I usually know within the first few hours, and definately after one week whether or not I will like an mmo. I am also fairly clear on the vast majority of the game mechanics after that amount of time, because mmo's are really not all that complex despite what some posters on these forums might have you believe.
The only thing you cannot realistically/ confidently comment upon after a month is endgame and longevity.
I usually know within the first few hours, and definately after one week whether or not I will like an mmo. I am also fairly clear on the vast majority of the game mechanics after that amount of time, because mmo's are really not all that complex despite what some posters on these forums might have you believe.
The only thing you cannot realistically/ confidently comment upon after a month is endgame and longevity.
I'm exactly like you. I know if I'm going to play to cap or not.
the only question I have is if I want to stay after cap.
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Unless you're exactly like the guy who is reviewing the MMO, his review is pretty meaningless. There's one movie reviewer I follow cause his opinion is 99% like mine.
All generic, random reviews are good for is to steer you away from terrabad games. Wildstar is an okay game in my opinion but unless you're exactly like me, my opinion is pretty meaningless.
Unless you're exactly like the guy who is reviewing the MMO, his review is pretty meaningless. There's one movie reviewer I follow cause his opinion is 99% like mine.
All generic, random reviews are good for is to steer you away from terrabad games. Wildstar is an okay game in my opinion but unless you're exactly like me, my opinion is pretty meaningless.
Indeed, just look at the arguments on these forums between mmo players who love and loathe the same game. And anyway, all mmo's are rated far too high unless they are just steaming piles; even the ones I like seem to get absurdly high scores in categories where they are clearly lacking.
Because people don't want an actual review. They just want to know if someone loves or hates the game. That info can be gathered in a matter of minutes, let alone an entire month.
I'd even go so far as to say people are looking for a review that agrees with their opinion. People seem to make their minds up on a game long before they ever actually play it and just want a reviewer to confirm what they already " know" about it.
Look at the replies to most reviews here. The people who disagree with a negative review can often be found on that games forums going on about how great the game will be. Same thing in reverse of course. Having played the game doesn't seem to be a requirement.
Originally posted by DamonVile Originally posted by FoomerangBecause people don't want an actual review. They just want to know if someone loves or hates the game. That info can be gathered in a matter of minutes, let alone an entire month.
I'd even go so far as to say people are looking for a review that agrees with their opinion. People seem to make their minds up on a game long before they ever actually play it and just want a reviewer to confirm what they already " know" about it.
Look at the replies to most reviews here. The people who disagree with a negative review can often be found on that games forums going on about how great the game will be. Same thing in reverse of course. Having played the game doesn't seem to be a requirement.
Yep. We can talk ourselves in or out of anything. All we look to reviews for is affirmation. I do the same thing. I am less interested in reviews and more interested in content patches, changes, and the long term development.
Is it just me or is it getting ridiculous how fast reviews get posted about newly released MMOs? How on earth could you make a honest opinion of a game after playing for such a short period of time?
By stating this is an opinion after playing the game for a month?
Unless you're exactly like the guy who is reviewing the MMO, his review is pretty meaningless. There's one movie reviewer I follow cause his opinion is 99% like mine.
All generic, random reviews are good for is to steer you away from terrabad games. Wildstar is an okay game in my opinion but unless you're exactly like me, my opinion is pretty meaningless.
Well, that's what we have review aggregators for right? Metacritic, for example. A game with mostly positive reviews from a ton of sources must be okay, and this must mean at least something because a concensus of good reviews can't really lie about the game, and it would be meaningful to a person whether he is prejudiced against or for a certain product or not. In your case, if you check Wildstar's reviews, it look like a lot more people review it highly than low, so even if i didn't like it i would be inclined to think that yeah, it's really good in some way.
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Maybe, but you also run into ghost towns/train wrecks like ESO if you delayed it and reviewed the mess it is now.
A few times I have listened to the likes of Mark Kermode pontificating over a film. I have gone to see said film and it is just an amateur pile of awfulness. The problem is that he got caught up in the pretention surrounding the film and failed to objectively review it.
The problem with reviews are that they are all so painfully positive on this site that they become meaningless.
It is like the reviewers are all on mogadon or something. They slate an aspect of a game and then rate it a 7/10.
Anyway, what I have learned is to never trust reviewers, they normally love their genre too much to be objective. They are just too close to it.
I have to disagree there. I think all reviewers know that the whole point of reviewing is to be objective. the problem is some do it better than others.
If you are suggesting that your average game player gives a better review then I would agree and disagree there also. I have seen some pretty good and objective reviews from gamers, but the majority are simply biased with the players own opinions.
In any case most reasonably intelligent people can surmise how much the reviewer is being objective and take the review at face value based on that.
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The problem with reviews are that they are all so painfully positive on this site that they become meaningless.
It is like the reviewers are all on mogadon or something. They slate an aspect of a game and then rate it a 7/10.
Anyway, what I have learned is to never trust reviewers, they normally love their genre too much to be objective. They are just too close to it.
I have to disagree there. I think all reviewers know that the whole point of reviewing is to be objective. the problem is some do it better than others.
If you are suggesting that your average game player gives a better review then I would agree and disagree there also. I have seen some pretty good and objective reviews from gamers, but the majority are simply biased with the players own opinions.
In any case most reasonably intelligent people can surmise how much the reviewer is being objective and take the review at face value based on that.
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A few times I have listened to the likes of Mark Kermode pontificating over a film. I have gone to see said film and it is just an amateur pile of awfulness. The problem is that he got caught up in the pretention surrounding the film and failed to objectively review it.
It is similar with mmo sites.
I wish people would add to the end of a conversation rather than the middle.
Is it just me or is it getting ridiculous how fast reviews get posted about newly released MMOs? How on earth could you make a honest opinion of a game after playing for such a short period of time? I personally feel MMOs shouldn't be reviewed for at least 3-6 months after release and even then things are still be fleshed out. So basically what I'm ranting about here is that I'm tired of being mislead one way or another to buy or to not buy a game when the game in question has had barely any time in the wild.
Wildstar for example is getting above average reviews and after a month that I have been playing I really haven't been that impressed,so far seems very average for a MMO (my opinion). But being that I'm only in my mid 40s I'm not about to quit I will continue to the level cap (hoping the end game is better) so that I can experience all the game has to offer before passing judgement on it. Anyway just a rant about the press that reviews MMOs!
I'm surprised you even pose the question. It's just a game, nothing complex. Especially if, like myself, you have played many, many mmorpgs since 2000. Especially if the reviewer had been allowed access to the game as a tester way before the official release. Once you've played two or three dozen mmorpgs you get a feel for them well within an hour of playing, and have a definite opinion after 3 or 4 days of play.
If you can write a review of a car after driving it for a month, which is perfectly reasonable, there's no problem with something like a computer game.
This is the funny thing about reviews... their purpose is not to support or deny your take on a particular product, but rather to give the person who has yet to go see/use the product an idea of what they are going to get. In other words, reviews aren't for those who have already seen/used the product, only those that haven't. What's the point in reading a review on a product that you already have/use? To make you feel better that you bought a worthy product? To justify your reasons for having thrown it away?
Do you think a review of Archeage one month after it is released is going to say anything that you, and a million other gamers, hadn't already deduced having watched all the YouTube videos, participated in alpha/betas, read forum posts, and been barraged by a sea of developer talk and advertising spam? You know farm more about the game at release than you need to know. Really, more than you need to know. Information overload. Do you know how the sets were made in the latest movie, or how the financing was set up for it, or who was tested for the various roles before they settled in on the particular actors? Do you really need to know this to enjoy the movie? Make a decision about it's entertainment value? No. The less you know, the more enjoyable the experience will be.
So in a nutshell, by the time a review is done, it's been reviewed to death by the masses en masse. They don't need the review anymore, they have already played the game and gotten to max level, and in some cases, already moved on to the next game. That review is not for them, it never was. Why they are reading a review about a game they've already played is beyond me.
So after 3-6 months how long would you want the reviewer to play than in order for them to write a review you agree with?
And after playing the game and coming to your own opinion, why does it matter what a reviewer thinks? Is it the need to feel validated by someone you think is a "professional" reviewer? Is it necessary in order for your opinion to matter to you?
Is it just me or is it getting ridiculous how fast reviews get posted about newly released MMOs? How on earth could you make a honest opinion of a game after playing for such a short period of time? I personally feel MMOs shouldn't be reviewed for at least 3-6 months after release and even then things are still be fleshed out. So basically what I'm ranting about here is that I'm tired of being mislead one way or another to buy or to not buy a game when the game in question has had barely any time in the wild.
Wildstar for example is getting above average reviews and after a month that I have been playing I really haven't been that impressed,so far seems very average for a MMO (my opinion). But being that I'm only in my mid 40s I'm not about to quit I will continue to the level cap (hoping the end game is better) so that I can experience all the game has to offer before passing judgement on it. Anyway just a rant about the press that reviews MMOs!
Current MMOs are designed to be very fast for people to get to end game.. otherwise they complain its a grind.. but then they get to end game and complain there is no content.
Anyway thats how reviews can get out so fast because you can get to end game in no time at all.
Technically game developers should provide legit game reviewers unrestricted friends and family access with no quid pro quo expectation.
As it stands now if you do not let the game developer write the review themselves you just do not get access.
That wasn't my experience at all when I managed sites for MMOs. There were even times where I told developers that it was hard to do a review based on just the low level content and they did what they could to help me. Some examples are:
- limited access to higher level content
- guided walk through of the endgame/major content
- bumped up characters during beta
The journalists you seem to know, if you're actually speaking from experience at all, are probably just lazy and lacking in initiative.
"As it stands now if you do not let the game developer write the review themselves you just do not get access."
This "I want to believe it, therefore it is fact" nonsense... is this a millennial thing? An internet thing? It seems prolific lately and, even worse, tolerated by far too many.
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To be honest 1 month is plenty of time even for the most casual of players to get to level cap and try out end game in modern MMO releases. There is no leveling grind anymore for the most part, so reviews after 1 month sound about right to me.
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Well someone is paid generally to play the game. After playing the game for X amount of time, they are supposed to write their opinions in a written format for us to read.
I know what the OP was implying but yes I am "that" guy, the smart ass, village idiot, whatever as I have been called much worse. I know most of us see the benefit and issues with these type of reviews.
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I usually know within the first few hours, and definately after one week whether or not I will like an mmo. I am also fairly clear on the vast majority of the game mechanics after that amount of time, because mmo's are really not all that complex despite what some posters on these forums might have you believe.
The only thing you cannot realistically/ confidently comment upon after a month is endgame and longevity.
I'm exactly like you. I know if I'm going to play to cap or not.
the only question I have is if I want to stay after cap.
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Unless you're exactly like the guy who is reviewing the MMO, his review is pretty meaningless. There's one movie reviewer I follow cause his opinion is 99% like mine.
All generic, random reviews are good for is to steer you away from terrabad games. Wildstar is an okay game in my opinion but unless you're exactly like me, my opinion is pretty meaningless.
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Indeed, just look at the arguments on these forums between mmo players who love and loathe the same game. And anyway, all mmo's are rated far too high unless they are just steaming piles; even the ones I like seem to get absurdly high scores in categories where they are clearly lacking.
I'd even go so far as to say people are looking for a review that agrees with their opinion. People seem to make their minds up on a game long before they ever actually play it and just want a reviewer to confirm what they already " know" about it.
Look at the replies to most reviews here. The people who disagree with a negative review can often be found on that games forums going on about how great the game will be. Same thing in reverse of course. Having played the game doesn't seem to be a requirement.
Look at the replies to most reviews here. The people who disagree with a negative review can often be found on that games forums going on about how great the game will be. Same thing in reverse of course. Having played the game doesn't seem to be a requirement.
Yep. We can talk ourselves in or out of anything. All we look to reviews for is affirmation. I do the same thing. I am less interested in reviews and more interested in content patches, changes, and the long term development.
Well, that's what we have review aggregators for right? Metacritic, for example. A game with mostly positive reviews from a ton of sources must be okay, and this must mean at least something because a concensus of good reviews can't really lie about the game, and it would be meaningful to a person whether he is prejudiced against or for a certain product or not. In your case, if you check Wildstar's reviews, it look like a lot more people review it highly than low, so even if i didn't like it i would be inclined to think that yeah, it's really good in some way.
But maybe i'm just open0-minded lol.
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The problem with reviews are that they are all so painfully positive on this site that they become meaningless.
It is like the reviewers are all on mogadon or something. They slate an aspect of a game and then rate it a 7/10.
Anyway, what I have learned is to never trust reviewers, they normally love their genre too much to be objective. They are just too close to it.
Maybe, but you also run into ghost towns/train wrecks like ESO if you delayed it and reviewed the mess it is now.
A few times I have listened to the likes of Mark Kermode pontificating over a film. I have gone to see said film and it is just an amateur pile of awfulness. The problem is that he got caught up in the pretention surrounding the film and failed to objectively review it.
It is similar with mmo sites.
I have to disagree there. I think all reviewers know that the whole point of reviewing is to be objective. the problem is some do it better than others.
If you are suggesting that your average game player gives a better review then I would agree and disagree there also. I have seen some pretty good and objective reviews from gamers, but the majority are simply biased with the players own opinions.
In any case most reasonably intelligent people can surmise how much the reviewer is being objective and take the review at face value based on that.
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I went on to say: -
A few times I have listened to the likes of Mark Kermode pontificating over a film. I have gone to see said film and it is just an amateur pile of awfulness. The problem is that he got caught up in the pretention surrounding the film and failed to objectively review it.
It is similar with mmo sites.
I wish people would add to the end of a conversation rather than the middle.
Just like forum posts are so painfully negative that they become meaningless?
I'm surprised you even pose the question. It's just a game, nothing complex. Especially if, like myself, you have played many, many mmorpgs since 2000. Especially if the reviewer had been allowed access to the game as a tester way before the official release. Once you've played two or three dozen mmorpgs you get a feel for them well within an hour of playing, and have a definite opinion after 3 or 4 days of play.
If you can write a review of a car after driving it for a month, which is perfectly reasonable, there's no problem with something like a computer game.
Plus, it is fair game to just review the early part of the game, as long as it states as such.
This is the funny thing about reviews... their purpose is not to support or deny your take on a particular product, but rather to give the person who has yet to go see/use the product an idea of what they are going to get. In other words, reviews aren't for those who have already seen/used the product, only those that haven't. What's the point in reading a review on a product that you already have/use? To make you feel better that you bought a worthy product? To justify your reasons for having thrown it away?
Do you think a review of Archeage one month after it is released is going to say anything that you, and a million other gamers, hadn't already deduced having watched all the YouTube videos, participated in alpha/betas, read forum posts, and been barraged by a sea of developer talk and advertising spam? You know farm more about the game at release than you need to know. Really, more than you need to know. Information overload. Do you know how the sets were made in the latest movie, or how the financing was set up for it, or who was tested for the various roles before they settled in on the particular actors? Do you really need to know this to enjoy the movie? Make a decision about it's entertainment value? No. The less you know, the more enjoyable the experience will be.
So in a nutshell, by the time a review is done, it's been reviewed to death by the masses en masse. They don't need the review anymore, they have already played the game and gotten to max level, and in some cases, already moved on to the next game. That review is not for them, it never was. Why they are reading a review about a game they've already played is beyond me.
So after 3-6 months how long would you want the reviewer to play than in order for them to write a review you agree with?
And after playing the game and coming to your own opinion, why does it matter what a reviewer thinks? Is it the need to feel validated by someone you think is a "professional" reviewer? Is it necessary in order for your opinion to matter to you?
Current MMOs are designed to be very fast for people to get to end game.. otherwise they complain its a grind.. but then they get to end game and complain there is no content.
Anyway thats how reviews can get out so fast because you can get to end game in no time at all.
That wasn't my experience at all when I managed sites for MMOs. There were even times where I told developers that it was hard to do a review based on just the low level content and they did what they could to help me. Some examples are:
The journalists you seem to know, if you're actually speaking from experience at all, are probably just lazy and lacking in initiative.
"As it stands now if you do not let the game developer write the review themselves you just do not get access."
This "I want to believe it, therefore it is fact" nonsense... is this a millennial thing? An internet thing? It seems prolific lately and, even worse, tolerated by far too many.
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To be honest 1 month is plenty of time even for the most casual of players to get to level cap and try out end game in modern MMO releases. There is no leveling grind anymore for the most part, so reviews after 1 month sound about right to me.
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How can a MMO be reviewed after a month?
Well someone is paid generally to play the game. After playing the game for X amount of time, they are supposed to write their opinions in a written format for us to read.
I know what the OP was implying but yes I am "that" guy, the smart ass, village idiot, whatever as I have been called much worse. I know most of us see the benefit and issues with these type of reviews.