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Mini Review of Archage

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  • RamanadjinnRamanadjinn Member UncommonPosts: 1,365
    Originally posted by AZHokie54

    Wait in line, or hope to tag quest mobs FAIL. Overall, just a terrible game. Nothing new, nothing special, same old garbage.

     

    Nobody ever claimed quests where the strongpoint of this game.

    People who love Archeage don't love it because they think standing in line to kill quest mobs on an overcrowded beta server is just the most fun they've ever had in an MMO.

  • KarbleKarble Member UncommonPosts: 750
    Originally posted by Randayn

    Scores are based on a scale of 1-10

    Mob Placement 0.1 – The mob placement when I got in game was insanely terrible.  It was downright lazy.  Just a cluster of the same mob all in one place so you could just keep hopping down the trail and completing the quests.

    Did you not read how your own score scale works? By your scale you can't grade something a 0.1.....it's a 1 or higher up to 10. This complaint is just silly and not even really worth debating

    Game world 2 – the minute I stepped in the game world I knew where I was….another horrible FTP game that has nothing to offer.  The game world is plain and boring…there is nothing that stood out whatsoever.

    It's huge with many different areas including mountains, jungles, desserts, islands, and much more with different towns and dungeons and styles. This should obviously be at least a 7 unless you are trolling

    Character and creation 4 – you get to do some pretty good work on the face, but nothing else.  No height adjuster so everyone is the same size.  Character movement is typical of a FTP grinder and the combat graphics aren’t much different.  Feels very stiff

    It's not stiff. Have you tried dancing and moving in different directions? How about riding a horse and watching the horses legs as you move around. I can agree about the character creation on height adjuster and give it a 7 for leaving that out.

    Combat 4 – Combat animations are standard fare, sometimes overdone, never underdone.   You cannot avoid attacks by movement which is something almost every new MMO has installed.  The issue is that this new design feature that most mmo’s now use seems like an upgrade and one that should be implemented in any new game if you are a good developer, so it really feels like lazy design rather than deliberate strategy. 

    This is not an action RPG. There are some ways you can actually get out of range in this game. Just have to learn a bit more.  This game is tab target similar to many other games.  You will find placement important in dungeons and large boss encounters.  This should be more of an 8 due to anyone knowing that for tab target, it's good.

    As a whole I had heard so many good things about this game, but the minute I stepped into the game world I felt as though I’d been fleeced.  The game was reminiscent of any other Asian grinder with no real rhyme or reason to anything, poor implementation of everything and lazy design implementation.  On top of all this there is a cash shop that will be needed as seen with Labor points, which happen to be something that should automatically set an alarm off in anyone’s head.  

    You don't need to use the cash shop. Just pay per month and you will have enough in game to be just fine. Many of today's mmo's hold your hand and guide you thru a story. This game has a questing system, but really it's more about the open ended path as you get higher level. I am sure you never got that far since you are used to the instant gratification and action rpg elements of other games and have no clue about how to even do content that is not 100% bread crumbed for you are story driven. This is not the game's fault, but more a fault of the advertizing for it.

    Did I play long enough to actually be able to make a fair review?  Yes, the game wasn’t just “not my thing”, or “good but not great”, it was downright terrible.  Didn’t matter how long I tortured myself for (I did it for 3 hours).  This game should be used for interrogation purposes.

    How high level did you get in 3 hours? Did you get your mount and your glyder and fly around? Did you get your farm and run your first trade pack? Tell us all about those aspects.....oh...didn't get to that stuff eh? lol  /review

    my comments in green. Sorry if I sound harsh, as I wasn't trying to be.

  • DemrocksDemrocks Member UncommonPosts: 136
    Originally posted by jesteralways
    We welcome a new age in these trifling times : the age of "mmo racist". "just another f2p ..." or "just another wow clone" or "just another ...", every time i read something like those all i can see is how narrow minded a person is, they should have their own definite term to describe them, so i came out with : mmo racist. Please give me some feedback guys. 

    Aye these new batch of poor mmo players are a thing of recent years.

    What amuses me the most is that i am glad these players wont play Archeage and if they did i am sure they would just be cannonfodder anyway.

    They hate it because they prolly cant pay a monthly sub and need to trash it as Pay to Win.

    They lack pvp skills so they get their arse handed to them at every turn.

    So whats left for these players ? they cant own a farm or plot, they cant take a tradepack from traderunners as they are mostly so bad at pvp they get their ass kicked.

    So now they are frustrated and throwing tantrums as Shit game / Asian trash / Pay to win.

     

    Makes me wonder if they find Archeage so shit that it aint worth to play it what else these mmo racists like ?

    Would like to hear from those people what mmo makes you warm and fuzzy ?

    What mmo is worthy of your precious time ?

    What mmo competes against a sandpark  /sandbox mmo with 23 proffesions and one persistent world where you create your own contend instead of the decade of WoW clones carrot on a stick designs ?

     

    Funny people around here, think its been awhile someting like Archeage came along.

    Have a good long wait on your next themepark WoW clone guys o/ 

  • Tyvolus4Tyvolus4 Member UncommonPosts: 192
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by Ezze902
    Originally posted by Mackaveli44
    I love ppl that make reviews based off playing games in the early lvls/stages of it...  Sorry but no one can make a sound legitimate "review" of a game, any game by playing so little of it(3 hrs is jack shit for an mmo... Sorry to say).  Especially the very beginning of a game...  That's like walking into a movie, watching 2 minutes of it and saying "oh this movie is shit". Not very logical. 

     

    When you've played as many mmos as most of us have, especially the OP (You can tell in his writing)... you can judge a mmo on a trailer.   Like you said... watching a 2 minute trailer of a movie, once you've watched enough you know if its gonna be bad or good.

    GG Transformers.

    Yeah, I mean, come on! After a few hours, you know when a game is good or not. I've always known. If I don't like the game after an hour or 2, I'm not going to like it after 30. OK, some people like AA, great. That doesn't mean those who don't can't have their say. If OP came in here hyping the game after 3 hrs, that post wouldn't be challenged, yet he has the same "lack" of experience to talk from as if his option were different.  That kind of reply is nothing more than an "I don't like your opinion so I'll find a reason to discredit it" post.

    If a game doesn't grab me right off the bat, I'm done. This opinion is not wrong either, I won't waste my time chasing "hype trains" if I won't enjoy the ride.

    that is all well and good, and I actually agree...My point of contention with OP, remains...don't write a review (mini) or otherwise when you didn't play the game long enougn to warrant its writing.

  • TyggsTyggs Member UncommonPosts: 456
    Originally posted by Tyvolus4
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by Ezze902
    Originally posted by Mackaveli44
    I love ppl that make reviews based off playing games in the early lvls/stages of it...  Sorry but no one can make a sound legitimate "review" of a game, any game by playing so little of it(3 hrs is jack shit for an mmo... Sorry to say).  Especially the very beginning of a game...  That's like walking into a movie, watching 2 minutes of it and saying "oh this movie is shit". Not very logical. 

     

    When you've played as many mmos as most of us have, especially the OP (You can tell in his writing)... you can judge a mmo on a trailer.   Like you said... watching a 2 minute trailer of a movie, once you've watched enough you know if its gonna be bad or good.

    GG Transformers.

    Yeah, I mean, come on! After a few hours, you know when a game is good or not. I've always known. If I don't like the game after an hour or 2, I'm not going to like it after 30. OK, some people like AA, great. That doesn't mean those who don't can't have their say. If OP came in here hyping the game after 3 hrs, that post wouldn't be challenged, yet he has the same "lack" of experience to talk from as if his option were different.  That kind of reply is nothing more than an "I don't like your opinion so I'll find a reason to discredit it" post.

    If a game doesn't grab me right off the bat, I'm done. This opinion is not wrong either, I won't waste my time chasing "hype trains" if I won't enjoy the ride.

    that is all well and good, and I actually agree...My point of contention with OP, remains...don't write a review (mini) or otherwise when you didn't play the game long enougn to warrant its writing.

    People play games to have fun. If a game isn't fun at level 1, it is wasted time. Developers have failed to see this flaw in nearly all recent MMOs. If I am not having fun directly after login, there are other things I can be doing. I don't play a game in hopes it may become fun later.

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  • StarIStarI Member UncommonPosts: 987
    Originally posted by Randayn
     

    I literally could not keep playing...only other time this happened is when I played RYL....no other game has ever been so intolerable to play

     

    Happened to me in Wildstar (quit at lvl14) and FFXIV (quit at lvl30).

    I'm usually fine at least with leveling to max level and enjoying the journey but couldn't do it with those games.

  • KreetureKreeture Member UncommonPosts: 59

    man, these guys that "play" a game for a few hours and decide they are knowledgeable enough to review it make me laugh. Seriously?? I mean 3 hours into ANY game and you have no idea what the game is about. Im not just talking about AA. (although i have played it to lvl 35 and enjoyed it quite a bit) Also - the leveling experience i found is different with different classes (quest and environment)

    If you fancy yourself some sort of reviewer or mmo expert advisor - PLAY the freaking game first!  ( just sayin :)  )

  • loulakiloulaki Member UncommonPosts: 944
    Originally posted by Randayn

    Scores are based on a scale of 1-10

    Mob Placement 0.1 – The mob placement when I got in game was insanely terrible.  It was downright lazy.  Just a cluster of the same mob all in one place so you could just keep hopping down the trail and completing the quests.

    Game world 2 – the minute I stepped in the game world I knew where I was….another horrible FTP game that has nothing to offer.  The game world is plain and boring…there is nothing that stood out whatsoever.

    Character and creation 4 – you get to do some pretty good work on the face, but nothing else.  No height adjuster so everyone is the same size.  Character movement is typical of a FTP grinder and the combat graphics aren’t much different.  Feels very stiff

    Combat 4 – Combat animations are standard fare, sometimes overdone, never underdone.   You cannot avoid attacks by movement which is something almost every new MMO has installed.  The issue is that this new design feature that most mmo’s now use seems like an upgrade and one that should be implemented in any new game if you are a good developer, so it really feels like lazy design rather than deliberate strategy. 

    As a whole I had heard so many good things about this game, but the minute I stepped into the game world I felt as though I’d been fleeced.  The game was reminiscent of any other Asian grinder with no real rhyme or reason to anything, poor implementation of everything and lazy design implementation.  On top of all this there is a cash shop that will be needed as seen with Labor points, which happen to be something that should automatically set an alarm off in anyone’s head.  

    Did I play long enough to actually be able to make a fair review?  Yes, the game wasn’t just “not my thing”, or “good but not great”, it was downright terrible.  Didn’t matter how long I tortured myself for (I did it for 3 hours).  This game should be used for interrogation purposes.

     

    this guy is a specialist and knows about mob placing !

    also his argument about game world was so well rounded i am impressed by his rationalist approach !

    also he introduces the fact that animations has to do with the payment model ! (lets see ESO, WoW, etc..)

    the combat which it lacks true this OP fails even this to understand that the game doesn't focus on the combat but on tons of other staff which other MMORPGs avoid although they clarify this genre ...

     

    awesome review, teach us master

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  • HabitualFrogStompHabitualFrogStomp Member UncommonPosts: 370

    lol Archeage review.

    Someone should write a review of MMO burnout junkies as a retort. I just can't be bothered because I'd rather masturbate.

  • SomeOldBlokeSomeOldBloke Member UncommonPosts: 2,167
    As it's free I will give it a try at launch. If I like it I will bung some money their direction... if not, next game please...
  • phoenix_genma_kenphoenix_genma_ken Member Posts: 34

    lol "review" just for bashing the hell out of it

    anw you dont know what u r missing and frankly i dont want you to be in this game

    cant wait for release and go all pirate mode with my mugiwara luffy crew

  • phoenix_genma_kenphoenix_genma_ken Member Posts: 34
    Originally posted by Talketzanto
    Originally posted by adderVXI
    Originally posted by Talketzanto
    Games great. I have not had that much fun since UO......its actually doesn't make me wanna log off after 2 mins like every other MMO I play/played

    Im in the same boat.  I couldnt log off.  I guess different strokes....

    AND to be honest I didn't even hear bad talk about the game in zone chat (odd for a beta). Everyone I talked to in game were saying how much they are enjoying it.

     

    I think these forums are now a place to complain rather then discuss the game

    lol this....

    i remember TERA beta..OMG nothing but troll chat day n night

    AA on the other...well nothing but praise...some trolling about the LP but thats its

    everyone loved the crafing,pvp,trading etc etc

    cant wait for the game to be released,they wil lget my money cause the game is just awesome

  • RandaynRandayn Member UncommonPosts: 904

    A couple things I wanted to clear up:

    1.        Again, I called it a mini-review because even if I tried, I could go no further.  So all it is is what I saw when I was in-game.

    2.       AA can have any mini-game, questing system, crafting or whatever it wants, that does not take away the fact that upon entering the world and exploring for a few hours, it is EASY to see that the game was slopped together and developed in a very lazy way.  Refer back to the game Risk Your Life (RYL).  Same thing and you definitely did not have to play for hours to figure it out.  The flaw is fundamental and starts at the first page of code and never ends.

    3.       I am not an ESO fanboi….read my posts on the game.  I stated that it was not worth the 60.00 price tag and was only a good game, not a great game.  I purchased it when the prices was reduced to 30.00.  The only game I’ll ever claim to be a fanboi of is Anarchy Online….don’t ever mess with that game :P

    4.       I understand the game is FTP, but that doesn’t mean they are free to create garbage.  They will have a cash shop and from the things Ive seen so far (gear having to be examined with labor points and pretty much everything else costing labor points) to running out of mana fast, they will cash in with the shop.  It’s already feeling P2W much like Forsaken World became by about level 30.  Take a look at up coming FTP titles like The Repopulation or current FTP games like SWTOR, AION, Mortal Online and Age of Conan and the detail put into these worlds and the structure around the game is thought out and intricately put together.  Enter AA and you see something that pales in comparison.

    5.       Mob placement is one of the first determining factors I make on any game.  The importance behind it is pretty underrated.  It sets the stage for immersion in a game world.  When there are 50 mobs all plopped (not placed..that’s too nice a word) into one small area and they are all identical, that comes off as lazy.  If this one, pretty important detail is disregarded, then what does that say about the rest of the game.  When it’s that bad, it’s not a coincidence or an accident….it’s a clear sign that the developers are not doing their job.   What’s even worse is when the friendly NPC’s are placed poorly, in which this game does as well.  They appear to be strewn straight across the path you are headed down with no rhyme or reason as to why they are where they are.

    6.       Im sure many will enjoy this game, either because they invested too much money in it not to, or they like grinding terribly placed mobs all day, or they enjoy disliking a game until level 30 where it “really heats up”….I just wanted to warn people that this game is not what it was hyped to be.  I actually thought AA would be Triple A….instead it’s DD…doo-doo

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  • FoobarxFoobarx Member Posts: 451

    My mini review of WoD...

     

    From what I have seen on MMO-Champion Online, the game looks just like WoW.  Since it requires a subscription, I won't be playing it.  Just wanted to tell everyone that the game is doo-doo and not to fall for all the hype.

  • DeathmachinePTDeathmachinePT Member UncommonPosts: 119

    Contrary to ESO or other themepark games you can't review them with few to no time put into it.

    I started having fun on Archeage after I got my first farm and starting to get into minning with this I started getting involved in the dynamic and player driver economy which was very fun then that takes you to naval and pvp which is what makes the game.

    But questing exists only for you to tour the continents and learn the game, the game would be better off without levels and progress would have been done by acquiring equipment and completing achievements.

    The game engine seems to allow pretty interesting dynamics quests especially due to the game verticality but for the exception of 1 or 2 it doesn't deliver or make use of the game engine capabilities.

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  • ReklawReklaw Member UncommonPosts: 6,495
    Originally posted by Randayn
    Originally posted by Reklaw
    Originally posted by Randayn
    Originally posted by Ezze902
    Originally posted by Mackaveli44
    I love ppl that make reviews based off playing games in the early lvls/stages of it...  Sorry but no one can make a sound legitimate "review" of a game, any game by playing so little of it(3 hrs is jack shit for an mmo... Sorry to say).  Especially the very beginning of a game...  That's like walking into a movie, watching 2 minutes of it and saying "oh this movie is shit". Not very logical. 

     

    When you've played as many mmos as most of us have, especially the OP (You can tell in his writing)... you can judge a mmo on a trailer.   Like you said... watching a 2 minute trailer of a movie, once you've watched enough you know if its gonna be bad or good.

    GG Transformers.

    Thanks, I appreciate that.  I've played at least 50 MMO's...probably more.  If you want a list I can give you it...it starts at EQ, AO and DAOC and probably most every other MMO after those.  I been there done that...it's very easy to tell what a good, great or horrible MMO is.  This, unfortunately, goes in horrible.  I wish it didnt....sounded very promising....but was baffled when I got in game.

    To be honost I am actually suprised seeing this "minireview" coming from a experianced MMORG player. But it coulde be just me thinking due to experiance you would have know not to judge a MMORPG when you're still in the learning curve....which seems to be at about level 30ish when it opens up. Yeah yeah a game needs to be 100% compeling in the first minutes....From experiance I know MMORPG's are not your typical "games" There for take time epecialy in a MMORPG that is more sandbox natured. 

    I saw this same behaviour in SWG where people only understood doing quest aka being guided but ignored most of what the game really was about.

    OP don't misunderstand me in saying you're wrong about your feeling about the game. It's just I expect abit more info even in a minireview especially from a vet. MMORPG player. 

    If it takes a vet to sniff out an aberration such as this game 30+ levels, then maybe you a good threshold for pain....I do not.  On top of that, if I had a dollar for everytime someone tried to defend a game by saying "you need to play it more" I'd be a millionaire.  When someone says this to me, it's a clear indication that I should never play that game again.

    If you added more things/feature you encountered/played ingame your minireview would have hold some weight. 

    If people want information about story/quest they seek out or atleast should look at MMORPG's that fit the Themepark segment, but for a game with sandbox feature's or is called sandbox there is allot more to talk about then just character creation. Your gameworld example didn't give any info how the world works or what it looked liked, just that's it's boring to you. Sorry but as said I just expect better from a veteran MMORPG gamer. Quest are often a backdrop in sandbox games but with your experiance you already knew that.....right?

     

    Don't get me wrong like you I currently enjoy Elder Scroll Online allot, but keeping a close eye on ArcheAge because of it's sandbox nature. Both completely different games because to me one is Themepark(ESO) the other is Sandbox (ArcheAge) there for it might be me to expect something different from a minireview of a more sandbox game by a veteran player

  • UzidukeUziduke Member UncommonPosts: 110

    Something Awful this way comes.

  • TalketzantoTalketzanto Member UncommonPosts: 205

    This guy was bashing the game long before he played beta (just look at his past forum post)...

    Why try a game if you thought it was trash long before you even got in game? You knew you wouldn't like it so why bother?

  • TyggsTyggs Member UncommonPosts: 456
    Originally posted by Talketzanto

    This guy was bashing the game long before he played beta (just look at his past forum post)...

    Why try a game if you thought it was trash long before you even got in game? You knew you wouldn't like it so why bother?

    I knew I wouldn't like EQ back when I was playing AC. Then I tried it and lost 3 years of my life.

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  • TalketzantoTalketzanto Member UncommonPosts: 205


    Originally posted by Tyggs

    Originally posted by Talketzanto This guy was bashing the game long before he played beta (just look at his past forum post)... Why try a game if you thought it was trash long before you even got in game? You knew you wouldn't like it so why bother?
    I knew I wouldn't like EQ back when I was playing AC. Then I tried it and lost 3 years of my life.
     

    My point is, if you knew the game didn't appeal to you and then you tried it and you were right..would you go to the forums and say "SEE I hated the game before, and I still hate it!"

    I don't get it

  • RandaynRandayn Member UncommonPosts: 904

    I hope you are not mentioning that I was bashing the game before I played it?  I never said a thing about it....just kept my eyes open.

    As for ESO, can everyone please drop it?  I said before, Im not comparing this to any game, I didnt treat it like a sandbox or themepark or any mix of the two.  I simply observed what had been created for me to see and do and I found it to be very sloppy and as another poster said, CHEAP.  

    The game is an insult to MMO players and those supporting the game by saying im stupid or didnt play long enough are an insult to MMO players as well.

    Those that continue to ignore most of what I say are just an insult to themselves.

     

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  • RamanadjinnRamanadjinn Member UncommonPosts: 1,365
    Originally posted by Randayn

    I hope you are not mentioning that I was bashing the game before I played it?  I never said a thing about it....just kept my eyes open.

    As for ESO, can everyone please drop it?  I said before, Im not comparing this to any game, I didnt treat it like a sandbox or themepark or any mix of the two.  I simply observed what had been created for me to see and do and I found it to be very sloppy and as another poster said, CHEAP.  

    The game is an insult to MMO players and those supporting the game by saying im stupid or didnt play long enough are an insult to MMO players as well.

    Those that continue to ignore most of what I say are just an insult to themselves.

     

     

    You're being very all or nothing and acting as if your opinion is the objective truth of the universe.

    That just isn't a good attitude to have, especially when reviewing a game.

    This is why you're getting so much hate.  It has nothing to do with the fact that you dont' like the game.  Those of us who love it don't really care if you like it.  Its the fact that you are on a crusade against the game because you believe it to be objectively bad on a fundamental level and thats where you're just wrong.

    You've given your opinion.  You expressed it without tact.  Its best to just move on.

    I suggest next time you review a game, cover what is good about it along with what is bad.  Try to be more open to other's viewpoints.  It helps your review not look like a hate speech.

  • RandaynRandayn Member UncommonPosts: 904

    I wasn't really concerned with present players.  Call me what you will, but I said what I wanted to say whether it was "PC" or not.  I wasn't trying to win friends or gain an audience...I never write reviews.  I just wanted to let people know that the game was poorly made and hype was 100% hype and nothing more.  Again, I was looking forward to this game....then I played it.  I LOVE sandbox games, but this isn't truly a sandbox, so for those that keep referring to it as such, please stop.

    You can give me review a -20, that doesnt change the fact that the game was poorly made

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  • TalketzantoTalketzanto Member UncommonPosts: 205


    Originally posted by Randayn I hope you are not mentioning that I was bashing the game before I played it?  I never said a thing about it....just kept my eyes open. As for ESO, can everyone please drop it?  I said before, Im not comparing this to any game, I didnt treat it like a sandbox or themepark or any mix of the two.  I simply observed what had been created for me to see and do and I found it to be very sloppy and as another poster said, CHEAP.   The game is an insult to MMO players and those supporting the game by saying im stupid or didnt play long enough are an insult to MMO players as well. Those that continue to ignore most of what I say are just an insult to themselves.  
     

    I had more fun in AA beta then I did in all 4 months of ESO....Your not here to "review" a game...Your here to bash anyone who does not play ESO

  • RamanadjinnRamanadjinn Member UncommonPosts: 1,365
    Originally posted by Randayn

    I wasn't really concerned with present players.  Call me what you will, but I said what I wanted to say whether it was "PC" or not.  I wasn't trying to win friends or gain an audience...I never write reviews.  I just wanted to let people know that the game was poorly made and hype was 100% hype and nothing more.  Again, I was looking forward to this game....then I played it.  I LOVE sandbox games, but this isn't truly a sandbox, so for those that keep referring to it as such, please stop.

    You can give me review a -20, that doesnt change the fact that the game was poorly made

     

    its not about being "PC."  Its about being honest.

    I hated ESO.  I felt it was a cheap copy/paste of every other game out there.  I cancelled my sub the first week on release and I haven't played ESO since.  I know that i'll never go back because I hated the game on such a fundamental level that I knew there was nothing the devs could ever do aside from deleting and remaking the whole game that would ever bring me back.  But none of this is becaues the game is actually fundamentally bad.  It is just that it isn't my style of game personally.

    Yet because I am honest I could rattle off at least 5 things that I like about ESO that are genuinely and truly good about the game.  

    If I were to review the game I would have to take into account that not everyone is me.  Not everyone has my values.  

    I have to understand that some people want to play a game more like ESO.  If i'm going to review ESO I have to let the reader know what kind of player I am and why the game doesn't mix with me.  

    If I fail to do any of that, it isn't because i'm not "PC."  Its because i'm bad at reviewing games.  And then if others disagree it isn't because they are stupid or don't understand MMORPGs.  Its because they have different tastes.

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