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I think the people only who see that the P2W argument has zero merit is dwindling. It''s pretty much been proven at this point. But by all means, keep going. If you can't prove the game's not P2W by using complete facts, the next thing to do is to throw in some subjectivity into the argument. Something like "You don't really win in an MMO" Which has no bearing on how players are using the cash shop to kick ass in PVP. But it sounds good though right?
Mr. Kano will keep this going for a while. He has after all been playing this game for 2+ years in varios regions and is still a diehard supporter. I think at this point it's best just not to discuss AA at all with him as he is convinced that AA is the best MMO out there.
Honestly at the point when the game pretty much starts selling all the rarest in-game materials in the cash shop at a high obtainable rate like AA is doing now, and people still don't think it's P2W, there really isn't going to be any chance whatsoever of EVER convincing them by that point (not necessarily because they're stubborn, but simply because their definition of what's pay-to-win, if they even believe such a concept exists in the first place, is such that almost NO F2P cash shop will ever be it as long as the cash shop items are tradeable. Of course, sometimes they're just being stubborn, too)
I agree. That's why I said it's better to not get in any discussion with Kano about the game unless it is to praise it.
He is everywhere!
He needs to go to the official forums and fix it there! It is a travesty. ArcheAge General Discussion.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
How you personally define "P2W" may be subjective, but what is happening in AA with RMT is not. It's reality. And while I would never tell someone they are crazy over not seeing that, I will say that your observations are selective at best.
To call moving a rare drop item to the Cash shop brilliance is questionable. But given tha tyou are not looking at the flip side and the negative impact on the player base but rather looking at it as a monopoly breaker. is why I say selective. If breaking a market hold is good, well, OK but just keep in mind that the down side is the idea of a player driven economy is a fallacy or an illusion.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
I like to play Monopoly. You move around the board, hoping to land on some good squares to get some cash or bonuses, and you hope to avoid the enemy's properties that will cost you money. As you progress, you earn more and more in rents, you get to buy more properties and buy more improvements, like houses and hotels.
Then one day, they introduced AA Monopoly, and my buddy just uses his credit card to buy all his hotels and properties. He can buy as much Monopoly money as he wants, using real cash.
Ruined the game for me.
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2025: 48 years on the Net.
It only comes down to this. The cash shop gives a way for people who work, to play the game on par with people who can play all day long. End of story there is no conspiracy or anything lol. You guys are making it way to complicated lol. I have played for 6 days, and i have over 190 gold.... I wasent even really trying here, not even close. It basically goes alittle something like that, it takes me around 12 hours of play time to get 100 gold, now that is by no means the max some one can make in the game, I am sure vets can make 100 gold way easier, we are going to use the 100 gold in 12 hours though. Now we got Jim bob over here who cant play 12 hours, but he has 10 dollars, so instead of spending 12 hours grinding, he spends 10 dollars and i buy the apex for 100 gold, win win for every one.
The guy who dumped 12 grand into the game, all he managed to do was cut the grind down from like a few months to a few weeks. He is not winning anything lol. Some one who just plays the game, can always catch up to him. You make it sound like if you keep dumping in money, your going to get better and better. There is a point where all you managed to do is make it so you have everything in the game.
So why are you crying because some one didnt want to play months to get everything, they wanted to get in in weeks. Who fucking cares lol. If some one wants to play for 3 months instead of paying for it, who cares. There is nothing on the cash shop that makes u a god lol. The only pay to win game i can think of is Star wars galxies, the one you all grab your balls and sing happy songs about lol. That game right there nigga was pay to fucking be a god. All you needed was 2 grand, and you would be a mother fucking GOD. One jedi could wipe the floor with 12 plus bounty hunters. I remember i spend a month to get to max with my bounty hunter. I finnally tracked a jedi, he was playing with npcs, i waited till he had 10 percent life, sent everything i had at him, and he didnt even come close to dying. THAT IS PAY TO WIN.
As for arche age, even if you jumped in right now and dumped 100 grand into the pay shop, the guy whos been playing since alpha, who only paid 150, is going to wipe the floor with you. There is nothing at all you are going to buy to make it so your a god. You might be able to jump up from 1 to 50 in a day, and have the best gear that day. But you arent going to be over any one else lol.
Are you seriously asking that?
When players began to "drive" the economy, Trion just changed the rules. There is NO player economy here. Once someone gains an edge in the market, there will be a cash shop change to counter it. Trion drives the economy, Players just feed into it.
Come on DMK.
I must admit if there was a title of Grandmaster of the Sidestep you would hold it!
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
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@DMKano
Listen to yourself man.... You used to have intelligent things to say
How many hundreds have you spent?
You have gone way beyond the point of being rational with this game.... Seriously
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Yah
And I'm the Emperor of China
If you have kids.... don't forget about them
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
This explains a lot.
But, the fact that you found a free ride on the coat tails of big spenders doesn't make the game any less P2W. It just means you are extremely fortunate to have gotten someone(s) else to pay for your "win"
I could give two fucks about pixel trees in a pixel market.
My comments were aimed at real cash spent.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Just to be clear in a way that everyone can undestand.
P2W = When the Player who spend more money on the CS can earn and do things faster that someone who doesnt.
A few Examples that everyone knows:
In SWTOR a guy who spend $10000 on the cartel market in a single month will have the same benefits that someone who is just paying the sub. we cant say the same about AA.
is AA P2W, YES. like pretty much 99% of the F2P Korean MMOs.
If it has no merit how come you haven't defended your position in your other thread in 11 pages and counting last time i checked?
/popcorn
When I wake up, the real nightmare begins
Short term - paying will give you an advantage - but longeterm - it's the players who earn in game gold that stick around and come out on top. : PROOF?
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No? I didnt think so.
IMO:
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Is simply an opinion which means nothing.
/popcorn
When I wake up, the real nightmare begins
You didn't even post in your own thread in 11+ pages to defend yourself once people proved you wrong
/popcorn
When I wake up, the real nightmare begins
Or just stop defending yourself and hiding for 11+ pages in your own thread
/popcorn
When I wake up, the real nightmare begins
If someone pays cash for apex and puts it on the AH..then I buy the apex with game gold. Are they then paying for me to win?
Just wondering....because I'm okay with that.
Obviously the other guy paid even more then.
To find an intelligent person in a PUG is not that rare, but to find a PUG made up of "all" intelligent people is one of the rarest phenomenons in the known universe.
+1 This.
Imagine if going to the movie theatre was free. Oh yea, thats right, it isn't and never will be. The Gods forbid people PAY for something they enjoy and spend time on, lol. 38 here so old enough to have played the first MMO's and still gaming enough to play most of the modern ones. FTP sucks - I have a career and make enough income to not feel like $15 is too much to pay for some great, engrossing entertainment that I am going to use multiple times a week - it's not going to break the bank. Shit, half the people that complain about a $15 sub turn around and piss away twice that on fast food garbage a couple times a week, lol. If $15 is a lot, and too much pay for premium entertainment, those people should raise their standards. Entertainment isn't charity, its not something everyone DESERVES - you don't have a right to it. Video games don't need to be an "even playing field". What other media works like that, lol? Music? Movies? Nope - you pay for your entertainment or you steal it or you don't get it at all. Since MMO's cant be stolen, it looks like people need to get used to opening the pocket book and paying their fair share. I didn't put in any points about the quality and all the other stuff that comes with P2P because many have already went there - just wanted to say something others don't or are afraid to say. :P Just imagine if they made Six Flags or Universal Studios free - it would always be full and the quality of the community would go to shit because there is no quality control or barrier to entry - you get every type of person in the experience. That's not actually a good thing (trolls and griefers make the experience bad).