Originally posted by Dr_Shivinski ...The game is not the sharktank that people make it out to be.
Possibly true. In 2004, I was only ganked twice, both times in low or null sec space; and the second gank the pirate told me to stop firing; probably would have spared me if I did; and he gave me some useful advice after the fight on how to improve my ship. But another poster said earlier the community has gone severely down hill since then so not sure about today.
Luckily, i don't need you to like me to enjoy video games. -nariusseldon. In F2P I think it's more a case of the game's trying to play the player's. -laserit
Datawarlock you may feel pleased with you assessment that pve players are somehow a different species of man that can't handle the incredible skill levels required to play pvp but the fact is some people just can't be arsed with jump or be jumped game style, and enjoy role playing, deep economics, politics etc. Eve should get rid of hi- sec it it is truly hardcore and not try and attract pve players - or alternatively provide proper gameplay for Pvers. Unfortunately the latter has no chance because of attitudes like your own - and do Eve will diminish as soon as a competent competitor with half decent pve comes out.
I will pay for a universe with some law and order and done chaos, but I won't pay for some primadonna to try to 'farm my tears'
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Using you head and not being griefed I. Pve means, not spending too much on your ship in high sec, or you at a griefed, constantly being in a state of 'Run away!' when trouble appears on the radar. Orvjust pjain getting jumped by arsehols 'for tears' This ain't fun or emergent gameplay, it's just annoying.
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Originally posted by Bladestrom Using you head and not being griefed I. Pve means, not spending too much on your ship in high sec, or you at a griefed, constantly being in a state of 'Run away!' when trouble appears on the radar. Orvjust pjain getting jumped by arsehols 'for tears' This ain't fun or emergent gameplay, it's just annoying.
I wish more people were like you. Don't like the game, don't play it trying to get the devs to change it just for you.
Now, if you would just stop posting in forums of games you don't like.
Blade if you are a complete idiot and kit out your PvE ship with top of the range bling you are gonna get bent over a rock because EVE is not a gear based game thus you build your ship for your task and when you fit it you fit it expecting to lose it and thus do so in such a way that is cost effective in terms of investment/effectiveness. If you are a mission runner fit a cap stable tank at around 400 DPS tank for frigates vs your rat type, 800 for cruisers and around 1200 for battleship class ships ( this is taking Sig radius and speed in consideration ) then you cram as much t2 firepower on your ship as you can fit and where slots are left also improve damage yield and/or application.
I only ever got ganked twice pveing: once in low sec and once in a wormhole , both times I laughed my ass off as nothing of value dropped and this is in a 7 year long career.
Blade if you are a complete idiot and kit out your PvE ship with top of the range bling you are gonna get bent over a rock because EVE is not a gear based game thus you build your ship for your task and when you fit it you fit it expecting to lose it and thus do so in such a way that is cost effective in terms of investment/effectiveness. If you are a mission runner fit a cap stable tank at around 400 DPS tank for frigates vs your rat type, 800 for cruisers and around 1200 for battleship class ships ( this is taking Sig radius and speed in consideration ) then you cram as much t2 firepower on your ship as you can fit and where slots are left also improve damage yield and/or application.
I only ever got ganked twice pveing: once in low sec and once in a wormhole , both times I laughed my ass off as nothing of value dropped and this is in a 7 year long career.
Yes I know this, I can farm mission 4 easily with my BS in non faction gear (I dont even need T2 weapons) , thats not the point. My point is lack of long term PVE goals and objectives where you only want to carebear - basically its about staying under the radar. I would love to use a paladin for example just because it looks really cool from a RP perspective, but I cant because it becomes a target purely out of spitefulness.
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Blade if you are a complete idiot and kit out your PvE ship with top of the range bling you are gonna get bent over a rock because EVE is not a gear based game thus you build your ship for your task and when you fit it you fit it expecting to lose it and thus do so in such a way that is cost effective in terms of investment/effectiveness. If you are a mission runner fit a cap stable tank at around 400 DPS tank for frigates vs your rat type, 800 for cruisers and around 1200 for battleship class ships ( this is taking Sig radius and speed in consideration ) then you cram as much t2 firepower on your ship as you can fit and where slots are left also improve damage yield and/or application.
I only ever got ganked twice pveing: once in low sec and once in a wormhole , both times I laughed my ass off as nothing of value dropped and this is in a 7 year long career.
Yes I know this, I can farm mission 4 easily with my BS in non faction gear (I dont even need T2 weapons) , thats not the point. My point is lack of long term PVE goals and objectives where you only want to carebear - basically its about staying under the radar. I would love to use a paladin for example just because it looks really cool from a RP perspective, but I cant because it becomes a target purely out of spitefulness.
Exactly this...and this is why Eve is not a good PvE game and anyone that says it is is lying.
Originally posted by Bladestrom Using you head and not being griefed I. Pve means, not spending too much on your ship in high sec, or you at a griefed, constantly being in a state of 'Run away!' when trouble appears on the radar. Orvjust pjain getting jumped by arsehols 'for tears' This ain't fun or emergent gameplay, it's just annoying.
I wish more people were like you. Don't like the game, don't play it trying to get the devs to change it just for you.
Now, if you would just stop posting in forums of games you don't like.
Not sure what your attitude has got to do with the poor state of PVE and griefing by arseholes in Hi-sec because of stale overly stable null sec play but you keep those fingers in your ears - There are no problems, all will be well when competition comes out for Eve, especially with delightful attitudes like yourself welcoming all into the community. 'Eve has some big issues atm.', 'PVP is drying up', 'you need Industrialists.' are recent statements that sprint to mind.
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OP, your post is the very reason why i tell people new to MMO´s to stay as far away from EvE as they can... I tell them to get a feel for what a MMO is and how people act by logging a few hours in WoW or some of the F2P games like Neverwinter or DCUO.
I then tell them that if they like to face the absolut worst humanity has to offer on a daily basis, by all means go check EvE out. But i also explain that the first 4-5 months will be hell and boring as snail snot unless they get a sponsor... A sort of space-pimp that takes care of them for what ever dark reason they choose.
But i also tell them if they make it past that 6 month line the game starts to open up a bit and can develop in to a fairly fun game... It is just that the road there is filled with enough violation of humanity that they might pop a blood vessel.
And before you ask.... I regged my account back in Feb -05... And have played on and off over the years.... So yes... I have some very solid ground for my statement.
EVE is full af great friendly people. I dont get all the people who paints that bleak picture of the comunity, players and ingame antics. I have seen just as many idiots in the first games you mention as I have in EVE. EVE is no worse nor better than the rest. That EVE attracts shady people more that the other MMO's is a myth IMHO.
OP, your post is the very reason why i tell people new to MMO´s to stay as far away from EvE as they can... I tell them to get a feel for what a MMO is and how people act by logging a few hours in WoW or some of the F2P games like Neverwinter or DCUO.
I then tell them that if they like to face the absolut worst humanity has to offer on a daily basis, by all means go check EvE out. But i also explain that the first 4-5 months will be hell and boring as snail snot unless they get a sponsor... A sort of space-pimp that takes care of them for what ever dark reason they choose.
But i also tell them if they make it past that 6 month line the game starts to open up a bit and can develop in to a fairly fun game... It is just that the road there is filled with enough violation of humanity that they might pop a blood vessel.
And before you ask.... I regged my account back in Feb -05... And have played on and off over the years.... So yes... I have some very solid ground for my statement.
EVE is full af great friendly people. I dont get all the people who paints that bleak picture of the comunity, players and ingame antics. I have seen just as many idiots in the first games you mention as I have in EVE. EVE is no worse nor better than the rest. That EVE attracts shady people more that the other MMO's is a myth IMHO.
Eve does have great people, its also an amazing universe and game engine. However CCP have lost control of the griefing, and griefing is also rising because of stale null sec play. Finally Griefing in Eve is much more disruptive than any other game. Ofc Eve attracts more Shady people - it offers more shady gameplay.
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Just FYI, tonight people were giving away tons of isk. No strings attached. I managed to score 1 billion dollars. No joke. I thought I was being scammed until it showed up in my wallet. That was a pleasant surprise as I only had 5 million starting the day (up to about 8 or 9) doing the Sisters of Eve missions.
Spent most of the day in .5 space with no issues and was invited out to come prance around nullsec with some neutral groups. Didn't take them up on that as I'm still skittish of most people in Eve but they're growing on me. Seems like 9/10's of the people are cool and chill and the other 1/10 is what you see videos about. But there are aholes in real life too so no excusing that.
I understand where you're coming from, I truly do.
Perhaps...but you want them to shut up, anyway.
But you have to realize that the world of New Eden that CCP has created is supposed to be an emulation of a completely dog eat dog society where almost anything can happen.
Actually, it was because CCP was too lazy or too poor to enforce standards early on...what we see is a failure masquerading as a feature.
For all intents and purposes you should be happy there are even Hi-sec areas in my opinion.
Yeah...because I'm sure you'd have billions of subscriptions if it was taken out....oh the horror! Just look at how the game is held back because of 0.5 and above! You should all be ashamed of yourselves.
I have played this game on and off here and there for some time and I am by no means an expert in any way shape or form. But what I absolutely love about this game is that it truly is a vitrual world: one server, go anywhere, do anything.
More like "go anywhere you are allowed" and "do anything others want you to do." It's what usually happens when you let groups of players decide what goes on in someone else's property. They don't have to own it; they just have to let the id run wild.
It is trying to portray a futuristic society in space where there is no government. Just those who may or may not be your friends.
In your dreams, perhaps, or (rather) in another's nightmare.
I understand you have to pay a subscription, I understand that you've put a lot of time and effort into the game, but this is something that they make you very well aware of and is something that makes the experience something that is truly unique.
Not really unique...boringly typical, actually. The only difference is the timespan. In counterstrike, a n00b will get pwned in minutes. In this game, it may take days or months.
That fear of griefing, that fear of losing everything.
Only a fear if you care about the game. Those who don't care about EVE tend to do better in EVE.
But that's what makes it awesome, the fact that can actually happen, anytime, anywhere, and if you can't handle that then this game isn't for you.
Exactly why the people are posting, aren't they?
Can't you guys imagine that if a world actually did exist like New Eden in space there would be those griefers, those pirates, those scammers?
Your typical EVE griefer, pirate or scammer is actually too weak, too dumb, too privileged and too principled to do these kinds of things in reality. Hence, why they have to simulate it. But I do give the EVE players this much, the roles they choose give a window into their secret dreams and secret desires...what they would want to be if given a choice.
That's what our world is like believe it or not. Just most of us don't see it as we live in a priveleged society where we play video games all day... It's sick but its an accurate portrayal of what that society would be like (I think at least).
This is where I get confused...is this what our world is like? Or, rather, what our world would be like? I say neither.
EVE is, actually, a rather boring affair if you are in power. Hence, why they have to invent enemies and subversives out of average folks just getting by (the mission runner, the small Empire miner, the NPC corp player, the freighter owner who isn't part of a 0.0 alliance, the egalitarian). I'd go so far as to say that those who defend this game would think that EVE's society is an ideal model for our own, given the kind of order and guarantees New Eden gives them.
I mean, it is so simple to become a pawn in the machine that runs EVE. The EVE powers will give you everything (skillbooks, ships, direction) just as long as they like you and you do what they say. You don't have to make any decisions for yourself, and you can have it all. That is what "rule number one: join a good corp" is all about, isn't it? In other words, anyone who logs on Tranquility and refuses to graft themselves into some ordered, hierarchical power structure is considered a subversive (perhaps even subhuman) element that deserves to be stripped of his or her humanity...the crueler, the better. EVE is a fascism simulator, par excellence.
I'd go out on a limb and say that those who are driven to hold this game up as some sort of ideal model think that life would be better--for them, especially, if the masses can be managed through force, surveillance and intimidation in real life. Otherwise, we wouldn't have so much EVEangelization going on about New Eden's "virtues"...evangelization that always sounds muddled and confused, because it is a hard thing to defend what appears, to most people, to be indefensible.
So CCP, please don't change it. Don't corrupt this immaculate world of no holds barred, deception, profiteering, piracy, backstabbing.. ugh I could go on.
And this last line just proves what I was saying in the above section. It is a plea not to "corrupt this immaculate world," while following with aspects that cannot be considered immaculate by a normal thinking person ("no holds barred, deception, profiteering, backstabbing"). If these are the "immaculate" and "incorruptible" virtues of New Eden, what would the "subversive" and "impure" vices of EVE, according to how the EVE defenders would have it?
Well, here's a few I can think of:
1) People expecting fun for their $15.
2) People expecting free-form gameplay for their $15.
3) People expecting development to make their game better.
4) People expecting tolerance.
5) People expecting progress towards their goals here.
6) People minding their own business.
7) People who enjoy diversity.
Did I leave any out?
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It's a 10 year old game... it is what it is. It has a reputation... brings people to the game, runs others away. It has survived this long, it will continue to survive.
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Blade if you are a complete idiot and kit out your PvE ship with top of the range bling you are gonna get bent over a rock because EVE is not a gear based game thus you build your ship for your task and when you fit it you fit it expecting to lose it and thus do so in such a way that is cost effective in terms of investment/effectiveness. If you are a mission runner fit a cap stable tank at around 400 DPS tank for frigates vs your rat type, 800 for cruisers and around 1200 for battleship class ships ( this is taking Sig radius and speed in consideration ) then you cram as much t2 firepower on your ship as you can fit and where slots are left also improve damage yield and/or application.
I only ever got ganked twice pveing: once in low sec and once in a wormhole , both times I laughed my ass off as nothing of value dropped and this is in a 7 year long career.
Yes I know this, I can farm mission 4 easily with my BS in non faction gear (I dont even need T2 weapons) , thats not the point. My point is lack of long term PVE goals and objectives where you only want to carebear - basically its about staying under the radar. I would love to use a paladin for example just because it looks really cool from a RP perspective, but I cant because it becomes a target purely out of spitefulness.
Yet people regularly fly Paladin's and other Mauraders on a regular basis, and even more spendy Pirate Faction BS's with fittings in the 4-5B ISK range.
What do they have that you don't? The willingness to take the risk I guess.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Yet people regularly fly Paladin's and other Mauraders on a regular basis, and even more spendy Pirate Faction BS's with fittings in the 4-5B ISK range.
What do they have that you don't? The willingness to take the risk I guess.
And probably some meta skills regarding fits. Ganking a Marauder in highsec is extremely hard. Bastion mode is a beast.
And doing L4 missions for income when you can fly T2 battleships is... well...
Either fly incursions (but in a faction bs then, fly a nightmare/Machariel/Vindicator fully skilled and find yourself a group, or accounce you can fly a skilled T2 Logi and the groups find you) or go to 0.0 and make your income there. Both sources are better by far.
But really, being afraid of getting ganked in a Marauder in Highsec... that's near pitiful.
EVE is full af great friendly people. I dont get all the people who paints that bleak picture of the comunity, players and ingame antics. I have seen just as many idiots in the first games you mention as I have in EVE. EVE is no worse nor better than the rest. That EVE attracts shady people more that the other MMO's is a myth IMHO.
Thing is in most other games people have a choice if they want to face other players in combat... In EvE it is just to pray and hope for the best.
Even if your statement is true and Eve don´t have more shady people then other games.. they have way more power in in Eve then they have in for and example WoW. And power always attracts.
But as i pointed out, i have no problem recomending Eve to people looking for a new game. I just make sure i don´t make it someone´s first MMO. Because that would be stupid.
One of the things I never liked about this game's community. It has become so stagnant and inflexible that they don't either realize the game needs to evolve, or refuse to acknoledge any other game on this planet can draw any of its playerbase away (when at this point is mostly compromissed of bored bittervets with Stockholm syndrom).
The community is so embraced in their own fascism that it prevents from seeing its own crippling problems, let alone acknoledge what other games do better and learning from them.
Rememer, if a player doesn't like EVE, it's never the game's fault, that player was just too weak and the game they left for is for the weak. They also have an incredibly self boasted superiority complex to players of a certain game started with W. It's nevever the broken and inconsistent mechanics that need fixing or the sheer amount of griefing tools that prevent a new player from starting, it's always the 'sandbox in action' and 'emergent content'.
Eve can be a great game, but as long as the community doesn't evolve past this circlejerk and CCP doesn't develop a real vision and ambition to the game once again, it's going to stagnate more than it is right now. But it's ok, people will just parrot that having 500k subs, half of them being alts after 11 years is a role model for a sucessful game.
I am sure not everyone 'EVE loving' here is a spotty, hormone imbalanced teen but your posts sure do come across as such. The game is a cesspool and some people with posts here sound like they fit right in.
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Possibly true. In 2004, I was only ganked twice, both times in low or null sec space; and the second gank the pirate told me to stop firing; probably would have spared me if I did; and he gave me some useful advice after the fight on how to improve my ship. But another poster said earlier the community has gone severely down hill since then so not sure about today.
Luckily, i don't need you to like me to enjoy video games. -nariusseldon.
In F2P I think it's more a case of the game's trying to play the player's. -laserit
I will pay for a universe with some law and order and done chaos, but I won't pay for some primadonna to try to 'farm my tears'
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No, he's saying people that can use their head will have no issues paying for the game while not getting scammed or griefed.
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Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
I wish more people were like you. Don't like the game, don't play it trying to get the devs to change it just for you.
Now, if you would just stop posting in forums of games you don't like.
Blade if you are a complete idiot and kit out your PvE ship with top of the range bling you are gonna get bent over a rock because EVE is not a gear based game thus you build your ship for your task and when you fit it you fit it expecting to lose it and thus do so in such a way that is cost effective in terms of investment/effectiveness. If you are a mission runner fit a cap stable tank at around 400 DPS tank for frigates vs your rat type, 800 for cruisers and around 1200 for battleship class ships ( this is taking Sig radius and speed in consideration ) then you cram as much t2 firepower on your ship as you can fit and where slots are left also improve damage yield and/or application.
I only ever got ganked twice pveing: once in low sec and once in a wormhole , both times I laughed my ass off as nothing of value dropped and this is in a 7 year long career.
Yes I know this, I can farm mission 4 easily with my BS in non faction gear (I dont even need T2 weapons) , thats not the point. My point is lack of long term PVE goals and objectives where you only want to carebear - basically its about staying under the radar. I would love to use a paladin for example just because it looks really cool from a RP perspective, but I cant because it becomes a target purely out of spitefulness.
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
Exactly this...and this is why Eve is not a good PvE game and anyone that says it is is lying.
Not sure what your attitude has got to do with the poor state of PVE and griefing by arseholes in Hi-sec because of stale overly stable null sec play but you keep those fingers in your ears - There are no problems, all will be well when competition comes out for Eve, especially with delightful attitudes like yourself welcoming all into the community. 'Eve has some big issues atm.', 'PVP is drying up', 'you need Industrialists.' are recent statements that sprint to mind.
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
EVE is full af great friendly people. I dont get all the people who paints that bleak picture of the comunity, players and ingame antics. I have seen just as many idiots in the first games you mention as I have in EVE. EVE is no worse nor better than the rest. That EVE attracts shady people more that the other MMO's is a myth IMHO.
Eve does have great people, its also an amazing universe and game engine. However CCP have lost control of the griefing, and griefing is also rising because of stale null sec play. Finally Griefing in Eve is much more disruptive than any other game. Ofc Eve attracts more Shady people - it offers more shady gameplay.
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
Nah, people with your attitude being "griefed" means game work as intended.
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Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
Just FYI, tonight people were giving away tons of isk. No strings attached. I managed to score 1 billion dollars. No joke. I thought I was being scammed until it showed up in my wallet. That was a pleasant surprise as I only had 5 million starting the day (up to about 8 or 9) doing the Sisters of Eve missions.
Spent most of the day in .5 space with no issues and was invited out to come prance around nullsec with some neutral groups. Didn't take them up on that as I'm still skittish of most people in Eve but they're growing on me. Seems like 9/10's of the people are cool and chill and the other 1/10 is what you see videos about. But there are aholes in real life too so no excusing that.
Perhaps...but you want them to shut up, anyway.
Actually, it was because CCP was too lazy or too poor to enforce standards early on...what we see is a failure masquerading as a feature.
Yeah...because I'm sure you'd have billions of subscriptions if it was taken out....oh the horror! Just look at how the game is held back because of 0.5 and above! You should all be ashamed of yourselves.
More like "go anywhere you are allowed" and "do anything others want you to do." It's what usually happens when you let groups of players decide what goes on in someone else's property. They don't have to own it; they just have to let the id run wild.
In your dreams, perhaps, or (rather) in another's nightmare.
Not really unique...boringly typical, actually. The only difference is the timespan. In counterstrike, a n00b will get pwned in minutes. In this game, it may take days or months.
Only a fear if you care about the game. Those who don't care about EVE tend to do better in EVE.
Exactly why the people are posting, aren't they?
Your typical EVE griefer, pirate or scammer is actually too weak, too dumb, too privileged and too principled to do these kinds of things in reality. Hence, why they have to simulate it. But I do give the EVE players this much, the roles they choose give a window into their secret dreams and secret desires...what they would want to be if given a choice.
This is where I get confused...is this what our world is like? Or, rather, what our world would be like? I say neither.
EVE is, actually, a rather boring affair if you are in power. Hence, why they have to invent enemies and subversives out of average folks just getting by (the mission runner, the small Empire miner, the NPC corp player, the freighter owner who isn't part of a 0.0 alliance, the egalitarian). I'd go so far as to say that those who defend this game would think that EVE's society is an ideal model for our own, given the kind of order and guarantees New Eden gives them.
I mean, it is so simple to become a pawn in the machine that runs EVE. The EVE powers will give you everything (skillbooks, ships, direction) just as long as they like you and you do what they say. You don't have to make any decisions for yourself, and you can have it all. That is what "rule number one: join a good corp" is all about, isn't it? In other words, anyone who logs on Tranquility and refuses to graft themselves into some ordered, hierarchical power structure is considered a subversive (perhaps even subhuman) element that deserves to be stripped of his or her humanity...the crueler, the better. EVE is a fascism simulator, par excellence.
I'd go out on a limb and say that those who are driven to hold this game up as some sort of ideal model think that life would be better--for them, especially, if the masses can be managed through force, surveillance and intimidation in real life. Otherwise, we wouldn't have so much EVEangelization going on about New Eden's "virtues"...evangelization that always sounds muddled and confused, because it is a hard thing to defend what appears, to most people, to be indefensible.
And this last line just proves what I was saying in the above section. It is a plea not to "corrupt this immaculate world," while following with aspects that cannot be considered immaculate by a normal thinking person ("no holds barred, deception, profiteering, backstabbing"). If these are the "immaculate" and "incorruptible" virtues of New Eden, what would the "subversive" and "impure" vices of EVE, according to how the EVE defenders would have it?
Well, here's a few I can think of:
1) People expecting fun for their $15.
2) People expecting free-form gameplay for their $15.
3) People expecting development to make their game better.
4) People expecting tolerance.
5) People expecting progress towards their goals here.
6) People minding their own business.
7) People who enjoy diversity.
Did I leave any out?
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It's a 10 year old game... it is what it is. It has a reputation... brings people to the game, runs others away. It has survived this long, it will continue to survive.
You joined the Marine Corps son, the Marines didn't join you. If you wanted the easy life son, you would have joined the Air Force.
When Elite: Dangerous is released at the end of this year, Eve Online will become obsolescent and even more of a niche game than it is already.
The reason why Eve Online is climbing in the charts at the moment is because there hasn't been a good game released for months.
Just bear these things in mind before you invest time into Eve Online.
This prediction of course assumes that Elite:Dangerous doesn't suck...... miles to go before that is proven out.
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Yet people regularly fly Paladin's and other Mauraders on a regular basis, and even more spendy Pirate Faction BS's with fittings in the 4-5B ISK range.
What do they have that you don't? The willingness to take the risk I guess.
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
how an SP+MP game can replace an sandbox mmorpg game ? ... EVE is not game about space ships or sci-fi .EVE is game about players interactions .
if you talk about Repopulation ,I can understand ... but you mentioned an SP game with MP .. . you must to joking !
And probably some meta skills regarding fits. Ganking a Marauder in highsec is extremely hard. Bastion mode is a beast.
And doing L4 missions for income when you can fly T2 battleships is... well...
Either fly incursions (but in a faction bs then, fly a nightmare/Machariel/Vindicator fully skilled and find yourself a group, or accounce you can fly a skilled T2 Logi and the groups find you) or go to 0.0 and make your income there. Both sources are better by far.
But really, being afraid of getting ganked in a Marauder in Highsec... that's near pitiful.
Thing is in most other games people have a choice if they want to face other players in combat... In EvE it is just to pray and hope for the best.
Even if your statement is true and Eve don´t have more shady people then other games.. they have way more power in in Eve then they have in for and example WoW. And power always attracts.
But as i pointed out, i have no problem recomending Eve to people looking for a new game. I just make sure i don´t make it someone´s first MMO. Because that would be stupid.
This have been a good conversation
One of the things I never liked about this game's community. It has become so stagnant and inflexible that they don't either realize the game needs to evolve, or refuse to acknoledge any other game on this planet can draw any of its playerbase away (when at this point is mostly compromissed of bored bittervets with Stockholm syndrom).
The community is so embraced in their own fascism that it prevents from seeing its own crippling problems, let alone acknoledge what other games do better and learning from them.
Rememer, if a player doesn't like EVE, it's never the game's fault, that player was just too weak and the game they left for is for the weak. They also have an incredibly self boasted superiority complex to players of a certain game started with W. It's nevever the broken and inconsistent mechanics that need fixing or the sheer amount of griefing tools that prevent a new player from starting, it's always the 'sandbox in action' and 'emergent content'.
Eve can be a great game, but as long as the community doesn't evolve past this circlejerk and CCP doesn't develop a real vision and ambition to the game once again, it's going to stagnate more than it is right now. But it's ok, people will just parrot that having 500k subs, half of them being alts after 11 years is a role model for a sucessful game.
I am sure not everyone 'EVE loving' here is a spotty, hormone imbalanced teen but your posts sure do come across as such. The game is a cesspool and some people with posts here sound like they fit right in.
Stay in EVE and please don't leave.