Except why sit around and discuss something that costs them NOTHING to leave alone?I mean there is an entire game they could be thinking about ,but hey let's talk about something that is meaningless?It tells me they most certainloy have an agenda behind their reasoning,they are just not coming out with the truth because they expect nobody would buy anymore subs if they knew the truth.
At least they don't pull a Trion on the customers and sell 12 month sub two weeks before going F2P.
Every time I see this thread come up on the front page all I can think of is the double-rainbow guy asking "what does it mean?"
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Originally posted by Yamota It means that those of us who said the game will go F2P within a year after release, were right.
Yeah you guys keep moving the goal post just like every doom and gloomer for every Mmo...most the haters were saying within 3 months...now it's a year? After a year will you change your tune again to what two years?
"We have noticed that players prefered subscriptions of 30 and 90 days, the Elder Scrolls Online team therefore took the decision to delete the 180 days subscription.
The 30 and 90 days subscription are still available."
if the game doesnt do well as a sub only they can always go B2P with paid DLC like TSW and a small cash shop like GW2, along with a subscription with everything included.
If it goes F2P i probably wont bother playing, not because its free, but because of the limitations it might get. Im not a fan of subscribing to games that have a free option.
Originally posted by rodingo For every person that says they will quit if it goes f2p, there will be many to replace them as a f2p customer. Look at DDO, LOTRO, Rift, and SWTOR. The games that converted to f2p have proven to have raised their profits. What company wouldn't want to do that? Would ESO going f2p get me to play again? Nope. Adding the missing Elder Scrolls elements that they have been promising and planning to do will. If that means paying a sub, then so be it because I don't play games based off of their finance model. I play them if they are worth it and fun.
Truth is they never really quit. Just being drama queens for attention that is all.
I would be inclined to believe these individuals if it was an isolated case of MMO going F2P. Then they would quit and go play some other P2P MMO but how many P2P MMOS actually exist? WOW and FFXIV is that it?
Don't listen to them, they would be still playing after F2P conversion. I have seen this song and dance when eevry P2P MMO changes to F2P model.
There are a few games that are F2P with an option for Subs, Rift, SWTOR, LOTRO, STO, and a few more and some players do still sub in those games.
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Some are speculating that this means f2p or b2p is imminent.
What do you think it means?
Wouldn't be too surprising if that was the case. Unfortunately it seems that not many MMO's can subsist on the subscription payment model anymore. Which is a shame, in my opinion at least, since that's the payment model that I prefer.
Many gamers prefer sub option - but - cash shops bring in additional profits even in subscription based games.
Still my guess is this
ESO will go F2P for console launch with cash shop in less than 6 months - there is no other reason why they would cancel the 6 month sub option.
Can't really blame any business for trying to maximize profits - that's what businesses do.
This is so laughable I have to honestly wonder if you even read what you type.
Why in God's name would any MMO with over a MILLION SUBS be going FTP? LOL
Heres a reality check for you. FF14 is on console, its not FTP and it never will with over 2 MILLION subs, and it just got even more going to console.
ESO is going the exact same way. This FTP pipe dream is just that. A pipe dream.
I tried resubbing last week or the week before ( busy busy ) and the 6 month plan did not go through for me. Who knows.
Edit : On the official forums ( French ) a ZOS employee ( ZOS Tag on the name ) said they noticed that players preferred the 30 and 90 days sub models so they chose to remove the 6 month option.
Edit : Which means nothing. They could be planning to have the console version out the door in 6 months and going to a b2p format. If they do that I would like them to do B2P and run off expansion sales and not a loaded nasty cash shop.
Which brings up a question.. Isnt ESO doing well? Why would they go b2p / f2p if that is the case? Is it because they think console players will not like a monthly fee?
I dont know.
It's doing fine, some people here just have a pipe dream obession with FTP and ignore all rational logic that gets in front of their blinders.
FF14 has over 2.5 MILLION SUBS and it went to consoles WITH A SUB and its doing fantastic. ESO has over a MILLION SUBS and its going to console and doing the same thing.
Its simple them revising a payment method. Some of the hyperbole people dream up is hilarious.
"We have noticed that players prefered subscriptions of 30 and 90 days, the Elder Scrolls Online team therefore took the decision to delete the 180 days subscription.
The 30 and 90 days subscription are still available."
THIS FOLKS ^
Why is this thread even went beyond this post is beyond reason.
"We have noticed that players prefered subscriptions of 30 and 90 days, the Elder Scrolls Online team therefore took the decision to delete the 180 days subscription.
The 30 and 90 days subscription are still available."
THIS FOLKS ^
Why is this thread even went beyond this post is beyond reason.
Maybe because the opinion of 2 people isn't that important for others to stop any kind of discussion about ongoing changes.
"We have noticed that players prefered subscriptions of 30 and 90 days, the Elder Scrolls Online team therefore took the decision to delete the 180 days subscription.
The 30 and 90 days subscription are still available."
THIS FOLKS ^
Why is this thread even went beyond this post is beyond reason.
Maybe because the opinion of 2 people isn't that important for others to stop any kind of discussion about ongoing changes.
The statement from the ACTUAL COMPANY is not the opinion of 2 people. That is called a "FACT"
Personally, I can see them doing B2P. While I don't mind paying a subscription myself, I think B2P on consoles would do really well. They are very used to micro transactions and additional DLC anyway, but a monthly subscription is a hard sell for any gamer but especially console/non-MMO gamer. And let's face it, this game is going to draw a lot of interest from the Skyrim fans on consoles.
Why in God's name would any MMO with over a MILLION SUBS be going FTP? LOL
You are not referring to ESO's sub numbers are you? Where in the world did you get that their subs are above a million? Definitely not from ZOS. Not even Superdata (lol,...Superdata) claims that.
Originally posted by TheGoblinKing Originally posted by DakeruOriginally posted by TheGoblinKingOriginally posted by bcbullyZOS_PierreL wrote: » "We have noticed that players prefered subscriptions of 30 and 90 days, the Elder Scrolls Online team therefore took the decision to delete the 180 days subscription. The 30 and 90 days subscription are still available."
THIS FOLKS ^Why is this thread even went beyond this post is beyond reason.Maybe because the opinion of 2 people isn't that important for others to stop any kind of discussion about ongoing changes.The statement from the ACTUAL COMPANY is not the opinion of 2 people. That is called a "FACT"
It doesn't make sense to remove an option when leaving it there has no negative impact.
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"We have noticed that players prefered subscriptions of 30 and 90 days, the Elder Scrolls Online team therefore took the decision to delete the 180 days subscription.
The 30 and 90 days subscription are still available."
THIS FOLKS ^
Why is this thread even went beyond this post is beyond reason.
Maybe because the opinion of 2 people isn't that important for others to stop any kind of discussion about ongoing changes.
The statement from the ACTUAL COMPANY is not the opinion of 2 people. That is called a "FACT"
The only fact is that the option to pay 6 months in advance has been removed.
Some are speculating that this means f2p or b2p is imminent.
What do you think it means?
Wouldn't be too surprising if that was the case. Unfortunately it seems that not many MMO's can subsist on the subscription payment model anymore. Which is a shame, in my opinion at least, since that's the payment model that I prefer.
Many gamers prefer sub option - but - cash shops bring in additional profits even in subscription based games.
Still my guess is this
ESO will go F2P for console launch with cash shop in less than 6 months - there is no other reason why they would cancel the 6 month sub option.
Can't really blame any business for trying to maximize profits - that's what businesses do.
This is so laughable I have to honestly wonder if you even read what you type.
Why in God's name would any MMO with over a MILLION SUBS be going FTP? LOL
Heres a reality check for you. FF14 is on console, its not FTP and it never will with over 2 MILLION subs, and it just got even more going to console.
ESO is going the exact same way. This FTP pipe dream is just that. A pipe dream.
The claim that ESO has million+ subs is derived entirely from math done by fans assuming that the superdata did not included box sales as revenue with no justification for this assumption other than it was easier to do that math that way.
If the superdata did include box sales under revenue (which is quite possible since it is actually revenue) the number of subscribers turns out to be much much less than one million.
That said I do agree with you that f2p is pipe dream, mostly more because ZOS is certainly going to want to cash in on console box sales.
"We have noticed that players prefered subscriptions of 30 and 90 days, the Elder Scrolls Online team therefore took the decision to delete the 180 days subscription.
The 30 and 90 days subscription are still available."
THIS FOLKS ^
Why is this thread even went beyond this post is beyond reason.
Maybe because the opinion of 2 people isn't that important for others to stop any kind of discussion about ongoing changes.
The statement from the ACTUAL COMPANY is not the opinion of 2 people. That is called a "FACT"
The only fact is that the option to pay 6 months in advance has been removed.
Any statement beyond that is speculation.
Which was the point of the OP no, to speculate on what it "might" mean.
All in fun, and most likely it just wasn't an option often used.
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Originally posted by bcbullyZOS_PierreL wrote: » "We have noticed that players prefered subscriptions of 30 and 90 days, the Elder Scrolls Online team therefore took the decision to delete the 180 days subscription. The 30 and 90 days subscription are still available."
THIS FOLKS ^Why is this thread even went beyond this post is beyond reason.
Maybe because the opinion of 2 people isn't that important for others to stop any kind of discussion about ongoing changes.
The statement from the ACTUAL COMPANY is not the opinion of 2 people. That is called a "FACT"
It doesn't make sense to remove an option when leaving it there has no negative impact.
It doesn't make sense to me either. Why remove it? Maybe they wanted to remove the discount the 6 month sub offered (assuming it offered one like most pubs do). Anyone committed enough to pay for 6 months at a time is likely very dedicated. I doubt they will quit because ZOS is trying to squeeze a higher priced sub fee out of them. They will complain and then pay for the 90 day time slot.
I guess it could be a prelude to shifting revenue models, but there hasn't seem to be any hints that the subscription numbers are declining. The best argument I've heard in this regard is to make the revenue model more appealing to the console crowd. Which could also mean they are really close to a console release. Even so, it seems odd that they would only remove the 180 day time slot to make way for that. If they remove the 90 day time slot in the next few months that would be telling. If not, then who knows.
I don't recall any company ever stop offering long term subscriptions before they announced f2p conversion. Most companies prefer to keep your money and convert the additional time to cash shop currency or some sort of premium membership.
The only explanation that really makes sense is that there was some technical difficulties in the billing department and they just couldn't get the six month subscription to reliably work so they gave up offering that option as it was too much of a headache to get it functional.
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It means, if people can't afford $15 per month on a hobby, they need to find a new one.
Every time I see this thread come up on the front page all I can think of is the double-rainbow guy asking "what does it mean?"
My apologies for the off-topic interruption...
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Stop being arrogant.
Stop changing MMOs to shit.
Please sit down I have the answer for you and it may shock you...it means...
You can't pay for 6 months at a time anymore...
Yeah you guys keep moving the goal post just like every doom and gloomer for every Mmo...most the haters were saying within 3 months...now it's a year? After a year will you change your tune again to what two years?
Best laugh I've had all day!
if the game doesnt do well as a sub only they can always go B2P with paid DLC like TSW and a small cash shop like GW2, along with a subscription with everything included.
If it goes F2P i probably wont bother playing, not because its free, but because of the limitations it might get. Im not a fan of subscribing to games that have a free option.
There are a few games that are F2P with an option for Subs, Rift, SWTOR, LOTRO, STO, and a few more and some players do still sub in those games.
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This is so laughable I have to honestly wonder if you even read what you type.
Why in God's name would any MMO with over a MILLION SUBS be going FTP? LOL
Heres a reality check for you. FF14 is on console, its not FTP and it never will with over 2 MILLION subs, and it just got even more going to console.
ESO is going the exact same way. This FTP pipe dream is just that. A pipe dream.
It's doing fine, some people here just have a pipe dream obession with FTP and ignore all rational logic that gets in front of their blinders.
FF14 has over 2.5 MILLION SUBS and it went to consoles WITH A SUB and its doing fantastic. ESO has over a MILLION SUBS and its going to console and doing the same thing.
Its simple them revising a payment method. Some of the hyperbole people dream up is hilarious.
THIS FOLKS ^
Why is this thread even went beyond this post is beyond reason.
Maybe because the opinion of 2 people isn't that important for others to stop any kind of discussion about ongoing changes.
The statement from the ACTUAL COMPANY is not the opinion of 2 people. That is called a "FACT"
You are not referring to ESO's sub numbers are you? Where in the world did you get that their subs are above a million? Definitely not from ZOS. Not even Superdata (lol,...Superdata) claims that.
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Maybe because the opinion of 2 people isn't that important for others to stop any kind of discussion about ongoing changes.
The statement from the ACTUAL COMPANY is not the opinion of 2 people. That is called a "FACT"
It doesn't make sense to remove an option when leaving it there has no negative impact.
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The only fact is that the option to pay 6 months in advance has been removed.
Any statement beyond that is speculation.
The claim that ESO has million+ subs is derived entirely from math done by fans assuming that the superdata did not included box sales as revenue with no justification for this assumption other than it was easier to do that math that way.
If the superdata did include box sales under revenue (which is quite possible since it is actually revenue) the number of subscribers turns out to be much much less than one million.
That said I do agree with you that f2p is pipe dream, mostly more because ZOS is certainly going to want to cash in on console box sales.
Which was the point of the OP no, to speculate on what it "might" mean.
All in fun, and most likely it just wasn't an option often used.
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I don't recall any company ever stop offering long term subscriptions before they announced f2p conversion. Most companies prefer to keep your money and convert the additional time to cash shop currency or some sort of premium membership.
The only explanation that really makes sense is that there was some technical difficulties in the billing department and they just couldn't get the six month subscription to reliably work so they gave up offering that option as it was too much of a headache to get it functional.