Originally posted by fivoroth Some people still use XP? That thing is ancient and it looks as it came out of a 1980s movie.
Why are they going for 10 instead of 9? Any particular reasoning they are skipping 9?!
The reason seems to be some sloppy programmers
even in some open source libraries in java the programmers checked for the windows version by checking the name (instead of version number) - and to make it easier they check for version names starting with "Windows 9" to identify Windows 95 and Windows 98.
so if MS will release Windows 9 some programms refuse to run because they think its Windows 95/98
I hated Windows eight... until I actually tried it. In fact, I disliked it a great deal the first month after installing it on one of my computers as pretty much everything was changed. Had to relearn most things, customize most everything to suit my needs, learn hotkeys and the myriad of tips and tricks required to make everything really fast.
As a whole, if I were to pick between Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 at the moment, I'd definitely pick Windows 8.1. It's just a superior OS for gaming -- albeit if only slightly -- and the ability to access whatever program I want and customize just about everything has saved me hours upon hours of time due to the fact that I can get to it instantly and without rummaging through folder after folder or even go through multiple steps just to access a search function as I did in Windows seven.
While doing some research when I was contemplating throwing Eight into the trash a first few weeks after trying it, I learned a great deal about it -- how many features were improved, the stability, the updated Kernal, etc. There was even people saying that you'd get additional FPS in video games -- something of which I later confirmed to be true, at least on my end (having multiple gaming computers, usually with the same setups).
To say that I was humbled as a whole in believing hype and popular opinion of something that was new was an understatement. It's something I have to admit to in that I believe I was an utter fool. Though would I recommend eight over seven? If you've never tried seven, or you are deciding on the two... then yes. If you already have seven, then the upgrade probably wasn't worth a hundred bucks just for the headache that involved relearning everything and applying internet hate to reasons why you dislike it more after installing it.
There is no disputing that it is a superior product to seven (if thinking objectively and going off of improvements in general) -- I don't think anyone knows it's ins and outs disagrees with this. It's just that it changed too much over the past iteration, the initial interface wasn't great, and people just naturally enjoy hating something new, especially if they don't understand it. When marketing to the casual PC user crowd, the one that is the easiest to understand is usually the winner. We even see this in Console gaming; in the last few generations, the weakest of the machines was the most popular by a landslide -- at least initially. It's also an issue with console gaming versus PC gaming, even after the introduction of plug and play mechanics. Add to that that people follow the opinions of the "popular" folk and like to stick it to Microsoft from time to time, and you have what is known as Windows Eight.
Windows eight is very much like the underrated MMORPG. People read reviews and hate it, play the first few hours and hate it, etc. Though those who stuck with it see it as the gem that it is. It was attempted to be marketed as the Hardcore Gamer's OS after it failed to attract the attention of the casual market with it's interface and possibility (not forcing you) of using a touch screen. Though I've found the touch screen -- while not even having a touch screen monitor -- to actually be quite better than the desktop and kept it on once I was used to it. No more messy screens, it auto kept it nice and tidy for me, I could customize where everything else, place multiple direct shortcuts, use hot key strokes. The experience is just... well, better than windows seven. This coming from a guy who bought Windows seven almost a dozen times for multiple PCs, laptops and for friends / families. Now all of my gaming stations run 8.1 and I couldn't be happier with it.
The one weakness I saw in Windows eight -- and indeed, even Windows 7 -- was that of certain aspects of networking. Heck, I know people who still use NT or Vista because they have features that neither the last two OS's have. But I'd say Windows 7 was the "tick" of gaming OS releases, with Windows eight being an improved "tock" that made it superior, but aesthetically failed (originally) to captivate and held within it far too many changes for people to accept it as anything less than an abomination and deviation, along with the popular opinion saying it wasn't a good OS.
Windows seven is more popular as a whole, and was more profitable for them. This is mainly because it was a good OS in itself, especially after the travesty that was Vista to PC gamers. Windows 7 pretty much had everything we needed, to the point where it wasn't worth spending money just to relearn everything, and sought out opinions of others to keep us away and further give us reasons not to upgrade. But to say Windows 8.1 isn't better than 7 is pure blasphemy if thinking objectively. Though it's a legit thing to say if you're going off of personal preference on what feels better to you personally, especially since people as a whole don't like change and gravitate to what they feel more comfortable with. Why reinvent the wheel when you have a working car and know where everything is in it?
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I read that they are skipping 9 and going straight to 10. As far as Windows 8, I have it and can do everything I did with older version. They obviously moved things around, and you need some extra clicks to do some stuff, but for the most part it is all there. I think it is more a case of who moved my cheese, when it comes to the naysayers.
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The reason seems to be some sloppy programmers
even in some open source libraries in java the programmers checked for the windows version by checking the name (instead of version number) - and to make it easier they check for version names starting with "Windows 9" to identify Windows 95 and Windows 98.
so if MS will release Windows 9 some programms refuse to run because they think its Windows 95/98
I hated Windows eight... until I actually tried it. In fact, I disliked it a great deal the first month after installing it on one of my computers as pretty much everything was changed. Had to relearn most things, customize most everything to suit my needs, learn hotkeys and the myriad of tips and tricks required to make everything really fast.
As a whole, if I were to pick between Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 at the moment, I'd definitely pick Windows 8.1. It's just a superior OS for gaming -- albeit if only slightly -- and the ability to access whatever program I want and customize just about everything has saved me hours upon hours of time due to the fact that I can get to it instantly and without rummaging through folder after folder or even go through multiple steps just to access a search function as I did in Windows seven.
While doing some research when I was contemplating throwing Eight into the trash a first few weeks after trying it, I learned a great deal about it -- how many features were improved, the stability, the updated Kernal, etc. There was even people saying that you'd get additional FPS in video games -- something of which I later confirmed to be true, at least on my end (having multiple gaming computers, usually with the same setups).
To say that I was humbled as a whole in believing hype and popular opinion of something that was new was an understatement. It's something I have to admit to in that I believe I was an utter fool. Though would I recommend eight over seven? If you've never tried seven, or you are deciding on the two... then yes. If you already have seven, then the upgrade probably wasn't worth a hundred bucks just for the headache that involved relearning everything and applying internet hate to reasons why you dislike it more after installing it.
There is no disputing that it is a superior product to seven (if thinking objectively and going off of improvements in general) -- I don't think anyone knows it's ins and outs disagrees with this. It's just that it changed too much over the past iteration, the initial interface wasn't great, and people just naturally enjoy hating something new, especially if they don't understand it. When marketing to the casual PC user crowd, the one that is the easiest to understand is usually the winner. We even see this in Console gaming; in the last few generations, the weakest of the machines was the most popular by a landslide -- at least initially. It's also an issue with console gaming versus PC gaming, even after the introduction of plug and play mechanics. Add to that that people follow the opinions of the "popular" folk and like to stick it to Microsoft from time to time, and you have what is known as Windows Eight.
Windows eight is very much like the underrated MMORPG. People read reviews and hate it, play the first few hours and hate it, etc. Though those who stuck with it see it as the gem that it is. It was attempted to be marketed as the Hardcore Gamer's OS after it failed to attract the attention of the casual market with it's interface and possibility (not forcing you) of using a touch screen. Though I've found the touch screen -- while not even having a touch screen monitor -- to actually be quite better than the desktop and kept it on once I was used to it. No more messy screens, it auto kept it nice and tidy for me, I could customize where everything else, place multiple direct shortcuts, use hot key strokes. The experience is just... well, better than windows seven. This coming from a guy who bought Windows seven almost a dozen times for multiple PCs, laptops and for friends / families. Now all of my gaming stations run 8.1 and I couldn't be happier with it.
The one weakness I saw in Windows eight -- and indeed, even Windows 7 -- was that of certain aspects of networking. Heck, I know people who still use NT or Vista because they have features that neither the last two OS's have. But I'd say Windows 7 was the "tick" of gaming OS releases, with Windows eight being an improved "tock" that made it superior, but aesthetically failed (originally) to captivate and held within it far too many changes for people to accept it as anything less than an abomination and deviation, along with the popular opinion saying it wasn't a good OS.
Windows seven is more popular as a whole, and was more profitable for them. This is mainly because it was a good OS in itself, especially after the travesty that was Vista to PC gamers. Windows 7 pretty much had everything we needed, to the point where it wasn't worth spending money just to relearn everything, and sought out opinions of others to keep us away and further give us reasons not to upgrade. But to say Windows 8.1 isn't better than 7 is pure blasphemy if thinking objectively. Though it's a legit thing to say if you're going off of personal preference on what feels better to you personally, especially since people as a whole don't like change and gravitate to what they feel more comfortable with. Why reinvent the wheel when you have a working car and know where everything is in it?
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