Originally posted by ste2000 The reason why the MMO industry got so bad is because players today are so naive. Some of the replies trying to justify SoE are just pathetic. SoE simply do not have a clue on how to make money without alienating its customers, just look at its history. Trion charged £ 150 for Archeage Alpha, the game releases in aboit a month time and they didn't disvount their founder pack, they've been honest with their early supporters. $oE on the other hand can't think straight, it is all about making short term money, they never think on the long term. They are very bad at marketing their products, they never learn.
The funny part about this post is the people you attempt to criticize are essentially saying what you are, who has really defended SOE? No one that I've seen, they're pointing out the way business works, and the follies of being as you put it "Naive", it doesn't matter whether a company lowers it's price or not, at least not in this case, the problem is charging 50+ or 100+ in the first place to test ...key word being *Test* a F2P game. If that option weren't a part of it why would people pay it? That's what it's all about.
The goal is to make a significant cash in pre-release in any case of this. Trion is no better than SOE, trying to justify it based on your own "principle" (basically who you'll give money to) is missing the forest for the trees, either way they're cashing in, however they can. As for bad marketing, what do you mean?
How many are complaining that trion are charging that much? Many... How many would like them to lower that price as time grows shorter? I'm sure just as many, what you call bad marketing is good marketing on SOE's behalf... for the consumer ? For those who would like that drop it's great I'm sure. Those who would pay that larger fee already have. More money from those in the middle..before they let in everyone who won't pay at all? Not bad at all.
I just love the cherry picking people do when it comes to companies, not to mention those who condemn others for "defending some company" are usually the worst offenders of it and it doesn't even seem they know it.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Things go on sale all the time. People pay full price for games just to have them go on sale the very next week.
Get over it.
Edited 'cause I misspelled a word. Don't want the spelling Nazi's after me.
That said, founders packs are not normally among the things that go on sale. I could see where it would anger someone greatly. And, quite frankly, it does rather defy the purpose of a founders pack.
I payed 15k $ for my car. Year later same car with better equipement costs 10k $
I got ripped off !
Car company owes me a brand new car.
Dont be silly.
Ofcourse there was going to be a sale. Shame people payed 100$ for it, but thats life. Payed 100$ for F2P game no less
I see a lot of people comparing apples to oranges like mindless robots. Apples are not like oranges so what is your point? Misdirection? Confusion?
My point was - fact that you, or anyone else payed 100$ for founder pack does not mean it will never go on sale.
You payed premium price for product, it was your choice. Like any buyer it was your decision as a person to knowingly buy said product for 100$.
Fact that product went on sale days later changes nothing. Price was negotiated with you by being displayed at time of purchase. You decided 100$ is a fair compensation for goods received. Fact price changed means SOE is negotiating a dferent price with other would be customers. This does not make you "ripped off", like I said before you received goods for agreed upon price.
I payed 15k $ for my car. Year later same car with better equipement costs 10k $
I got ripped off !
Car company owes me a brand new car.
Dont be silly.
Ofcourse there was going to be a sale. Shame people payed 100$ for it, but thats life. Payed 100$ for F2P game no less
I see a lot of people comparing apples to oranges like mindless robots. Apples are not like oranges so what is your point? Misdirection? Confusion?
My point was - fact that you, or anyone else payed 100$ for founder pack does not mean it will never go on sale.
You payed premium price for product, it was your choice. Like any buyer it was your decision as a person to knowingly buy said product for 100$.
Fact that product went on sale days later changes nothing. Price was negotiated with you by being displayed at time of purchase. You decided 100$ is a fair compensation for goods received. Fact price changed means SOE is negotiating a dferent price with other would be customers. This does not make you "ripped off", like I said before you received goods for agreed upon price.
Thats how free market works.
Is it nice ? No.
Is it fair ? Yes.
Agreed, except I'd say Fair? No... it's simply how the free market works it's not designed to be fair. It's about nothing more than what you will pay.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
If you logged in, enjoyed it anyways what's the problem. If they decided to cancel the project I would still feel I got my moneys worth. You will be able to purchase it for $10 worth of sc one day in the future.
Isn't this kind of thing something that always happens? will people also be complaining when the Archeage founder packs go on sale at a much reduced price closer to launch? I think people have 2 choices really, buy or not buy, its inevitable that at some point in the future, whatever you bought will be available for a cheaper price. Its just business at the end of the day, i think the initial price these founder packs are released at is a bit OTT personally, and that the eventual 'discounted' rate is more of a reflection of their true value, but people by now should be going into these deals with their eyes open.
Originally posted by Aztec "... One would think that SOE would not be so stupid as to alienate their loyal customers but they are. I just left them for good as this is probably how they will handle most situations, poorly.
I am surprised that you didn't know about the current trend on MMO games considering you've been a member since 2004. You should have waited for a sale to pop up; I did... and got the $99 pack for $33. Sales usually aren't announced prior to being released especially with video games. You either wait for a sale or you don't.
Originally posted by Aztec SOE just ripped off all the founders of the game by making a 66% off sale for all founders packs. Most of these people paid 100- bucks for something that is now 33-. SOE does not even care and is covering up the rage on their forums by banning everyone who speaks negatively about the 66% off sale. One would think that SOE would not be so stupid as to alienate their loyal customers but they are. I just left them for good as this is probably how they will handle most situations, poorly.
Translation: I am butt hurt because I didn't want to be patient and wait.
If you believe enough in the game and want to play it "Right Now", then you pay the full price and no regrets. You can also play the waiting game like a poster mentioned above and potentially get a good deal, but you have to wait for it. In this case, you would have waited like 6 months from the start of alpha.
People have already told you how to get your money back. Stop whining and do a charge back and stop buying alpha access, thinking it makes you a special little snowflake.
I'll be buying EQN alpha access (did not purchase anything for Landmark) because I have high hopes and I am a huge fan of the EQ franchise. I won't come here and whine like a big ole baby if they put that shit on sale later on.
Originally posted by Aztec You are right. I should have known better to even buy the game as soon as I knew 2 things: Cash Shop and Free to Play.
Hindsight is 20/20
This is not hindsight at all. We all know that free to play games are anything but free to play. In fact, they are the most expensive games to play. To enjoy the game you have to buy a lot of cash shop stuff. They make you NEED it. You have to have it. They build the addiction and you need it more. Now you are spending 2000- a year on a game! How did that happen?
Originally posted by Elandrial anyone who wants to put down 100-150 on a game that is NOT out yet,needs to talk to me,i have this beach front property in kansas for sale. you knew the price you bought it.life happens,at that time you must have thought it was worth that much.
Hey wait a minute I live in Kansas! No wonder we have no beach front property left, you keep selling it!:P
Originally posted by AmbrosiaAmor I am surprised that you didn't know about the current trend on MMO games considering you've been a member since 2004. You should have waited for a sale to pop up; I did... and got the $99 pack for $33. Sales usually aren't announced prior to being released especially with video games. You either wait for a sale or you don't.
Exactly and there's a reason behind that, if they say next month it will be 33, no one would buy at 99..
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
You bought a product at the offered price. You got all items included in the offer. Can you point out the ripoff to me? People paid full price for ESO. You can now get it for 50% of the original price. Were they ripped off too?
Originally posted by Aztec I had the trailblazer pack for 2 weeks before the sale happened. So did I benefit, yes. However, I bought the most expensive pack for the virtual items not in the lesser packs. If I just wanted access I would have paid 20- for the cheapest one. Now my investment of 100- two weeks ago is now for sale for 33-. I do not think anyone expected to see founders packs go on sale. I think most though they would stop selling them and the items would be exclusive to founders. This is such an obvious money grab and it hurts the founders as the exclusivity is lost now and the edge they paid for.
So you were buying exclusivity and an edge... no wonder it went on sale.
The OP is wrong, I bought the Trailblazer pack the first day it came out. Some how my life has not been affected by the sale. I've also purchased other video games sometimes a week before they went on sale. I had an "oh darn" moment, but some how I still survived and got the same product I had already purchased.
If the OP hadn't already bought the Founder's Pack how much you want to bet his post would read
"Founder's Packs on sale! 66% off! Go get them now! Wow! SOE is so awesome what a great price now!"
Welcome to the real world OP, this happens all the time. There would never be any sale ever if they had to worry about anyone feeling ripped off because they bought it at full price.
I didn't sign on for this and don't see myself ever doing so, but wasn't the whole point of the founders back then for the exclusivity of it?
Seems like a pretty shady move.
From the SOE website:
Founder's Packs grant you unrestricted access to the Landmark Closed Beta, so you can help create the world of Landmark.
Purchase a Founder's Pack! Join us now, stake your claim and help build EverQuest Next
They never promised they would not change in price. They never promised "Exclusivity", which amounts to people wanting a different status quo when the game goes live. You are paying to test a game and for some online goodies. Them lowering the price will get more people in the game, more testing done, and more progress toward a release. This is a good thing in my opinion.
Originally posted by Greymantle4 I figured they didn't get the sales they thought they would so time for a sale to get more money.
Amazing! SOE like many other developers and publishers are chasing the monitizing of Betas and now this hopefully is a sign that people see through the money grab of what use to be a way to get good feedback during DEVELOPMENT STAGES.
I am all for a company being able to make money and a profit. I will support any company that shows ethical ways of doing that. For me these types of attempts to garnish extra income are just wrong. Now you have other games doing it to the point that a simple localization goes into alpha, beta and "buy my founder's pack" stages.
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The funny part about this post is the people you attempt to criticize are essentially saying what you are, who has really defended SOE? No one that I've seen, they're pointing out the way business works, and the follies of being as you put it "Naive", it doesn't matter whether a company lowers it's price or not, at least not in this case, the problem is charging 50+ or 100+ in the first place to test ...key word being *Test* a F2P game. If that option weren't a part of it why would people pay it? That's what it's all about.
The goal is to make a significant cash in pre-release in any case of this. Trion is no better than SOE, trying to justify it based on your own "principle" (basically who you'll give money to) is missing the forest for the trees, either way they're cashing in, however they can. As for bad marketing, what do you mean?
How many are complaining that trion are charging that much? Many... How many would like them to lower that price as time grows shorter? I'm sure just as many, what you call bad marketing is good marketing on SOE's behalf... for the consumer ? For those who would like that drop it's great I'm sure. Those who would pay that larger fee already have. More money from those in the middle..before they let in everyone who won't pay at all? Not bad at all.
I just love the cherry picking people do when it comes to companies, not to mention those who condemn others for "defending some company" are usually the worst offenders of it and it doesn't even seem they know it.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
That said, founders packs are not normally among the things that go on sale. I could see where it would anger someone greatly. And, quite frankly, it does rather defy the purpose of a founders pack.
I see a lot of people comparing apples to oranges like mindless robots. Apples are not like oranges so what is your point? Misdirection? Confusion?
My point was - fact that you, or anyone else payed 100$ for founder pack does not mean it will never go on sale.
You payed premium price for product, it was your choice. Like any buyer it was your decision as a person to knowingly buy said product for 100$.
Fact that product went on sale days later changes nothing. Price was negotiated with you by being displayed at time of purchase. You decided 100$ is a fair compensation for goods received. Fact price changed means SOE is negotiating a dferent price with other would be customers. This does not make you "ripped off", like I said before you received goods for agreed upon price.
Thats how free market works.
Is it nice ? No.
Is it fair ? Yes.
Agreed, except I'd say Fair? No... it's simply how the free market works it's not designed to be fair. It's about nothing more than what you will pay.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Exclusivity for 100$? You sure are naive for a 40y old...
This isn't a signature, you just think it is.
HAHA, it really does say it all doesn't it, typical "throw around money for special treatment" mentality. He wanted his own personal yacht club.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Three words: Star Wars Galaxies.
That is all.
This whole industry wide "pre-alpha, alpha, beta, closed beta, early access" GARBAGE has to go.
I would like to buy your game when it is released. You know, how it should be.
Anything that is "pre" anything is automatically ignored by me.
If more people would use their brains game companies wouldn't be bending us over all of the time and releasing substandard product.
In all my years, I never bought founder stuff that went on sale. Founder stuff never went on sale as far as I can recall.
Translation: I am butt hurt because I didn't want to be patient and wait.
If you believe enough in the game and want to play it "Right Now", then you pay the full price and no regrets. You can also play the waiting game like a poster mentioned above and potentially get a good deal, but you have to wait for it. In this case, you would have waited like 6 months from the start of alpha.
People have already told you how to get your money back. Stop whining and do a charge back and stop buying alpha access, thinking it makes you a special little snowflake.
I'll be buying EQN alpha access (did not purchase anything for Landmark) because I have high hopes and I am a huge fan of the EQ franchise. I won't come here and whine like a big ole baby if they put that shit on sale later on.
GOOD DAY
How did it happen? One word Greed.
Hey wait a minute I live in Kansas! No wonder we have no beach front property left, you keep selling it!:P
Exactly and there's a reason behind that, if they say next month it will be 33, no one would buy at 99..
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
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So you were buying exclusivity and an edge... no wonder it went on sale.
The OP is wrong, I bought the Trailblazer pack the first day it came out. Some how my life has not been affected by the sale. I've also purchased other video games sometimes a week before they went on sale. I had an "oh darn" moment, but some how I still survived and got the same product I had already purchased.
If the OP hadn't already bought the Founder's Pack how much you want to bet his post would read
"Founder's Packs on sale! 66% off! Go get them now! Wow! SOE is so awesome what a great price now!"
Welcome to the real world OP, this happens all the time. There would never be any sale ever if they had to worry about anyone feeling ripped off because they bought it at full price.
I didn't sign on for this and don't see myself ever doing so, but wasn't the whole point of the founders back then for the exclusivity of it?
Seems like a pretty shady move.
From the SOE website:
Founder's Packs grant you unrestricted access to the Landmark Closed Beta, so you can help create the world of Landmark.
Purchase a Founder's Pack! Join us now, stake your claim and help build EverQuest Next
They never promised they would not change in price. They never promised "Exclusivity", which amounts to people wanting a different status quo when the game goes live. You are paying to test a game and for some online goodies. Them lowering the price will get more people in the game, more testing done, and more progress toward a release. This is a good thing in my opinion.
SWTOR Referral Link
Free Goodies for new or returning players.
See what it gets you Here
Amazing! SOE like many other developers and publishers are chasing the monitizing of Betas and now this hopefully is a sign that people see through the money grab of what use to be a way to get good feedback during DEVELOPMENT STAGES.
I am all for a company being able to make money and a profit. I will support any company that shows ethical ways of doing that. For me these types of attempts to garnish extra income are just wrong. Now you have other games doing it to the point that a simple localization goes into alpha, beta and "buy my founder's pack" stages.