But what if it there are consequences in real life? I've read some sickening stories how people in this 'game' are threathening eachother in real life. That certainly is a whole new level of crazy/
I loved reading the replies to this post. Everyone knows how i feel about this game. But to me this post sounds like the game doesn't have any new blood in the game. Whats wrong eve players..not enough newbies in the game to gank. Only have hardcore players in the game now so no more easy kills for you guys. So you make a post to justifer player behavior in the game. Which no sane person wants to pay 15 a month for. Yeah good luck with that lol. What cracks me up is the emails ccp sends me twice a month with some kind of deal to come back. They make me laugh.
Originally posted by Hariken I loved reading the replies to this post. Everyone knows how i feel about this game. But to me this post sounds like the game doesn't have any new blood in the game. Whats wrong eve players..not enough newbies in the game to gank. Only have hardcore players in the game now so no more easy kills for you guys. So you make a post to justifer player behavior in the game. Which no sane person wants to pay 15 a month for. Yeah good luck with that lol. What cracks me up is the emails ccp sends me twice a month with some kind of deal to come back. They make me laugh.
If you're getting them twice a month, they're probably phishing email from other people. I only write one a month, if that often. If you are actually getting two a month from CCP, PM me so I can find out why.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
So you expect people to actually pay a subscription fee just to play a game where the goal of the game is to scam and grief people?
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Lolz.
it's no more "Lolz" Than paying money where the goal fo the game is to reach end game and raid for gear.
It's no more "Lolz" than paying money for any game that has a goal that is attractive to the player.
I'm not sure why that was difficult?
Is it really? Open world no holds barred PVP is in the spirit of Eve, griefing is not.
It's my understanding that the "universe of eve" is to allow the players to make their own way and to do what they want to do. You want to mine you can mine, you want to grief you can grief, you want to track down griefers you can do that.
I've always been of the mind that to do anything, any activity, one must be on board with all of it.
If I play a game where players can kill me and take everything then I must accept these rules as they are the rules of the game.
If I play tackle football I don't cry because I'm tackled a little roughly.
If I play Monopoly I don't cry because I need to sell hotels because I've landed on an opposing player's properties 3 times in a row.
So "yeah" if a game has has "a goal" (note, it's not the only goal) where people can be griefers and pirates then yes anyone playing the game should be prepared.
And if those players want to be the griefers and pirates and are willing to pay a subscription then "yes" I do think people will pay and be happy about their purchase provided that it is the game for them.
Actually, I find EVE to be one of the most restrictive games I've ever played. You can't just play. You always have to obey someone's rules, like sticking a headset in your ear, or not going to this place, or not going to that place, or if you get ganked, having to say "thank you Sir, may I have another?" or get ganked again.
__________________________ "Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it." --Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints." --Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls." --Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
So you expect people to actually pay a subscription fee just to play a game where the goal of the game is to scam and grief people?
...
Lolz.
it's no more "Lolz" Than paying money where the goal fo the game is to reach end game and raid for gear.
It's no more "Lolz" than paying money for any game that has a goal that is attractive to the player.
I'm not sure why that was difficult?
Is it really? Open world no holds barred PVP is in the spirit of Eve, griefing is not.
It's my understanding that the "universe of eve" is to allow the players to make their own way and to do what they want to do. You want to mine you can mine, you want to grief you can grief, you want to track down griefers you can do that.
I've always been of the mind that to do anything, any activity, one must be on board with all of it.
If I play a game where players can kill me and take everything then I must accept these rules as they are the rules of the game.
If I play tackle football I don't cry because I'm tackled a little roughly.
If I play Monopoly I don't cry because I need to sell hotels because I've landed on an opposing player's properties 3 times in a row.
So "yeah" if a game has has "a goal" (note, it's not the only goal) where people can be griefers and pirates then yes anyone playing the game should be prepared.
And if those players want to be the griefers and pirates and are willing to pay a subscription then "yes" I do think people will pay and be happy about their purchase provided that it is the game for them.
Actually, I find EVE to be one of the most restrictive games I've ever played. You can't just play. You always have to obey someone's rules, like sticking a headset in your ear, or not going to this place, or not going to that place, or if you get ganked, having to say "thank you Sir, may I have another?" or get ganked again.
^This
And if you disagree...you lie
Besides this, it just hasn't been a newb friendly game since forever. But hey...they will tell you otherwise and will get some to play anyway. Well, have fun.
Originally posted by tawess ...My point is sadly for you a floater... it keeps coming back up no matter how much you hit that handle...
Has to be some of the funniest ish I've read on the internet.
I can't imagine any game with a bigger barrier to entry than Eve. That character I ebayed back in 2004 brought me some nice coin *because* of that barrier. Reading this thread has made me want to play again, but ugg that leveling curve. How long is it now? Six years; ten years, etc.
Luckily, i don't need you to like me to enjoy video games. -nariusseldon. In F2P I think it's more a case of the game's trying to play the player's. -laserit
The amount of misconceptions and just general bullshit in this thread about EVE is astounding, and quite honestly I'm getting sick of people hating on it because of someone elses poor experience.
The griefing and scamming and ganking does not happen nearly as often as these people who barely played claim it does. Having half a brain and a some skepticism will help steer one clear of almost all the scams run in the game. Ganking and griefing will happen but as you play and learn you find ways to avoid both with relative ease.
The game is not the sharktank that people make it out to be. Some people may go out of their way to be a complete asshole to others but they are actually the exception rather than the rule. In my experience over the years most people want to help mold those that are willing into isk and killmail generating machines, or atleast have another F1 monkey for the next 10% tidi battle in null.
The griefing and scamming and ganking does not happen nearly as often as these people who barely played claim it does. Having half a brain and a some skepticism will help steer one clear of almost all the scams run in the game.
Well, that gives you an idea of who really are those who hate EVE :P
"EVE is likely the best MMORPG that you've never really understood or played" - Kyleran
I can understand "you" (you who play EVE) do not want the carebears and the masses to play "your" game - but are you not interested in new players at all?
I do not know EVE very well, think I played 4-6 months a few years back, now wondering if I should try it out again - I can live with getting blown up a few times
But if the general current population of EVE don't really want new players - why would a player like me come back?
And if there actually is a somewhat larger portion of the player base who are interested in getting more / new players into the game, why are they not "helping" new players?
- in real open world (as in the real world) 99% of the world population are against scamming, griefing, stealing ect. so we formed this nice thing called police (and army) to enforce that they weak (aka new players) don't get muscled down by those who are stronger - IF EVE really is a true open world, why isn't this happening? - to me it can only mean that the main player base are happy as they are, and don't really want fresh blood in there game - is this the case?
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There's plenty of ways to learn about the game on your own, and there are corporations in game specifically designed to help and teach newbies. E-Uni is a well known one. Some of the "scary" killers of EVE even pop in to be guest speakers and lead fleets.
I was welcomed and flying in a fleet of people within my first few days. I moved on and met some new people who I flew with for a couple months, and now I've moved on to EVE Uni to learn more about the game. I've never been sneered at or shot at because I'm a noob. I've been shot at for doing stupid stuff though. I've seen people sneered and laughed at for begging for isk in the rookie chat channel. The point is, that your experience in EVE is in your hands.
There are some things in EVE that will make you a target to be ganked, scammed, and griefed. They're all preventable. I see nothing wrong with CCP allowing it so long as there is something (besides tears) to be gained by the perpetrator.
So Eve - its great - I love the game. I have only been scammed one time and I did it to myself so i deserved it. Did I ask the player to return it? Yes, but he said no so I went on and said - good learning experience.
One of the most common scams in Eve is giving Isk (Money) to a player and have him return you more back in exchange. Sometimes this can escalate to billions of isk if the person is gullible enough. Does this happen? Yes it does and for whatever reason i cannot fathom why someone would give someone else millions of isk thinking they will return it and give you double back. If you do this - you are dumb.
In real life - If i was approached by someone, say in a email, that stated if you wire me over $5,000 I will send it back to you plus another $5,000. Would you do this? I wouldnt, why would I do it in a game? because people assume its not legal or allowed and there are mechanics in game to stop me from doing something bad? No, it can happen in any game just not bannable in Eve.
Eve did put some restrictions on this regardless. There has to be an agreement in place and its usually in their bio but tricky on words. If you can figure it out, they will send you over the isk as stated. If not, they say thank you and take your isk once they get enough of it. Simply put, dont frreakin bother - its not logical to do this.
Another is contracts and the blurred 0's trick. Read what you are accepting and dont blindly click all the buttons.
None of these scams ever hit me. I read before doing anything or understand its a stupid scam. I live in no security space (open pvp) and only go to hi sec space (Limited pvp) when i need to restock. I have a corp and an alliance and friends that helped me learn the game. Due to this the game was easy for me.
It doesnt take 6 months to get un-borring. It takes you to take the intiative to make it not boring and complainers seem to want it handed to them on a silver platter. Think and apply what you learn and its great. I get a brand new guy to the game and have him tackling and shooting other people day 1. I providfe them free ships, skillbooks etc. This is what an alliance / copr is for, for a new person to the game just like any other game.
TL;DR - scams can occur in eve like any other game. Read and be aware and you are doing. Join a corp and get some help, corps (guilds) want to help you as you tend to be a bit more loyal if they help you a lot and not go to another corp.
Lots of new people still coming to Eve. The ones that try it alone tend to fade off. The ones that seek a corp tend to stay a lot longer.
If you are new and want to learn more about Eve, send Kuyakai (in game name) an in game email and ill be happy to point you in the right direction of a corp / alliance to get help from.
Originally posted by Bladestrom In a 400 billion star system game gate camps are history, and people are not going to dedicate themselves to griefing because of distances involved - so yep easier to avoid arses.
400 billion star system...how many of them will actually be accessible.
Reminds me of when Star Trek said they had a mechanic to randomly generate an infinite number of planets to explore.
Turned out to be a small square plot of land.
I think someone is going to be very unhappy if the game ever comes out. They sure can make allot of ship skins for you to buy and look at in your hangar........
Originally posted by Bladestrom In a 400 billion star system game gate camps are history, and people are not going to dedicate themselves to griefing because of distances involved - so yep easier to avoid arses.
400 billion star system...how many of them will actually be accessible.
Reminds me of when Start Trek said they had a mechanic to randomly generate an infinite number of planets to explore.
Turned out to be a small square plot of land.
I think someone is going to be very unhappy if the game ever comes out. They sure can make allot of ship skins for you to buy and look at in your hangar........
there are 5000 systems with gates, 2500 wormhole systems. Gatecamps still happen all the time.
Dr shiv maybe you want to do a basic google before you make statements. There will be 100 billon star systems that are visit able, possible because of the mix of proc coding and hand crafted systems. So, as I said, only campable at choke points such as central hubs.
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there are 5000 systems with gates, 2500 wormhole systems. Gatecamps still happen all the time.
There are no gates in ED...
Entrances/Exits to/from WH's can be scanned down and camped however, depending on whether its low/null or high sec, although the interior can always be camped as its effectively null sec.
Originally posted by Phry Entrances/Exits to/from WH's can be scanned down and camped however, depending on whether its low/null or high sec, although the interior can always be camped as its effectively null sec.
I understand where you're coming from, I truly do. But you have to realize that the world of New Eden that CCP has created is supposed to be an emulation of a completely dog eat dog society where almost anything can happen. For all intents and purposes you should be happy there are even Hi-sec areas in my opinion.
I have played this game on and off here and there for some time and I am by no means an expert in any way shape or form. But what I absolutely love about this game is that it truly is a vitrual world: one server, go anywhere, do anything. It is trying to portray a futuristic society in space where there is no government. Just those who may or may not be your friends.
I understand you have to pay a subscription, I understand that you've put a lot of time and effort into the game, but this is something that they make you very well aware of and is something that makes the experience something that is truly unique. That fear of griefing, that fear of losing everything. But that's what makes it awesome, the fact that can actually happen, anytime, anywhere, and if you can't handle that then this game isn't for you. Can't you guys imagine that if a world actually did exist like New Eden in space there would be those griefers, those pirates, those scammers? That's what our world is like believe it or not. Just most of us don't see it as we live in a priveleged society where we play video games all day... It's sick but its an accurate portrayal of what that society would be like (I think at least). So CCP, please don't change it. Don't corrupt this immaculate world of no holds barred, deception, profiteering, piracy, backstabbing.. ugh I could go on.
Besides this, it just hasn't been a newb friendly game since forever. But hey...they will tell you otherwise and will get some to play anyway. Well, have fun.
I started playing EvE like 8 years late meaning I'm still a newby in many ways and I can tell you it's very newb friendly.
Unless ofc you want to solo, cba to edjucate yourself how game works and demand everything right here and right NOW.
GL&HF in your life if that's how you think it flows.
p.s. Learning the game is the cuical part, because EvE shows you like no other game how information/knowledge is power.
I'll say it once again, just in case somewhere, deep down, one of the anti-EVE people might actually get it.
When it comes to EVE, or ANY PVP, the general PVE population avoids it like the plague. They cite level gaps, gear gaps, griefing, etc, etc, etc. But you can take every excuse they give for disliking PVP and roll it up into one real answer: It's too hard for them. They can't google or youtube their way around a mob (player) that doesn't follow a set pattern or a tiny number of look-how-easy-I-am-to-kill scripts. In their narrow perspective, facerolling poorly scripted mobs is completely different from a player facerolling them. It's just too hard for them. We play chess, they're still playing connect four.
I'll say it once again, just in case somewhere, deep down, one of the anti-EVE people might actually get it.When it comes to EVE, or ANY PVP, the general PVE population avoids it like the plague. They cite level gaps, gear gaps, griefing, etc, etc, etc. But you can take every excuse they give for disliking PVP and roll it up into one real answer: It's too hard for them. They can't google or youtube their way around a mob (player) that doesn't follow a set pattern or a tiny number of look-how-easy-I-am-to-kill scripts. In their narrow perspective, facerolling poorly scripted mobs is completely different from a player facerolling them. It's just too hard for them. We play chess, they're still playing connect four.
Connect Four is a decent game, provided the first player starts on a non-middle area. Just sayin. Similarly, chess can be stale-mated with certain opening moves from the center, in every game - hence why the masters choose alternate openers. OK, Ok .. Anyways, Takeshis Challenge is harder than chess, in gaming terms. EVE is good. /peace
I'll say it once again, just in case somewhere, deep down, one of the anti-EVE people might actually get it.
When it comes to EVE, or ANY PVP, the general PVE population avoids it like the plague. They cite level gaps, gear gaps, griefing, etc, etc, etc. But you can take every excuse they give for disliking PVP and roll it up into one real answer: It's too hard for them. They can't google or youtube their way around a mob (player) that doesn't follow a set pattern or a tiny number of look-how-easy-I-am-to-kill scripts. In their narrow perspective, facerolling poorly scripted mobs is completely different from a player facerolling them. It's just too hard for them. We play chess, they're still playing connect four.
Connect Four is a decent game, provided the first player starts on a non-middle area. Just sayin. Similarly, chess can be stale-mated with certain opening moves from the center, in every game - hence why the masters choose alternate openers. OK, Ok .. Anyways, Takeshis Challenge is harder than chess, in gaming terms. EVE is good. /peace
Way to sunder an analogy =P
I was trying to keep it simple without saying adults vs. kiddiez.... they seem to form mobs and QQ all night when I say kiddiez on here, it's sad lol
I understand where you're coming from, I truly do. But you have to realize that the world of New Eden that CCP has created is supposed to be an emulation of a completely dog eat dog society where almost anything can happen. For all intents and purposes you should be happy there are even Hi-sec areas in my opinion.
I have played this game on and off here and there for some time and I am by no means an expert in any way shape or form. But what I absolutely love about this game is that it truly is a vitrual world: one server, go anywhere, do anything. It is trying to portray a futuristic society in space where there is no government. Just those who may or may not be your friends.
I understand you have to pay a subscription, I understand that you've put a lot of time and effort into the game, but this is something that they make you very well aware of and is something that makes the experience something that is truly unique. That fear of griefing, that fear of losing everything. But that's what makes it awesome, the fact that can actually happen, anytime, anywhere, and if you can't handle that then this game isn't for you. Can't you guys imagine that if a world actually did exist like New Eden in space there would be those griefers, those pirates, those scammers? That's what our world is like believe it or not. Just most of us don't see it as we live in a priveleged society where we play video games all day... It's sick but its an accurate portrayal of what that society would be like (I think at least). So CCP, please don't change it. Don't corrupt this immaculate world of no holds barred, deception, profiteering, piracy, backstabbing.. ugh I could go on.
I think a lot more people would play if they did change it...
"The King and the Pawn return to the same box at the end of the game"
I understand where you're coming from, I truly do. But you have to realize that the world of New Eden that CCP has created is supposed to be an emulation of a completely dog eat dog society where almost anything can happen. For all intents and purposes you should be happy there are even Hi-sec areas in my opinion.
I have played this game on and off here and there for some time and I am by no means an expert in any way shape or form. But what I absolutely love about this game is that it truly is a vitrual world: one server, go anywhere, do anything. It is trying to portray a futuristic society in space where there is no government. Just those who may or may not be your friends.
I understand you have to pay a subscription, I understand that you've put a lot of time and effort into the game, but this is something that they make you very well aware of and is something that makes the experience something that is truly unique. That fear of griefing, that fear of losing everything. But that's what makes it awesome, the fact that can actually happen, anytime, anywhere, and if you can't handle that then this game isn't for you. Can't you guys imagine that if a world actually did exist like New Eden in space there would be those griefers, those pirates, those scammers? That's what our world is like believe it or not. Just most of us don't see it as we live in a priveleged society where we play video games all day... It's sick but its an accurate portrayal of what that society would be like (I think at least). So CCP, please don't change it. Don't corrupt this immaculate world of no holds barred, deception, profiteering, piracy, backstabbing.. ugh I could go on.
I think a lot more people would play if they did change it...
You think CCP might be able to emulate the incredible commercial success of Star Trek Online?
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If you're getting them twice a month, they're probably phishing email from other people. I only write one a month, if that often. If you are actually getting two a month from CCP, PM me so I can find out why.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Actually, I find EVE to be one of the most restrictive games I've ever played. You can't just play. You always have to obey someone's rules, like sticking a headset in your ear, or not going to this place, or not going to that place, or if you get ganked, having to say "thank you Sir, may I have another?" or get ganked again.
__________________________
"Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
--Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
^This
And if you disagree...you lie
Besides this, it just hasn't been a newb friendly game since forever. But hey...they will tell you otherwise and will get some to play anyway. Well, have fun.
Has to be some of the funniest ish I've read on the internet.
I can't imagine any game with a bigger barrier to entry than Eve. That character I ebayed back in 2004 brought me some nice coin *because* of that barrier. Reading this thread has made me want to play again, but ugg that leveling curve. How long is it now? Six years; ten years, etc.
Luckily, i don't need you to like me to enjoy video games. -nariusseldon.
In F2P I think it's more a case of the game's trying to play the player's. -laserit
The amount of misconceptions and just general bullshit in this thread about EVE is astounding, and quite honestly I'm getting sick of people hating on it because of someone elses poor experience.
The griefing and scamming and ganking does not happen nearly as often as these people who barely played claim it does. Having half a brain and a some skepticism will help steer one clear of almost all the scams run in the game. Ganking and griefing will happen but as you play and learn you find ways to avoid both with relative ease.
The game is not the sharktank that people make it out to be. Some people may go out of their way to be a complete asshole to others but they are actually the exception rather than the rule. In my experience over the years most people want to help mold those that are willing into isk and killmail generating machines, or atleast have another F1 monkey for the next 10% tidi battle in null.
Well, that gives you an idea of who really are those who hate EVE :P
"EVE is likely the best MMORPG that you've never really understood or played" - Kyleran
There's plenty of ways to learn about the game on your own, and there are corporations in game specifically designed to help and teach newbies. E-Uni is a well known one. Some of the "scary" killers of EVE even pop in to be guest speakers and lead fleets.
I was welcomed and flying in a fleet of people within my first few days. I moved on and met some new people who I flew with for a couple months, and now I've moved on to EVE Uni to learn more about the game. I've never been sneered at or shot at because I'm a noob. I've been shot at for doing stupid stuff though. I've seen people sneered and laughed at for begging for isk in the rookie chat channel. The point is, that your experience in EVE is in your hands.
There are some things in EVE that will make you a target to be ganked, scammed, and griefed. They're all preventable. I see nothing wrong with CCP allowing it so long as there is something (besides tears) to be gained by the perpetrator.
So Eve - its great - I love the game. I have only been scammed one time and I did it to myself so i deserved it. Did I ask the player to return it? Yes, but he said no so I went on and said - good learning experience.
One of the most common scams in Eve is giving Isk (Money) to a player and have him return you more back in exchange. Sometimes this can escalate to billions of isk if the person is gullible enough. Does this happen? Yes it does and for whatever reason i cannot fathom why someone would give someone else millions of isk thinking they will return it and give you double back. If you do this - you are dumb.
In real life - If i was approached by someone, say in a email, that stated if you wire me over $5,000 I will send it back to you plus another $5,000. Would you do this? I wouldnt, why would I do it in a game? because people assume its not legal or allowed and there are mechanics in game to stop me from doing something bad? No, it can happen in any game just not bannable in Eve.
Eve did put some restrictions on this regardless. There has to be an agreement in place and its usually in their bio but tricky on words. If you can figure it out, they will send you over the isk as stated. If not, they say thank you and take your isk once they get enough of it. Simply put, dont frreakin bother - its not logical to do this.
Another is contracts and the blurred 0's trick. Read what you are accepting and dont blindly click all the buttons.
None of these scams ever hit me. I read before doing anything or understand its a stupid scam. I live in no security space (open pvp) and only go to hi sec space (Limited pvp) when i need to restock. I have a corp and an alliance and friends that helped me learn the game. Due to this the game was easy for me.
It doesnt take 6 months to get un-borring. It takes you to take the intiative to make it not boring and complainers seem to want it handed to them on a silver platter. Think and apply what you learn and its great. I get a brand new guy to the game and have him tackling and shooting other people day 1. I providfe them free ships, skillbooks etc. This is what an alliance / copr is for, for a new person to the game just like any other game.
TL;DR - scams can occur in eve like any other game. Read and be aware and you are doing. Join a corp and get some help, corps (guilds) want to help you as you tend to be a bit more loyal if they help you a lot and not go to another corp.
Lots of new people still coming to Eve. The ones that try it alone tend to fade off. The ones that seek a corp tend to stay a lot longer.
If you are new and want to learn more about Eve, send Kuyakai (in game name) an in game email and ill be happy to point you in the right direction of a corp / alliance to get help from.
400 billion star system...how many of them will actually be accessible.
Reminds me of when Star Trek said they had a mechanic to randomly generate an infinite number of planets to explore.
Turned out to be a small square plot of land.
I think someone is going to be very unhappy if the game ever comes out. They sure can make allot of ship skins for you to buy and look at in your hangar........
there are 5000 systems with gates, 2500 wormhole systems. Gatecamps still happen all the time.
There are no gates in ED...
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Entrances/Exits to/from WH's can be scanned down and camped however, depending on whether its low/null or high sec, although the interior can always be camped as its effectively null sec.
Same thing.
Nicely put, I fully agree and
-for a fact- I embrace this knowledge myself
which in return makes me able to enjoy the game.
If you want to be a butt-monkey to one of the large corps, or stay in hi-sec its just fine..
I started playing EvE like 8 years late meaning I'm still a newby in many ways and I can tell you it's very newb friendly.
Unless ofc you want to solo, cba to edjucate yourself how game works and demand everything right here and right NOW.
GL&HF in your life if that's how you think it flows.
p.s. Learning the game is the cuical part, because EvE shows you like no other game how information/knowledge is power.
I'll say it once again, just in case somewhere, deep down, one of the anti-EVE people might actually get it.
When it comes to EVE, or ANY PVP, the general PVE population avoids it like the plague. They cite level gaps, gear gaps, griefing, etc, etc, etc. But you can take every excuse they give for disliking PVP and roll it up into one real answer: It's too hard for them. They can't google or youtube their way around a mob (player) that doesn't follow a set pattern or a tiny number of look-how-easy-I-am-to-kill scripts. In their narrow perspective, facerolling poorly scripted mobs is completely different from a player facerolling them. It's just too hard for them. We play chess, they're still playing connect four.
Connect Four is a decent game, provided the first player starts on a non-middle area. Just sayin. Similarly, chess can be stale-mated with certain opening moves from the center, in every game - hence why the masters choose alternate openers. OK, Ok .. Anyways, Takeshis Challenge is harder than chess, in gaming terms. EVE is good. /peace
Way to sunder an analogy =P
I was trying to keep it simple without saying adults vs. kiddiez.... they seem to form mobs and QQ all night when I say kiddiez on here, it's sad lol
I think a lot more people would play if they did change it...
You think CCP might be able to emulate the incredible commercial success of Star Trek Online?
Give me liberty or give me lasers