Some things are a bit funny here. Of course Skyrim is "static" after the last update. Thats true for every game. Once ESO received it's last update, it will also be static. And a long time in between, too.
And don't forget hat the modding community is ever hard at work, just because Bethesda stopped working at it doesn't mean there is nothing new.
And looking for persistence in a MMO..even the main quest is superfluous there, as 20178 people do it at the same time with you. Heck, you might end up doing it 20 times over the course of several characters and helping friends..
Given that in any given MMO you outlevel quests rather fast, doing *all* quests for the sake of levelling or gold is also pointless. And 90% of those will be even more of Skyrims radiant questing system.
If you do all there is to do, Skyrim or ESO will have much more longelivity compared to DA or some other RPG. But if you want persistent and meaningful content, you couldn't go more wrong.
A coop with friends type Skyrim on the other hand, complete with fixing that a lowly Initiate being like "you must be new her" and asking his Archmage (who also happens to be Dragonborn, Thane and saviour of the world) to kill 10 rats..
In short, the persistence and meaningful content all RPGs tend to have *besides* the TES games, coupled with the open world of TES.
I'll wait to the day's end when the moon is high And then I'll rise with the tide with a lust for life, I'll Amass an army, and we'll harness a horde And then we'll limp across the land until we stand at the shore
"My quality line would be Morrowind > Daggerfall > Oblivion and Arena > (some pause) Skyrim > a very long pause (at least by the looks of the current state), and at the bottom, ESO "
I've bought a box on a sale, and haven't even opened yet. To be honest, even if the two other fresh threads of today are right and it will go f2p/b2p, there's a good chance I won't open the box either
Yep! It's in the works. We'll be upgrading to Vanilla Forums (check out Star Citizen or Marvel Heroes to see what they can do).
Originally posted by Po_gg (btw. Som, could you please put some good word with the staff, it'd be awesome to have a decent search option on the site for previous posts...)
Yep! It's in the works. We'll be upgrading to Vanilla Forums (check out Star Citizen or Marvel Heroes to see what they can do).
Awesome!
When it occured to me, that earlier I wrote my ES order with > signs somewhere, I tried to find it, and it took me more than 10 minutes rarely, if you remember fairly unique words or sentences in your post then google can find it (though their indexing of mmorpg seems pretty weak), but on most cases you need to browse manually.
Not familiar with Vanilla, SC's implementation looks cool.
I've come to the conclusion that when people judge "visuals" they throw the door for personal taste and subjectivity wide open.
I don't think any comparison of ESO vs. Skyrim visual is complete without this:
And even with the obviously superior ESO "visual" above, I'm sure there will one or two who prefer the deformed Altmer with the huge heads..
If you want to examine the texture quality of a rock or rendering distance, the SP game with no latency or concurrent users on screen considerations should win every single time.
That the visual comparison between Skyrim and ESO is debatable at all is a testament to how incredibly good ESO looks as an MMO.
This is actually huge. You cannot compare MMO rendering to SP rendering. MMOs must render everything, even what you don't see, since someone else might. SPRPGs do not need to render anything that is not in the field of vision. However, I think this pic shows a difference in aesthetic design and not really a true example of one being better than the other. If anything, The texture shown in the Skyrim side is much more detailed. But that's not to say that ESO doesn't do what it does well.
Maybe so, But when someone says "visuals" to me that means the whole enchilada including art style and our own personal taste.
I've always found Altmers in SP ES games to be butt-ugly...especially so in Skyrim. ESO made an attempt to make them a bit easier on the eyes and they mostly succeeded.
For crying out loud. Did you ever stop to think .. that is simply the way they are suppose to look? ESO took a step away from the original design of the races. I'ts an inaccurate representation.
If we are talking about look as in, what is pretty. Then yes, ESO looks better. It's prettier. Maybe we should start making all the races wear flowers too and flutter their eye lashes.
If we are talking about textures and actual graphics like models. Skyrim wins hands down.
I think it's pretty stupid to argue which one looks prettier as that really is besides the point and is based on personal taste. ESO is inaccurate and thus should be judged poorly in the matter. Not positively just because it's pretty.
Longevity goes to ESO? Really? The beta's I participated in for ESO was enough to turn me off. Been playing Skyrim since its release, that was what...over 3 years ago.
As for comparing the two games at all, that is kinda silly considering that one is a single player and the other is an online game, but since you brought it up Skyrim crushes ESO in every way(except that it doesn't have PvP).
Longevity goes to ESO? Really? The beta's I participated in for ESO was enough to turn me off. Been playing Skyrim since its release, that was what...over 3 years ago.
As for comparing the two games at all, that is kinda silly considering that one is a single player and the other is an online game, but since you brought it up Skyrim crushes ESO in every way(except that it doesn't have PvP).
it is kind of silly isnt it.
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Morrowind is far ahead of both Skyrim and ESO in terms of *gameplay* - but then again comparing single player vs online games is a bit silly.
My 2c
Morrowind is the first game that ever made me feel like I was actually part of a foreign world. There hasn't been a game like that for me since, sRPG or MMORPG.
Skyrim and ESO are just games to me. Morrowind was an adventure.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Longevity goes to ESO? Really? The beta's I participated in for ESO was enough to turn me off. Been playing Skyrim since its release, that was what...over 3 years ago.
As for comparing the two games at all, that is kinda silly considering that one is a single player and the other is an online game, but since you brought it up Skyrim crushes ESO in every way(except that it doesn't have PvP).
I was thinking the same thing. I have a feeling Skyrim should have won for longevity. I mean we are talking about a game that is still played quiet heavily today with people clocking in 1,000s of hours. Skyrim is still going strong, especially when you include modding.
Longevity goes to ESO? Really? The beta's I participated in for ESO was enough to turn me off. Been playing Skyrim since its release, that was what...over 3 years ago.
As for comparing the two games at all, that is kinda silly considering that one is a single player and the other is an online game, but since you brought it up Skyrim crushes ESO in every way(except that it doesn't have PvP).
I was thinking the same thing. I have a feeling Skyrim should have won for longevity. I mean we are talking about a game that is still played quiet heavily today with people clocking in 1,000s of hours. Skyrim is still going strong, especially when you include modding.
Not only is Skyrim still widely played, it is still consistently one of the most live streamed games on Twitch. ESO rarely is even in the top 100 games being live streamed. Pretty sad when a 3+ year old game is streamed more than a game less than a year old.
Example for additional single player characteristics in an RPG game:
Best graphics, good performance
NPC AI and all game data is focused on 1 person - you.
Example for additional characteristics in an MMORPG game:
Good graphics, excellent game and net performance.
The ability to group with other people
NPC AI that responds to multiple people. Phasing required to tell stories to different people in the same location.
The system persists all data about all players that have/are playing the game
The game supports single and group play.
The ability to trade with others
Ongoing content generated by the development team.
The ability to enter PVP with real people on dedicated maps.
balancing of player abilities for PVP.
This is a stupid 'cage match', it is nothing more than a question for question sake. Skyrim should be a better single player game than ESO (i think it is) ESO is a MMORPG. Maybe the 'confusion' is people playing ESO as a single player game and not thinking about what it takes to make a MMO.
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Sorry to say, but what a shi**y premise for an article.. comparing a single player rpg with a MMO. WHy even do this, if not to lure out the trolls and play different people out against each other.
Sorry, but huge fail by this site to start making not needed and useless articles such as this.
Sorry to say, but what a shi**y premise for an article.. comparing a single player rpg with a MMO. WHy even do this, if not to lure out the trolls and play different people out against each other.
Sorry, but huge fail by this site to start making not needed and useless articles such as this.
There is that old fashioned term - lead by example.... 'cage match v single player versus a MMO' . Nice.
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Skyrim indeed. i still play it everyday and ESO i haven't touched in months. I have over 1500 hours logged in on my raptr where as ESO measly 100 hours since release.
Skyrim indeed. i still play it everyday and ESO i haven't touched in months. I have over 1500 hours logged in on my raptr where as ESO measly 100 hours since release.
which means Skyrim is a good single player game that you like, and you don't like ESO - interesting fact....
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Skyrim indeed. i still play it everyday and ESO i haven't touched in months. I have over 1500 hours logged in on my raptr where as ESO measly 100 hours since release.
which means Skyrim is a good single player game that you like, and you don't like ESO - interesting fact....
Thank you captain obvious. Isn't that what this topic is all about?
Longevity would also go to Skyrim on pc because of the mod community. I played ESO and didn't enjoy it as much as the singleplayer Tes game's. You never get immersion in mmo's. It just can't be done. The only way is if mmo player's roleplayed and most don't care about this. They just want to kill stuff to level up and get new gear. You can't equate immersion with mmo's.
Originally posted by Hariken Longevity would also go to Skyrim on pc because of the mod community. I played ESO and didn't enjoy it as much as the singleplayer Tes game's. You never get immersion in mmo's. It just can't be done. The only way is if mmo player's roleplayed and most don't care about this. They just want to kill stuff to level up and get new gear. You can't equate immersion with mmo's.
You do get immersed in mmo's if you want to, many people do and often roleplay as part of this. Many people do in fact get immersed, especially in games like ESO and LOTR. There are a lot of comments about how immersive ESO is, I also get immersed. Many people don't play MMO to be immersed.
Skyrim is immersive and if you don't like to be immersed then chances are you will get bored of Skyrim very quickly. Some find Skyrim to be a good game, but only having 1 real person in the world is dull.
Comparing Skryim and ESO is a nonsense.
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Longevity goes to ESO? Really? The beta's I participated in for ESO was enough to turn me off. Been playing Skyrim since its release, that was what...over 3 years ago.
As for comparing the two games at all, that is kinda silly considering that one is a single player and the other is an online game, but since you brought it up Skyrim crushes ESO in every way(except that it doesn't have PvP).
OR real fishing, or a real economy that adds purpose to crafting outside of gearing yourself, or.. a multitude of other things you can't really do in a single player game. Hence why the comparison is back asswards.
I mean you're questioning why something with ongoing professional development offers more longevity? Did you even take an objective look at that comparison, or did you just think "well I still like&play Skyrim"?
Longevity in SKyrim vs ESO... From a huge TES fanboi..me
Skyrim is a single player game, it has a story and a few factions to work your way through, and two relatively shallow expansions (as far as added content goes). Other than that you can add mods or run the same content over and over again. Once you've cleared the dungeons (which doesn't take that long). ALl you're left with is what your imagination leads you to. As what's there in the world once you've finished the content, isn't all that much.
Eso essentially has that as well, yet it has a whole other dynamic in multi-player content, be it trade, guilds, PVP..etc.. It simply offers more in terms of non-story elder game related content. Any MMORPG does. It will continue to expand in that regard. As well as story content...SKyrim will not.
Most modding is related to GFX, cosmetics, Companions, etc.. There are a few exceptions that add better RPG elements (Jobs, The wagon mod, alt start mod etc.) but those are few and far between on places like the Nexus. Added story/world content is even more rare.
I just can't see how someone would look at this objectively and not see that an MMORPG (whether you like it or not) is in a position to offer more longevity simply due to the nature of the genre..
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Why stop at Skyrim, both Morrowind and Oblivion are better games than ESO, modding is a part of it, but even though the graphics on the previous games are not as good, their actually still pretty good even by today's high standards. Anyway, SPRPG vs MMORPG is always a bit of an odd 'battle' and ESO has very little in common with other Elder Scrolls games, which makes comparisons really difficult anyway.
Originally posted by Phry Why stop at Skyrim, both Morrowind and Oblivion are better games than ESO, modding is a part of it, but even though the graphics on the previous games are not as good, their actually still pretty good even by today's high standards. Anyway, SPRPG vs MMORPG is always a bit of an odd 'battle' and ESO has very little in common with other Elder Scrolls games, which makes comparisons really difficult anyway.
I was just playing Morrowind with all the mods and it doesn't look too bad really.
I'm not sure I get the point of this thread. Let's compare KOTOR to SWTOR? Or WoW to Warcraft 3!
Originally posted by Phry Why stop at Skyrim, both Morrowind and Oblivion are better games than ESO, modding is a part of it, but even though the graphics on the previous games are not as good, their actually still pretty good even by today's high standards. Anyway, SPRPG vs MMORPG is always a bit of an odd 'battle' and ESO has very little in common with other Elder Scrolls games, which makes comparisons really difficult anyway.
I was just playing Morrowind with all the mods and it doesn't look too bad really.
I'm not sure I get the point of this thread. Let's compare KOTOR to SWTOR? Or WoW to Warcraft 3!
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Some things are a bit funny here. Of course Skyrim is "static" after the last update. Thats true for every game. Once ESO received it's last update, it will also be static. And a long time in between, too.
And don't forget hat the modding community is ever hard at work, just because Bethesda stopped working at it doesn't mean there is nothing new.
And looking for persistence in a MMO..even the main quest is superfluous there, as 20178 people do it at the same time with you. Heck, you might end up doing it 20 times over the course of several characters and helping friends..
Given that in any given MMO you outlevel quests rather fast, doing *all* quests for the sake of levelling or gold is also pointless. And 90% of those will be even more of Skyrims radiant questing system.
If you do all there is to do, Skyrim or ESO will have much more longelivity compared to DA or some other RPG. But if you want persistent and meaningful content, you couldn't go more wrong.
A coop with friends type Skyrim on the other hand, complete with fixing that a lowly Initiate being like "you must be new her" and asking his Archmage (who also happens to be Dragonborn, Thane and saviour of the world) to kill 10 rats..
In short, the persistence and meaningful content all RPGs tend to have *besides* the TES games, coupled with the open world of TES.
I'll wait to the day's end when the moon is high
And then I'll rise with the tide with a lust for life, I'll
Amass an army, and we'll harness a horde
And then we'll limp across the land until we stand at the shore
Yep! It's in the works. We'll be upgrading to Vanilla Forums (check out Star Citizen or Marvel Heroes to see what they can do).
Awesome!
When it occured to me, that earlier I wrote my ES order with > signs somewhere, I tried to find it, and it took me more than 10 minutes
rarely, if you remember fairly unique words or sentences in your post then google can find it (though their indexing of mmorpg seems pretty weak), but on most cases you need to browse manually.
Not familiar with Vanilla, SC's implementation looks cool.
what next, chalk v cheese? or maybe apple v orange......
A creative person is motivated by the desire to achieve, not the desire to beat others.
For crying out loud. Did you ever stop to think .. that is simply the way they are suppose to look? ESO took a step away from the original design of the races. I'ts an inaccurate representation.
If we are talking about look as in, what is pretty. Then yes, ESO looks better. It's prettier. Maybe we should start making all the races wear flowers too and flutter their eye lashes.
If we are talking about textures and actual graphics like models. Skyrim wins hands down.
I think it's pretty stupid to argue which one looks prettier as that really is besides the point and is based on personal taste. ESO is inaccurate and thus should be judged poorly in the matter. Not positively just because it's pretty.
Longevity goes to ESO? Really? The beta's I participated in for ESO was enough to turn me off. Been playing Skyrim since its release, that was what...over 3 years ago.
As for comparing the two games at all, that is kinda silly considering that one is a single player and the other is an online game, but since you brought it up Skyrim crushes ESO in every way(except that it doesn't have PvP).
it is kind of silly isnt it.
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
Morrowind is the first game that ever made me feel like I was actually part of a foreign world. There hasn't been a game like that for me since, sRPG or MMORPG.
Skyrim and ESO are just games to me. Morrowind was an adventure.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
I was thinking the same thing. I have a feeling Skyrim should have won for longevity. I mean we are talking about a game that is still played quiet heavily today with people clocking in 1,000s of hours. Skyrim is still going strong, especially when you include modding.
Not only is Skyrim still widely played, it is still consistently one of the most live streamed games on Twitch. ESO rarely is even in the top 100 games being live streamed. Pretty sad when a 3+ year old game is streamed more than a game less than a year old.
Comparing a single-player RPG to an MMORPG is almost like comparing a book to a movie: They're so different it's almost nonsensical.
This is a disappointing article.
Some common characterstics of a good RPG game:
Example for additional single player characteristics in an RPG game:
Example for additional characteristics in an MMORPG game:
This is a stupid 'cage match', it is nothing more than a question for question sake. Skyrim should be a better single player game than ESO (i think it is) ESO is a MMORPG. Maybe the 'confusion' is people playing ESO as a single player game and not thinking about what it takes to make a MMO.
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
Sorry to say, but what a shi**y premise for an article.. comparing a single player rpg with a MMO. WHy even do this, if not to lure out the trolls and play different people out against each other.
Sorry, but huge fail by this site to start making not needed and useless articles such as this.
There is that old fashioned term - lead by example.... 'cage match v single player versus a MMO' . Nice.
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
Skyrim indeed. i still play it everyday and ESO i haven't touched in months. I have over 1500 hours logged in on my raptr where as ESO measly 100 hours since release.
which means Skyrim is a good single player game that you like, and you don't like ESO - interesting fact....
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
Thank you captain obvious. Isn't that what this topic is all about?
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
You do get immersed in mmo's if you want to, many people do and often roleplay as part of this. Many people do in fact get immersed, especially in games like ESO and LOTR. There are a lot of comments about how immersive ESO is, I also get immersed. Many people don't play MMO to be immersed.
Skyrim is immersive and if you don't like to be immersed then chances are you will get bored of Skyrim very quickly. Some find Skyrim to be a good game, but only having 1 real person in the world is dull.
Comparing Skryim and ESO is a nonsense.
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
OR real fishing, or a real economy that adds purpose to crafting outside of gearing yourself, or.. a multitude of other things you can't really do in a single player game. Hence why the comparison is back asswards.
I mean you're questioning why something with ongoing professional development offers more longevity? Did you even take an objective look at that comparison, or did you just think "well I still like&play Skyrim"?
Longevity in SKyrim vs ESO... From a huge TES fanboi..me
Skyrim is a single player game, it has a story and a few factions to work your way through, and two relatively shallow expansions (as far as added content goes). Other than that you can add mods or run the same content over and over again. Once you've cleared the dungeons (which doesn't take that long). ALl you're left with is what your imagination leads you to. As what's there in the world once you've finished the content, isn't all that much.
Eso essentially has that as well, yet it has a whole other dynamic in multi-player content, be it trade, guilds, PVP..etc.. It simply offers more in terms of non-story elder game related content. Any MMORPG does. It will continue to expand in that regard. As well as story content...SKyrim will not.
Most modding is related to GFX, cosmetics, Companions, etc.. There are a few exceptions that add better RPG elements (Jobs, The wagon mod, alt start mod etc.) but those are few and far between on places like the Nexus. Added story/world content is even more rare.
I just can't see how someone would look at this objectively and not see that an MMORPG (whether you like it or not) is in a position to offer more longevity simply due to the nature of the genre..
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I was just playing Morrowind with all the mods and it doesn't look too bad really.
I'm not sure I get the point of this thread. Let's compare KOTOR to SWTOR? Or WoW to Warcraft 3!
I think that was done already a few years ago.
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