Originally posted by Malabooga Originally posted by kitaradThe four million is registered accounts ,how is that false show me where it is false. Show me a quote where they said registered accounts equals current subs. If they said registered subs equals current subs then they lied otherwise you have no case.
Just check these forums. And how 4 mil fared on these forums until it was straighten up. Yup.
Oh, and touting that "FFXIV is last P2P MMO" is completely false.
Its HYBRID model of box+mandatory sub+CASH SHOP(+expansions)
Quadriple dipping. And F2P games get ripped apart for just having....cash shop. lol
Ffxiv's cash shop compared to a f2p or b2p's cash shop. Ffxiv's content updates compared to everyone else. Huge differences.
"over 80% of our players are satisfied with the subscription model"
That's kind of like going to a pool and asking the people swimming in it if they like swimming in pools.
Also, only 80% of your players paying for subscriptions are satisfied with paying subscriptions. Seems a bit low even if you take into account that there will always be some complainers.
This is a loaded statistic - over 80% of gun enthusiasts enjoy gun shows.
It would have been more meaningful to say "out of all players who ever tried FFIVARR x% is satiaifed with subscription" - that figure would be a hell of a lot lower - which is why they are not telling.
Only mention good sounding statistics - PR tactic 101 - all ccompnies do this
Yea and are Gun shows going to try to get Anti-Gun people to go to gun shows? No its a waste of money and time to do any stats or to consider to appeal to that crowd. You keep your paying crowd of players happy in an MMO and you win, try to make everyone and their brother love your MMO and you get what we have today. Failed MMOs that had to go F2P because they could not make money on their investments. SE already made money on FFXIV, so their business model is to keep them players happy and keep them paying, vs trying to get as many people in the game for a short term revenue spike. Its also a better Business model if you keep your customers happy and keep the company profitable over the long term vs short term pile of money business models.
They Made a Profit. If they MADE PROFIT SE MADE MONEY ON THE GAME. The company also said that Final Fantasy XIV and Dragon Quest X have been "making favorable progress." MEANING THEY MADE MONEY ON THE GAME!
"over 80% of our players are satisfied with the subscription model"
That's kind of like going to a pool and asking the people swimming in it if they like swimming in pools.
Also, only 80% of your players paying for subscriptions are satisfied with paying subscriptions. Seems a bit low even if you take into account that there will always be some complainers.
This is a loaded statistic - over 80% of gun enthusiasts enjoy gun shows.
It would have been more meaningful to say "out of all players who ever tried FFIVARR x% is satiaifed with subscription" - that figure would be a hell of a lot lower - which is why they are not telling.
Only mention good sounding statistics - PR tactic 101 - all ccompnies do this
Yea it is. Its also a stupid tactic to think that they are going to magically have so much more money in the long term if they go F2P. Just like is a stupid tactic to give out Loans and Mortgages to anyone who walks through the bank door. The only reason so many MMOs went F2P over the last several years is because they have fast food content and business models that are not worth the sub. FFXIV Puts out new content every 3 to 4 months. It keeps people happy and paying the bills for SE plus makes them a profit. They are not looking to min max their profits because its not always the best direction for the company. You do know why? Min Maxing only looks good in an excel document however what really happens that an excel document does not take into account ever is the human aspect.
Originally posted by kitaradThe four million is registered accounts ,how is that false show me where it is false. Show me a quote where they said registered accounts equals current subs. If they said registered subs equals current subs then they lied otherwise you have no case.
Just check these forums. And how 4 mil fared on these forums until it was straighten up. Yup.
Oh, and touting that "FFXIV is last P2P MMO" is completely false.
Its HYBRID model of box+mandatory sub+CASH SHOP(+expansions)
Quadriple dipping. And F2P games get ripped apart for just having....cash shop. lol
Ffxiv's cash shop compared to a f2p or b2p's cash shop. Ffxiv's content updates compared to everyone else. Huge differences.
Yup, but its not P2P game, its HYBRID game and has every monetization known to MMOs included.
Oh, and i asked already, just for information, whats payment model in China? Yeah, im lazy
"over 80% of our players are satisfied with the subscription model"
That's kind of like going to a pool and asking the people swimming in it if they like swimming in pools.
Also, only 80% of your players paying for subscriptions are satisfied with paying subscriptions. Seems a bit low even if you take into account that there will always be some complainers.
This is a loaded statistic - over 80% of gun enthusiasts enjoy gun shows.
It would have been more meaningful to say "out of all players who ever tried FFIVARR x% is satiaifed with subscription" - that figure would be a hell of a lot lower - which is why they are not telling.
Only mention good sounding statistics - PR tactic 101 - all ccompnies do this
Yea it is. Its also a stupid tactic to think that they are going to magically have so much more money in the long term if they go F2P. Just like is a stupid tactic to give out Loans and Mortgages to anyone who walks through the bank door. The only reason so many MMOs went F2P over the last several years is because they have fast food content and business models that are not worth the sub. FFXIV Puts out new content every 3 to 4 months. It keeps people happy and paying the bills for SE plus makes them a profit. They are not looking to min max their profits because its not always the best direction for the company. You do know why? Min Maxing only looks good in an excel document however what really happens that an excel document does not take into account ever is the human aspect.
They have a cash shop and want to max their profits. Just as any other game out there with hybrid payment model.
The game you play GW 2 allows one to use real money to convert into gems that can be converted into money that one can use in the game. That system is far worse than any cash shop FFXIV ARR has.
Originally posted by kitarad The game you play GW 2 allows one to use real money to convert into gems that can be converted into money that one can use in the game. That system is far worse than any cash shop FFXIV ARR has.
Lol, im playing ESO atm thank you.
And? Whats GW2 has to do with SE using hybrid model and inclusion of cash shop on top of mandatory sub?
I'm playing ESO too right now. I do not see anything wrong in the P2P definition because I was serious earlier you pay to play because the sub is not optional. The definition is accurate.
Well in GW2 you can get in game money which is way worse than any mount or minion you can purchase in game in FFXIV ARR. These cosmetic items are just fluff absolute fluff so I do not understand what the huge ruckus is.
"over 80% of our players are satisfied with the subscription model"
That's kind of like going to a pool and asking the people swimming in it if they like swimming in pools.
Also, only 80% of your players paying for subscriptions are satisfied with paying subscriptions. Seems a bit low even if you take into account that there will always be some complainers.
This is a loaded statistic - over 80% of gun enthusiasts enjoy gun shows.
It would have been more meaningful to say "out of all players who ever tried FFIVARR x% is satiaifed with subscription" - that figure would be a hell of a lot lower - which is why they are not telling.
Only mention good sounding statistics - PR tactic 101 - all ccompnies do this
Yea and are Gun shows going to try to get Anti-Gun people to go to gun shows? No its a waste of money and time to do any stats or to consider to appeal to that crowd. You keep your paying crowd of players happy in an MMO and you win, try to make everyone and their brother love your MMO and you get what we have today. Failed MMOs that had to go F2P because they could not make money on their investments. SE already made money on FFXIV, so their business model is to keep them players happy and keep them paying, vs trying to get as many people in the game for a short term revenue spike. Its also a better Business model if you keep your customers happy and keep the company profitable over the long term vs short term pile of money business models.
They Made a Profit. If they MADE PROFIT SE MADE MONEY ON THE GAME. The company also said that Final Fantasy XIV and Dragon Quest X have been "making favorable progress." MEANING THEY MADE MONEY ON THE GAME!
That can also mean that they are losing less on it than they were before.
Please refreain from financial stuff if you dont undesrand ti. FFXIV is long term project for them, and to be actually profitable they have to make profit on it for 7+ years.
You think remading the game is free? And how long it was in development before forst release?
Your laughable you know that. I understand Development cycles way more intimately than you do. I been in IT for 12 years as a Systems engineer and MS SQL DBA. Right now I have 3 projects on my plate to move systems from my local data center to the Amazon cloud. I know the cost break downs because I work hand and hand with our PM, I also work with 2 VPs that have to give updated budget numbers monthly and guess what Yes I am involved at that level too.
So yes I can tell you from my day in and day out really life work experience I can tell you at 1 point FFXIV had 1.5 Million Active Subscriptions So lets just say sold around 1 Million boxes at $30 a piece thats $30 Million. 1 Million is not hard to imagine that they sold because in the first week SE sold 184K. I can say from what I know of development cycles FFXIV ARR never had a full blown 7 year MMO development Cycle. It was a 1 year Revamp cycle. So they likely spent in the neighborhood of about $30 to $60 Million. Likely on the low end of that. You also did not hear of a MASSIVE lay off from SE of developers after their ARR project like other Studios. So Yes they made money. I will admit I dont know what they made or loss in 1.0 however I do know they posted a lost before shutting down 1.0. ARR is a Success for SE, they are making money and they do not care that other MMOs are F2P. Yoshi said as much they dont care, they are happy with where the game is. They know they can make short term big sums of money. They dont need it, they are profitable right now. They want to keep ARR P2P. Thats what it all boils down to.
The problem is the F2P nut bags cannot stand that there is a P2P MMO and need to find any excuse why it should be F2P. Well guess what. SE and FFXIV is Profitable. Otherwise they would go F2P. Dont like it. O FUCKING WELL.
O and heads up the Cash shop was to help pay for a data center in EU. Plus people wanted it for all the little things that dont matter in game so they could help support the game. I dont care that you dont like it and you want to cry that the game is not f2p because you dont like to spend money. Maybe you should get a job.
Originally posted by kitaradThe four million is registered accounts ,how is that false show me where it is false. Show me a quote where they said registered accounts equals current subs. If they said registered subs equals current subs then they lied otherwise you have no case.
Just check these forums. And how 4 mil fared on these forums until it was straighten up. Yup.Oh, and touting that "FFXIV is last P2P MMO" is completely false.Its HYBRID model of box+mandatory sub+CASH SHOP(+expansions)Quadriple dipping. And F2P games get ripped apart for just having....cash shop. lol
Ffxiv's cash shop compared to a f2p or b2p's cash shop. Ffxiv's content updates compared to everyone else. Huge differences.
Yup, but its not P2P game, its HYBRID game and has every monetization known to MMOs included.
Oh, and i asked already, just for information, whats payment model in China? Yeah, im lazy
China has their own rules mandated by their government in regards to how an mmo is monetized there. BTW, I hate cash shops including the one in ffxiv. Fact remains, the sub keeps that cash shop to a minimum. I hope it stays that way or I'm out. There's no cash shop currency that carries over in game which is sadly quite rare these days. And lastly, it hands down outpaces every mmo in patched content. How long will that last? Who knows. Definitely not forever. So just like everyone else and their mmo of choice, in not gonna worry about it and just enjoy the gaming goodness for as long as I can.
I am glad to hear this. I was surprised that when I can back, the population of the game was very healthy. I was also glad to see how much there was to do. These are the pleasant surprises I wish to see instead of the usual ones I so often come across.
Originally posted by kitaradThe four million is registered accounts ,how is that false show me where it is false. Show me a quote where they said registered accounts equals current subs. If they said registered subs equals current subs then they lied otherwise you have no case.
Just check these forums. And how 4 mil fared on these forums until it was straighten up. Yup.Oh, and touting that "FFXIV is last P2P MMO" is completely false.Its HYBRID model of box+mandatory sub+CASH SHOP(+expansions)Quadriple dipping. And F2P games get ripped apart for just having....cash shop. lol
Ffxiv's cash shop compared to a f2p or b2p's cash shop. Ffxiv's content updates compared to everyone else. Huge differences.
Yup, but its not P2P game, its HYBRID game and has every monetization known to MMOs included.
Oh, and i asked already, just for information, whats payment model in China? Yeah, im lazy
China has their own rules mandated by their government in regards to how an mmo is monetized there. BTW, I hate cash shops including the one in ffxiv. Fact remains, the sub keeps that cash shop to a minimum. I hope it stays that way or I'm out. There's no cash shop currency that carries over in game which is sadly quite rare these days. And lastly, it hands down outpaces every mmo in patched content. How long will that last? Who knows. Definitely not forever. So just like everyone else and their mmo of choice, in not gonna worry about it and just enjoy the gaming goodness for as long as I can.
So i would say it F2P in China.
And thats the point, they felt the need to include cash shop on top of mandatory sub. Just like that they can change to F2P at any point, expand cash shop in any way they see fit.
If they were so satisfied with what they make, why did they introduced cash shop? Greed?
This leaves it in the players hands. Want to keep this game P2P, then keep subbing. My guess is they will only look at B2P or F2P as an option is if they are not making enough money.
You keep forgetting the part where they relaunched the game. All that money would you not think they might want to make that back some how ? Even if they happy with what they are making now the money that they loss would they not want to make it back. We are not privy to SE's mandates to Yoshi.
"data that shows that over 80% of our players are satisfied with the subscription model and they feel very assured that it is a constant"
care to back up this statement with a link so we can all see it for ourselves .
Maybe you should learn how to Google things.
Yoshida also mentions data that “shows over 80 percent of our players are satisfied with the subscription model and they feel very assured that it is constant.”
"over 80% of our players are satisfied with the subscription model"
That's kind of like going to a pool and asking the people swimming in it if they like swimming in pools.
Also, only 80% of your players paying for subscriptions are satisfied with paying subscriptions. Seems a bit low even if you take into account that there will always be some complainers.
This is a loaded statistic - over 80% of gun enthusiasts enjoy gun shows.
It would have been more meaningful to say "out of all players who ever tried FFIVARR x% is satiaifed with subscription" - that figure would be a hell of a lot lower - which is why they are not telling.
Only mention good sounding statistics - PR tactic 101 - all ccompnies do this
Yea and are Gun shows going to try to get Anti-Gun people to go to gun shows? No its a waste of money and time to do any stats or to consider to appeal to that crowd. You keep your paying crowd of players happy in an MMO and you win, try to make everyone and their brother love your MMO and you get what we have today. Failed MMOs that had to go F2P because they could not make money on their investments. SE already made money on FFXIV, so their business model is to keep them players happy and keep them paying, vs trying to get as many people in the game for a short term revenue spike. Its also a better Business model if you keep your customers happy and keep the company profitable over the long term vs short term pile of money business models.
They Made a Profit. If they MADE PROFIT SE MADE MONEY ON THE GAME. The company also said that Final Fantasy XIV and Dragon Quest X have been "making favorable progress." MEANING THEY MADE MONEY ON THE GAME!
That can also mean that they are losing less on it than they were before.
Please refreain from financial stuff if you dont undesrand ti. FFXIV is long term project for them, and to be actually profitable they have to make profit on it for 7+ years.
You think remading the game is free? And how long it was in development before forst release?
Your laughable you know that. I understand Development cycles way more intimately than you do. I been in IT for 12 years as a Systems engineer and MS SQL DBA. Right now I have 3 projects on my plate to move systems from my local data center to the Amazon cloud. I know the cost break downs because I work hand and hand with our PM, I also work with 2 VPs that have to give updated budget numbers monthly and guess what Yes I am involved at that level too.
So yes I can tell you from my day in and day out really life work experience I can tell you at 1 point FFXIV had 1.5 Million Active Subscriptions So lets just say sold around 1 Million boxes at $30 a piece thats $30 Million. 1 Million is not hard to imagine that they sold because in the first week SE sold 184K. I can say from what I know of development cycles FFXIV ARR never had a full blown 7 year MMO development Cycle. It was a 1 year Revamp cycle. So they likely spent in the neighborhood of about $30 to $60 Million. Likely on the low end of that. You also did not hear of a MASSIVE lay off from SE of developers after their ARR project like other Studios. So Yes they made money. I will admit I dont know what they made or loss in 1.0 however I do know they posted a lost before shutting down 1.0. ARR is a Success for SE, they are making money and they do not care that other MMOs are F2P. Yoshi said as much they dont care, they are happy with where the game is. They know they can make short term big sums of money. They dont need it, they are profitable right now. They want to keep ARR P2P. Thats what it all boils down to.
The problem is the F2P nut bags cannot stand that there is a P2P MMO and need to find any excuse why it should be F2P. Well guess what. SE and FFXIV is Profitable. Otherwise they would go F2P. Dont like it. O FUCKING WELL.
O and heads up the Cash shop was to help pay for a data center in EU. Plus people wanted it for all the little things that dont matter in game so they could help support the game. I dont care that you dont like it and you want to cry that the game is not f2p because you dont like to spend money. Maybe you should get a job.
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"I have no idea how FFXIV is doing but ill still say how its doing"
FFXIV losses dont magically dissapear by just renaming it to FFXIV:ARR lol
Originally posted by Nanfoodle This leaves it in the players hands. Want to keep this game P2P, then keep subbing. My guess is they will only look at B2P or F2P as an option is if they are not making enough money.
You forgot something:
"This leaves it in the players hands. Want to keep this game P2P, then keep subbing AND buying form cash shop. My guess is they will only look at B2P or F2P as an option is if they are not making enough money.
So if you are aware of the losses why question the cash shop ? Just to troll is it and cause trouble here ? You have the answers and know that the cash shop is cosmetic and nowhere as bad as converting real money into in game money so tell me why the nitpicking over P2P ? Are you that petty ?
Originally posted by kitarad You keep forgetting the part where they relaunched the game. All that money would you not think they might want to make that back some how ? Even if they happy with what they are making now the money that they loss would they not want to make it back. We are not privy to SE's mandates to Yoshi.
And now were reaching crux of things. They are not sure subs only will be enough. Which in turn means...
Becasue you can choose that or just plain greed. Whichever you prefer, since we dont really have anything to back it up.
But if anyone bought "players wanted it" PR, well, i have few bridges to sell, mint condition
What was the whole point of your posting in this thread just to thumb your noses at the FFXIV ARR fans whose game has lost money and has a cash shop is it ? Is that your motive ?
Would you love to play Final Fantasy XIV if only it didn’t cost per month? According to a new interview with producer Naoki Yoshida, you’ll be waiting a while. “If WoW ever goes completely free-to-play, maybe we’ll consider it,” Yoshida jokingly told PlayStationLifestyle.net via a translator.
He was asked whether or not Elder Scrolls Online’s upcoming buy-to-play conversion has any bearing on FFXIV’ssubscription model. “No, we do not feel that we are being influenced by that kind of model shift,” he said. “Especially with an MMORPG, it is a kind of a game as a service, where we are kind of almost in the service industry.”
Yoshida also mentions data that “shows over 80 percent of our players are satisfied with the subscription model and they feel very assured that it is constant.”
NY: No, we do not feel that we are being influenced by that kind of model shift. Especially with an MMORPG, it is a kind of a game as a service, where we are kind of almost in the service industry.
Say you are in the restaurant business and you own a steakhouse, and you see another competitive steakhouse that a popular feature or some other element that draws people in, of course you would have to look at what they are doing and they are keeping their quality of meats, and what they do in terms of service. In that same respect, we do look at the other MMO titles that are out there and do some research on what they do and have, Elder Scrolls Online included. But, for FFXIV and the players that belong to the world of Eorzea, we feel that we don’t need to put things in that are not necessary for that game.
So, just because ESO moved into a free-to-play subscription model, it doesn’t necessarily mean for us to move into that direction as well. Also, for use we have taken player surveys and took a look at what our customer satisfaction level is and we actually garnered data that shows that over 80% of our players are satisfied with the subscription model and they feel very assured that it is a constant. You are safe to be in that environment, and you know that you can expect a decent amount of updates and content. So, we don’t believe that FFXIV needs to shift in that direction and not everything that other competitors or titles do will necessarily apply to our title.
If WOW ever goes completely free-to-play, maybe we will consider it. (Laughs)
Basically FFXIV is making Money and they are happy with that. They are not going F2P because they are going to keep their core players happy. They know if they go F2P many players like myself will just quit.
Well thanks for googling it for me . I have better things to do in my life than go hunting down articles on data but I am more than happy to leave it to people that don't such as yourself . Also you do know sarcasm makes you look incredibly immature .
Well theres a surprise the majority of people playing a subscription game are happy with the subscription model lol The fact 1 in 5 arn't really is nothing to boast about . Its a bit like doing a survey in steakhouse about how many people like steak .
Also Naoki Yashida is clearly not very well informed if he thinks TESO is going free to play . Also he alludes to data but give no clear indication about how its been correlated or what the precise figures are . Is he to actually be believed or could it be that he is talking out of his backside in an interview and that no data was actually gathered in the first place .
Lets face it . Its not uncommon for people in the gaming industry to talk a load of old horse **** . Just look at the likes of Smedly and Ghostcrawler .
Would you love to play Final Fantasy XIV if only it didn’t cost per month? According to a new interview with producer Naoki Yoshida, you’ll be waiting a while. “If WoW ever goes completely free-to-play, maybe we’ll consider it,” Yoshida jokingly told PlayStationLifestyle.net via a translator.
He was asked whether or not Elder Scrolls Online’s upcoming buy-to-play conversion has any bearing on FFXIV’ssubscription model. “No, we do not feel that we are being influenced by that kind of model shift,” he said. “Especially with an MMORPG, it is a kind of a game as a service, where we are kind of almost in the service industry.”
Yoshida also mentions data that “shows over 80 percent of our players are satisfied with the subscription model and they feel very assured that it is constant.”
NY: No, we do not feel that we are being influenced by that kind of model shift. Especially with an MMORPG, it is a kind of a game as a service, where we are kind of almost in the service industry.
Say you are in the restaurant business and you own a steakhouse, and you see another competitive steakhouse that a popular feature or some other element that draws people in, of course you would have to look at what they are doing and they are keeping their quality of meats, and what they do in terms of service. In that same respect, we do look at the other MMO titles that are out there and do some research on what they do and have, Elder Scrolls Online included. But, for FFXIV and the players that belong to the world of Eorzea, we feel that we don’t need to put things in that are not necessary for that game.
So, just because ESO moved into a free-to-play subscription model, it doesn’t necessarily mean for us to move into that direction as well. Also, for use we have taken player surveys and took a look at what our customer satisfaction level is and we actually garnered data that shows that over 80% of our players are satisfied with the subscription model and they feel very assured that it is a constant. You are safe to be in that environment, and you know that you can expect a decent amount of updates and content. So, we don’t believe that FFXIV needs to shift in that direction and not everything that other competitors or titles do will necessarily apply to our title.
If WOW ever goes completely free-to-play, maybe we will consider it. (Laughs)
Basically FFXIV is making Money and they are happy with that. They are not going F2P because they are going to keep their core players happy. They know if they go F2P many players like myself will just quit.
Well thanks for googling it for me . I have better things to do in my life than go hunting down articles on data but I am more than happy to leave it to people that don't such as yourself . Also you do know sarcasm makes you look incredibly immature .
Immature why? Because I hate people like you that say "SOURCE!" and are too dam lazy to even take all of about 10 seconds to google something? I have the same hate of people who sit there and say Humans are the reason why Global Climate change is happening or the people that say Humans have no effect on Climate change. They rant and spew BS from them all day long instead of doing the right thing which is EDUCATING themselves on a topic. No they are too dam lazy to google it and read a topic.
O and yes even though I work 60 hours a week, have 3 kids a wife I still manage to go find something and if for some reason I just cannot figure out why I am not able to find it. Then and ONLY then Will I ask for help from someone. So no its no immature to tell someone to go out and find it for themselves. Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a Man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
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Oh, and touting that "FFXIV is last P2P MMO" is completely false.
Its HYBRID model of box+mandatory sub+CASH SHOP(+expansions)
Quadriple dipping. And F2P games get ripped apart for just having....cash shop. lol
Ffxiv's cash shop compared to a f2p or b2p's cash shop. Ffxiv's content updates compared to everyone else. Huge differences.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/square-enix-swings-to-a-profit-boosts-income-forec/1100-6421534/
They Made a Profit. If they MADE PROFIT SE MADE MONEY ON THE GAME. The company also said that Final Fantasy XIV and Dragon Quest X have been "making favorable progress." MEANING THEY MADE MONEY ON THE GAME!
Yea it is. Its also a stupid tactic to think that they are going to magically have so much more money in the long term if they go F2P. Just like is a stupid tactic to give out Loans and Mortgages to anyone who walks through the bank door. The only reason so many MMOs went F2P over the last several years is because they have fast food content and business models that are not worth the sub. FFXIV Puts out new content every 3 to 4 months. It keeps people happy and paying the bills for SE plus makes them a profit. They are not looking to min max their profits because its not always the best direction for the company. You do know why? Min Maxing only looks good in an excel document however what really happens that an excel document does not take into account ever is the human aspect.
Yup, but its not P2P game, its HYBRID game and has every monetization known to MMOs included.
Oh, and i asked already, just for information, whats payment model in China? Yeah, im lazy
They have a cash shop and want to max their profits. Just as any other game out there with hybrid payment model.
Lol, im playing ESO atm thank you.
And? Whats GW2 has to do with SE using hybrid model and inclusion of cash shop on top of mandatory sub?
If anything it puts GW2 in good light lol
I'm playing ESO too right now. I do not see anything wrong in the P2P definition because I was serious earlier you pay to play because the sub is not optional. The definition is accurate.
Well in GW2 you can get in game money which is way worse than any mount or minion you can purchase in game in FFXIV ARR. These cosmetic items are just fluff absolute fluff so I do not understand what the huge ruckus is.
Your laughable you know that. I understand Development cycles way more intimately than you do. I been in IT for 12 years as a Systems engineer and MS SQL DBA. Right now I have 3 projects on my plate to move systems from my local data center to the Amazon cloud. I know the cost break downs because I work hand and hand with our PM, I also work with 2 VPs that have to give updated budget numbers monthly and guess what Yes I am involved at that level too.
So yes I can tell you from my day in and day out really life work experience I can tell you at 1 point FFXIV had 1.5 Million Active Subscriptions So lets just say sold around 1 Million boxes at $30 a piece thats $30 Million. 1 Million is not hard to imagine that they sold because in the first week SE sold 184K. I can say from what I know of development cycles FFXIV ARR never had a full blown 7 year MMO development Cycle. It was a 1 year Revamp cycle. So they likely spent in the neighborhood of about $30 to $60 Million. Likely on the low end of that. You also did not hear of a MASSIVE lay off from SE of developers after their ARR project like other Studios. So Yes they made money. I will admit I dont know what they made or loss in 1.0 however I do know they posted a lost before shutting down 1.0. ARR is a Success for SE, they are making money and they do not care that other MMOs are F2P. Yoshi said as much they dont care, they are happy with where the game is. They know they can make short term big sums of money. They dont need it, they are profitable right now. They want to keep ARR P2P. Thats what it all boils down to.
The problem is the F2P nut bags cannot stand that there is a P2P MMO and need to find any excuse why it should be F2P. Well guess what. SE and FFXIV is Profitable. Otherwise they would go F2P. Dont like it. O FUCKING WELL.
O and heads up the Cash shop was to help pay for a data center in EU. Plus people wanted it for all the little things that dont matter in game so they could help support the game. I dont care that you dont like it and you want to cry that the game is not f2p because you dont like to spend money. Maybe you should get a job.
Yea I figured that.
BTW, I hate cash shops including the one in ffxiv. Fact remains, the sub keeps that cash shop to a minimum. I hope it stays that way or I'm out. There's no cash shop currency that carries over in game which is sadly quite rare these days. And lastly, it hands down outpaces every mmo in patched content. How long will that last? Who knows. Definitely not forever. So just like everyone else and their mmo of choice, in not gonna worry about it and just enjoy the gaming goodness for as long as I can.
So i would say it F2P in China.
And thats the point, they felt the need to include cash shop on top of mandatory sub. Just like that they can change to F2P at any point, expand cash shop in any way they see fit.
If they were so satisfied with what they make, why did they introduced cash shop? Greed?
TL;DR
"I have no idea how FFXIV is doing but ill still say how its doing"
FFXIV losses dont magically dissapear by just renaming it to FFXIV:ARR lol
You forgot something:
"This leaves it in the players hands. Want to keep this game P2P, then keep subbing AND buying form cash shop. My guess is they will only look at B2P or F2P as an option is if they are not making enough money.
And now were reaching crux of things. They are not sure subs only will be enough. Which in turn means...
Becasue you can choose that or just plain greed. Whichever you prefer, since we dont really have anything to back it up.
But if anyone bought "players wanted it" PR, well, i have few bridges to sell, mint condition
Well thanks for googling it for me . I have better things to do in my life than go hunting down articles on data but I am more than happy to leave it to people that don't such as yourself . Also you do know sarcasm makes you look incredibly immature .
Well theres a surprise the majority of people playing a subscription game are happy with the subscription model lol The fact 1 in 5 arn't really is nothing to boast about . Its a bit like doing a survey in steakhouse about how many people like steak .
Also Naoki Yashida is clearly not very well informed if he thinks TESO is going free to play . Also he alludes to data but give no clear indication about how its been correlated or what the precise figures are . Is he to actually be believed or could it be that he is talking out of his backside in an interview and that no data was actually gathered in the first place .
Lets face it . Its not uncommon for people in the gaming industry to talk a load of old horse **** . Just look at the likes of Smedly and Ghostcrawler .
Ea is like a poo fingered midas ~ShakyMo
Immature why? Because I hate people like you that say "SOURCE!" and are too dam lazy to even take all of about 10 seconds to google something? I have the same hate of people who sit there and say Humans are the reason why Global Climate change is happening or the people that say Humans have no effect on Climate change. They rant and spew BS from them all day long instead of doing the right thing which is EDUCATING themselves on a topic. No they are too dam lazy to google it and read a topic.
O and yes even though I work 60 hours a week, have 3 kids a wife I still manage to go find something and if for some reason I just cannot figure out why I am not able to find it. Then and ONLY then Will I ask for help from someone. So no its no immature to tell someone to go out and find it for themselves. Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a Man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.