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Boobs are LIFE, Boobs are LOVE, Boobs are JUSTICE, Boobs are mankind's HOPES and DREAMS. People who complain about boobs have lost their humanity.
Only reason for me too. I would have played it for a very long time if combat was actually fun. The skill systems simply has not soul. Combat has no feel.
Funcom did so many things right but the ONE thing that progresses the game is the least fun thing about it. Combat should be tested and made exciting and fun before any mmo is signed off on. Imagine a car maker designing a super car that looks sexy and awesome but drove like a 1990's mini-van. Who the hell would even consider such a thing?
I am not sure if they updated the crafting but that also was terrible.
You stay sassy!
Completely missed on crafting, guess it flew under my radar .
You raise a nice set of things I didn't think to include. But you seem to be trying to create contention where there can't be any. What killed the game for any individual is going to be personal. Example the ugly characters, I doubt anyone is saying that you can't create an attractive character just that overwhelmingly you wind up with ugly ones and your range of beautiful is very narrow. Same goes for clothing, not that there isn't anything nice just the ratio shmatas to haute coture is a little high. In either case it's something that serves as a turn off.
Anyway lack of housing certainly needs to be on the list. I should also include the comments on PvP.
The Enlightened take things Lightly
Game is very good, still love the content. However it is flagging and Funcom really need to be taken over by a larger company that can help inject some love back into the game. With the cancellation of Titan which had pretty much the same theme as TSW I wish they would just take it over and pump some cash into the game.
Great, great game, needs a lot more funding though
This!
You seem exceptionally authoritative on these statements.
I am not a fan of TSW. I played it for couple of months and havent been back to it in a long time. So OP can not accuse m for being a fanboy.
My opinion? this whole topic is nonsense. TSW isn't killed or dead..or whatever hyperbole OP likes to use. TSW is still up and running and releases regular content updates. Does that look like a MMO that has been killed?
My advice to you OP, choose better words to convey your opinion next time because i tend to ignore topics which claims a game is dead or killed when clearly it is up and running and providing players with content updates.
Apparently something killed the game for you ? What was it.
Thanks for the advice.
when did it die?
anyways, my only 3 complaints (and have always been) are the character animations, the combat, and character faces. The first two are a big deal to me but that will never change, unfortunately. And the faces could have been better designed. FC tried to be realistic with face design but ended up being caveman realistic. The body design is fine, just not the animation. And the problem i have with the combat is that every single class is a WoW Rogue...... build build build build build FINISH, build build build build build FINISH.
If i was Joel Bylos i would do whatever it takes to overhaul that build/finisher galore and remove it from all classes and make them more fun to play. And yes, i would TOTALLY purchase that combat overhaul as a DLC or Expansion if they made it.
At least other parts of the game are pretty good if even for short term play.
^This...and I am beginning to agree with everything Big says.
I AM a fan...and think nothing killed it. To me, just is not a long term MMO as it stands...for the masses. Was AWESOME for the run I gave it. But cannot be judged the same way we do other MMO's. Best story driven first experience I have had. But once you experience it, maybe not playable again.
I wish it had more staying power for me...but it didn't.
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
For me there are 2 base ingredients TSW that makes TSW not a bankable game. Gameplay and storytelling.
Greedy payment scheme at launch aside, players are willing to pay a sub if the content is good. Look at WoW and FF. TSW doesn´t hold a candle to those games. And players arent stupid. Trying to rip them off is shooting in your own foot.
If you look at gameplay, if you take GW2 that launched as B2P, just the customisation, combat and animations already create that smooth feel that makes you connect to your character. Pulling up a map is smooth. Nothing like TSW´s `no map for this area´ message. Destiny is a good example where gameplay covers for bad storytelling and MMO features.
The fact that TSW's world is so small and most of it is instanced, doesn't help either. While other games present you jawdropping surroundings, TSW feels confined, although what locations it has, are interesting and atmospheric.
Even if you would not go the route of action based combat, the lack of basic feedback from your attacks and exclusion of smooth fun world events with epic bosses (which are numerous in GW2 and fun) and trivial mechanics like shared loot makes GW2 superior. GW2 encourages teamplay. TSW encourages you to make teams as small as possible.
The grindy scenarios are a good example. It's a boring hoardmode that hands out RNG loot for only 1 of the teammates. It's not a mistake only Funcom makes. Destiny does this as well. And thats a 500 million dollar game.
Storytelling is another. While it has a strong lore (myths and legends that are all true) that it can copy and adapts in its own way into its world, the immersion only goes so far and keeps on jumping context. There's no fixed plot. No character development and no emotional attachment. Missions are interesting but hardly ever do you connect with the NPCs.
These are basic flaws in presenting yoiur world that Funcom did not learn and I doubt has still learned. They were more focussed on trying to make the quests as witty as possible and making cutscenes with shitty dialog. They lost connection with the general audience along the way. If this is intended can be discussed. Calling it niche is a good excuse.
However there are games like Portal 2 that were innovative, had story and make you feel smart while not getting too far ahead of itself. This however i consider a matter of taste. Those are my 2 picks why TSW tanked. It's not specific to TSW, because in the end it's a game. And entertainment has some basic rules you need to follow.
May not be dead yet, but it is mostly dead and the developers look to be doing their best to help it along.
The story line is good and it's mostly enjoyable, but even that has problems. Most people won't want to do the story line in order. The difficulty jump going from New England to Egypt is very painful, especially since you can't move five feet there without bumping into a swarm of exploding fanatics.
Once you are away from the story line you are mired in all the weak points of the game, combat that has been horribly nerfed since the start, achievements that are all killcount grindfests (Kill 10,000 of everything), Grind for augments, or double gear grind for PvP so you can hang out in premade teams, and fight groups of noobs that are just hoping to get the minimum reward for being there. It just doesn't encourage people to stay with the game.
I can't comment personally on Tokyo but but the way Funcom has handled things in the past and has been consistently doing with this game has made me take a particular strategy in playing it. I am going to wait till Tokyo is all out and on sale as a bundle pack before going back to the game. I like to play my games intensely and start to finish. Dribs and Drabs just don't cut it and it is already 4 Months from the Pt 1 Tokyo to Pt 2 so far and december looks the earliest for Pt 2. I am guessing that it wont be complete till June 2015. Way too much time to be strung along stuck on cliffhangers.
I don't know for how many this is the rational choice, but I think it's enough that the game won't break out to a higher level any time soon, and will keep on going in the near life support mode it's been in.
I just gave TSW a third try because I'm a stubborn bitch and if so many ppl chant about wonders of this game it must have it. Ofc I like the idea behind this game, others I would have never even spitted to it's direction as I don't go with hype.
But like two times before, somewhere around Egypt I gave up. And I really sat down and gave it a thought, why, why, why can't I stand this game after two weeks of playing, every time the same thing, I start with a feeling YES! I get the skills, I get the builds, I don't do badly, why I then want to flip my mouse in pure frustration out of the window and go to Funcom and strangle someone?
Because I don't feel I'm playing a game, I feel like I'm playing against the game-engine. It's the fucking engine. I hate it. I can't adapt to it.
I can't stand tab-targeting, but I try to tolerate it. But then I have to keep my RMB down to move. My brains refuse to accept it. I have this character that can't really jump, and for gods sake, it can't grap a ledge and pull itself up. Yet I'm demanded to jump all the time. I kill trash-mobs more than in any Korean grinder just to move from A to B. Forced solo-quests where you are doomed to die several times until your gear breaks. If you force me to solo against your idiotic game-mechanisms and your idiotic learn-how-this-fight-is-scripted instances at least make it so that my gear does not break.
Again I faced several bugs where something did not appear, something was not clickable, something did not work how it was intended. This game is years old. If they can't fix their crap, bye.
Life is too short for things like this game.
At the end of the day its just another themepark mmorpg and we have so many of those already people are just bored of them..
I did play the secret world for a bit but I am not a fan of themeparks but i liked the fresh world setting and some of the game mechanics.. but sadly you cant get away from the fact that its still your standard issue themepark mmo..
Also their other main mmorpg Age of Conan is a hell of a lot better.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Judging by some of the replies here and on the official forums it seems that The Secret World has three larger groups of players (and some smaller). The ones that love the story and lore and do all missions and watch all cutscenes, the ones that love the end-game and grind and do some missions but try to hurry up to end-game, and the ones that enjoy both.
For Funcom I think the trouble starts with the end-gamers already defeating the Gatekeeper at the end of Blue Mountain and start of Egypt. They have no real reason to do any missions but the issues for gear and possible signet runs after that. So there is no real reason to do anything after Blue Mountain or earlier when you can acquire full QL10 blues. Please note before replying to this that this of course differs depending on the players skills and other personal player variables.
The mission and lore buffs they love the whole thing until the end of Transylvania (and if they enjoy it a lot they invest in Mission Packs/Side Missions, Tokyo etc) if they get that far. There has been a lot of threads on the official forums stating that people get stuck here and there for different reasons. Remember that a portion of these players have very little interest in game mechanics, and tinkering with it. They usually stick to getting the "outfit" they want or cookie cutter builds that may not be great at soloing all the time. Some do take some interest and do get the build right though.
Then we have the happy medium. The folks that actually enjoy both going through all the content, collecting all the honeycombs and the end-game grind too. These are the ideal Funcom customers. It's rather difficult to satisfy everyone.
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