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List me up, what makes LP P2W or what you can generally do with it
Hey guys, i recently just joined back to read a few posts. And drasticly saw alot of users are sad over the LP pots and patron status and stuff.
I mean for my point I see archage similar to conan's f2p model. You will hardly have any fun if you are not a "VIP/Patron". So coun't me as Patron already. (Just logical Glyph wants to pay their employee's)
So can everyone who is concerned about the p2w make me a small list, not some huge exact guides please, about what makes LP P2W compared to the normal themepark player. I mean he can craft alot of more stuff, enjoy the game on a diffrent sight, does not have to be online that much I guess. That are the points I already know. That's not really p2w for me.
So go ahead and show me your points.
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The Deep Web is sca-ry.
same stuff there just buy cash shop items drop them on market for money and get best possible gear
with fuel and LP pots is soo easy now that cashers dont need to work at all to get best possible gear
and its only a beggining soon more cash stuff from korea commingHow that qualifies as winning is beyond me. Games are about the journey, not the end result.
So this is how it is.
1 Purchuse labor Pots 4 hr cooldown
2 sell labor pots on AH (high demand item)
3 buy crafted gear/weapons on AH
4 Purchase regrade scrolls till you have the best armor in game
Totally not pay to win right?
Oh and if the armor/weapons aren't on the AH........np just purchase the rng crates to get the rare crafting item needed to make the gear.
Aloha Mr Hand !
Here's a gameplan. Wait a friggen week...download the game, try it out! Most of us here are sick of the daily bitching about this being P2W.
If you want to pay the monthly sub, you will enjoy the game.
If you want to play for free...you will not enjoy the game as much.
If you want to dump a bunch of money on top of the monthly sub, just to be ahead of everyone else...well go for it.
People who are doing the most crying about the LP are those who want to play for free and have everything in the game handed to them without much effort. LP is the best thing for this game. It will hopefully kill the F2P community n make this more of a sub based game.
Pretty much.
The no-lifers will still dominate at launch. Anyone that stops to farm/craft is going to be outleveled and outgeared at first. Infinite labor and cash does you no good when there are no resources available on the auction house and it still takes time to grow things.
Ultimately, the labor pots will be a catch up mechanism for a vast majority of the player base that can no put in 22 hours a day.
There will be a few players that can play 22 hours day and will invest in labor pots and archeum crates. Those players will climb to the top of the ladder which is where they were already since they can put in 22 hours a day.
It's 1% of the player base crying about the advantages given to 0.1% of the player base. It's a non-issue but forum raging about p2w is the new in thing these days.
Right, because you can't get better than anyone else.
Blame those who would buy the pots from the AH then, because it's their fault, that someone doesn't have to work for their gear.
Following your logic, patron is pay to win compared to f2p, isn't it?
As i said in another topic, all these topics are mainly created by people who spent 44-150 bucks for early access and patron status. And now they are upset because basically anyone can climb to their level with enough money.
So no, it's not about pay 2 win, it's about people being upset, because they haven't automatically became the top dogs with their first payment.
Nolifers will need to pay for extra LP. Its basically a tax for being nolifer. And whales can make tons of gold from that, beating nolifers.
Though smart nolifers will just make second account, pay another 15$ and have double LP.
Yeah Glyph is one of the best game developers in the world. They offer 401K plans, a 4 month vacation per year, and free air fare anywhere in the world to their employees. It's a wonder we haven't seen more games come out of this company. People are just itching to get hired there. I expect great things to come from Glyph in the future... companies like Trion could learn a few things from them.
The article has wrong information and outdated screenshots is all i am going to say.
Yeah if this system was used correctly but in Archage it isn't. people who spam their Lp or "no lifers" all day have nothing to fear because they can just buy LP potions every 4 hours. this is the point being made. Why implement a system to stop people rushing then add a bypass, THEN increass the effectiveness of the bypass?
From what you just stated is the very essence of P2W. If someone with more money can obtain something faster and mostly out of reach of the rest that have limited budgets means it is a P2W concept. The fact is if you spend lots of money (some have done the math and it is in the hundreds to thousands range) you can and will be a wrecking ball, able to take on 10-20 at a time.
The article claims the labor system is good because it's balancing for the game.
However, it can be bypassed with $$$. Therefore there is no balance at all. How can something be balanced if you can BYPASS it with money? Is that not, by definition, UNBALANCED because some people can ignore it while others who don't pay as much can't? (but still pay because they're patrons, so don't give me any of that "Trion needs to make money!" crap because BOTH are paying SUBSCRIBED customers. Just one pays more than the other)
Hence pay to win. Those who pay more have an advantage. And for those who say "Who cares if they have an advantage? How does it affect you?", they apparently don't realize that Archeage is a COMPETITIVE game (open world PvP, you know)
X2. That pretty much mirrors my feelings. Use F2P as a look see to decide if you will like what is offered then either uninstall or buy a sub and stfu
I miss DAoC
Problem is that you fail to understand why people are upset, which is no big deal since i am here to explain to you why.
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You can pay a sub which is totally fine for a good game like AA but on top of that offering more advantages to people with big wallets is not what the idea of a subscription game is about.
Up until now it was standard that with the subscription everyone get's the same advantages and is on an equal level, something that is called BALANCE. Especially important in a sandbox competitive PvP focused game.
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So, if someone pays for patron, that's completely fine to have advantage with it?
Because that's the point, but somehow whoever replyes to my posts, seem to skip this part very precisely.
And no, i don't believe it's p2w, since you can't get anything from the shop you can't acquire within the game.
So, someone is going to spend 5k dollars to be op for a few weeks, until the rest will catch up?
Once you have enough ingame currency to afford pots from AH. Will you refuse to use them because they are P2W, though you pay with your time investment for it, instead of real cash?
The only thing I can really see as "Pay 2 Win" with LP pots is trying to secure your mythic gear so you can roll face in PvP and make people hate you. But seeing how this game is RNG people are failing to realize that the people who are putting money into LP pots to craft the end game gear (your ultimate goal) is actually "Pay 2 Lose" unless you are incredibly lucky with the RNG.
You'll need luck with the RNG on Archeum boxes, you'll need luck getting all the material needed for mythic gear using LP. You're looking at thousands of dollars spent to get decked out in mythic gear, if not more. Good business decision on TRION's part because people will be spending so much money and the tears will flow when they can't roll mythic.
All hail RNG!
ad what will u do when some 1 whit full mythic gear comes and kill u and 5 or your friends at pvp zone or trade?
this game whit p2p its way bather and no shop
You might have a point if the push to the cashshop ended at your subscription fee (patron status). It doesn't. They'll still be seemingly pushing you to make cashshop purchases. Examples being bag space, lp pots, etc...
All so the "freeloader" as many patrons like to call them, can play. That is the underlying problem, I'd assume, for most who don't like this business model. WHen I sub to a game I do so under the idea I bypass the nonsense that is nickle and dime F2P, double dipping has always been seen as a bad practice as far back as I can remember. NOw for AA people make it out as though it's okay. I don't agree with them.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
some ppl tend to spend thousands every month
now these ppl create a guild (becouse rich ppl like to stick with rich ppl)
and only thing you can do at this point is change the server
but then it happens on other server too
this will happen in any sandbox mmo with p2w shop
Actually ran into a couple who spent $75.000 in a video game, blew my mind. If people want to spend the money (a lot) then yes definitely can see the argument of "pay to win". I personally don't like what TRION is doing with the shop but it's more or less going to be up to the community to voice their opinions in mass and loud to see if they will change it.
Will it stop me from playing the game? No.
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