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First World problem
Too many people splashing out $150 on a game they don't look into first, that is in ALPHA and not released in NA etc. yet. then whining its not how they want it to be, as though they have been ripped off. In fact there are people asking for a refund (after weeks of enjoying themselves of course)
Look into it first folks.
It's a PVP game, PUBLISHED by Trion, not coded by them, so they are in the main at the beck and call of the Korean developers.
There is absolutely clearly going to be a cash shop.
It's a cracking game, if you don't mind pvp, being ganked, having your ship destroyed, losing something you spent all day on etc etc.
So buyer beware.
Hopefully see you in game (then stealth and kill you)
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Its very surprising for me to see people who still havent understood that the risk of losing a thing is what make that thing valuable...
But, but, but he attacked me when I was low life!
Yes, HE DID, why you cant do the same to him?
Uf that will take me a lot of time...
HERE IS YOUR QUEST!
It's not an alpha.
Think you missed the mark. It is not the people paying for the alpha. It is a company asking people to pay for alphas on a free to play game that is a problem. This game is already released overseas, there is no reason they should need a major cash flow to release it in the US. If this had been a crowd funded game maybe it would be acceptable but for a major publisher to asked for an entire days pay to test a game is a little absurd.
I do agree though that the idiots that were willing to shell out the 150 are not entitled to get their money back. Hopefully they will learn from this but we all know the next big shiny will draw them in too.
Why does everyone keep calling it a PVP game?
Planetside 2 is a pvp game.
Archeage has both PVE and PVP content integrated.
I hate that phrase, 'first world problem'. I live in the first world, what problems am I supposed to have? And why is everyone who condescends to say it on a computer game site or in a game itself? What the hell problems are they worrying about other than the game they are playing?
It is the height of hypocrisy and condescension and just plain bloody annoying to utter that phrase when you are worrying about the same trivial shit as everyone else.
As an owner of few legendary weapons in Guild Wars 2, I disagree
Well, there are a few reasons for this...
1. Not reading about ArcheAge or participating in some decent pre-beta discussions and going off of what they THINK the game is going to be like.
2. They want to watch the world burn and decide to troll the people that know what the game is like.
3. They want to encourage a specific kind of community exclusiveness by scaring off potential customers who don't agree with them... because this has worked so well before...
My friend tried it and after a couple of days of PvE all you see is higher level characters camping low level characters and that is player versus player. My friend likes pvp I don't but even him won't play it.
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If your friend doesn't enjoy that content your friend should stay away from it.
I don't enjoy that stuff myself and have never participated in being camped by high level people on my way to max level.
The fact that it occurs still has no bearing on whether it is a "PVP game" or a "PVE game" by any sane definition.
1. peoples with money but no brain(probably stole mother credit card again...) spend 150 without actually reading about the game is just stupid and they got no right at all to come and whine after they see the game is so totally not their style even if it's pvp.
there is pve and pvp and so on Realm v realm style......
when it's pve it's the classic kill a monster gain some stuffs no purpose what so ever most p12's play it because they can get their shiny armour then they can walk into the game realm walk around and say hey I got the biggest strongest armor im the best and I just spend a 10000 hours to get it done....
then there is pvp there is several type of pvp when you say there is pve/pvp in the game some say oooh its pvp so it must be good. peoples need to learn how actually check the game through before try it because there is so many kind of pvp styles these days.
Trion, the NA distributer says it a pvp game. But what made this semi-sandbox so popular, was you didn't have just pvp, you could do other stuff like farm, hunt for sunken treasure, fight the Kraken...etc. etc.
No one was forced to PvP ....until now. With the patch 1.2 now on alpha, you are forced to cross the sea to enemy's territory with a tradepack for a reagent for even low level crafting. This makes you prime target for the gank squads, as there is only one spot to get the item. Not to mention, they can attack one person in a group, and group cant fight back with the person singled out. Then they kill him, move on to next, until your entire squad is killed, without being able to help each other.
They are also pretty much trying to force you to use the cash shop, even if you are a patron (subscription) with the severe use of "Labor Points" for everything you do. People will either buy labor pots from CS, or log out now.
And about that part about refunds. Anyone who uses a credit card can do a charge back. I don't know of any CC that has refused a refund and charge back to the seller.
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There aren't actually any crafting mats that you must cross the ocean to obtain that I know of. Could you be more specific?
you can buy every mat needed to make all armer or weapon besides the new ones added but you can have someone make it for you and gilda stars you can get 4 to 5 a day from dailys
This is total BS.
What reagent is that you're talking about? I looked through my recipes for leatherworking, all the way up to max level, and I don't see any bound ingredients. If you're talking about Gilda dust, then that's easily obtainable from PvE dailies, so no problem there.
And labor points... what are you talking about? If you're a patron, there's more than enough labor given to you daily to do what you need to do. Play Alpha, I am farming, fishing, crafting all the time and I never run out. I don't know what you're talking about - sounds to me like you haven't even played the game.
Imho the 1.2 patch was a huge improvement. Maybe it's a bit of a bother that you can't do safe trade routes any longer, but honestly, it was a broken design that people could do this in the first place. People too quickly were maxed out on everything they could buy in the game. Which was the reason the Korean developers changed the design (not Trion).
it's the carebear syndrom, i have seen that kind of stuff every day on the official forums. it's because of the that zenimax released that dreadful 1.0 patch that nearly destroyed the game.
it's simple, those guys want to reap all the benefits, be godlike in the game, and still kill everyone and never die or lose anything.
the main problem is the cheer amount of themepark mmorpgs compared to sandboxes. they are too accustomed to have everything server as soon as they clap their hands. sandboxes on the other hands are high risk high reward type of games, and archeage is not even that punishing when you fail.
also archeage is a PVP game, a PVP game, read it, stop expecting pve content in a sandbox! there is close no NO pve in archeage
I don't get that either...more so in a post calling people out for not "looking into the game first" This game has been out a year. The "alpha" part is for the localization not the actual game mechanics. It's not like you're going to log into a featureless buggy nightmare with months of patching ahead.
Hmmm this is ALSO a strange comment. There is a fuckton of PvE in Archeage, so don't spread misinformation.
You just need to be prepared for the fact that you WILL run into PvP in Archeage and that's a fact. That's not to say that there isn't a huge amount of PvE to be done, and much of the game you can play "safely" without ever running into PvP. You can time your entry into war zones so that you're only there during peace time. You can spread your quests out basically until you hit max level (like I did the first time around). You can be a farmer and run trade runes in safe zones for gold. You can spend a ton of your time crafting and your crafts will be the best gear in the game. You can run PvE dungeons and the one (so far) max level PvE raid.
Lots to do in the PvE game. But again, as other have said, you'll still eventually run into gankers somewhere during your time in the world.
now now, let's not say bullshit indeed. of course you can do some pve, bash mobs, do some instances, afk spamming skills near world bosses, but what i wanted to say is that that kind of pve will never satisfy a pve player. PVE players come to a game to enjoy the complexity of a storylane, the fun and strategic dungeons which require some though and organisation before going in to the fight, the big world boss which leaves no margin for errors, that is pve, bashing a bunch of brainless mobs inside an instance is not what i call a dungeon, it is just chashing, you could as well stay outside and bash.
i play since release on korea, and what you can see in videos can sometimes be deceiving! for exemple when you see the baots ganging on the kraken, they do nearly ZERO damage, all the damage comes form players spamming their skills.
first world problem = your entertainment not being adequate
rest of the world problem = your next meal
I guess every experience is different. I've been playing since April and I haven't been ganked at all. Actually most of the level 50s I have run into have been helpful or completely ignored me.
I'm a hardcore PvE'er. Its what brought me to the genre (A never-ending quest). Everything you mention as PvE content is great for only several play throughs. After which the content becomes boring and known. What drew me to AA even though I suck at PvP was the type of MMO experience I am looking for.
Playing many of the current/existing PvE games they typically have a great levelling system/experience but then trail off by mid game or end game. And it doesn't change. The presentation changes but the core is still the same.
In terms of giving PvP a try I find AA more appealing. It scratches my PvE itch and the freedom to play how I want is refreshing. But more important will be the end game where the content is dependent on what you do with your guild for that day.
It could all suck and crash into burning flames. But thats the risk I'm willing to take. I've paid more for worse in my gaming history, so 150 is definitely worth it.
The real question isn't why are people paying 150 for ArcheAge - It's why are YOU playing it in the first place.
You will find those who have a good answer won't be wasting there money (as some put it).
This kind of behavior happens in EACH and EVERY MMO that has PvP elements. Play World of Warcraft on a PvP server and be sure to be ganked the moment you step into contested teritories, EVE online is even worse the moment you leave 0.6 space for lower security, Lineage II has the same story with a full open world PvP system and lots of ganking.
Looks like your friend doesn't like PvP and is nothing more than a carebear who should stick to the fixed faction PvP MMOs...
Maybe his friend only likes Arena PvP :P As a big time PvPer, to me Arena PvP is more like dueling and isn't nearly as enjoyable as all out wars and sieges, etc. and open-world PvP. It is really funny how people try to convince themselves that they will like an MMO even though it doesn't fit toward what they enjoy. There are sooo many PvE with Arena PvP games, or straight up PvE games out there, why do so many carebears cry about AA? Go play another game! There are many many many to choose from! It's about time we got a PvP focused AAA game.
People call AA a PvP because the entire thing is built with PvP in mind. I personally don't know of many PvP MMOs that literally have no PvE/NPCs, but you'd still call games like MO or DarkFall a PvP game, even though you can kill mobs too... Camelot Unchained is supposed to even have some NPCs to kill, but that will be mostly only players in the world I believe. Regardless, even though there is PvE, AA is still a PvP MMO because that is what the whole world is built around and is the focus throughout and especially during late game. If it was more PvE focused with PvP tacked on like most MMOs these days, I wouldn't consider it a PvP MMO.
Nothing is more fun than unfair ganking or opportunistic killing. It takes 0 skill and it is the very definition of real PvP right? It's also very fun to loot someone and take their items. That's what MMOs are all about.
But don't forget that every real PvP MMO has to have the /spit and /violate corpse command so that you can show your utter disgust and contempt for people that you gank. Also being able to camp someone when they respawn is a much needed feature in every real PvP focused MMO. I want to make them uninstall the game!
And they better not introduce any unnecessary carebear systems like dishonourable kills and criminal system. I don't want to face any consequences for mindlessly one shotting lowbies. That's so carebear!
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So PvP without skill involved but 10-20 levels higher waiting in purpose to kill low levels that can't land a hit on them is PvP? I personally don't play mmorpg pvp i play only mmorpg pve BUT come to call of duty I will make you quit playing after few games against me and that is pure personal skill.
Here and example of good pvp game: you can't attack someone lower level then you but you can same level or higher if you're ballsy. If you say no to that then you suck at videogames and that's why you cheer unfair pvp style.
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