You forgot to mention the other green trophy from the necroed thread you linked that, unfortunately for you, doesn't have a name that suggests cash shop potion: The Tonic of Intoxicating Strength, Both of those were found in Malbal Tor and didn't seem to do anything at all and were eventually removed - both of them not just the one whose name you're trying to shoehorn into a conspiracy.
There are dozens of these fluffy quest rewards that turn you sparkly, induce a puking animation, make you scream ... There's even one that is used as a costume and turns you into a skeleton... was "da bomb" in PVP for a couple of months,
All of these are green and the un-bugged ones usually do something.
The collectibles BCBully was referring to are the blue trophies which disappear and are marked as achievements once you click on them. (oh, and by the way BC that green bear trap actually does work as a trap and will snare an NPC in a fight for a few seconds)
But by all means, do start another thread with a catchy title.
(PS: ZOZ lies and so did your parents: no tooth fairy, Easter bunny or Santa...sorry about that)
Wait, what? They told me I had been naughty, what do you mean those don't exist?
I think they gave the sub model a shot, didn't quite work out when it came to the console versions, so decided to make a switch.
For that matter, why not start a list of devs who don't "lie"? List might be shorter. Actually, we might need to include all business everywhere to be able to get a full sheet of companies. After all, we don't want to waste paper. Save the trees!
I think it's really naive to think this wasn't planned from the beginning.
Also Kano's inside source clearly said that they wanted to release as B2P when the higher ups decided to go for a sub.
But of course you can once more claim that Kano is just creating rumors, rather than admtting that you have been paying a monthly fee, until the game was ready for the real targeted customers.
DMKano has acquired close to god status because of this, haha.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if many of the devs wanted the game to be b2p from the beginning, and I would applaud them if so because I think b2p is the fairest business model for an mmo - or any game for that matter.
However, the link between "devs originally wanted b2p but suits said we do sub" and "ZOS deceived pc gamers into paying a sub to beta test their console game" is extremely tenuous, and could only be taken seriously by someone with an extremely negative, cynical, and hyperbolic thought process (imo).
I think it's really naive to think this wasn't planned from the beginning.
Also Kano's inside source clearly said that they wanted to release as B2P when the higher ups decided to go for a sub.
But of course you can once more claim that Kano is just creating rumors, rather than admtting that you have been paying a monthly fee, until the game was ready for the real targeted customers.
DMKano has acquired close to god status because of this, haha.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if many of the devs wanted the game to be b2p from the beginning, and I would applaud them if so because I think b2p is the fairest business model for an mmo - or any game for that matter.
However, the link between "devs originally wanted b2p but suits said we do sub" and "ZOS deceived pc gamers into paying a sub to beta test their console game" is extremely tenuous, and could only be taken seriously by someone with an extremely negative, cynical, and hyperbolic thought process (imo).
You say "thought process" I say lunacy... potayto potahto I guess
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“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
To be fair, Zenimax always maintained the stance that "anything is possible" in terms of them switching from sub to some other model. They have every right to. The question shouldn't be about the business model change it should be, if you subbed from then til now were you satisfied with your subscription. Period. I stopped subbing the minute I felt like there were too many bugs and not enough dev involvement to justify the box price + sub.
This all should be motivation for players to be even more critical of what they're paying for and happy with.
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I think it's really naive to think this wasn't planned from the beginning.
Also Kano's inside source clearly said that they wanted to release as B2P when the higher ups decided to go for a sub.
But of course you can once more claim that Kano is just creating rumors, rather than admtting that you have been paying a monthly fee, until the game was ready for the real targeted customers.
DMKano has acquired close to god status because of this, haha.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if many of the devs wanted the game to be b2p from the beginning, and I would applaud them if so because I think b2p is the fairest business model for an mmo - or any game for that matter.
However, the link between "devs originally wanted b2p but suits said we do sub" and "ZOS deceived pc gamers into paying a sub to beta test their console game" is extremely tenuous, and could only be taken seriously by someone with an extremely negative, cynical, and hyperbolic thought process (imo).
Why? Because he told the truth? He's said many times that he has many sources at many companies in the industry. Sooooooooooooo, what? Now what he says is relevant? Funny, I don't remember anyone actually believing anything he said before. Don't fret, I'm sure that everyone will return to being irrational in a couple days.
As of yesterday, I did not think so. Today, I am starting to feel there has been some amount of deception from ZOS. DMKano has said that there was an intention for b2p from the start based on hearsay information from a friend.
However, I now remember getting an item in game in April 2014 which I now believe was a placeholder xp potion.
It was called Tonic of Accelerated Time.
There were other such buff potions (which didn't work) in the game as quest rewards. Many games (like GW2) give you boost items to let players know they exist and that they can get more in the cash shop.
These items were later removed from ESO, but they were in the game at launch.
To me this is evidence of deception about their intention to maintain a sub model.
Do you think ZOS lied?
I don't give a crap if they did. Have you never lied in you life?
What if some of the talking heads said it was supposed to be b2p and said so publicly and the people running the show had a different opinion and also got to make the final decision. Does that make it a lie? Can't there be two perspectives? Could the powers that be rolled the dice for subscription and are now making a change?
Agreed
All these people freaking out about ESO going B2P need to wake up. A smart company will always have options to survive. And the model so far won't change anything if you keep subbing. The buy to play option will just make it like a single player Elderscrolls game which most true TES fans wanted. They are willing to pay for the dlc when it comes out. And i'm willing to bet they will clean up on those sales. GW2 should be concerned as this will be their first competition. And as far as the cash shop goes not one person here knows how it will be. They are just guessing because of other games. They know nothing at all. The same thing happened with swtor and their model was worse but the game is doing well in spite of it.
I think it's really naive to think this wasn't planned from the beginning.
Also Kano's inside source clearly said that they wanted to release as B2P when the higher ups decided to go for a sub.
But of course you can once more claim that Kano is just creating rumors, rather than admtting that you have been paying a monthly fee, until the game was ready for the real targeted customers.
DMKano has acquired close to god status because of this, haha.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if many of the devs wanted the game to be b2p from the beginning, and I would applaud them if so because I think b2p is the fairest business model for an mmo - or any game for that matter.
However, the link between "devs originally wanted b2p but suits said we do sub" and "ZOS deceived pc gamers into paying a sub to beta test their console game" is extremely tenuous, and could only be taken seriously by someone with an extremely negative, cynical, and hyperbolic thought process (imo).
Why? Because he told the truth? He's said many times that he has many sources at many companies in the industry. Sooooooooooooo, what? Now what he says is relevant? Funny, I don't remember anyone actually believing anything he said before. Don't fret, I'm sure that everyone will return to being irrational in a couple days.
Regardless of what Kano said. It is quite possible -- almost certain -- that there were differences of opinion at the executive levels of Zenimax over which model to adopt. I'd be surprised if those discussions haven't been going on for several years, in fact.
I know that in my own office there are no decisions of any type made that are not second-guessed by different groups. And depending on who you talk to about those decisions, you'll get conflicting versions of how, when and why things happened the way they did.
One little detail lost in all the drama I can't really wrap my head around is why, if the decision had been made to switch to B2P on the PC, the kept their digital download sale going as long as they did. They were selling it for $19,99 directly from their online store for a month until the beginning of January. I find that curious.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
Did some people believe pre-launch they should go B2P+DLC? Absolutely. Read the mmorpg.com article pre-launch. There was clearly a discussion, as you would expect, and there was doubt.
All options will have been on the table:
b2p or free-to-buy;
sub or no sub;
cash shop or no cash shop
paid dlc or not;
paid expansions or not.
All options will have been discussed and they opted to go woth 1 and 2. Now they are going with 1, 2, 3, 4 and probably 5. And the console charge as well of course (the alternative being Zenimax doing a deal with MS and/or Sony if they could for "included" access doubtless involving Zenimax paying money - it was never going to be free.)
Once the decision was made various people "sold" the idea that e.g. a sub would mean that there would be no gated content. But did people really believe that there would never, ever, be an expansion. Which would be gated content after all?
The problem, imo, is not that they "lied" - they won't have - but that sentences were said with "gaps" in. Gaps that many people were "naïve" enough to fill with what they wanted to believe. And by naïve I don't mean stupid simply that they are not died in the wool cynics. And most people are not that cynical; reading what is said - and only what is said - is something you have to learn.
Are Zenimax guilty of "poor" communication with their consumers? Arguably yes. Will it hurt them downstream? Maybe.
Originally posted by bcbully Um no... That's a trophy item. You click it and it gets added to achievements... Nice try though OP, your reaching though.
His theory makes perfect sense.
It's not a 'theory'. It's not even a hypothesis. It barely rises above an opinion. And in my opinion, anyone who thinks ESO lied (and I'm no fan of ESO either), is simply hurt because they were naive enough to believe that an MMO would never go f2p/b2p.
One little detail lost in all the drama I can't really wrap my head around is why, if the decision had been made to switch to B2P on the PC, the kept their digital download sale going as long as they did. They were selling it for $19,99 directly from their online store for a month until the beginning of January. I find that curious.
I missed that. I firmly believe "something changed". Withdrawing the 6 month sub in December no longer makes any sense. A launch date has been announced before 1.6. The phased approach to rolling out the CS and Justice systems - it will be tough to get 3 drops in now and have time to fix any bugs. The tone of the December newsletter / update.
Maybe it was poor Christmas sales (across all Zenimax games); maybe it was WoD kicking in. As you say curious.
Well if you OP have been play ESO for long time sometime you get trophy things that sometime is just a that trophy and sometime gave you fun boost for few sec that is all not everything is conspiracy towards P2W concept hell even in WoW you can get exp boost as loot if you farm specification world boss.
Is in that case Blizzard lie as well for let world boss drop exp boost so let start scream as well that WoW is P2W
"OMG WOW IS GO F2P FOR THE HAVE EXP BOOST DROP ON WORLD BOSS NO IT IS GO TO BE F2P IT GO BE P2PW WORLD IS GO TO HELL IN HAND BASKET!!!!!!!" sarcastic is trun off now
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For that matter, why not start a list of devs who don't "lie"? List might be shorter. Actually, we might need to include all business everywhere to be able to get a full sheet of companies. After all, we don't want to waste paper. Save the trees!
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DMKano has acquired close to god status because of this, haha.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if many of the devs wanted the game to be b2p from the beginning, and I would applaud them if so because I think b2p is the fairest business model for an mmo - or any game for that matter.
However, the link between "devs originally wanted b2p but suits said we do sub" and "ZOS deceived pc gamers into paying a sub to beta test their console game" is extremely tenuous, and could only be taken seriously by someone with an extremely negative, cynical, and hyperbolic thought process (imo).
You say "thought process" I say lunacy... potayto potahto I guess
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
To be fair, Zenimax always maintained the stance that "anything is possible" in terms of them switching from sub to some other model. They have every right to. The question shouldn't be about the business model change it should be, if you subbed from then til now were you satisfied with your subscription. Period. I stopped subbing the minute I felt like there were too many bugs and not enough dev involvement to justify the box price + sub.
This all should be motivation for players to be even more critical of what they're paying for and happy with.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Why? Because he told the truth? He's said many times that he has many sources at many companies in the industry. Sooooooooooooo, what? Now what he says is relevant? Funny, I don't remember anyone actually believing anything he said before. Don't fret, I'm sure that everyone will return to being irrational in a couple days.
Crazkanuk
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Azarelos - 90 Hunter - Emerald
Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
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Agreed
All these people freaking out about ESO going B2P need to wake up. A smart company will always have options to survive. And the model so far won't change anything if you keep subbing. The buy to play option will just make it like a single player Elderscrolls game which most true TES fans wanted. They are willing to pay for the dlc when it comes out. And i'm willing to bet they will clean up on those sales. GW2 should be concerned as this will be their first competition. And as far as the cash shop goes not one person here knows how it will be. They are just guessing because of other games. They know nothing at all. The same thing happened with swtor and their model was worse but the game is doing well in spite of it.
Regardless of what Kano said. It is quite possible -- almost certain -- that there were differences of opinion at the executive levels of Zenimax over which model to adopt. I'd be surprised if those discussions haven't been going on for several years, in fact.
I know that in my own office there are no decisions of any type made that are not second-guessed by different groups. And depending on who you talk to about those decisions, you'll get conflicting versions of how, when and why things happened the way they did.
One little detail lost in all the drama I can't really wrap my head around is why, if the decision had been made to switch to B2P on the PC, the kept their digital download sale going as long as they did. They were selling it for $19,99 directly from their online store for a month until the beginning of January. I find that curious.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Did Zenimax "lie"?
Pretty sure the answer will be no.
Did some people believe pre-launch they should go B2P+DLC? Absolutely. Read the mmorpg.com article pre-launch. There was clearly a discussion, as you would expect, and there was doubt.
All options will have been on the table:
Once the decision was made various people "sold" the idea that e.g. a sub would mean that there would be no gated content. But did people really believe that there would never, ever, be an expansion. Which would be gated content after all?
The problem, imo, is not that they "lied" - they won't have - but that sentences were said with "gaps" in. Gaps that many people were "naïve" enough to fill with what they wanted to believe. And by naïve I don't mean stupid simply that they are not died in the wool cynics. And most people are not that cynical; reading what is said - and only what is said - is something you have to learn.
Are Zenimax guilty of "poor" communication with their consumers? Arguably yes. Will it hurt them downstream? Maybe.
It's not a 'theory'. It's not even a hypothesis. It barely rises above an opinion. And in my opinion, anyone who thinks ESO lied (and I'm no fan of ESO either), is simply hurt because they were naive enough to believe that an MMO would never go f2p/b2p.
I missed that. I firmly believe "something changed". Withdrawing the 6 month sub in December no longer makes any sense. A launch date has been announced before 1.6. The phased approach to rolling out the CS and Justice systems - it will be tough to get 3 drops in now and have time to fix any bugs. The tone of the December newsletter / update.
Maybe it was poor Christmas sales (across all Zenimax games); maybe it was WoD kicking in. As you say curious.
Well if you OP have been play ESO for long time sometime you get trophy things that sometime is just a that trophy and sometime gave you fun boost for few sec that is all not everything is conspiracy towards P2W concept hell even in WoW you can get exp boost as loot if you farm specification world boss.
Is in that case Blizzard lie as well for let world boss drop exp boost so let start scream as well that WoW is P2W
"OMG WOW IS GO F2P FOR THE HAVE EXP BOOST DROP ON WORLD BOSS NO IT IS GO TO BE F2P IT GO BE P2PW WORLD IS GO TO HELL IN HAND BASKET!!!!!!!" sarcastic is trun off now
Crazkanuk
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Azarelos - 90 Hunter - Emerald
Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
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