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  • OriousOrious Member UncommonPosts: 548
    Originally posted by FelixMajor

    Yeah, props for actually giving it a chance.  I played about 25 mins of beta with my friend who is a hard core ESO fan - we ended up uninstalling it after he gouged his eyes out with a rusty spoon.  It's a pretty terrible game - for the reasons OP had posted.

     

    ESO MMO was a bad idea, all people wanted was coop ESO.

    It's basically an MMO with ESO lore. You even have Shalidor/Sheogorath,  M'aig the Liar in it, which is pretty hilarious. If you only played for 25 minutes then I don't really think you played the game at all or even had time to experience ANYTHING the OP mentioned.

    A fan of ESO Lore will LOVE it. A fan of ESO single-player gameplay will not...neither had anything to do with the things the OP mentioned.

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  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441
    Originally posted by FelixMajor

    Yeah, props for actually giving it a chance.  I played about 25 mins of beta with my friend who is a hard core ESO fan - we ended up uninstalling it after he gouged his eyes out with a rusty spoon.  It's a pretty terrible game - for the reasons OP had posted.

    ESO MMO was a bad idea, all people wanted was coop ESO.

    I dunno, if it was more sandboxy and not so phased with dungeons closer in size to Daggerfall it might have been a great idea.

    What was a bad idea was making Firor the boss, it was way more then he could handle. Of course he might have learned a lot by now and be better next time but that doesn't help us here.

  • FlawSGIFlawSGI Member UncommonPosts: 1,379
    Originally posted by SavageHorizon
    Originally posted by FlawSGI                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       I agree with you that ESO isn't the type of game that should be rushed through. What I don't understand is how lord.bachus  came to the conclusion that he was a zergling and attacked him on that. I didn't see complaints about the end game (or lack there of actually) or the VR grind. Also a majority of his fixes were just work arounds like the OP stated and it is reasonable to dislike the game on those. Sure there are mods but that's another damned if you do, damned if you don't discussion. To answer his response, I am a someone with tons of patience and love good content. Problem is ESO did not have enough of this "good" content to warrant dealing with its many shortcomings.

    Lord bachus is an over hyper of the game he done the same with swtor and then GW2, he is what we called a journey mmo'er. These people are what's wrong with the mmo world today, they are a scourge and allow devs to keep making crap mmo's.

    They hype a game and then move on to the next new shiny.

     

    I agree that lord.postcount is guilty of this and it is no secret. I just thought it was odd that he called the OP out on something that had no substance or merit. Calling him a "zergling" seemed odd since the guy wasn't complaining about running out of stuff to do or rushing to end game. It was an ad hominem and presumptuous. I have gotten to the point that I don't respond to the many pointless threads started by him but felt that I had to point out he drew a conclusion pulled out of his rear. I don't agree with the OP on all of his gripes but I can understand why it is frustrating and do not feel the need to label him a hater because of it. 

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  • Shayyd80Shayyd80 Member Posts: 110
    I agree with the OP. I bought the game on a whim even after playing beta because i'm wierd like that. I can't stand ESO. It's no fun to me. I can't wait for Wildstar however!
  • SirBalinSirBalin Member UncommonPosts: 1,300
    Originally posted by delete5230

    I tried desperately to like Elders Scrolls Online. I tried to re-convince my friends to play that waited for this mmo, only to find it buggy during bata.  I talked about it in a good way at work. I joined that good Guild with voice chat.....Well I just can't anymore, I tricked myself long enough.

     

    - Bugs, abilities delays, dodging does not execute all the time. Chain quest that you cant complete unless you re-log, some you have to restart all over. Some, that if you die, the dialog will not let you retry and grayed out.

    - Only 5 abilities that gets boring after awhile. Unable to execute any new tactical strategies unless you swap out abilities. WHY ONLY 5 ?

    - No matter how cool class abilities sound, dual weld abilities are way stronger.....No real reason to use anything else besides Dual Weld and Bow.

    - Mega server blows period.  Big deal the world is full of life.  At times too full.  The mega server is the root cause of most of the bugs......See that guy struggling over their ?.....Why help, why make friends with him ?....Not even any reason to say "thanks".

    - Mounts.  Besides PvP you don't need them.

    - Zones are big, that's nice.  But the reason I like big zones is because I would like to get to know players in them, but the mega server destroys that.

    - Exploring was nice, and I say WAS.  By the time you hit around level 25 you know what too expect.

    - So much copy and past. Building interiors, private and public dungeons.  Many things are exactly the same.

    - Dungeons are short, way too short.

    - LFG tool.....strangers !

    - World Bosses, mindless zerg fest.  At times it's even impossible to get a shot in.

    - Ever notice that random mobs are ridicules easy, yet you come across one that will one shot you and impossible to kill, what's with that ?....You can't use tactics because you never know when.

    - Other than PvP you don't need a Guild.

    - Crafting is for the most part worthless, just hang out in a public dungeon. Equipment problem solved !

    - Inventory and bank is listed, no arranging nothing.

    - I cant stand the UI, some like no clutter, but they turn around and download mods.... what's with that crap? Abilities disappear out of combat. I can't stand that ( this could be me, but I hate it ).

    -Forever load screens.

    - Sloooow voice acting. I started clicking through it. But quest are nice. Solo but nice. And you never know if the end boss of a quest chain will one shot you. No preparing, because it's random. Could be easy could be hard, you never know :)

     

     

    I never had this in Vanilla WoW, EQ2, LOTRO, D&D Online, even Vanguard was much better than this ! 

    Most of what you said is just fact...however you are wrong about a few things.  One, you don't only have 5 skills...you can quick slot your same weapon (just need two of the same weapons) then when you switch weapons you have 5 more skills...so you actually have 10, which is good imo.  

     

    Second, duel wield is FAR from the best...it's not even close, so don't think that either.  Matter of fact some are calling the one hander with shield an exploit as you can shield bash people to death, or the resto staff build with any class op as you can leech hp and mana back and you can make every class mana built.  Duel wield is actually shit...lol.  Past that, yea...game is blah...and the amount of bugs, it's crazy...

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  • rodingorodingo Member RarePosts: 2,870
    Originally posted by gwei1984
    Originally posted by rodingo

    For the most part I agree with this.  However, I stand by my question of  "where are people demanding easier games?".  I haven't seen it here, nor have I seen it on other MMO official forums.  Since SWG's launch I was on their boards religiously before I heard of MMORPG.com and there was no one demanding easier gameplay either.  However, the NGE still happened and blind sided us players.   Then you saw people demanding to put the game back the way it was and not the easy MIckey Mouse crap they turned it into.  Same with Vanilla WoW.  I haunted their boards before MMORPG.com and still the discussions there where on class builds and raid strats.  Nothing about making the game easier.  Heck, back in 2005 people on those boards were already starting to complain how easy WoW was and they wanted their EQ back.

    Overall what I'm saying is that neither here at MMORPG.com or any other forum site I have visited, both in third-party and official, I have never seen players demand their games to be quick and easy.  It's companies looking to expand their market, nothing more.  Then to blame the console generation is even more laughable considering the consoles have been around before a lot of the posters here were even born.  My first console was an Atari 2600 in 1981.  Am I a console generation player then?

    Well, at every official board from any MMO I played in the last years, you have people who loudly demand easier games.

    ESO, TSW, SWTOR, Aion, Rift, even DAOC....there have been always dozens of forum posts about far too high difficulty of dungeons, leveling, end-game, crafting...etc

    The influx of people demanding easier games is just enormously high, unfortunately.

    And Wildstar will be the next stop of those whiners...

    Well I won't be like some the ESO fans here who think that bugs don't exists if they don't experience them.  So if you have seen these types of posts, then you have seen these types of posts.  I'm glad I haven't because I probably would have been banned from those forums for responding to people demanding to make games easier.  So even though I don't see this happening, apparently others do.  Like I said, glad I don't actually see those posts. 

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  • HulluckHulluck Member UncommonPosts: 839
    Originally posted by rodingo
    Originally posted by Hulluck
    Originally posted by rodingo
    Originally posted by TangentPoint
    Originally posted by Loke666

    I don't get why people are in such hurry all the time...

    Oh, I do... Because I've seen people argue it as "how MMOs are supposed to be played" for about a decade now. It goes like this:

    MMOs used to put more emphasis on the "journey" to level cap. To the point that in a number of earlier titles, level cap and end game were vague, far-off concepts. You logged into a world to do whatever the hell you felt like doing for that session, and it was fun to simply be in that world, among others, doing fun stuff together.

    Then the console-weened, single-player "me me me" generation invaded the genre and started demanding faster, easier, more rewarding progression, because they couldn't grasp the concept that MMOs aren't about "beating the game". 

    For one thing consoles have been around since the 70's which is a little bit longer than MMO's.  So to say the console generation "invaded" the MMO genre is kind of foolish.  Second out of the 7-8 years I have been visiting MMORPG.com, I have yet to see threads of people demanding "faster, easier, and more rewarding progression" in their games.  So just where are all these people doing their demanding at?  The only threads that are commonly recurring here for the past 8 years are basically the "Solo versus Group" debates which has nothing to do with demanding faster and easier, "Sandbox versus Themepark" which again has nothing to do with wanting anything faster and easier, and the all to common "my game is good and yours isn't" type of threads.  Yes, companies are trying to get more people to play their games becuase the more people play, the more money they make.  It's called smart business.  Can't blame the players for the companies being smart.

    Using MMORPG.com as a reference to the mood of the average mmo player is your mistake. The general consensus of this site is as useless as tits on a boar hog. Look at the replies in this very thread where people are personally attacking developers who they know fuck all about most likely. The tone is alarming and it's simply over a game that they don't like. It's not just this game either. It happens way to often in all the sub forums on this site and even the news articles bait this sort of attitude out of people (sometimes).

    If the community  opinion on this site was accurate WoW would have closed up shop years ago.  SWTOR would have closed up shop last year instead of making $100 mill from it's cash shop alone. Which put them in the top 10 ranking for money earned through cash shops. Eve Online would be king. Theme park mmo's would be a thing of the past. 

    Vanilla WoW  the community was heavily divided. Basically the ease of access (all content should be available to everyone) vs. the more traditional. Not taking sides. It was and anyone who says other wise is in denial. The forums and sub forums on the official boards were flooded with unrest. Server communities were split.  I actually got attacked by people that I had leveled up and built  in game friendships with.  The only thing I did was join a newly formed raiding guild. That's it. It was so absurd to me.  We know which side won because of how WoW changed.

    I personally don't like mmo's that have a lobby game feel to them. I get why most people do though. Time is precious. I question sometimes if it might simply be that newer mmo players never experienced mmo's with strong server communities and rivalries ect.  With the aspects that most seem to hate anymore because the down sides. Glass half empty or a glass half full situation.

    I don't think most people on this site know what they want regardless of what they say. There's something out there for everyone for the most part at this point yet here they are bitching and moaning saying there's nothing.

    For the most part I agree with this.  However, I stand by my question of  "where are people demanding easier games?".  I haven't seen it here, nor have I seen it on other MMO official forums.  Since SWG's launch I was on their boards religiously before I heard of MMORPG.com and there was no one demanding easier gameplay either.  However, the NGE still happened and blind sided us players.   Then you saw people demanding to put the game back the way it was and not the easy MIckey Mouse crap they turned it into.  Same with Vanilla WoW.  I haunted their boards before MMORPG.com and still the discussions there where on class builds and raid strats.  Nothing about making the game easier.  Heck, back in 2005 people on those boards were already starting to complain how easy WoW was and they wanted their EQ back.

    Overall what I'm saying is that neither here at MMORPG.com or any other forum site I have visited, both in third-party and official, I have never seen players demand their games to be quick and easy.  It's companies looking to expand their market, nothing more.  Then to blame the console generation is even more laughable considering the consoles have been around before a lot of the posters here were even born.  My first console was an Atari 2600 in 1981.  Am I a console generation player then?

    Of course people don't come flat out and say it. If you are looking for those exact words you will be looking a long time. Takes a little reading between the lines to see it. I don't know that anyone one thing could be blamed and I personally would not have stated console gamers and didn't.. Wrong person as far as that goes. My opinion is that it's more like people with limited amounts of time for entertainment which I think is accurate.   Who honestly has time to sit on their asses 8 hours a day to play a game? Not a lot of people. 

    I use WoW because it became the standard.  SWG wasn't (no offense meant.) To say communities have no pull is crazy. They set the tone, trends whatever and can even scare developers or publishers into submission. It's been done often enough. I think communities the actual game communities not sites like this, carry more weight than some give credit.

  • SuperDonkSuperDonk Member UncommonPosts: 759
    Originally posted by Jockan

    The thing that gets me with mmos is that when they have betas you don't want to play too much because sometimes it will wipe and it will also make launch less appealing going through the stuff you did in beta over again.

    Then if you don't play enough in beta you don't really know what the game is like so you buy it off a good first impression only to find out that the game really is not that fun when you get deeper into the game. If you had only played more during beta you would have seen what the game really was. So what do you do?

     

    I have the same problem. I don't wan to spoil the fun of launch and I don't want to get burnt out playing a toon that will be wiped. So I play for a few levels, and if everything seems to work I decide to buy or not.

     

    This has backed fired on me twice with Sim City and ESO. I'm hoping it will not be the same with Wildstar.

  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,429
    Originally posted by CrazKanuk
    Originally posted by delete5230
    Originally posted by Scot
    Originally posted by delete5230

    Ok ok okkk...........I get it, many of you are mad. 

    With looking over my original post I could see why. It's obvious I came on a little strong. I'm not here to take back anything in my post. However as I played the last few days, all these little eirks were accumulating and festering from day one, even bata. 

    Now you have to admit this game is not for everyone. ALL my friends at work that really wonted this game to be a success were disappointed.  It even shows here on mmorpg.com especially around end of bata and early release. Many people that were disappointed at the approach Developers took in many aspects.....Most of the haters are long gone. I chose to stay and give it a fair chance....Putting aside all my eirks, several of witch were many of the disappointed players eirks, I did enjoy the game anyway.  I Only played to level 37 and haven't really experienced PvP.....This is true, I'm not hiding anything. Being overworked and a little RL caused me to not Bulldog to end game, I played when I could.

     

    Of my list, the only real heavy game breakers would be :

     

    - The Mega server, I really hate this as an individual and it's my opinion. I knew about the mega server before bata so it shouldn't have been a big surprise. Now I would like to ask you something, many of you are hardcore mmo players. You should honestly admit that you seldom pass up on any mmo unless its extremely not for you, right ?

    The mega server really puts a strain on community. I understand that their are many walk around to gather a community with ESO and all other non social mmo.  But there just that, Walk around !!!.....I guess I'm just old school.  I like name plates, I like to see players everyday. I like playing with someone a few times, finding that person that you run into often and click with, and then add him as a friend.  He may have the same friends as I have....Now this is a real community !....THIS SHOULD NOT BE OLD SCHOOL, developers make it old school by choosing to not make a game naturally social.  So now its old school because it's been a long time since things were right !

    Other factors caused my frustration, like I say it was a build up.

    FF14 was a contributor, with it's 527 part personal quest line, and Dynamic event system.....Everyone was too busy doing them. No community unless you did the walk around thing like you have to do in Elders Scrolls Online.  What a let down from FF11. It's like Square Enix sold their sole.

     

    So there you have it, The mega server, all else were eirks that I could have lived with, but with the mega server I COULD NEVER CALL THIS MY LONG STANDING MMO THAT WILL LAST FOR 5 YEARS, It's just another game.

    Ok delete5230, can you tell us the name of the MMO you are currently playing that you have been in for the last five years?

    I'll have to see how ArchAge pans out. I don't like the F2P option, so I'll have to see.....This could be a 5 year game.

    Vanilla WoW, I have a 44 Warlock their and I could re-make a healthy friends list because the game is very community based. I'm holding off on making a Paladin and a hunter, for replay value, since its been years since I played them classes :)

    I don't think you got the point. What ONE game have you been playing for the past 5 years? It's a clever way to show how you don't stick with any game long enough to really appreciate it. You know, kinda like how you're less than 50% of the way through the WoW content but you're playing some other game........

    We have had posters on here who are too much like contest locusts to stick to anything for 5 years. But I was not trying to say that to delete5230. I looked at his post and thought "old gamer who thinks it can just be the same as before". Now I am a big old school fan, but MMOs and the player base have changed, I am not sure any MMO is now going to come out which will be your one and only MMO for 5 years.

    Can any of us here say they are on a MMO they have played as their one and only for the last five years? Those days have gone and TESO is as good as it gets. You mentioned AA, that in my opinion will be better and worse than TESO, there is not a MMO paradise out there for any of us. Certainly not one that will last 5 years.

    We don't get a MMO as good as TESO coming along every year, so I am grabbing it by the horns and enjoying every minute of it. Will they even be releasing MMOs like TESO and AA in five years time? I am not sure triple 'A' will even exist then in a form we would recognise today. Triple 'A' MOBA's maybe but I would not put a bet on MMO's. So its a case of playing one of the best MMOs out there while we still have something that can be called a MMO.

    'Waiting for the one' is rather romantic but does not get you anywhere. :)

  • BartDaCatBartDaCat Member UncommonPosts: 813
    Originally posted by Kyleran


    I joined ESO with the hope it would be a DAOC successor, but it really resembles it only in general, when you get down to the details, it is a vastly different game.

    Pretty much the same thing here, especially after they continued to showcase Mark Firor hyping up the three-faction system.  I felt like somewhere along the way, they lost sight of what they were trying to do.  Account = Expired.

  • AzmodeusAzmodeus Member UncommonPosts: 268
    Originally posted by Scot
    Originally posted by CrazKanuk
    Originally posted by delete5230
    Originally posted by Scot
    Originally posted by delete5230

    Ok ok okkk...........I get it, many of you are mad. 

    With looking over my original post I could see why. It's obvious I came on a little strong. I'm not here to take back anything in my post. However as I played the last few days, all these little eirks were accumulating and festering from day one, even bata. 

    Now you have to admit this game is not for everyone. ALL my friends at work that really wonted this game to be a success were disappointed.  It even shows here on mmorpg.com especially around end of bata and early release. Many people that were disappointed at the approach Developers took in many aspects.....Most of the haters are long gone. I chose to stay and give it a fair chance....Putting aside all my eirks, several of witch were many of the disappointed players eirks, I did enjoy the game anyway.  I Only played to level 37 and haven't really experienced PvP.....This is true, I'm not hiding anything. Being overworked and a little RL caused me to not Bulldog to end game, I played when I could.

     

    Of my list, the only real heavy game breakers would be :

     

    - The Mega server, I really hate this as an individual and it's my opinion. I knew about the mega server before bata so it shouldn't have been a big surprise. Now I would like to ask you something, many of you are hardcore mmo players. You should honestly admit that you seldom pass up on any mmo unless its extremely not for you, right ?

    The mega server really puts a strain on community. I understand that their are many walk around to gather a community with ESO and all other non social mmo.  But there just that, Walk around !!!.....I guess I'm just old school.  I like name plates, I like to see players everyday. I like playing with someone a few times, finding that person that you run into often and click with, and then add him as a friend.  He may have the same friends as I have....Now this is a real community !....THIS SHOULD NOT BE OLD SCHOOL, developers make it old school by choosing to not make a game naturally social.  So now its old school because it's been a long time since things were right !

    Other factors caused my frustration, like I say it was a build up.

    FF14 was a contributor, with it's 527 part personal quest line, and Dynamic event system.....Everyone was too busy doing them. No community unless you did the walk around thing like you have to do in Elders Scrolls Online.  What a let down from FF11. It's like Square Enix sold their sole.

     

    So there you have it, The mega server, all else were eirks that I could have lived with, but with the mega server I COULD NEVER CALL THIS MY LONG STANDING MMO THAT WILL LAST FOR 5 YEARS, It's just another game.

    Ok delete5230, can you tell us the name of the MMO you are currently playing that you have been in for the last five years?

    I'll have to see how ArchAge pans out. I don't like the F2P option, so I'll have to see.....This could be a 5 year game.

    Vanilla WoW, I have a 44 Warlock their and I could re-make a healthy friends list because the game is very community based. I'm holding off on making a Paladin and a hunter, for replay value, since its been years since I played them classes :)

    I don't think you got the point. What ONE game have you been playing for the past 5 years? It's a clever way to show how you don't stick with any game long enough to really appreciate it. You know, kinda like how you're less than 50% of the way through the WoW content but you're playing some other game........

    We have had posters on here who are too much like contest locusts to stick to anything for 5 years. But I was not trying to say that to delete5230. I looked at his post and thought "old gamer who thinks it can just be the same as before". Now I am a big old school fan, but MMOs and the player base have changed, I am not sure any MMO is now going to come out which will be your one and only MMO for 5 years.

    Can any of us here say they are on a MMO they have played as their one and only for the last five years? Those days have gone and TESO is as good as it gets. You mentioned AA, that in my opinion will be better and worse than TESO, there is not a MMO paradise out there for any of us. Certainly not one that will last 5 years.

    We don't get a MMO as good as TESO coming along every year, so I am grabbing it by the horns and enjoying every minute of it. Will they even be releasing MMOs like TESO and AA in five years time? I am not sure triple 'A' will even exist then in a form we would recognise today. Triple 'A' MOBA's maybe but I would not put a bet on MMO's. So its a case of playing one of the best MMOs out there while we still have something that can be called a MMO.

    'Waiting for the one' is rather romantic but does not get you anywhere. :)

    Good post Scot.  I wish this forum had more people like you posting. 

      OMG I am Ancient!
  • RoguewizRoguewiz Member UncommonPosts: 711

    All very good and legitimate reasons OP, but why bother taking the time to post why you quit?  Just unsubscribe and uninstall.  It is what I did.

    I'm in limbo right now for a game, and I'm not entire sold on Wildstar just yet. (albeit, I had slight more fun in Wildstar than ESO, but not by much.)

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  • quixadhalquixadhal Member UncommonPosts: 215

    The thing that's sad is how they implemented their "mega-server".  People don't want a bunch of servers that randomly glue people together into the same zone instances.  People want a SINGLE server to handle account and character data, instancing zones as needed to handle the density of people in each area.  Why is that so hard?

     

    EVE-Online does this.  Guild Wars 2 does this.  EQ2 could have done this 10 years ago (I know one of the former devs... he said the only reason they don't merge things to one server per ruleset is the stigma of OMG merges means game is dying).

     

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