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NCsoft earnings for 1q 2014... not looking pretty...

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  • asmkm22asmkm22 Member Posts: 1,788
    Originally posted by Tbau
    Originally posted by asmkm22
    Originally posted by Malabooga

    Its No.2 in the west. Beat all those huge IPs and 200-300 million $ MMOs. And all that as a B2P game. Somehow that isnt good enough? 

    And when China joins (well it joined but no numbers until next quarter ;P ) it will be quite a presence in MMOs, probably trumping even bastions like Lineage 1.

    Being in 2nd place doesn't mean a whole lot when you're still only 7% of what 1st place is doing.  That's why you can't just sit back and say, oh it's in 2nd place so that's pretty great!"

    Now I'm not not saying GW2 is bombing (or that NCSoft is).  Just that the numbers its posting aren't really anything special.  They are very average for an MMO.

    Then it means that EVERY MMO is doing bad and so things are looking fine for GW2 and so the OP is still wrong.

     

    The revenue still adds up to what would be 555k subs which is nothing short of amazing for a game with no sub option.

    Well, most MMO's are doing poorly.  It's why they all changed course to convert to cash shops and focus on PvP where the "content" doesn't have to be as frequent, and can get reused more often.  Not exactly sure what your point is here...

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  • BeelzebobbieBeelzebobbie Member UncommonPosts: 430

     

     

    Going strong?

    1. All pre mades have quit the game

    2. the quality is zone blob vs zone blob in WvW

    3. so the quality have been lowered everytime a guild leave the game peoples quit too because they like to follow their heroes.

    4. tons of pre maded guilds going to Wildstar, Camelot unchained, everquest next= other realm v realm lose peoples

    5. the 4th already happening peoples left will be PVE and gw2 is a very easy PVE game so peoples will quit it eventually while in other game such as WoW peoples play pve for many many years 5+....

    6. A game that is not even finished and show no future for WvW(realm v realm) do you actually think peoples will stay when Wildstar, Camelot, everquest will have better WvW(realm v realm)? the game is dead in 6 months.

     

     

    and you can't do a gw2 vs eve online because Eve online is focusing on QUALITY they don't care about numbers for them 30k good players are better than 200k BAD PLAYERS.

    they can continue be in business for another 10+ years while a game like gw2 with guilds leaving them servers going empty of WvW etc and they haft to pump things into the pve to continue survive.... fucked up :D

    1. people quit every game but all the good players has left? well guess you know every good player in GW2 then. Sure lots of good people have left and lots have stayed other good players are playing. I know a huge amount of really good players that have left wow will it be dead in 6 months because of it? don't think so.

    2. Wvw is doin great, you still have to que to get into it so don't think it's dying. The quality of wvw is nothing more then an opinion from you who don't play the game cause you didn't like it, so does it matter? No. I always thought the pvp was a huge dissapointment in wow cause there is no balance (atleast not when I played it) you could have a twink rouge stab a mage in the back one time and he was dead, wow thats fun pvp.

    3. If you need a hero to follow when you play an mmo then I feel sorry for you, the feeling should be that you are the hero. Good guilds leave every game new ones arrive.

    4. well good guilds will leave those games aswell.

    5. can't really compair wow pve with GW2 but if I have to then I never thought wow had any real tough content to offer after BC, every expansion after that has been played through in a month or two and then you have to wait for a year til the next expansion. People will continue to play wow because they have invested to much time to quit and the game is great so people will always play this game, don't see why GW2 is dying because wow is doin good. Sure it's easy to lvl in GW2 and do hearts and skill challenges, but there is hard content also. Three headed jungle wurm, easy? don't think so. Fractals aren't that easy either. There are jumping puzzels that are really hard aswell and other stuff.

    6. Well what I have played in wildstar I don't see there pvp as any good at all, don't even consider wildstar a threat to GW2 population since it's main core of the game will be for all the raiders so that makes wow a bigger target then GW2 population steeling wise that is. Everquest next will not even be released in 6 months so I don't see how they are gonna take players from GW2 when you can't even play the game, and how do you know that there pvp will be better? have you played it? don't think so, your just trolling away on things you don't really understand.

    well you are right about not comparing GW2 with EVE pvp. Eve is a game thats based in space and you don't really need a sword there like in GW2. But sure I also agree that pvp in EVE is superior in GW2 when it comes down to skills.

    But I enjoy doin jumping puzzels and I really can't do them on a space ship, I like playing a character and not a spaceship so it's a no for me there aswell. Eve is a sandbox game, GW2 is a themeparkish game so hard to compair pve content.

    Eve offers me nothing and I never liked the game, it doesn't mean that it's dying just because of it, it just means that I didn't like it just like you didn't like GW2. So troll away all you want I will bet you my life that the GW2 servers will be online in 6 months can you do the same that they are shut down?

  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,404
    SWTOR is 2nd not GW 2. Where can you show me that GW 2 is 2nd. Don't forget you have to minus the cost of the game and operating cost and SWTOR seems to come out ahead still.
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  • PemminPemmin Member UncommonPosts: 623
    interesting that aion and BnS showed increased sales from last quarter. really makes the case that ncsoft needs to find a publisher for BnS in the north american market.
  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    Originally posted by Sukiyaki

    Oh no! B2P games makes slightly less money over quarter! Proof the server are all dead, GW2 is struggling and megaserver are just for dead server. Irregardless of the fact the server could all be full even if sales dropped to zero and megaserver deal with zone population, not server population.

    But hey here we have the same candidates, the same selfproclaimed "objective factual truth seeker", pulling up exactly same conjecture and assumptions and trying to sell the same random estimates and "personal" made up "impressions of server population" and highly subjective (re)"interpretation" of some developer commentary as "facts" from 3 months ago, just like as if not exactly the same claims and proclamations had been argued, debated and debunked in an identical topic with the exact same unconvincible candidates before.

    Are we going to discuss the "now suddenly Chinese are real player" strawman too?

    Yes, it does get a bit boring after 2 years lol. Guess some people just have obssession with GW2 and i can picture many years from now (like old and wrinkeled person with a walking stick) finally triumphally proclaims:

    "i...told...you....sooo" (... is taking oxygen from teh tank)

    :)

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    Originally posted by caetftl
    Originally posted by Sukiyaki Oh no! B2P games makes slightly less money over quarter! Proof the server are all dead, GW2 is struggling and megaserver are just for dead server. Irregardless of the fact the server could all be full even if sales dropped to zero and megaserver deal with zone population, not server population. But hey here we have the same candidates, the same selfproclaimed "objective factual truth seeker", pulling up exactly same conjecture and assumptions and trying to sell the same random estimates and "personal" made up "impressions of server population" and highly subjective (re)"interpretation" of some developer commentary as "facts" from 3 months ago, just like as if not exactly the same claims and proclamations had been argued, debated and debunked in an identical topic with the exact same unconvincible candidates before. Are we going to discuss the "now suddenly Chinese are real player" strawman too?
    Maybe if you stopped talking in hyperbole people could take you a bit more seriously?

     

    GW2 had 10-20% decline in revenue every quarter after initial launch died down except 4q13, after that it had 25% decline again... that's not a good thing. 

    And you think people take you seriously? LOL

  • TbauTbau Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 401
    Originally posted by asmkm22
    Originally posted by Tbau
    Originally posted by asmkm22
    Originally posted by Malabooga

    Its No.2 in the west. Beat all those huge IPs and 200-300 million $ MMOs. And all that as a B2P game. Somehow that isnt good enough? 

    And when China joins (well it joined but no numbers until next quarter ;P ) it will be quite a presence in MMOs, probably trumping even bastions like Lineage 1.

    Being in 2nd place doesn't mean a whole lot when you're still only 7% of what 1st place is doing.  That's why you can't just sit back and say, oh it's in 2nd place so that's pretty great!"

    Now I'm not not saying GW2 is bombing (or that NCSoft is).  Just that the numbers its posting aren't really anything special.  They are very average for an MMO.

    Then it means that EVERY MMO is doing bad and so things are looking fine for GW2 and so the OP is still wrong.

     

    The revenue still adds up to what would be 555k subs which is nothing short of amazing for a game with no sub option.

    Well, most MMO's are doing poorly.  It's why they all changed course to convert to cash shops and focus on PvP where the "content" doesn't have to be as frequent, and can get reused more often.  Not exactly sure what your point is here...

    You are the one that is lacking a point. The point is, 24.5 million for a quarter is not low and having to compare it to WoW just proves the desperation in trying to make the game look bad.

     

    I mean seriously, GW2 is a horrible game and to have to try to create something out of nothing to make it look bad, makes people look bad.

  • caetftlcaetftl Member Posts: 358
    Originally posted by Tbau
    Originally posted by asmkm22
    Originally posted by Malabooga

    Its No.2 in the west. Beat all those huge IPs and 200-300 million $ MMOs. And all that as a B2P game. Somehow that isnt good enough? 

    And when China joins (well it joined but no numbers until next quarter ;P ) it will be quite a presence in MMOs, probably trumping even bastions like Lineage 1.

    Being in 2nd place doesn't mean a whole lot when you're still only 7% of what 1st place is doing.  That's why you can't just sit back and say, oh it's in 2nd place so that's pretty great!"

    Now I'm not not saying GW2 is bombing (or that NCSoft is).  Just that the numbers its posting aren't really anything special.  They are very average for an MMO.

    Then it means that EVERY MMO is doing bad and so things are looking fine for GW2 and so the OP is still wrong.

     

    The revenue still adds up to what would be 555k subs which is nothing short of amazing for a game with no sub option.

    I don't understand where you are getting that it is #2 in the west... there are many mmorpgs that have over 500k subscribers... also that revenue is comparing box sales + microtransactions to pure subs... sub-based mmos also have box sales to add in as well...

     

    Originally posted by Sukiyaki
    Originally posted by caetftl
    Originally posted by Sukiyaki

    Oh no! B2P games makes slightly less money over quarter! Proof the server are all dead, GW2 is struggling and megaserver are just for dead server. Irregardless of the fact the server could all be full even if sales dropped to zero and megaserver deal with zone population, not server population.

    But hey here we have the same candidates, the same selfproclaimed "objective factual truth seeker", pulling up exactly same conjecture and assumptions and trying to sell the same random estimates and "personal" made up "impressions of server population" and highly subjective (re)"interpretation" of some developer commentary as "facts" from 3 months ago, just like as if not exactly the same claims and proclamations had been argued, debated and debunked in an identical topic with the exact same unconvincible candidates before.

    Are we going to discuss the "now suddenly Chinese are real player" strawman too?

    Maybe if you stopped talking in hyperbole people could take you a bit more seriously?

     

    GW2 had 10-20% decline in revenue every quarter after initial launch died down except 4q13, after that it had 25% decline again... that's not a good thing. 

    Maybe if you stopped repeating the same "arguments" and "facts" over and over again as excuse you repeat the same hyperbolic and biased claims about GW2 a 100th time and didnt keep ignoring and at best denying the arguments made against and about them people would take you seriously.

    My facts are the ncsoft earnings reports... they clearly show you numbers that can not be disputed...  My claims aren't hyperbolic, they are based on fact.  Did I say gw2 is dead?  No... Did I say these declines in revenue do not look good for gw2?  Yes...  That isn't hyperbolic... it only seems hyperbolic to you because you are biased about gw2 and not looking at the facts. 

  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,404
    Give me a link proving GW 2 is making more money than SWTOR .
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  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    Originally posted by cheyane
    SWTOR is 2nd not GW 2. Where can you show me that GW 2 is 2nd. Don't forget you have to minus the cost of the game and operating cost and SWTOR seems to come out ahead still.

    Offcial numbers wanted.

    This "SWTOR is second" without ANY backing up (instead constant silence from EA) is getting old.

    Let me let you in on a little secret: EA boasts with successful games, they dont try to shrug them under the rug.

  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    Originally posted by cheyane
    Give me a link proving GW 2 is making more money than SWTOR .

    Give a link to OFFICIAL EA REPORT ON SWTOR. Anyone? Or stop posting nonsense.

  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,404
    You have nothing to back up what you say either so be quiet yourself and stop posting nonsense.
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  • TbauTbau Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 401
    Originally posted by caetftl
    Originally posted by Tbau
    Originally posted by asmkm22

    Being in 2nd place doesn't mean a whole lot when you're still only 7% of what 1st place is doing.  That's why you can't just sit back and say, oh it's in 2nd place so that's pretty great!"

    Now I'm not not saying GW2 is bombing (or that NCSoft is).  Just that the numbers its posting aren't really anything special.  They are very average for an MMO.

    Then it means that EVERY MMO is doing bad and so things are looking fine for GW2 and so the OP is still wrong.

     

    The revenue still adds up to what would be 555k subs which is nothing short of amazing for a game with no sub option.

    I don't understand where you are getting that it is #2 in the west...

    that would be because I didn't say that. mad mad desperation.

    The revenue amounts to the amount of subs I listed, plain and simple and its an amount most companies would jump at with a game with no subscription options.

  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,404
    Did you minus the box price. Remember SWTOR if f2p and has subs too. Subscriptions two from my own household hubby and I . GW 2 has no subs remember not arguing it is doing well just the number 2 assertion.
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  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    Originally posted by cheyane
    You have nothing to back up what you say either so be quiet yourself and stop posting nonsense.

    I have official NCSoft report. On GW2. jeebus. people. concentrate on the topic.

  • caetftlcaetftl Member Posts: 358
    Originally posted by Tbau
    Originally posted by caetftl
    Originally posted by Tbau
    Originally posted by asmkm22

    Being in 2nd place doesn't mean a whole lot when you're still only 7% of what 1st place is doing.  That's why you can't just sit back and say, oh it's in 2nd place so that's pretty great!"

    Now I'm not not saying GW2 is bombing (or that NCSoft is).  Just that the numbers its posting aren't really anything special.  They are very average for an MMO.

    Then it means that EVERY MMO is doing bad and so things are looking fine for GW2 and so the OP is still wrong.

     

    The revenue still adds up to what would be 555k subs which is nothing short of amazing for a game with no sub option.

    I don't understand where you are getting that it is #2 in the west...

    that would be because I didn't say that. mad mad desperation.

    The revenue amounts to the amount of subs I listed, plain and simple and its an amount most companies would jump at with a game with no subscription options.

    Which companies are those?  That's only revenue we are talking about, not even profit... There are a ton of nonsub games on the net making a lot more than gw2 is...

  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,404
    That report in no way shows you subscriber numbers because GW 2 is B2P and did you forget to remove the cost of buying the box.
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    Originally posted by cheyane
    You have nothing to back up what you say either so be quiet yourself and stop posting nonsense.

    So he is posting nonsense and you're not? Hmm ookey whatever you say bro...

  • PemminPemmin Member UncommonPosts: 623
    Originally posted by Tbau
    Originally posted by caetftl
    Originally posted by Tbau
    Originally posted by asmkm22

    Being in 2nd place doesn't mean a whole lot when you're still only 7% of what 1st place is doing.  That's why you can't just sit back and say, oh it's in 2nd place so that's pretty great!"

    Now I'm not not saying GW2 is bombing (or that NCSoft is).  Just that the numbers its posting aren't really anything special.  They are very average for an MMO.

    Then it means that EVERY MMO is doing bad and so things are looking fine for GW2 and so the OP is still wrong.

     

    The revenue still adds up to what would be 555k subs which is nothing short of amazing for a game with no sub option.

    I don't understand where you are getting that it is #2 in the west...

    that would be because I didn't say that. mad mad desperation.

    The revenue amounts to the amount of subs I listed, plain and simple and its an amount most companies would jump at with a game with no subscription options.

    yeah puts it at what #3 overall for mmo micro-transactions once you take out box price. and like 10-15 range across all genres. its doing pretty well for its age

  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,404
    Yes exactly number 3 after SWTOR.
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  • DamonVileDamonVile Member UncommonPosts: 4,818
    Originally posted by Malabooga
    Originally posted by cheyane
    SWTOR is 2nd not GW 2. Where can you show me that GW 2 is 2nd. Don't forget you have to minus the cost of the game and operating cost and SWTOR seems to come out ahead still.

    Offcial numbers wanted.

    This "SWTOR is second" without ANY backing up (instead constant silence from EA) is getting old.

    Let me let you in on a little secret: EA boasts with successful games, they dont try to shrug them under the rug.

    they're a public company. Their reports have been posted here a billion times.  You and others never having taken the time to look doesn't mean they didn't make them available. 

  • TbauTbau Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 401
    Originally posted by caetftl
    Originally posted by Tbau

    that would be because I didn't say that. mad mad desperation.

    The revenue amounts to the amount of subs I listed, plain and simple and its an amount most companies would jump at with a game with no subscription options.

    Which companies are those?  That's only revenue we are talking about, not even profit... There are a ton of nonsub games on the net making a lot more than gw2 is...

    mad mad desperation......

    1000000000000000000000000000 companies can be making more money, it doesn't mean a thing. The number is HIGH.

    Profit doesn't matter, the revenue is high and thus the profit will be high.

  • caetftlcaetftl Member Posts: 358
    Originally posted by Pemmin
    Originally posted by Tbau
    Originally posted by caetftl
    Originally posted by Tbau
    Originally posted by asmkm22

    Being in 2nd place doesn't mean a whole lot when you're still only 7% of what 1st place is doing.  That's why you can't just sit back and say, oh it's in 2nd place so that's pretty great!"

    Now I'm not not saying GW2 is bombing (or that NCSoft is).  Just that the numbers its posting aren't really anything special.  They are very average for an MMO.

    Then it means that EVERY MMO is doing bad and so things are looking fine for GW2 and so the OP is still wrong.

     

    The revenue still adds up to what would be 555k subs which is nothing short of amazing for a game with no sub option.

    I don't understand where you are getting that it is #2 in the west...

    that would be because I didn't say that. mad mad desperation.

    The revenue amounts to the amount of subs I listed, plain and simple and its an amount most companies would jump at with a game with no subscription options.

    yeah puts it at what #3 overall for mmo micro-transactions once you take out box price. and like 10-15 range across all genres. its doing pretty well for its age

    WoW, SWTOR, EVE.

     

    Also curious about what kinda numbers ESO has right now... probably higher than 555k. 

     

    Originally posted by Tbau
    Originally posted by caetftl
    Originally posted by Tbau

    that would be because I didn't say that. mad mad desperation.

    The revenue amounts to the amount of subs I listed, plain and simple and its an amount most companies would jump at with a game with no subscription options.

    Which companies are those?  That's only revenue we are talking about, not even profit... There are a ton of nonsub games on the net making a lot more than gw2 is...

    mad mad desperation......

    1000000000000000000000000000 companies can be making more money, it doesn't mean a thing. The number is HIGH.

    Profit doesn't matter, the revenue is high and thus the profit will be high.


    I think you just made it plainly evident how well you understand business.... You might have some insane revenue... but if your operating cost is also high your profit may not be high. 

  • PemminPemmin Member UncommonPosts: 623
    Originally posted by Sukiyaki

    Give me a credible link about SWTOR making even as much money a GW2.  

    Give me some credible link about the many Western MMORPGs making as much money than GW2.

    Give me some credible link about the many Western MMORPGs with actually over or close to 500k subs. Even  500k subs worth is ok.

    I guess I can only expect excuse why you can't provide me any while eager to proclaim and use these things in "arguments" like a fact.

    PS: 4th rate 3rd party private PR company making guesses are not "credible" sources.

     

    someone already posted the superdata information. its data collected from banks and credit card companies, thus ball park and credible

  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    Originally posted by cheyane
    That report in no way shows you subscriber numbers because GW 2 is B2P and did you forget to remove the cost of buying the box.

    Why the hell would you want to compare subscribers in a game with 0 subscribers?

    The ONLY measurment you can do is how much money it makes. Because in the end its only thing that matters, it means it will not fire 2/3 of their staff, remove 9/10 of the servers and will continue as planned cutting No.1. feature from development and will be able to fix problems, unlike some games *hint hint*

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