30 fps lock unacceptable

SEANMCAD

There is only one reason I can think of to lock a machine to 30 fps when said machine can go up to 60 and that is to make it appear as if PCs are not any better than consoles.

1080p at 30fps is a flat out joke for 2014 period...full stop...

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-08-26-the-crew-has-artificial-30fps-lock-on-pc

 

 

kabitoshin

Game looks really good and handles well and the frames rate drops are non existent soo this doesn't bother me as long as it's smooth.

Pepeq

Well for years people have been watching movies at 24 FPS and TV at 30 FPS.  Your brain is capable of filling in the missing frames... 60 FPS+ is overkill.  

rojoArcueid

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

There is only one reason I can think of to lock a machine to 30 fps when said machine can go up to 60 and that is to make it appear as if PCs are not any better than consoles.

1080p at 30fps is a flat out joke for 2014 period...full stop...

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-08-26-the-crew-has-artificial-30fps-lock-on-pc

 

 

didnt Ubisoft said that in other words in the past? That they screw up PC gamers so the console players dont stay behind with the weaker platform? Im pretty sure they said that on an interview. They seem to ignore PC gamers spend a lot more money on a gaming PC than the cost of a console, and they still want to pretend they have to be similar in performance.

 

I love both consoles and PC but Ubisoft can be very pathetic sometimes. Lately most often than not.

SEANMCAD

Originally posted by kabitoshin
Game looks really good and handles well and the frames rate drops are non existent soo this doesn't bother me as long as it's smooth.

it bugs me because it means technology is being held back. We just try extra hard to keep ourselves behind for reasons I dont understand

SEANMCAD

Originally posted by rojoArcueid

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

There is only one reason I can think of to lock a machine to 30 fps when said machine can go up to 60 and that is to make it appear as if PCs are not any better than consoles.

1080p at 30fps is a flat out joke for 2014 period...full stop...

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-08-26-the-crew-has-artificial-30fps-lock-on-pc

 

 

didnt Ubisoft said that in other words in the past? That they screw up PC gamers so the console players dont stay behind with the weaker platform? Im pretty sure they said that on an interview. They seem to ignore PC gamers spend a lot more money on a gaming PC than the cost of a console, and they still want to pretend they have to be similar in performance.

 

I love both consoles and PC but Ubisoft can be very pathetic sometimes. Lately most often than not.

pure evil.

the only thing good that can come from this is that it will make it even easier for indies to make better PC games than the AAA.

 

and it makes it easier for Steam Machines to outperform existing consoles next year.

 

SEANMCAD

Originally posted by allday88

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by rojoArcueid

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

There is only one reason I can think of to lock a machine to 30 fps when said machine can go up to 60 and that is to make it appear as if PCs are not any better than consoles.

1080p at 30fps is a flat out joke for 2014 period...full stop...

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-08-26-the-crew-has-artificial-30fps-lock-on-pc

 

 

didnt Ubisoft said that in other words in the past? That they screw up PC gamers so the console players dont stay behind with the weaker platform? Im pretty sure they said that on an interview. They seem to ignore PC gamers spend a lot more money on a gaming PC than the cost of a console, and they still want to pretend they have to be similar in performance.

 

I love both consoles and PC but Ubisoft can be very pathetic sometimes. Lately most often than not.

pure evil.

the only thing good that can come from this is that it will make it even easier for indies to make better PC games than the AAA.

 

and it makes it easier for Steam Machines to outperform existing consoles next year.

 

 

Well good luck with that...we can all dream right?

You are aware that 100s of indie developers have already signed up with Sony and MS to create games for those systems, yet in your dream somehow this is going to make indie games better?

Hmm you know what will make indie games better? When they actually start making money...there was a report indie devs make over 60% less than AAA devs. Until they can figure out how to make a game and make money they will continue to lag behind AAA titled and sorry to destroy your dream but it won't be next year...

AAA firm = 200 or so developers

indie firm = 10 or so developers

60% is pretty fucking good for just 10 devs

better games? it doesnt have FUCK to do with that. On average console games are garbage. What it has to do with is marketing and product loyality.

I doubt I will ever buy a ubisoft product after this. I have been gaming for 20+ years and I have never heard of a 'FPS lock' until these guys started fucking around with shit.

people ask why am I upset with consoles...THIS is why, because of 'platform parity' the tech on PC games has been pushed back for decades now.

 

indie games are ALREADY better than console games.

 

 

SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Stizzled

"The beta has been locked to 30fps to provide a smooth experience while the team still works on optimizing the 60FPS option which will be available for PC at launch."

 

http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/913935-FPS-limit-option-but-can-t-change?s=e0a48c22ea5471a531317d8caab641c7

 

That's just one of the many threads where the same has been stated. So many bitchy PC gamers these days. Whine and moan when everything isn't exactly as they think it should be, and can't be bothered to do even the tiniest bit of research on the subject.

 

If you want to complain about it being 30 fps on consoles, then I don't know what to tell you. It's not the first 30 fps game, and it wont be the last. Get over it.

so how PC games work is you dont need to lock the FPS TO ANYTHING. not 30 not 50 not 60 not 70.

why? because programming that doesnt suck will account for performance issues while throttling up the FPS to automatically match best possible combination.

This is the first time in my multiple decades of gaming that I have head the the phrase FPS lock.

no...its very clear that the real reason to do this is to make the experience with xbox exactly the same on all other platforms which sucks massive balls.

 

pisses me off to no end

Pepeq

But I bought a Ferrari and I'm stuck in traffic that moves at 10 mph... what a waste of horsepower... indeed.

 

Given that most computers never tap their full potential before being replaced, I would think that you would be in a greater uproar over that.  You bought a Ferrari... but people code for Yugos.  Money well spent, LOL.

SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Pepeq

But I bought a Ferrari and I'm stuck in traffic that moves at 10 mph... what a waste of horsepower... indeed.

 

Given that most computers never tap their full potential before being replaced, I would think that you would be in a greater uproar over that.  You bought a Ferrari... but people code for Yugos.  Money well spent, LOL.

yeah this old man remembers the days before the console orgies when once you saved up some money for a new video card you knew it would make the games visuals better and faster. Now its a waste of money

SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Mr.SeriousGuy

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Stizzled

"The beta has been locked to 30fps to provide a smooth experience while the team still works on optimizing the 60FPS option which will be available for PC at launch."

 

http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/913935-FPS-limit-option-but-can-t-change?s=e0a48c22ea5471a531317d8caab641c7

 

That's just one of the many threads where the same has been stated. So many bitchy PC gamers these days. Whine and moan when everything isn't exactly as they think it should be, and can't be bothered to do even the tiniest bit of research on the subject.

 

If you want to complain about it being 30 fps on consoles, then I don't know what to tell you. It's not the first 30 fps game, and it wont be the last. Get over it.

so how PC games work is you dont need to lock the FPS TO ANYTHING. not 30 not 50 not 60 not 70.

why? because programming that doesnt suck will account for performance issues while throttling up the FPS to automatically match best possible combination.

This is the first time in my multiple decades of gaming that I have head the the phrase FPS lock.

no...its very clear that the real reason to do this is to make the experience with xbox exactly the same on all other platforms which sucks massive balls.

 

pisses me off to no end

the first dark souls on pc had the fps locked at 30 (the community unlocked it but namco didnt)

 

some people just want "MOAR FPS" even if they would never notice it . you eye wont notice the difference if your human as long as there isn't a frame rate drop . also with 4k displays out people might not get that 4k gaming is 30 fps and leave vsync off and cry on the forums about tearing . something to the effect of "OMG gaim broak?!?" and "FIX YO SHEET!!!!" when they might not understand that there leet uber rig with its 4k screen cant handle more than 30 fps because of the screens refresh rate

then why the fuck would anyone bother to lock it in the first place?

the issue here is not just FPS and only FPS. It demonstrates that these developers are not interested in pushing the boundries of what is possible but instead to hold things back. God only knows what other areas they are restricting progress.

 

I need to calm down before the mods ban me for being 'angry gamer becuase he is getting screwed'

Raelln

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

then why the fuck would anyone bother to lock it in the first place?

the issue here is not just FPS and only FPS. It demonstrates that these developers are not interested in pushing the boundries of what is possible but instead to hold things back. God only knows what other areas they are restricting progress.

"Pushing the boundaries of what is possible" and "being successful" are not always possible simultaneously.

Pushing the boundaries often means "dealing with numerous bugs/crashes/other issues" where pulling back a bit and making a more stable game provides a better chance at financial success.

I've been playing games for a looooong time. I've played games at 10-12 fps and I've played them at 180+ fps. Above 30, there is no difference to the human eye except for observing the number get bigger, unless you are Superman.

As far as I care, all games can be default locked to 30 fps as long as they never dip lower.

SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Raelln

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

then why the fuck would anyone bother to lock it in the first place?

the issue here is not just FPS and only FPS. It demonstrates that these developers are not interested in pushing the boundries of what is possible but instead to hold things back. God only knows what other areas they are restricting progress.

"Pushing the boundaries of what is possible" and "being successful" are not always possible simultaneously.

Pushing the boundaries often means "dealing with numerous bugs/crashes/other issues" where pulling back a bit and making a more stable game provides a better chance at financial success.

I've been playing games for a looooong time. I've played games at 10-12 fps and I've played them at 180+ fps. Above 30, there is no difference to the human eye except for observing the number get bigger, unless you are Superman.

As far as I care, all games can be default locked to 30 fps as long as they never dip lower.

again.

 

IN MY MULTIPLE DECADES OF GAMING I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF ANYONE TRYING TO LOCK FPS.....

Its about be successfully? yes. by screwing your customers.

believe me that is a tactic that can work if done right.. is that something you want?

Warlyx

do u know that u can unlock the fps ? just change 30 to 60 on the file and DONE, no more fps cap, is the first thing i did when i entered beta and noticed there was a fps cap.....:P

and playing 60 vs 30 in a driving game is huge....

 

@OP never played a capped to 30 fps game before or what? thats nothing new , NFS was capped to 30 too , uncapped after messng with files , plenty of games capped to 30 on pc , but 99% are able to be uncapped :P

and calm down u look angry over this and u can fix it in 5s....

SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Stizzled

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Stizzled

"The beta has been locked to 30fps to provide a smooth experience while the team still works on optimizing the 60FPS option which will be available for PC at launch."

 

http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/913935-FPS-limit-option-but-can-t-change?s=e0a48c22ea5471a531317d8caab641c7

 

That's just one of the many threads where the same has been stated. So many bitchy PC gamers these days. Whine and moan when everything isn't exactly as they think it should be, and can't be bothered to do even the tiniest bit of research on the subject.

 

If you want to complain about it being 30 fps on consoles, then I don't know what to tell you. It's not the first 30 fps game, and it wont be the last. Get over it.

so how PC games work is you dont need to lock the FPS TO ANYTHING. not 30 not 50 not 60 not 70.

why? because programming that doesnt suck will account for performance issues while throttling up the FPS to automatically match best possible combination.

This is the first time in my multiple decades of gaming that I have head the the phrase FPS lock.

no...its very clear that the real reason to do this is to make the experience with xbox exactly the same on all other platforms which sucks massive balls.

 

pisses me off to no end

Seems to me like your pissed just to be pissed. First, you were pissed that it was locked at 30, now your pissed that it will be locked at 60. Plenty of games have frame rate caps, or have the option to cap your frame rate. You saying that you've never heard of that is BS.

 

Simply put, if you want to play the game then get over it. It will run at 60 fps at launch, and even now during the beta (you can see how to do it in the post I linked). If you don't want to play the game then there's no reason to get all bent out of shape over it.

you are incorrect on both counts.

I am pissed that its locked.....PEROID at anything.

There is nothing I can do about it but I am pissed because I like gaming and I like it when the industry pushes the technology forward. If I didnt care I wouldnt even be here and I wouldnt be gaming at all.

 

what you are asking me to do is to get over not being able to do what I have enjoyed doing. that is a big ask.

Tyggs

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Stizzled

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Stizzled

"The beta has been locked to 30fps to provide a smooth experience while the team still works on optimizing the 60FPS option which will be available for PC at launch."

 

http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/913935-FPS-limit-option-but-can-t-change?s=e0a48c22ea5471a531317d8caab641c7

 

That's just one of the many threads where the same has been stated. So many bitchy PC gamers these days. Whine and moan when everything isn't exactly as they think it should be, and can't be bothered to do even the tiniest bit of research on the subject.

 

If you want to complain about it being 30 fps on consoles, then I don't know what to tell you. It's not the first 30 fps game, and it wont be the last. Get over it.

so how PC games work is you dont need to lock the FPS TO ANYTHING. not 30 not 50 not 60 not 70.

why? because programming that doesnt suck will account for performance issues while throttling up the FPS to automatically match best possible combination.

This is the first time in my multiple decades of gaming that I have head the the phrase FPS lock.

no...its very clear that the real reason to do this is to make the experience with xbox exactly the same on all other platforms which sucks massive balls.

 

pisses me off to no end

Seems to me like your pissed just to be pissed. First, you were pissed that it was locked at 30, now your pissed that it will be locked at 60. Plenty of games have frame rate caps, or have the option to cap your frame rate. You saying that you've never heard of that is BS.

 

Simply put, if you want to play the game then get over it. It will run at 60 fps at launch, and even now during the beta (you can see how to do it in the post I linked). If you don't want to play the game then there's no reason to get all bent out of shape over it.

you are incorrect on both counts.

I am pissed that its locked.....PEROID at anything.

There is nothing I can do about it but I am pissed because I like gaming and I like it when the industry pushes the technology forward. If I didnt care I wouldnt even be here and I wouldnt be gaming at all.

 

what you are asking me to do is to get over not being able to do what I have enjoyed doing. that is a big ask.

.... How is increasing FPS pushing boundaries? It is wasted tech for the most part above 30. Your eye sees 30, 60 is often used to mitigate noticing FPS drops. That's it. If a game is stable at 30, then pushing it higher is wasting resources. Unless you just want that 120FPS screenshot epeen, that is.

Asm0deus

Much ado about nothing....

 

...the game looks really good and it is beta are we sure they wont unlock it later on?

SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Tyggs

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Stizzled

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Stizzled

"The beta has been locked to 30fps to provide a smooth experience while the team still works on optimizing the 60FPS option which will be available for PC at launch."

 

http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/913935-FPS-limit-option-but-can-t-change?s=e0a48c22ea5471a531317d8caab641c7

 

That's just one of the many threads where the same has been stated. So many bitchy PC gamers these days. Whine and moan when everything isn't exactly as they think it should be, and can't be bothered to do even the tiniest bit of research on the subject.

 

If you want to complain about it being 30 fps on consoles, then I don't know what to tell you. It's not the first 30 fps game, and it wont be the last. Get over it.

so how PC games work is you dont need to lock the FPS TO ANYTHING. not 30 not 50 not 60 not 70.

why? because programming that doesnt suck will account for performance issues while throttling up the FPS to automatically match best possible combination.

This is the first time in my multiple decades of gaming that I have head the the phrase FPS lock.

no...its very clear that the real reason to do this is to make the experience with xbox exactly the same on all other platforms which sucks massive balls.

 

pisses me off to no end

Seems to me like your pissed just to be pissed. First, you were pissed that it was locked at 30, now your pissed that it will be locked at 60. Plenty of games have frame rate caps, or have the option to cap your frame rate. You saying that you've never heard of that is BS.

 

Simply put, if you want to play the game then get over it. It will run at 60 fps at launch, and even now during the beta (you can see how to do it in the post I linked). If you don't want to play the game then there's no reason to get all bent out of shape over it.

you are incorrect on both counts.

I am pissed that its locked.....PEROID at anything.

There is nothing I can do about it but I am pissed because I like gaming and I like it when the industry pushes the technology forward. If I didnt care I wouldnt even be here and I wouldnt be gaming at all.

 

what you are asking me to do is to get over not being able to do what I have enjoyed doing. that is a big ask.

.... How is increasing FPS pushing boundaries? It is wasted tech for the most part above 30. Your eye sees 30, 60 is often used to mitigate noticing FPS drops. That's it. If a game is stable at 30, then pushing it higher is wasting resources. Unless you just want that 120FPS screenshot epeen, that is.

again I ask you point blank and I expect an answer.

why lock it at all? in my 24+ years of gaming I have never heard of an FPS lock

this and the reasons they gave just leads me to believe that they are making restrictions in other areas as well, not just FPS. other areas that we can not validate as easily.

niceguy3978

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Raelln

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

then why the fuck would anyone bother to lock it in the first place?

the issue here is not just FPS and only FPS. It demonstrates that these developers are not interested in pushing the boundries of what is possible but instead to hold things back. God only knows what other areas they are restricting progress.

"Pushing the boundaries of what is possible" and "being successful" are not always possible simultaneously.

Pushing the boundaries often means "dealing with numerous bugs/crashes/other issues" where pulling back a bit and making a more stable game provides a better chance at financial success.

I've been playing games for a looooong time. I've played games at 10-12 fps and I've played them at 180+ fps. Above 30, there is no difference to the human eye except for observing the number get bigger, unless you are Superman.

As far as I care, all games can be default locked to 30 fps as long as they never dip lower.

again.

 

IN MY MULTIPLE DECADES OF GAMING I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF ANYONE TRYING TO LOCK FPS.....

Its about be successfully? yes. by screwing your customers.

believe me that is a tactic that can work if done right.. is that something you want?

You haven't heard of this before?  Dead Rising 3, Need for Speed Rivals, Dark Souls, Dark Souls II, Titanfall locked at 60fps, and many cross platform games, especially those ported from console to pc.

SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Stizzled

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

you are incorrect on both counts.

I am pissed that its locked.....PEROID at anything.

There is nothing I can do about it but I am pissed because I like gaming and I like it when the industry pushes the technology forward. If I didnt care I wouldnt even be here and I wouldnt be gaming at all.

 

what you are asking me to do is to get over not being able to do what I have enjoyed doing. that is a big ask.

All I'm asking you to do is to calm down and to stop being so dramatic. Your usually a fairly sensible poster on these boards, and yet your starting to act like a child who's had his favorite toy taken away, but you haven't lost anything.

 

The sky isn't falling, and this isn't signalling the end of unlocked fps. The devs are simply trying to work with a baseline, something that's easy to do on the consoles, but not so much on PC due to the high range of hardware. They can't control what hardware a user might have, but they can control the fps and work from there.

 

You may not like that, but ti was their decision and your simply going to have to respect it. All you can do is decide whether you want to play the game or not.

your right that I need to calm down but to suggest I havent lost anything is woefully inaccurate.

There are tons of games and IPs that I would love to play but they are crap for various different reasons, from ESO to this game. As a person who loves to play games it affects my enjoyment dramatically to the point where there is only a handful of games I find acceptable when I know for a FACT that games could be soo much better as well as a huge positive impact on society as a whole.

 

SEANMCAD

Originally posted by niceguy3978

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Raelln

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

then why the fuck would anyone bother to lock it in the first place?

the issue here is not just FPS and only FPS. It demonstrates that these developers are not interested in pushing the boundries of what is possible but instead to hold things back. God only knows what other areas they are restricting progress.

"Pushing the boundaries of what is possible" and "being successful" are not always possible simultaneously.

Pushing the boundaries often means "dealing with numerous bugs/crashes/other issues" where pulling back a bit and making a more stable game provides a better chance at financial success.

I've been playing games for a looooong time. I've played games at 10-12 fps and I've played them at 180+ fps. Above 30, there is no difference to the human eye except for observing the number get bigger, unless you are Superman.

As far as I care, all games can be default locked to 30 fps as long as they never dip lower.

again.

 

IN MY MULTIPLE DECADES OF GAMING I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF ANYONE TRYING TO LOCK FPS.....

Its about be successfully? yes. by screwing your customers.

believe me that is a tactic that can work if done right.. is that something you want?

You haven't heard of this before?  Dead Rising 3, Need for Speed Rivals, Dark Souls, Dark Souls II, Titanfall locked at 60fps, and many cross platform games, especially those ported from console to pc.

correct I havent heard of this before.

how many of those games came out in the past 24 months or so? how many of them are primarly targeted toward consoles? do i really need to break that down for you?

SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Stizzled

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Stizzled

All I'm asking you to do is to calm down and to stop being so dramatic. Your usually a fairly sensible poster on these boards, and yet your starting to act like a child who's had his favorite toy taken away, but you haven't lost anything.

 

The sky isn't falling, and this isn't signalling the end of unlocked fps. The devs are simply trying to work with a baseline, something that's easy to do on the consoles, but not so much on PC due to the high range of hardware. They can't control what hardware a user might have, but they can control the fps and work from there.

 

You may not like that, but ti was their decision and your simply going to have to respect it. All you can do is decide whether you want to play the game or not.

your right that I need to calm down but to suggest I havent lost anything is woefully inaccurate.

There are tons of games and IPs that I would love to play but they are crap for various different reasons, from ESO to this game. As a person who loves to play games it affects my enjoyment dramatically to the point where there is only a handful of games I find acceptable when I know for a FACT that games could be soo much better as well as a huge positive impact on society as a whole.

 

So, basically this has gone way beyond the frame rates of The Crew and your now just complaining about the state of gaming in general, right? Well, I'm sorry that most developers aren't worried about pushing the envelope very far any more. I'm also sorry that you can't have any fun with games that don't push the boundaries to the degree that you think they should have. Not much else can be said I guess, time to sell your PC and pick up another hobby.

you are likely correct.

the only problem is I still enjoy gaming more so than other hobbies and I can see very clearly what CAN happen so yeah its frustrating when I see it not being done. Maybe I will take up cross stitching since its clear we want to stay in 1995

Kyleran

SEANMCAD, one question, were you really planning on playing this game?  I've not even heard of it much before today, and still not interested enough to look anything up about it.

So no matter to me what they lock the frame rates at, generally speaking I won't play any game ported up from a console, rarely turns out well in the end.

 

SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Kyleran

SEANMCAD, one question, were you really planning on playing this game?  I've not even heard of it much before today, and still not interested enough to look anything up about it.

So no matter to me what they lock the frame rates at, generally speaking I won't play any game ported up from a console, rarely turns out well in the end.

 

yes I was thinking about it. I have been looking for more than one game as a reason to buy a steering wheel.

That said I have no desire to try it now, in fact I have no desire to try any ubisoft games.

I will stop posting here for now..its better for my blood pressure.

 

bye all.

SEANMCAD

Originally posted by allday88

 

 

Well since you clearly have so much knowledge on the only way video games should be made instead of complaining about every AAA titles that destroys it's indies competition why don't you just go ahead and start your own game company and create the perfect games for us to enjoy. Clearly nobody since 1995 has made a video game to your standards. Go make your own if it's that easy.  

I built and maintained a mod (or rather a custom made map/adventure) in NWN 1 and it was extreemly time consuming not allowing me to play as much as I would like.

and that was just a 'mod' making an entire game I would totally love to do but I know its a fuck ton of work.

 

anyway...I am trying to break free from this string. I will say I might give the game a chance if ubisoft can provide us with a technical reason with some good level of depth as to why they are locking fps. they would also need to provide context as to why this hasnt been done in the past for PC games.

 

take care

Rzep

My problem with the 30fps focus in this game is rather simple. The Crew is a racing game, racing game are about fast responses, 30fps is slow.

Another thing is that the game simply feels sluggish, there is little to no sense of speed. Whether 60fps can help with that, I really don't know but it can't hurt. As it stands right now this is not the game I was expecting. After playing the Beta I'd rather reinstall Fuel or TDU.

There is also World of Speed, but that also feels a bit off. Though in that case I think it is due to what I expected the game to handle like (having played previous games by the dev) and what it ended up.

Project Cars is awesome, so at least there is that=) Still I am hoping that at some point a game will have the stupid intense sense of speed of the First NFS Shift. That game made me sweat.