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What ever happend to camping for xp?
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WTF, no leashing enabled you to stand in one spot usually exploiting terrain in some way.
Yes, you really should have experienced it to truly "admire" it lol It was most mindnumbing thing ever in MMOs (i correct myself, buffbots were most mindnumbing thing)
And if you think that you wanted to pull "variety" of things....well lets say....skilled groups knew exactly what and how many to pull depending at how much can you exploit a terrain.
but what i see is were not talking about skilled groups here so....heh
GW2
pure mob grinding
http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1x79jo/what_is_the_fastest_way_to_level_up_in_gw2/
karma train in EOTM
open world events/WBs/personal story
crafting
sPvP
dungeons
doing "quests" aka "hearts" is pretty much SLOWEST way to level
why dot you guys stop with "current" MMOs as current MMOs offer wide array of activities to level at similar speed
It is the only modern game that doesn't punish you for not questing, but then again, you get much, much more XP for doing hearts than you do per hour of grinding mobs. Unfortunately, I can't stand action combat games, so I lasted no more than a month or so with GW2. At least PvP was as viable a leveling path as hearts were.
I do give them full credit for offering the most XP for exploration than any other MMO I have played.
Sorry, hearts stopped being "viable" (you certainly can level by doing hearts) option long long time ago, and never ever were best, or event top 3.
And yes, people like to neglect or just conveniently forget that there certainly is other ways that beat questing in most of the games, in fact i dont really know of any modern game where questing is fastest way to level.
OTOH most of the people think of questing as BEST way to level since its certainly more enjoyable than other provided options (as was discussed to quite a lenght in some threads).
WoW, Rift, FFXIV ARR, LOTRO, Aion(someone else provided this game)
All of these modern, current, whatever monicker you want to label them with, you can level faster a multitude of ways other than questing, and grinding mobs is one of those ways. So just stop. Stop saying you can't. You can.
Level faster? That is debatable and that definitely depends if we are talking "new" noob character playing the game vs. a twinked alt that has help from others, or main character.. I'm telling you with almost certainty that if you are a noob character playing WoW , or Rift for the first time, you are GIMPING your character severely if you refuse/ignore questing.. We all know that quest rewards will 99% give you gear that is a level appropriate upgrade.. THESE upgrades are damn near required IF you wish to get involved in going into and completing dungeons/raids..
The odds of getting any meaningful "loot drops" from the random goddess that is equal to quest rewards is astronomical.. So don't even try to tell us that random open world drops are as good and plentiful as quest rewards.. Furthermore, don't argue that using the LFD finder is a respectable way of abusing the system to allow OTHER equip players to "support" your ill fated geared character that is dressed in greens.. Then you get to end game, and NO WAY an average group of "green" wearing characters defeats ANY bosses.. You NEED those quest reward BLUES to have a fair chance in starting end game dungeon grind..
BTW.. we are not talking about a veteran character running an alt through the game exploiting world/quest system.. We are talking about the AVERAGE player that is playing the game as intended and NO WAY you can say that ignoring the quest system is BETTER for character progression and development..
Last time i'm posting to you in this thread. You do not need a twinked alt to grind mobs in WoW or any of the other games i listed. Some of the fastest levelers(and i'm talking when expansions first drop, so there's no concept of "twinked" when everyone is pretty much on same starting field) in WoW grind mobs, they do not do quests en masse. They pick and choose their quests if they bother to do them at all. Generally if they even bother to do a quest(with knowledge from PTR) they would only do the ones that give a weapon and even that isn't necessary.
Quests have far to much downtime when you're running from the quest hub to the area where the mobs actually are. Not to mention the quests that require you to right click 10-15 hidden baubles spread out which don't give any exp at all. Same with vehicle quests. Same with go 100 miles here and talk to this npc for 1000 exp at level 90 quests.
Grinding mobs is a constant stream of exp only pausing when you need to move on to a new area which if you do it right isn't ever really an issue due to the way mobs are placed in maps in mostly increasing level in a straight direction unless you need to go to a particular zone you prefer.
You never have to stop if you're not lolbad at the game as all classes have just about 0 downtime now. Constantly fighting 3-4 mobs and aoeing them down at once always pulling more, basically playing it like an ARPG is WAY more exp than questing would give you. The fact that you seem to think you need quest gear to level just shows how little you even understand about WoW.
Grinding gets you a ton more gold than quests would give you. Gold you can use to buy whatever the fuck you want, like oh idk, gear every 20 or so levels at the lower range and every 10 at the upper range. You're joking if you really think you need constant gear upgrades lolol.
WOW.. really? What part of GIMPING don't you understand? Seriously, no one said you can't forge through the levels just grinding mobs.. Classic example is first 15 levels in WoW.. Average group of players that IGNORE all quest and only grind mobs as you recommend.. STAND NO CHANCE IN HELL in entering and defeating boss mobs in Deadmines.. Same can said for end game as well.. NOT having quest reward gear will GIMP your end game ability unless you trick othes in letting you ride their coat tails.. Give us a break if you think you can enter end game dungeon grind wearing greens..
NOW granted I left WoW and Rift years ago.. So I am talking about maybe a time when CAREBEARS didn't own the community and everything is handed to them.. I did catch wind that boss mobs now are so easy a strong fart from a taco bell meal can drop them.. /shrug.. Have a great day..
And now you post THIS after all the "OMG modern games are SO EASY"
Dude, in most games you get GREENS from quests. And AH is usually filled with cheapo blue starter endgame gear, and, *gasp* you can actually CRAFT your blue gear which is also super easy in most games.
Also most games have world bosses and champions that drop blue gear that you can aslo camp for gear BETTER than you get from questing.
Also, getting a group will make things even more faster and easier.
Again you prove my point, that you have no experience or understanding what camping is.. Just for shits.. Give me one good example in the first 20 levels people (preferably a group) can "CAMP".. Do you know what camping actually is.. That is the topic of this thread.. Cause let me TELL YOU, I have played WoW long enough to know there are NO real good locations to camp due to repawn rate and mob leashing.. Please describe to me and others YOUR "camping" experience.. TY
Yes, you actually have to mover around and *gasp* play the game. how ATROCIOUS! lol
Oh, and you generally cant go afk, the HORROR!
An cant generally macro the whole thing, BLASPHEMY!
Some things from old school needed to die and camping is one of them. But we do need activities in game that give players the opportunity to socialise. They may well need to be somehow linked to xp gain and levelling. The downtime needed in SWG (usually in a bar) springs to mind.
If socialising is not fun for you, you can do something else while you wait, in these days of Skype and Mumble it is very easy to get the message that the raid is on!
Why didn't you answer his question and give an example? You can giggle after you respond.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Again I ask you.. Give us good detail of your "camping" experience.. I do mean actual personal experience and in what game, not some biased word of mouth passed on my an upset gamer in the forums... Thanks..
It doesn't seem like you're actually reading what people are writing to you. He specifically noted that these grinds were how people achieved World First Max Level with each expansion's release.
If it's the fastest path to max level, it's the fastest path to max level. End of story. Did those players have worse gear? Sure. And it didn't matter, they were the fastest levelers.
Reaching max level in greens isn't exactly an unsolvable problem. For the World First type players it's not even a problem in the first place, since nobody is up there with them (that's what world first means, after all.) But for them and everyone else, they simply do a few quests in the max level zone and they'll be geared up and ready for dungeons.
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
Is there an example (anywhere, not just in games) of mandatory socialization being effective? It seems like something that wouldn't work, but I don't really know of examples of it being tried one way or another.
Conversely mandatory downtime has been tried and hasn't worked. Players will choose their entertainment, one way or another. If a game prevents them from having fun inside the game, they will make the choice outside the game (to play a different game.)
If downtime involves as much fun and gameplay as the rest of the game, that's about the only time I would think downtime can work in a game. (But that's sort of like saying "If downtime wasn't downtime, it could work.")
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
its very simple: we sat on a spot and killed stuff every one in a while. In....every.....single....game....of....that....type.
And if people want to experience it first hand - still games out there. Not ones that they would ever want to play.....but theyre out there lol
Downtime worked just fine, I don't even know what you mean by it didn't work. There was nothing inherently wrong with downtime in SWG. Many seemed to enjoy that time just as any other moment in the game. A whole game-play style was catered to with it. Which many players happily took part in daily. Just because Devs moved away from such focus, doesn't mean there was something wrong with it outright in the act of moving on itself. It is more likely a matter of scope as well as sacrifice to offer something in it's place, like extra time devoted to presentation.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Dude, you realize that most of the games worked that way?
You realize that you CAN do it today, and not even on some crappy emus?
EQ will release progression server soon so for anyone inetrested in first hand expereince, go and do it, you DONT need to read about it on the forums.
Lineage 2 will probably release clasic server, or just go to 85+ on regular
or just play any korean grinder, even Atlantica Online post lvl 95-100 will do lol
So instead of trying to convince people that their game needs camping, just send them to do it and judge for themselves lol
It seems that you are convinced that questing is the only way and that you can only grind mobs in old games like EQ. This is not true and you have been given plenty of explanation of why grinding mobs can be quicker or at least on par with questing. You have also admitted that you haven't played said games in years yet you are arguing with people who have recent experience with the game. Nowadays in wow a lot of people don't bother with quests and they powerlevel through playing dungeons. You don't need quest gear to beat dead mines. It might be slighly more difficult but who cares. Those levellimg dungeons have always been piss easy if you know what you are doing. And once you get on the dungeon train you will have better gear than people who purely quest and you will often level a lot faster especially if you are a tank or healer. Tank levellimg through dungeons is 10 times faster than questing in the dps spec of the class.
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You're right of course:
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[mod edit] fact is that there is no camping in new games and even many of those which had it removed it or mostly removed it.
One thing these people cant understand is that they are so small group that even devoting small portions of the game isnt worth it, and devs have all the metrics needed to decide.
Fact is that grinding mobs is fastest way to level in most of games, but for vast majority of people questing is the best and they will do it despite not being fastest.