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Increasing the number of TS trees and available Archeum is a good fix. It's what the players have wanted since Alpha and putting it in the cash shop isn't as zealous as some people make it out to be.
That being said, it's too late.
My guild has moved on to other games at this point and no one has any interest in returning. Had this been communicated earlier and a more detailed plan been given out perhaps we'd have given Trion a bit more time to fix its current issues. But alas, they continue to deny the existence of hacks and have shown that they can't be counted to on to deliver a consistent experience from day to day. Another company, some other day, things could have been different....
I'm casual but I never wanted to buy advancement from a cash shop. I know some people who run business, working 12+ hours a day and still play hardcore and well because they want it to be like that. They are not basement dwellers.
Being able to buy advancements from a cash shop is pure p2w. Of course there are different levels of p2w but AA is one of the worst in Western market because your sub doesn't cover cash shop goodies. There are other examples too but AA is a prime example of a p2w MMO imho where you can win other players/time spending cash.
Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.
probably saying it because he had to get his credit card out to win the next couple of battles, says it all really.
Still all depends on your definition of "Win". Right now it is easier for a free or casual patron player to make gold.
It is of course easiest to spend a few hundred on Apex to make gold. Again though, if everyone was doing that Apex would lose it's value, and it hasn't. Also you can still attain the same gear without spending anything really and putting serious time in. Or pay a sub and get there a bit quicker. Or pay a sub and buy Apex every once in a while to get there a bit faster than that.
Looking forward to: Crowfall / Lost Ark / Black Desert Mobile
No like I said the economy has changed greatly. It has enabled players to work and become successful. Not just those who are willing to fork out huge ammounts of cash. Now when I spend 20$ on the game I feel good instead of like someone punched me in the face.
Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.
Not everyone has the time or the desire to grind 80 hours a week for multiple weeks I'd rather just work 3 hours at my job and be able to pay for the 10 months if it was fun.
or to put it another way saying he I worked the equivalent two jobs for several weeks grinding to get some decent gear and 10 months worth of subscription is not really all that impressive. Time when used right is indeed money, and we all have a limited amount of time in our lives.
I'm happy that the price of trees has dropped however I do want to mention that these boxes are also gambles. Today I drank the cool aid and bought $20 worth of boxes. This is pretty unusual for me to spend this money but the mood of my guild was infectious. From the dozens of trees I planted on my farm, I got a grand total of zero thunderstrucks. Wasn't a guarantee and thunderstrucks certainly weren't appearing like Candy for me. I ended up just buying a tree off the AH and am growing cedars for my remaining tree (want a fishing boat). I am rather poor in the game and had to scramble of most of my money through trade runs, farming, etc.
i can't imagine the money some players must be pumping into the game. I have guildmates that have probably sunk in hundreds if not more into the game. I love the game but at this point have very mixed emotions. What pisses me off even more are some exploits where some players are making thousands of gold off these boxes--at least they were last night before the thunderstruck market crashed. I am very concerned about the economy and wish that it had been balanced in other ways.
What part of pay to win do you not understand? You states TS trees were something useful in game, that only the rich and hard working could get now all one has to do is pull out the credit card and PAY for something that will help you WIN. I'm not saying that trion doesn't need to make money somehow, but its not rocket science to see how this is p2w
...fair system or not, that's still pay-to-win. I mean, you kinda said it, yourself, right there...
(that said, only $30? Even with the new cash shop boxes, that's awfully optimistic of you, I think)
So what your saying is your still paying for a advantage to in theory win?
Shouldn't your thread title then be a little more honest as you yourself admit its still P2W just with a easier entry level now as the bar has been lowered. Last I checked TSW had a cash shop that didn't sell advantages, how they survive I'm not sure but they seem to be doing so meaning perhaps F2P games can actually be free?
Sounds good huh? Now when someone gets it through ingame play they get 400g less. Prices of top end gear haven't changed though huh? This will widen the gap over the course of a month or so. I've seen it happen before.
I suggest who ever is playing right now save every cent and don't think of it as in game gold. It's not it's money in a number of different ways. In a few months most thing obtainable will be worth a fraction of what they are now.
So, the only thing you will buy in the shop, is the WIN?
Cash shop items and APEX will likely go up in gold at this rate though. Cause like, most APEX and cash purchases will now go towards these rumbling saplings and everything else (greater demand for real life cash, prices go up. Increased gold from people with their new fishing boats and wagons thanks to cheap TS trees means prices go up even higher for cash items. But not for TS and archaem since those drop like rain from the new boxes)
End result? Most of the most valuable things you can earn in-game like TS trees and crystals now sell for less. Meanwhile, things you can't earn in-game like regrades and APEX now sell for more. Over time, this just places the economical power more in the hands of those spending cash.
If it was p2w I wouldn't be able to spend gold to buy a seed that gives me the same thing. Pay gold for an apex that lets me buy the same thing. Or the guy spending cash would be getting something I cant; which he isn't.
You still have to plant it, harvest it, and be favored by the RNG gods. As it is the cash shop tree is only more convenient but not a means to an end that isn't available outside of the cash shop.
This is taking gold away from gold sellers, and has driven the cost of apex up which also helps reduce gold sales.
Some people are just pissed because trion did something about the ability of some to amass 10's of thousands of gold that was most likely being sold to the gold sellers, because no one needs that much gold for any reason other than to make real world money off it.
First of all, you can only get the rumbling saplings from the cash shop. So someone is spending money at some point to get them.
But also, it goes both ways. If you can buy things with gold, you can also buy them with cash through apex. Game is basically p2w as soon as they have apex in a game that is so dependent on in-game currency.
There are limits to what you can do in-game, time being the biggest constrictor. But some people A LOT of disposable income and are bypassing those limits.
I don't have too much of a problem with this kind of thing in a game like Neverwinter, which is really f2p. But in Archeage, you need to spend the 15 bucks a month for land and labor.
Mixing this p2w stuff with what is basically a subscription game is why everyone is so upset. Throw on the fact that the whole endgame basically revolves around PVP and it's basically a deal-breaker for many.
If it was a PVE oriented game, people wouldn't be as upset that others are able to clear content easier. But people are getting KILLED in this game because of it.
You know who says this? Publishers...
This is the publisher answer to "P2W", you're going to have to do better than that to convince the overall consumer base though.
Let me break it down this way, even though I hate using analogies, say I'm playing football or basketball. I have a limit in how I can perform actions... Now say this other guy comes along and opens up his wallet and a barrier breaks down. He no longer has to dribble (grind) he can just circumvent the entire process. What would that be called in such a game?
This is what it basically boils down to for some folks. I personally couldn't care less. SO I don't argue from a position of being bent out of shape over such options. However I do see why some folks have a problem with it. ON multiple levels.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
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@ op
your credit card is very very strong if you are that ignorant.
Ive sold everything and Ive quit the game.
12.500 golds are sitting on my account. Im going to log back when things will be different.