Originally posted by SEANMCADcoming from a game like Wurm what really bothered me about the ArcheAge housing system (among other things) is that there is PLENTY of open land that is not being used, but its not accessible.The only reason I can think why they did it the way they have is because the WANT people on top of each other and they WANT not everyone to have a home. Why? I have no idea but never the less that is one reason they lost this customer.If you have dreams of having a hidden home far away from the masses of others...this game will not work for you
There are hidden places for houses. Where you can place only 1 -2 houses Then there are islands, the big ones can have like 10 houses, the small ones less.
Like I said, I spent about 4-6 hours doing nothing but exploring. what did I find?A TON of unused space that didnt allow me to plant a house. That is silly
I don't think it is silly.I recall an interview where one of the Star Wars Galaxies people (don't remember who) made a quick quip that they "gave people the ability to build anywhere they wanted and they did".This was in regard to having issues with open world housing.Should the entire world just become a ghetto for housing
A few items 1. I found TONS of open land hidden away behind a mountain that was a little hard to get to. Most people are not even going to see that area, let alone how it looks. 2. what is worse? housing randomly all over the place OR housing dry humping each other and several players not able to get a house.
Granted Wurm can be a mess with stuff all over the place but some where inbetween the radical real sandbox of Wurm and ArcheAge must be able to be figured out...I mean come on!
I'm all for freeing up land where it can be made free. Additionally, there is no reason why the places you found "hidden" can't be made housing.
but I'd prefer the devs to be more frugal about where they allow players to build and mete out lots in a controlled manner.
I disagree, and that with a whole host of other reasons is why I quit playing
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Originally posted by SEANMCADcoming from a game like Wurm what really bothered me about the ArcheAge housing system (among other things) is that there is PLENTY of open land that is not being used, but its not accessible.The only reason I can think why they did it the way they have is because the WANT people on top of each other and they WANT not everyone to have a home. Why? I have no idea but never the less that is one reason they lost this customer.If you have dreams of having a hidden home far away from the masses of others...this game will not work for you
There are hidden places for houses. Where you can place only 1 -2 houses Then there are islands, the big ones can have like 10 houses, the small ones less.
Like I said, I spent about 4-6 hours doing nothing but exploring. what did I find?A TON of unused space that didnt allow me to plant a house. That is silly
I don't think it is silly.I recall an interview where one of the Star Wars Galaxies people (don't remember who) made a quick quip that they "gave people the ability to build anywhere they wanted and they did".This was in regard to having issues with open world housing.Should the entire world just become a ghetto for housing
A few items 1. I found TONS of open land hidden away behind a mountain that was a little hard to get to. Most people are not even going to see that area, let alone how it looks. ....
You only have to pay 50 bucks to get head start access. I'm probably going to do that and most people seriously interested in the game probably should so they get their land.]
You get 20 bucks of credits and 15 sub for the first month too so it comes out to 15 bucks for the head start.
Plus if you don't have a beta key it will get you into the closed betas.
Only reason I haven't yet is I have a closed beta key, so I'm waiting to see if it's discounted a little. If they reduce it to 40 bucks then it's really a no-brainer paying 5 for early access.
Originally posted by Rylah Ok.... and where exactly is the problem there? This is not a communist utopia where everybody is entitled to own land. Furthermore there is a lot of space in the open world to build houses and farms. It's definitely not as convenient as planting your house / crow in the starting area, but... so?
I understand what you are saying, but the "entitled" feeling goes both ways. The players are not entitled, but the game companies are also not entitled to anyone's money. Now with that said, I can afford not to play a game if I choice, but can a game company afford for no one to play their game? No...so they must balance this, because we all know the players will not balance their expatations. There is way too many options now a days for them to even have to consider that.
Originally posted by Rylah Ok.... and where exactly is the problem there? This is not a communist utopia where everybody is entitled to own land. Furthermore there is a lot of space in the open world to build houses and farms. It's definitely not as convenient as planting your house / crow in the starting area, but... so?
I understand what you are saying, but the "entitled" feeling goes both ways. The players are not entitled, but the game companies are also not entitled to anyone's money. Now with that said, I can afford not to play a game if I choice, but can a game company afford for no one to play their game? No...so they must balance this, because we all know the players will not balance their expatations. There is way too many options now a days for them to even have to consider that.
Yeah, "players have the power" !
If they all felt as you did, the Alpha server for AA would be a ghost town filled with tumbleweeds. However, the Alpha server became so overloaded with players who had bought $150 Founder packs, that Trion had to open an ADDITIONAL server to accommodate them ! And that second server is now so full that a third is needed...
Apparently, your feeling that "there are way too many options now a days" for players to be "forced" to spend money on a game is not shared by the hordes of $150 Founders in AA.
Originally posted by Rylah Ok.... and where exactly is the problem there? This is not a communist utopia where everybody is entitled to own land. Furthermore there is a lot of space in the open world to build houses and farms. It's definitely not as convenient as planting your house / crow in the starting area, but... so?
I understand what you are saying, but the "entitled" feeling goes both ways. The players are not entitled, but the game companies are also not entitled to anyone's money. Now with that said, I can afford not to play a game if I choice, but can a game company afford for no one to play their game? No...so they must balance this, because we all know the players will not balance their expatations. There is way too many options now a days for them to even have to consider that.
Yeah, "players have the power" !
If they all felt as you did, the Alpha server for AA would be a ghost town filled with tumbleweeds. However, the Alpha server became so overloaded with players who had bought $150 Founder packs, that Trion had to open an ADDITIONAL server to accommodate them ! And that second server is now so full that a third is needed...
Apparently, your feeling that "there are way too many options now a days" for players to be "forced" to spend money on a game is not shared by the hordes of $150 Founders in AA.
I think you felt an unnecessary sudden and strong urge to rush to ArcheAge's defense. I think the doctor's call this a case of the fanboys. I was not attacking the game. In fact I purchased one of those $150 founders packs.
Take a breath and slow down for a moment. What I said was a counter to the argument that is presented many times for many different games that the players are not entitled. All I said was no the players are not entitled to anything, but the game companies are also not entitled to anyone's money. Fact is the MMO market is over saturated, so the power is currently with the players. If they don't like something they have lots of other options they can go play and give their money to. Bottom line is I can afford to chose not to play any game I want and have plenty of other options. Can the game company afford for everyone to chose another game?
Now with the peace of mind that I was not attacking the game you are currently enjoying....get off the forums and go back and play the game.
Is housing really a problem? Once the dust settles down, the people who have 4 or 5 plots will not be able to keep up with the taxes.
They could spent real money on the certificates, but how many people are goin to be spending $15 a month, plus more dollars on top of that to keep house plots and farms? How many people are goin to be spending $30 to $50 on a F2P game? Not I. Ill sub, i like what i get from patron, but $50 a month for a F2P game? Really? Maybe Im wrong. More power to Trion then.
Taxes go up exponentially, not linear. After 3 plots it gets crazy expensive. Even if you have alts, your LP is shared by account on a server.
since you seem pretty ignorant about the game let me educate you.. Tax certs can be bought with loyalty points and through the auction house for ingame gold.
If they don't like something they have lots of other options they can go play and give their money to.
That is relative. Sure we have plenty of mmos out there, but mmos like Archeage (a AAA sandbox mmo PVP focused) we have NONE.
So, to us, Archeage is the only option and monopolizes our market for the moment.
Well then it sounds like you like what you are playing, so you have no reason to look elsewhere or leave.
My point was simply to offer a different view from the players prospective for the frequent "entitled" argument that gets thrown around so much. Simply trying to say the player might not be entitled to anything, but they do have lots of options. This was never a criticism of ArcheAge, it was a counter to the "entitled" comment.
You just described a "Garden of Eden" for the RMT industry.
RMT, botting, endless goldspam will plague this game from the start.
And as this game will be F2P hybrid, TRION won't be able to do anything about it. /shrug
What do you mean "Will be?", If you've watched any of the videos and / or streams that show the chat, the gold-spammers have been there since first days of alpha and they still are.
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I disagree, and that with a whole host of other reasons is why I quit playing
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*COUGH* Secret farm. *COUGH*
You only have to pay 50 bucks to get head start access. I'm probably going to do that and most people seriously interested in the game probably should so they get their land.]
You get 20 bucks of credits and 15 sub for the first month too so it comes out to 15 bucks for the head start.
Plus if you don't have a beta key it will get you into the closed betas.
Only reason I haven't yet is I have a closed beta key, so I'm waiting to see if it's discounted a little. If they reduce it to 40 bucks then it's really a no-brainer paying 5 for early access.
I understand what you are saying, but the "entitled" feeling goes both ways. The players are not entitled, but the game companies are also not entitled to anyone's money. Now with that said, I can afford not to play a game if I choice, but can a game company afford for no one to play their game? No...so they must balance this, because we all know the players will not balance their expatations. There is way too many options now a days for them to even have to consider that.
Yeah, "players have the power" !
If they all felt as you did, the Alpha server for AA would be a ghost town filled with tumbleweeds. However, the Alpha server became so overloaded with players who had bought $150 Founder packs, that Trion had to open an ADDITIONAL server to accommodate them ! And that second server is now so full that a third is needed...
Apparently, your feeling that "there are way too many options now a days" for players to be "forced" to spend money on a game is not shared by the hordes of $150 Founders in AA.
I think you felt an unnecessary sudden and strong urge to rush to ArcheAge's defense. I think the doctor's call this a case of the fanboys. I was not attacking the game. In fact I purchased one of those $150 founders packs.
Take a breath and slow down for a moment. What I said was a counter to the argument that is presented many times for many different games that the players are not entitled. All I said was no the players are not entitled to anything, but the game companies are also not entitled to anyone's money. Fact is the MMO market is over saturated, so the power is currently with the players. If they don't like something they have lots of other options they can go play and give their money to. Bottom line is I can afford to chose not to play any game I want and have plenty of other options. Can the game company afford for everyone to chose another game?
Now with the peace of mind that I was not attacking the game you are currently enjoying....get off the forums and go back and play the game.
since you seem pretty ignorant about the game let me educate you.. Tax certs can be bought with loyalty points and through the auction house for ingame gold.
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I miss DAoC
That is relative. Sure we have plenty of mmos out there, but mmos like Archeage (a AAA sandbox mmo PVP focused) we have NONE.
So, to us, Archeage is the only option and monopolizes our market for the moment.
why is Darkfall not on that list?
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Because it's not AAA and not "sandboxy" enough (is more like a PVP arena).
Well then it sounds like you like what you are playing, so you have no reason to look elsewhere or leave.
My point was simply to offer a different view from the players prospective for the frequent "entitled" argument that gets thrown around so much. Simply trying to say the player might not be entitled to anything, but they do have lots of options. This was never a criticism of ArcheAge, it was a counter to the "entitled" comment.
odd..
farms? check
housing? check
crafting? check
boats? check
boat seiges? check
clan strongholds? check
clan stronghold seiges? check
trade routes? check
treasure hunts? check
darkfall has all these
its almost as if AA actually took their ideas from DF
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AAA? uncheck
I dont know the real extension and deepness of the DF sandbox tools, but i guess is far fewer than AA's.
AAA uncheck is fair enough, although it kind of depends on what you expect from a AAA. If its graphics then Darkfall is pretty fucking sweet looking.
That said, I am nearly positive AA took features from Darkfall actually. Like the treasure hunting...and boat combat...oh my god is just like it.
indies typically put in MORE features then AAA games do...as an FYI but to be fair I dont know the full 'sub-feature' list of AA
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Well I guess this will be a good-bye post then? No need to waste time here when you have found "Nirvana" in Darkfall ...it's been a slice
What do you mean "Will be?", If you've watched any of the videos and / or streams that show the chat, the gold-spammers have been there since first days of alpha and they still are.