Originally posted by observer How would VR actually work in an MMO though? Wouldn't it need to be first-person view? Most MMOs are 3rd person view. This is the only major problem i see with using VR.
Most MMOs are third person for several reasons. Other than aesthetics it also has to do with how looking at a 2D screen, your monitor, in 1st person view hinders your perception of the game world accurately. You lack depth perception while staring at a 2D screen. Also, if you don't have a good surround sound system you are hampered even further. With VR you should be able to get a better sense of depth, probably even be able to use peripheral vision, as well as positional audio would make the need for 3rd person view obsolete.
I have a few ideas of my own, but of course it wouldn't be realistic graphics. Graphics has to be tone down since first of all, it's a MMO. Second, the VR would take a toll with high graphics. Don't want to burn it out so fast.
i just like the potential for great gameplay from the headset
The only way I would be interested in VR technology is if I personally don't have to wear something in order to use it... so that basically leave the holodeck solution. That's not gonna happen in my life time. So VR to me, is a total waste of time.
Yes! If done well, of course! Of course as always the devils in the details. If not a good game -period- VR isn't going to save it. Have to have a good game to begin with.
I still don't understand the reasoning of not wanting to wear something lol. What is the big deal? If it allows you to experience some pretty incredible games, who the heck cares if you have to wear something XD. It's well worth it if you ask me.
I have a feeling the majority of the people who say that are very likely to change their mind eventually in the future once they actually try one and realize it isn't that bad. Being stubborn like that will make you miss out on some pretty amazing experiences.
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Assuming VR actually works and delivers on its promises I can't imagine anyone not wanting VR in their games. It's like saying "Do you want graphics in your games?" It could totally revolutionize the gaming experience.
No it's really asking people do you want to be totally shut off in your own world where the people around you can see you and hear you but you may as well not exist while using it. It's something people without their own families may want or people who don't see the divorce coming. Otherwise it's too much to expect a significant other to put up with for anything but really casual use.
Assuming VR actually works and delivers on its promises I can't imagine anyone not wanting VR in their games. It's like saying "Do you want graphics in your games?" It could totally revolutionize the gaming experience.
No it's really asking people do you want to be totally shut off in your own world where the people around you can see you and hear you but you may as well not exist while using it. It's something people without their own families may want or people who don't see the divorce coming. Otherwise it's too much to expect a significant other to put up with for anything but really casual use.
That is based on so many assumptions. Such as both whom are together could both like VR. It's really no different than gaming in general. If your significant other does not like gaming and you do it to much, that can cause problems in the relationship. But if both like gaming .. then there is no problem at all.
Also, just because a person plays VR games doesn't mean they would be totally shut off from the world. Again that is no different then any other game you play.
Assuming VR actually works and delivers on its promises I can't imagine anyone not wanting VR in their games. It's like saying "Do you want graphics in your games?" It could totally revolutionize the gaming experience.
Not if I want to play a top down game like Diablo, or Starcraft, or a TPS like Splinter Cell or Tomb Raider.
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If virtual reality = matrix (full sensory input directly interfaced into brain) then yes
That's like a person from the old days saying they won't watch one of those old dial black and white TVs. They want to wait 20 years for LED Flat Screens.
I really don't understand such logic. If it works as intended and it's fun, why wait? Some people seem to act like it won't be fun unless it's specifically this this and that. Like seriously? Why?
If virtual reality = matrix (full sensory input directly interfaced into brain) then yes
I'm with you, when they can jack it directly into my head, let me know, until then it's just a gimmick.
Of course this is likely to occur right after they finally give me my flying car and jetpack.
How exactly is it a gimmick if it's fun?
What makes something a gimmick? I think some of you are using the term gimmick way to much as if everything is a gimmick. I bet even in the future when you have the holodeck there will be people like you all who call it a gimmick. Freaking stupid.
Let's jsut start calling all technology a gimmick just for the hell of it.
Edit: actually while your at it, please explain to me in depth exactly why it's a gimmick .. and provide some proof.
Originally posted by Vermillion_Raventhal VR like Sword Art yes.
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If virtual reality = matrix (full sensory input directly interfaced into brain) then yes
That's like a person from the old days saying they won't watch one of those old dial black and white TVs. They want to wait 20 years for LED Flat Screens.
I really don't understand such logic. If it works as intended and it's fun, why wait? Some people seem to act like it won't be fun unless it's specifically this this and that. Like seriously? Why?
Is it too difficult a concept for you to understand that not everyone on the planet thinks like you... good job not everyone on the planet thinks like Adolf Hitler or we'd all invade Poland.
Assuming VR actually works and delivers on its promises I can't imagine anyone not wanting VR in their games. It's like saying "Do you want graphics in your games?" It could totally revolutionize the gaming experience.
No it's really asking people do you want to be totally shut off in your own world where the people around you can see you and hear you but you may as well not exist while using it. It's something people without their own families may want or people who don't see the divorce coming. Otherwise it's too much to expect a significant other to put up with for anything but really casual use.
like reading a book?
have you ever been in a living room with an entire family reading books? well I have and VR headsets would be no different.
Honestly I think the real reason why there are two different camps can be summed up in this quesiton.
'nasayers...what technology have you ever been an early adopter for?'
I think that VR is still far too new for it to work right for MMO players. I also think it is a but much for the average player to be forking out for a piece of equipment. Remember that WOW is still king of the hill and one of those reasons was that it would run on anything From a high end rig to a small net book (yes I have seen that)
By making a VR game you restrict you player base and limit your potential market.
The idea of an optional VR interface would be a good idea but to make one for just VR .. No
Originally posted by knightauditI think that VR is still far too new for it to work right for MMO players. I also think it is a but much for the average player to be forking out for a piece of equipment. Remember that WOW is still king of the hill and one of those reasons was that it would run on anything From a high end rig to a small net book (yes I have seen that)By making a VR game you restrict you player base and limit your potential market.The idea of an optional VR interface would be a good idea but to make one for just VR .. No
I agree with your first point about MMOs. When you look at the innovation curve usually MMOs are not very innovative so first the VR has to go thru the innovation curve for a regular gaming device, then once that is done it will trickle down to MMOs. I wouldnt be surprised to see that other than Second Life we will not see VR in MMOs for 10 years. Single player games however in just a few years.
Cost however I completely disagree with. For everyone and their dog? sure cost is an issue for now. For it to be a good market? not at all. Look at how much people spend on flight sticks and driving wheels...
If by VR you mean the Oculus Rift (or some other headset) then no. I've got no interest in a 3D headset. I just don't see the "experience" being worth the effort/trouble of waring the headset. I'm sure people will like it ad use it, but I just don't see me bothering with it.
If you mean a "full-dive" VR system (ala Matrix, SAO, Caprica) then f' yes.
If by VR you mean the Oculus Rift (or some other headset) then no. I've got no interest in a 3D headset. I just don't see the "experience" being worth the effort/trouble of waring the headset. I'm sure people will like it ad use it, but I just don't see me bothering with it.
If you mean a "full-dive" VR system (ala Matrix, SAO, Caprica) then f' yes.
its not a 3D headset. It tracks your movement in real time, 3D never did that.
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Most MMOs are third person for several reasons. Other than aesthetics it also has to do with how looking at a 2D screen, your monitor, in 1st person view hinders your perception of the game world accurately. You lack depth perception while staring at a 2D screen. Also, if you don't have a good surround sound system you are hampered even further. With VR you should be able to get a better sense of depth, probably even be able to use peripheral vision, as well as positional audio would make the need for 3rd person view obsolete.
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I have a few ideas of my own, but of course it wouldn't be realistic graphics. Graphics has to be tone down since first of all, it's a MMO. Second, the VR would take a toll with high graphics. Don't want to burn it out so fast.
i just like the potential for great gameplay from the headset
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My answer would be a resounding NO!
The only way I would be interested in VR technology is if I personally don't have to wear something in order to use it... so that basically leave the holodeck solution. That's not gonna happen in my life time. So VR to me, is a total waste of time.
Yes! If done well, of course! Of course as always the devils in the details. If not a good game -period- VR isn't going to save it. Have to have a good game to begin with.
I still don't understand the reasoning of not wanting to wear something lol. What is the big deal? If it allows you to experience some pretty incredible games, who the heck cares if you have to wear something XD. It's well worth it if you ask me.
I have a feeling the majority of the people who say that are very likely to change their mind eventually in the future once they actually try one and realize it isn't that bad. Being stubborn like that will make you miss out on some pretty amazing experiences.
Like an old person who refuses to use a computer.
I've been waiting for VR MMOs for 20 years! lol
Lowest expectation: get more exercise while MMOing.
Highest hope: feel like I'm in a novel or anime, able to truly interact with the NPC characters.
No it's really asking people do you want to be totally shut off in your own world where the people around you can see you and hear you but you may as well not exist while using it. It's something people without their own families may want or people who don't see the divorce coming. Otherwise it's too much to expect a significant other to put up with for anything but really casual use.
because virtual REALITY implies virtual realism.
Also id be ok with VR if
A) if they could fix the depth of field problem with the current tech
That is based on so many assumptions. Such as both whom are together could both like VR. It's really no different than gaming in general. If your significant other does not like gaming and you do it to much, that can cause problems in the relationship. But if both like gaming .. then there is no problem at all.
Also, just because a person plays VR games doesn't mean they would be totally shut off from the world. Again that is no different then any other game you play.
I mean your argument makes no sense at all.
Soon we'll have something like the device from Strange Days.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yaXPx6xWEQ
Then gaming will start to get REAL. And probably scary.
Not if I want to play a top down game like Diablo, or Starcraft, or a TPS like Splinter Cell or Tomb Raider.
Not every game has to be first person.
I'm with you, when they can jack it directly into my head, let me know, until then it's just a gimmick.
Of course this is likely to occur right after they finally give me my flying car and jetpack.
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That's like a person from the old days saying they won't watch one of those old dial black and white TVs. They want to wait 20 years for LED Flat Screens.
I really don't understand such logic. If it works as intended and it's fun, why wait? Some people seem to act like it won't be fun unless it's specifically this this and that. Like seriously? Why?
How exactly is it a gimmick if it's fun?
What makes something a gimmick? I think some of you are using the term gimmick way to much as if everything is a gimmick. I bet even in the future when you have the holodeck there will be people like you all who call it a gimmick. Freaking stupid.
Let's jsut start calling all technology a gimmick just for the hell of it.
Edit: actually while your at it, please explain to me in depth exactly why it's a gimmick .. and provide some proof.
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Is it too difficult a concept for you to understand that not everyone on the planet thinks like you... good job not everyone on the planet thinks like Adolf Hitler or we'd all invade Poland.
yes but not for 100% of the game play. There are some games I like to play while doing other things like watching TV or reading.
aka Eve mining. I would not like Eve mining in VR.
like reading a book?
have you ever been in a living room with an entire family reading books? well I have and VR headsets would be no different.
Honestly I think the real reason why there are two different camps can be summed up in this quesiton.
'nasayers...what technology have you ever been an early adopter for?'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffusion_of_innovations
I think that VR is still far too new for it to work right for MMO players. I also think it is a but much for the average player to be forking out for a piece of equipment. Remember that WOW is still king of the hill and one of those reasons was that it would run on anything From a high end rig to a small net book (yes I have seen that)
By making a VR game you restrict you player base and limit your potential market.
The idea of an optional VR interface would be a good idea but to make one for just VR .. No
I agree with your first point about MMOs. When you look at the innovation curve usually MMOs are not very innovative so first the VR has to go thru the innovation curve for a regular gaming device, then once that is done it will trickle down to MMOs. I wouldnt be surprised to see that other than Second Life we will not see VR in MMOs for 10 years. Single player games however in just a few years.
Cost however I completely disagree with. For everyone and their dog? sure cost is an issue for now. For it to be a good market? not at all. Look at how much people spend on flight sticks and driving wheels...
If by VR you mean the Oculus Rift (or some other headset) then no. I've got no interest in a 3D headset. I just don't see the "experience" being worth the effort/trouble of waring the headset. I'm sure people will like it ad use it, but I just don't see me bothering with it.
If you mean a "full-dive" VR system (ala Matrix, SAO, Caprica) then f' yes.
its not a 3D headset. It tracks your movement in real time, 3D never did that.