So, yes..I can play as a free player, and access everything a sub player can, its just going to take more time to do it...
is this the simple answer?
Basically yes.
There are no limitation of anything in this game like only patron status can use epic gears or anything like that (like how SWTOR did it).
And you can't buy gears with stats directly from cash shop.
This is correct.
All patron gives you is the ability to level up in the game faster due to the use of labor. As a F2P you can do everything a patron can do except own land. Without owning land you can't really use the labor points so they don't matter. And right now there isn't any land available so even a patron is pretty handicapped.
So, yes..I can play as a free player, and access everything a sub player can, its just going to take more time to do it...
is this the simple answer?
Basically yes.
There are no limitation of anything in this game like only patron status can use epic gears or anything like that (like how SWTOR did it).
And you can't buy gears with stats directly from cash shop.
This is correct.
All patron gives you is the ability to level up in the game faster due to the use of labor. As a F2P you can do everything a patron can do except own land. Without owning land you can't really use the labor points so they don't matter. And right now there isn't any land available so even a patron is pretty handicapped.
Heh, instead of P2W, you make the game sound like Pay-To-"Doesn't Matter because it'll be terrible either way".
So, yes..I can play as a free player, and access everything a sub player can, its just going to take more time to do it...
is this the simple answer?
Basically yes.
There are no limitation of anything in this game like only patron status can use epic gears or anything like that (like how SWTOR did it).
And you can't buy gears with stats directly from cash shop.
This is correct.
All patron gives you is the ability to level up in the game faster due to the use of labor. As a F2P you can do everything a patron can do except own land. Without owning land you can't really use the labor points so they don't matter. And right now there isn't any land available so even a patron is pretty handicapped.
Heh, instead of P2W, you make the game sound like Pay-To-"Doesn't Matter because it'll be terrible either way".
There is plenty of land becoming available, both through being left to expire and being sold for in game gold.
Freebs can, and do, use guild land through the use of families. Freebs can, and do, use their labour to help guilds in return for being helped, from crafting packs, to processing raws, to harvesting/ gathering.
Freebs can make a ton of gold in this game simply by playing. By this playing they can easily buy patron for in game gold, and labour pots, and land.
I know Freebs that , since starting at launch, have earned Patron for themselves and now 100% self support through game play. They haven't spent a dime and they they progress fully as fast and as easily as a paying customer, because they buy everything from the cash shop with in game gold.
I know it suits the haters to believe every negative thing they see here, and ignore every actual positive truth, but let's take a break just for a second?
Not really, leveling up in this game is pretty fast. There were people max level in a couple days. I think you can get to 50 in maybe 25-50 hours play? For an MMO it is pretty fast.
Also keep in mind that land is the key to getting the labor advantage. Without land you are looking at needing a patron account and spending a lot of money also buying apex for gold to do trade skills.
So, yes..I can play as a free player, and access everything a sub player can, its just going to take more time to do it...
is this the simple answer?
Basically yes.
There are no limitation of anything in this game like only patron status can use epic gears or anything like that (like how SWTOR did it).
And you can't buy gears with stats directly from cash shop.
This is correct.
All patron gives you is the ability to level up in the game faster due to the use of labor. As a F2P you can do everything a patron can do except own land. Without owning land you can't really use the labor points so they don't matter. And right now there isn't any land available so even a patron is pretty handicapped.
Heh, instead of P2W, you make the game sound like Pay-To-"Doesn't Matter because it'll be terrible either way".
There is plenty of land becoming available, both through being left to expire and being sold for in game gold.
Freebs can, and do, use guild land through the use of families. Freebs can, and do, use their labour to help guilds in return for being helped, from crafting packs, to processing raws, to harvesting/ gathering.
Freebs can make a ton of gold in this game simply by playing. By this playing they can easily buy patron for in game gold, and labour pots, and land.
I know Freebs that , since starting at launch, have earned Patron for themselves and now 100% self support through game play. They haven't spent a dime and they they progress fully as fast and as easily as a paying customer, because they buy everything from the cash shop with in game gold.
I know it suits the haters to believe every negative thing they see here, and ignore every actual positive truth, but let's take a break just for a second?
True but only half truth. I found someone selling a 16x16 plot and he wanted 400g for it. There are not a lot of people offering to sell land. 400g is a lot of money. Without land and buying resources to do trade runs you make 1-2g profit. You can PvP for trade packs but that is not a sure thing unless you got plenty of help. You can grind for loot from mobs but that is going to take a long time and will be limited by labor.
So yes you can pretty easily make the money in game to buy your patron status, however, getting land will be a far more difficult task. Maybe there will come a time when it starts freeing up but it hasn't so far. I've been running from land area to land area every day and even camping expired times. I have both a 16x16 and 24x24 house plans I've been carrying around. nothing has presented itself. I have a couple on my list that expire today which I will be camping. I've stayed up till 3am only to find the plot gone. I've even gotten up at 5am to get one that was going to expire again for naught.
So when someone tells you you can find land still you gotta be VERY lucky.
You can however make an 8x8 on the temporary land. There is space there but every week you gotta rebuild it. It is better than nothing...
Originally posted by ethion Originally posted by Sulaapay to faster = pay to win/thread
Not really, leveling up in this game is pretty fast. There were people max level in a couple days. I think you can get to 50 in maybe 25-50 hours play? For an MMO it is pretty fast.
Also keep in mind that land is the key to getting the labor advantage. Without land you are looking at needing a patron account and spending a lot of money also buying apex for gold to do trade skills.
Not without paying for it. More then 1 hour a level at F2P...
So, yes..I can play as a free player, and access everything a sub player can, its just going to take more time to do it...
is this the simple answer?
Basically yes.
There are no limitation of anything in this game like only patron status can use epic gears or anything like that (like how SWTOR did it).
And you can't buy gears with stats directly from cash shop.
This is correct.
All patron gives you is the ability to level up in the game faster due to the use of labor. As a F2P you can do everything a patron can do except own land. Without owning land you can't really use the labor points so they don't matter. And right now there isn't any land available so even a patron is pretty handicapped.
Heh, instead of P2W, you make the game sound like Pay-To-"Doesn't Matter because it'll be terrible either way".
There is plenty of land becoming available, both through being left to expire and being sold for in game gold.
Freebs can, and do, use guild land through the use of families. Freebs can, and do, use their labour to help guilds in return for being helped, from crafting packs, to processing raws, to harvesting/ gathering.
Freebs can make a ton of gold in this game simply by playing. By this playing they can easily buy patron for in game gold, and labour pots, and land.
I know Freebs that , since starting at launch, have earned Patron for themselves and now 100% self support through game play. They haven't spent a dime and they they progress fully as fast and as easily as a paying customer, because they buy everything from the cash shop with in game gold.
I know it suits the haters to believe every negative thing they see here, and ignore every actual positive truth, but let's take a break just for a second?
True but only half truth. I found someone selling a 16x16 plot and he wanted 400g for it. There are not a lot of people offering to sell land. 400g is a lot of money.
So yes you can pretty easily make the money in game to buy your patron status.
You can however make an 8x8 on the temporary land. There is space there but every week you gotta rebuild it.
Maybe this is a server thing, but nope, on mine it is 100% truth. I saw the same size farm go for 200gp just yesterday on my server. I am sure that on the newer servers it is even cheaper.
200gp is easily achievable, no matter what you account status is. Hell, I give out multiple trade pack components to freebs that show they are willing to work and interact with the guild daily, as well as use of my spare 8x8.
Making the claim that it is not pay-to-win because you can buy APEX with gold as a free player is overlooking the fact that someone just paid $20 USD for 110-120 in game gold.
APEX sells for $10 for 1250 credits. You need 2 of them to get patron status. They sell for 55-60 in game gold on the auction house.
Making the claim that it is not pay-to-win because you can buy APEX with gold as a free player is overlooking the fact that someone just paid $20 USD for 110-120 in game gold.
APEX sells for $10 for 1250 credits. You need 2 of them to get patron status. They sell for 55-60 in game gold on the auction house.
Every transaction for APEX already involved a $20 purchase. Buying in-game gold with real life money is pay-to-win.
I agree with this.
The question is what pay2win means and for me have diferent definition according to the game. I allready play pay2win games based in your definition and have to quit because at some point i coulndt progress unless i spend alot of money in CS. This is not the case for me in AA, in fact the actuall system dont intefear directlly on my gameplay experience and when it does is in a positive way thanks to the people that spend money in CS and sell the stuff in AH.
Any game that allow RMT can be allways be classifie as a P2W, but its important to look what "win" means and if the system force you to spend real money to sucessed and this is not the case of AA at least for me.
But i dont mind to take my time to get stuff in-game, for those who wants everthing tomorow might be p2w.
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This is correct.
All patron gives you is the ability to level up in the game faster due to the use of labor. As a F2P you can do everything a patron can do except own land. Without owning land you can't really use the labor points so they don't matter. And right now there isn't any land available so even a patron is pretty handicapped.
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Ethion
pay to faster = pay to win
/thread
Heh, instead of P2W, you make the game sound like Pay-To-"Doesn't Matter because it'll be terrible either way".
There is plenty of land becoming available, both through being left to expire and being sold for in game gold.
Freebs can, and do, use guild land through the use of families. Freebs can, and do, use their labour to help guilds in return for being helped, from crafting packs, to processing raws, to harvesting/ gathering.
Freebs can make a ton of gold in this game simply by playing. By this playing they can easily buy patron for in game gold, and labour pots, and land.
I know Freebs that , since starting at launch, have earned Patron for themselves and now 100% self support through game play. They haven't spent a dime and they they progress fully as fast and as easily as a paying customer, because they buy everything from the cash shop with in game gold.
I know it suits the haters to believe every negative thing they see here, and ignore every actual positive truth, but let's take a break just for a second?
Not really, leveling up in this game is pretty fast. There were people max level in a couple days. I think you can get to 50 in maybe 25-50 hours play? For an MMO it is pretty fast.
Also keep in mind that land is the key to getting the labor advantage. Without land you are looking at needing a patron account and spending a lot of money also buying apex for gold to do trade skills.
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Ethion
True but only half truth. I found someone selling a 16x16 plot and he wanted 400g for it. There are not a lot of people offering to sell land. 400g is a lot of money. Without land and buying resources to do trade runs you make 1-2g profit. You can PvP for trade packs but that is not a sure thing unless you got plenty of help. You can grind for loot from mobs but that is going to take a long time and will be limited by labor.
So yes you can pretty easily make the money in game to buy your patron status, however, getting land will be a far more difficult task. Maybe there will come a time when it starts freeing up but it hasn't so far. I've been running from land area to land area every day and even camping expired times. I have both a 16x16 and 24x24 house plans I've been carrying around. nothing has presented itself. I have a couple on my list that expire today which I will be camping. I've stayed up till 3am only to find the plot gone. I've even gotten up at 5am to get one that was going to expire again for naught.
So when someone tells you you can find land still you gotta be VERY lucky.
You can however make an 8x8 on the temporary land. There is space there but every week you gotta rebuild it. It is better than nothing...
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Ethion
Also keep in mind that land is the key to getting the labor advantage. Without land you are looking at needing a patron account and spending a lot of money also buying apex for gold to do trade skills.
Not without paying for it. More then 1 hour a level at F2P...
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Maybe this is a server thing, but nope, on mine it is 100% truth. I saw the same size farm go for 200gp just yesterday on my server. I am sure that on the newer servers it is even cheaper.
200gp is easily achievable, no matter what you account status is. Hell, I give out multiple trade pack components to freebs that show they are willing to work and interact with the guild daily, as well as use of my spare 8x8.
They seem to be making money just fine.
Making the claim that it is not pay-to-win because you can buy APEX with gold as a free player is overlooking the fact that someone just paid $20 USD for 110-120 in game gold.
APEX sells for $10 for 1250 credits. You need 2 of them to get patron status. They sell for 55-60 in game gold on the auction house.
As seen on the Glyph management site.
Every transaction for APEX already involved a $20 purchase. Buying in-game gold with real life money is pay-to-win.
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Try a MUD today at http://www.mudconnect.com/I agree with this.
The question is what pay2win means and for me have diferent definition according to the game. I allready play pay2win games based in your definition and have to quit because at some point i coulndt progress unless i spend alot of money in CS. This is not the case for me in AA, in fact the actuall system dont intefear directlly on my gameplay experience and when it does is in a positive way thanks to the people that spend money in CS and sell the stuff in AH.
Any game that allow RMT can be allways be classifie as a P2W, but its important to look what "win" means and if the system force you to spend real money to sucessed and this is not the case of AA at least for me.
But i dont mind to take my time to get stuff in-game, for those who wants everthing tomorow might be p2w.