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What ever happend to camping for xp?
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Well that sort of definition-ignoring hyperbole is how words lose meaning. But even if we believed it, it wouldn't be used to describe serving a niche audience. No the apartment industry doesn't need to provide midget apartments. It'd be nice if they provided some flexible options for the audience, but there isn't really a context where they have to do that.
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
Again. You can grind or quest in mmos today. Grinding is better than questing exp wise in mmos today. Stop acting like you can't grind in mmos today.
And were you seriously trying to say questing is bad/repetitive but grinding wasn't? Seriously? Those grinding games are 1000x more repetitive than mmos today. You stayed in the same spot for literal hours.
I don't think anyone has anything against it if your preference is towards spawn camping. At most, they might look at you funny, but at the end of the day: to each their own.
What is being contested is how spawn camping is supposed to be this "genre saving feature" or some such and what positive effects it supposedly brings to the game.
The overall preference of the market seems to be quest/dungeon content rather than just grinding mobs however. And that is also likely why overwhelming majority of modern MMORPGs are focused on quest/dungeon content. Even when it is far more expensive to produce.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky
Here is a perfect example why conversations always seem to go south or never stay on target.. YOU DO realize that grinding has NOTHING to do with "camping"..?? right?? I said nothing about grinding..
Please reread what the topic actually is, and if you actually understand what camping is..
PS.. Don't even try to FOOL us that have been in this genre that camping mobs for example in Hellfire Pen. rewards the same as doing the quest, and the rate of XP is the same..
Not all grinding is camping.
this, camping is pretty much definition of grinding/farming
Exactly.
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
So So wrong.. again prefect example on what is wrong with conversations and understanding of the English language.. Today, for example I feel like "camping" mobs at location 1 for 30 minutes, then I'll move over to location 2 for a another 30, and maybe if I have time try camping location 3..
Camping is NOT grinding.. Camping just means you are NOT mobile and moving around.. PERIOD.. end of discussion, if you fail to understand that, I don't know what to tell you.. I have seen people "camp" mobs for 30 minutes and log off.. and see others GRIND heroic instances all day long.. Get it yet? lmaooooo
The repetitive action.
Camping = Grinding. Anyone who says it isn't is splitting hairs. Yes, in a camp you generally would have a puller pull to the group. But that is literal hair splitting since you're still grinding on the same mobs and sometimes the group was forced to move regardless depending how fast your group killed mobs because respawn rate wasn't as fast in todays games back then.
Case in point, like farming bandits in EQ. People frequently went between 2 bandit camps because respawn rate was pretty slow for full groups who killed them pretty quick.
As for your other point, yes, grinding mobs in outlands is faster than doing the quests. If you want to say otherwise i'm welcome to race you in level to show you how superior grinding mobs is in comparison to questing.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
It still exist in EQ today just not really in any other MMO.
Camping is not grinding it is knowing an item drops from a mob in that area so you camp that area trying to get it to spawn so you can get a chance at that item dropping. Or quest items drop here and I need to finish this quest. No MMO has found out how to make it fun and the truth is because most of them do not encourage grouping and when you play an entire MMO solo forcing people to group does not work it has to be built into the game from the very start which is why EQ worked.
EQ "worked" because there was no alternative
When alternative appeared (WoW) which was an evolution of EQ, EQ plunged and stayed under the radar with miniscule playerbase. Its even F2P today.
The success of WoW had nothing to do with "camping" vs "questing"..
EQ was a convoluted mess by 2004, and vanilla WoW did everything EQ did better.
Neither game is true to its original form, and neither have any bearing on what old mechanics could be successful in a new game.
It has a lot to do, among other things which made WoW much more enjoyable experience even for vast majority of EQ players (i wont discriminate here, for vast majority of "old school" games players) - questing as a progression method, no forced grouping
WoW did away with mechanics that didnt work and those never came back because pretty much noone wants them and people who wont them cant sustain a game.
Its very simple.
In fact only reminiscent of "old school" mechanics was endgame as it was equvivalent of camping/forced grouping Blizzard considers failure since <5% of playerbase participated in it. And guess who were co designers of WoW vanilla endgame? Thats right and that was only mistake Blizzard made with vanilla WoW.
You'd enjoy a lot more success if your replies actually disputed what it was you were replying to. You tell someone they're wrong, then you go on to describe details of how it essentially is still a grind.
From a logical standpoint, your position is hopeless, mostly because of these two things:
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
Especially when they actively avoid what little variety there is to be had. For example, named mobs which would actually provide a challenge.
As for your 5% thingy. Where did you get that from, cause in case you haven't kept up with WoW the past number of years.. It's about 5-10% of the playerbase that ever completes "Raiding", but Blizzard still designs that content with every expansion and patch.. LOL , so that somehow contradicts your logic that anything at 5% = deleted.. he he he
A lot of designers make mistakes with the subtler things, but it's unlikely they'll make the mistake of designing gameplay around sitting in one place doing the same thing.
At least not MMORPG designers. The demographic of people who want Farmville-style games-as-a-relaxation-activity doesn't really overlap enough with the very large market of people who want their MMORPGs to involve gameplay.
Though if you're only arguing that such a game could be made for fewer than 600k users (neither EVE nor EQ ever surpassed this) then sure maybe that could happen on a smaller budget.
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
I'm not sure you're looking at the thread the same way the rest of us are, so let me throw this possibility out there.
In response, you repeatedly replying with "OMG you are sooo wrong LOL go learn something then come back lol"
Just wanted to put that out there. That aside, he said that camping was the most repetitive form of MMORPG gameplay. Would you agree it's one of the top 3? If not, what aspects of MMO gameplay do you feel are more repetitive than camping?
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
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