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Six-month sub option removed: What does it mean?
d_20
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Seems ZOS has removed the option to sub for six months. There are only one-month and 90-day options now.
Some are speculating that this means f2p or b2p is imminent.
What do you think it means?
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Wouldn't be too surprising if that was the case. Unfortunately it seems that not many MMO's can subsist on the subscription payment model anymore. Which is a shame, in my opinion at least, since that's the payment model that I prefer.
Wish I knew. F2P equals goodbye for me unless they keep a "sub only" server. B2P with no P2W items in the shop is good though.
ZoS was having a lot of problems with billing. Lot of people couldn't get their cc/debt cards to work so had to go over to paypal which made a lot of people upset. I look at it they fixed the issue but for some reason it just won't take the six month so they pulled it. I was one at start that had to move to paypal to get it to go through. It is fixed now so I moved to what I originally wanted to have it set at.
I don't believe this has anything to do with F2P.
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They don't have to discount it at all just because you sub for longer at once. And even if they are doing mighty finy, having money here and now is always a good thing, so why would they do away with it?
And if they have trouble with their payment system...well, one can only hope they don't, given that nobody knows what other kind of trouble might lurk there, and whether they decide to get stingy if subscriber money vanishes. Not saying Bethesda is that kind of company, but there *are* companies that certainly would charge twice if their payment system manages to lose the first payment.
The only face-saving option for the removal would be for a major change within that time frame - like F2P, or something else that might make people go "if i'd knew that before, i wouldn't have subscribed".
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I tried resubbing last week or the week before ( busy busy ) and the 6 month plan did not go through for me. Who knows.
Edit : On the official forums ( French ) a ZOS employee ( ZOS Tag on the name ) said they noticed that players preferred the 30 and 90 days sub models so they chose to remove the 6 month option.
Edit : Which means nothing. They could be planning to have the console version out the door in 6 months and going to a b2p format. If they do that I would like them to do B2P and run off expansion sales and not a loaded nasty cash shop.
Which brings up a question.. Isnt ESO doing well? Why would they go b2p / f2p if that is the case? Is it because they think console players will not like a monthly fee?
I dont know.
Boards such as this are a TERRIBLE place to try to judge whether a game is doing well. More often than not, you will hear that a game is doing well (when it is not) and that a game is not doing well (when it is) on these boards.
There are changes coming for TESO due to the pending console launch. They were very clear about the fact that they were not launching for consoles, because they needed to fix the game first. This time has been extended at least once (maybe more, I don't follow it that closely). This should help to make the console launch go smoother than the PC launch.... However, this also shows that the PC launch did not go as well as it could.
It is likely that there will be some changes to the business model, in order to make it more friendly to the console market. Does this mean B2P + DLC/Expansions? Does this mean F2P + Sub? Does it mean some other combination of options? We don't know... we just know that they are working on improving the results (i.e. make more money) but we don't yet know how they plan on doing this.
Zenimax was very much out of their element when they launched TESO, and made many mistakes when they launched the game. However, they have regrouped nicely, and have shown a commitment to improve the game, as well as their approach to publishing a MMO. I, personally, give them credit for learning... even if I complain about them not knowing better to start.
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A nasty f2p model can ruin even the most fun games. I am not going to be milked for every single thing in game. The paywalls associated with f2p are very real and they just mess up the game.
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ESO would do great as either.
Truth is they never really quit. Just being drama queens for attention that is all.
I would be inclined to believe these individuals if it was an isolated case of MMO going F2P. Then they would quit and go play some other P2P MMO but how many P2P MMOS actually exist? WOW and FFXIV is that it?
Don't listen to them, they would be still playing after F2P conversion. I have seen this song and dance when eevry P2P MMO changes to F2P model.
Hence the term 'speculation'. No one is stating it as a FACT.
ESO would be a terrible F2P game, the game just doesn't suit that model at all. It wasn't designed for it.
B2P with either no cash shop, a cash shop with costumes, pets and other cosmetic-only things, or no cash shop, free large bimonthly updates and paid expansion pack sales would all be good enough for me. The second model works well on GW2 which is kind of similar to ESO in terms of gameplay.
P2P is always the best option, though.
I'm anxiously awaiting the PM2P model, as "paying me to play" is the only chance they have of me even wasting time to download yet another themepark multiplayer arena.
I think a buy once 2 play model change to coincide with the console launch makes a lot of sense for them. The ongoing revenue model is a open question but something like Destiny where they sell expansions packs both big and small might be a good fit to the community.
ZOS_PierreL wrote: »
"We have noticed that players prefered subscriptions of 30 and 90 days, the Elder Scrolls Online team therefore took the decision to delete the 180 days subscription.
The 30 and 90 days subscription are still available."
WoW will go b2p or f2p before ESO.
I am almost sure it only states that there 6 months option was not used a lot by players for subs. I could be wrong on this but i don't see it a indication to anything for now.
edit : bcbully writes faster then me
Ty for posting that link to confirm
Except why sit around and discuss something that costs them NOTHING to leave alone?I mean there is an entire game they could be thinking about ,but hey let's talk about something that is meaningless?It tells me they most certainloy have an agenda behind their reasoning,they are just not coming out with the truth because they expect nobody would buy anymore subs if they knew the truth.
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I think it would make a great B2P game. Cosmetic, pets and you pay for exspansion's.