I seen this failure coming the day Wildstar told people they will be doing hardcore 20/40 man raids. This setup was never going to ever work again and the money they spent building the game they never made their initial investment back. So no not surprised. I would prefer if these games just shut down because they are a waste going F2P.
Originally posted by DMKano If this comes as a surprise to anyone at this point....
^That.
It was either going F2P/B2P or getting shut down completely by NCSoft.
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the problem with ncsoft is they dont seem to want to embrace f2p. understand it as it IS a financial gamble...just ask soe? but honestly b2p worked for gw2 the only thing that killed gw2 is a real lack of new content...living story was mediocre. wildstar has huge potential by embracing casuals and the disaffected wow crowd
NCSoft took CoX f2p ...... and about 11 months later they closed it.
Changing the business model, in and of itself, will not guarantee WS's future. And NCSoft are unlikely to spend a significant amount of money promoting the game - they barely recouped what they spent when the game launched.
The clever move, imo, would be to leverage GW2. They could easily incorporate a splash screen in GW2's start up and - if they wanted to take WS b2p - they could sell the game in the GW2 cash shop.
They didn't do that the first time around as they were, presumably, hoping for a new market. When times get tough however ....
Originally posted by grimal I am hoping for B2P. I think if GW2 and ESO can do it right, then why not WS.
Be harder for Wildstar, Eso have strong footing then wildstar, with elder scroll name, gw 2 have big player base fan from gw 1, they all moved over. Thats why I think wildstar have there work cut out. and adding on top NCsoft trying to avoid nexon to take them over. So wildstar is a big risk for them to push in a lot funds in it, just to avoid nexon taking them over.
i played the trial some time ago , find the game fun ....however there was no one around , the zones were empty , yeah all the ppl is at max lvl , but as new player why i would buy the game to play alone for days (no1 bothers doing low lvl dungeons anymore ) and then hit max lvl and what? huge attunement that i will be forced to do slowly on my own , or beg my guild for help.
WS is a OK game , but with LOTS of ppl , it could be an AWESOME game , in other games soloing to max lvl its np, since there is huge population and u can queue for dungeons and pvp at any lvl and see the queue pop (FFXIV , WoW , ESO atm , hell even Rift)
in WS that doesnt happen. Its no wonder ppl play find it fun , buy the game and at 30ish quit , because is a lonely experience.
Originally posted by RedAlert539 Regardless of what this site suggests will happen or not, i think that Wildstar was the last true attempt of a major company to literally create a WoW 2. I really hope that these companies have learned their lesson by now and will try to stir away from that trend in the future.
This game is nothing like WoW other then a shared art style. The combat is so different a trinity WoW fan would not enjoy WS. PvP plays so different as well. Questing is not even the same, with pop up quests, Ship missions. I could go on and on but if you think this is a WoW clone, you ether didnt play WoW or you didnt play WS.
Last time I quit my subscription the questionnaire asked why I quit. I said there weren't enough people and it should go B2P. You guys can thank me for fixing WS. (at least the payment model)
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Originally posted by RedAlert539 Regardless of what this site suggests will happen or not, i think that Wildstar was the last true attempt of a major company to literally create a WoW 2. I really hope that these companies have learned their lesson by now and will try to stir away from that trend in the future.
This game is nothing like WoW other then a shared art style. The combat is so different a trinity WoW fan would not enjoy WS. PvP plays so different as well. Questing is not even the same, with pop up quests, Ship missions. I could go on and on but if you think this is a WoW clone, you ether didnt play WoW or you didnt play WS.
Also, WoWs combat system while great in PvP and some PvE elements is nothing like WS. In WoW you can pretty much stand still and just kill mobs, in WS you have to dodge and the AI is much more intelligent and aggressive. I'm a huge WoW fan but the combat is a little slow compared to this.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Last time I quit my subscription the questionnaire asked why I quit. I said there weren't enough people and it should go B2P. You guys can thank me for fixing WS. (at least the payment model)
Last time I quit my subscription the questionnaire asked why I quit. I said there weren't enough people and it should go B2P. You guys can thank me for fixing WS. (at least the payment model)
You have my gratitude.
lol! Now I'm off to do the same thing with WoW!
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
As someone else said, WS never had massive population numbers, so if it wants to sustain itself, it would make more sense to go f2p. There wouldn't be enough b2p customers to keep it going. It's not like ESO, which has a loyal fanbase due to the elder scrolls series.
As much as I would prefer it to go B2P (since I've bought a copy), I just don't see anyone buying it, because of unknown IP.
ESO could afford to go B2P, but Wildstar? I don't think so.
And still, even with F2P transition, NCsoft would have to invest a lot in advertising (as well as business model change) to get players on board.
I think neither B2P or F2P is coming to Wildstar. On the contrary, I think NCsoft might be pulling the plug.
Converting a game to a F2P model costs is a significant investment as it takes a lot of dev time (especially on the platform side).
If NCSoft is unwilling to invest more into WS they very well could just cut their losses - but IMO it's far too soon. I think they'll give it a fair go at F2P before choosing the sunset option.
I also think this is what will happen. They did the same with CoH. They made it F2P until it stopped being profitable and died.
Originally posted by cheyane I just started playing again yesterday , now I'm wondering if I should invest any time on the game if it is going to be put down.
I'm having fun, too. I have 8 more days on my free trial and I'm seriously considering a sub. The game seems a lot more fun than when I played it last time, for sure. Maybe there was just too much going on for me when this game launched with other games, etc. I found it kind of overwhelming and I didn't know what to do. This time, I'm just taking it in and having fun.
I don't know. I was just running around Thayd, the capital city for Exile and I didn't see anyone there. But I'm playing during Oceanic prime time, so I guess it's the quietest time for the NA server.
I hope f2p isn't a disaster. I just don't like f2p with the constant cash shop reminders interfering in what I want to be a virtual world. Oh well. Times are changing.
WildStar was gutter trash in beta. I tried the free trial last month and subbed myself!
Originally posted by rojoArcueid Originally posted by DMKanoOriginally posted by DeniZgAs much as I would prefer it to go B2P (since I've bought a copy), I just don't see anyone buying it, because of unknown IP.ESO could afford to go B2P, but Wildstar? I don't think so.And still, even with F2P transition, NCsoft would have to invest a lot in advertising (as well as business model change) to get players on board. I think neither B2P or F2P is coming to Wildstar. On the contrary, I think NCsoft might be pulling the plug.
Converting a game to a F2P model costs is a significant investment as it takes a lot of dev time (especially on the platform side). If NCSoft is unwilling to invest more into WS they very well could just cut their losses - but IMO it's far too soon. I think they'll give it a fair go at F2P before choosing the sunset option.I also think this is what will happen. They did the same with CoH. They made it F2P until it stopped being profitable and died.
You forgot that CoH had been around for 8 years before they did shut it down. THey are not going to shut down WS, not for another 5 years at least.
For all we know, it might just be that the promotion to get the free items with the purchase of the physical box is illegal somehow in australia, which is why they pulled the boxes there before starting it.
People are buying keys and getting the deals no need for the physical boxes it seems. Or their system cannot differentiate between digital and physical keys.
They have to go F2p. They don't have a choice. The market has already determined this. Free to play is how you make money nowadays. I disagree with this model but the market has already decided. Any game you see right now that has a sub will be Free to Play very soon in my opinion. It's not about emotions are honesty, honor etc etc. It's about the money and the bean counters say go free to play. Of course this is my opinion, but if Wildstar does go free to play I might play it more often.
Originally posted by ceratop001 They have to go F2p. They don't have a choice. The market has already determined this. Free to play is how you make money nowadays. I disagree with this model but the market has already decided. Any game you see right now that has a sub will be Free to Play very soon in my opinion. It's not about emotions are honesty, honor etc etc. It's about the money and the bean counters say go free to play. Of course this is my opinion, but if Wildstar does go free to play I might play it more often.
^^ You are so right on the money. The market has unfortunately deemed F2P as the "best" model. I don't know how, but I guess both devs and players have to depend on "whales" for survival now.
Originally posted by ceratop001 They have to go F2p. They don't have a choice. The market has already determined this. Free to play is how you make money nowadays. I disagree with this model but the market has already decided. Any game you see right now that has a sub will be Free to Play very soon in my opinion. It's not about emotions are honesty, honor etc etc. It's about the money and the bean counters say go free to play. Of course this is my opinion, but if Wildstar does go free to play I might play it more often.
^^ You are so right on the money. The market has unfortunately deemed F2P as the "best" model. I don't know how, but I guess both devs and players have to depend on "whales" for survival now.
Zynga would possibly like to interview both of you! SoE as well if it wasn't for the fact they have just laid off many of their staff. PopCap as well. And Roxio. Etc. Message: f2p is no guarantee of making a profit.
CoH went f2p because it was no longer making enough money; going f2p didn't change that and the game closed. f2p is no guarantee.
More people bought SWTOR - at full price - in the 6 months after the game launched than signed up for a f2p account in the 6 months after it went f2p. And SW is a big IP. At the time EA talked about how f2p was "the future" - guess what - neither UO, DAoC or WAR went f2p. Message - think you have it by now.
NCSoft might want to change - to b2p or f2p or lower the sub cost or ...... but whatever they do they have to get the message out. WS's problem is not that people post this and then that as someone said above it is that no one posts anything (for all intents and purposes). There is no buzz, no vibe, no word of mouth.
And they won't want to spend any money. Hence my thought that they use the cash shop in GW2. Maybe offer the game + 3 months sub say for $15. (Online as well of course). And give existing subscribers a couple of months free. Then come June say see how its gone. Maybe extend the sub discount - whatever.
There is no easy solution however. There is a very real danger that - if they do something - it will simply be lost in the noise.
It's likely related to this. Which, by the way, is a serious bone to all current subscribers. Instead of just implementing a cash shop, or making them obtainable in-game, they're attaching "mystery boxes" (RNG "cash shop" boxes) to serial codes in previously made copies of the game. So, in order to obtain them, you have to go out and purchase a $39.99 box, in hopes of getting the item you want.
You go get 30 days game time with it, though ...
I didn't think it could get worse than Cash Shop RNG Loot Boxes .. But Cash Shop RNG Loot Boxes in RL boxes, that you have to go and obtain? Takes the cake.
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^That.
It was either going F2P/B2P or getting shut down completely by NCSoft.
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so say we all
NCSoft took CoX f2p ...... and about 11 months later they closed it.
Changing the business model, in and of itself, will not guarantee WS's future. And NCSoft are unlikely to spend a significant amount of money promoting the game - they barely recouped what they spent when the game launched.
The clever move, imo, would be to leverage GW2. They could easily incorporate a splash screen in GW2's start up and - if they wanted to take WS b2p - they could sell the game in the GW2 cash shop.
They didn't do that the first time around as they were, presumably, hoping for a new market. When times get tough however ....
Be harder for Wildstar, Eso have strong footing then wildstar, with elder scroll name, gw 2 have big player base fan from gw 1, they all moved over. Thats why I think wildstar have there work cut out. and adding on top NCsoft trying to avoid nexon to take them over. So wildstar is a big risk for them to push in a lot funds in it, just to avoid nexon taking them over.
i played the trial some time ago , find the game fun ....however there was no one around , the zones were empty , yeah all the ppl is at max lvl , but as new player why i would buy the game to play alone for days (no1 bothers doing low lvl dungeons anymore ) and then hit max lvl and what? huge attunement that i will be forced to do slowly on my own , or beg my guild for help.
WS is a OK game , but with LOTS of ppl , it could be an AWESOME game , in other games soloing to max lvl its np, since there is huge population and u can queue for dungeons and pvp at any lvl and see the queue pop (FFXIV , WoW , ESO atm , hell even Rift)
in WS that doesnt happen. Its no wonder ppl play find it fun , buy the game and at 30ish quit , because is a lonely experience.
If true, this is what I see on this site.
Post: Game needs to go F2P/B2P
-Game goes F2P/B2P
Post: Told you this game was dead.
See the problem? It seems a lot of people calling for it, are not even interested in the game if they paid them.
I can fly higher than an aeroplane.
And I have the voice of a thousand hurricanes.
Hurt - Wars
This game is nothing like WoW other then a shared art style. The combat is so different a trinity WoW fan would not enjoy WS. PvP plays so different as well. Questing is not even the same, with pop up quests, Ship missions. I could go on and on but if you think this is a WoW clone, you ether didnt play WoW or you didnt play WS.
Last time I quit my subscription the questionnaire asked why I quit. I said there weren't enough people and it should go B2P. You guys can thank me for fixing WS. (at least the payment model)
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Also, WoWs combat system while great in PvP and some PvE elements is nothing like WS. In WoW you can pretty much stand still and just kill mobs, in WS you have to dodge and the AI is much more intelligent and aggressive. I'm a huge WoW fan but the combat is a little slow compared to this.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
You have my gratitude.
lol! Now I'm off to do the same thing with WoW!
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
The game isn't going to shut down,please.
Now a payment change is most likely on the horizon, I would prefer a B2P with a sub option, but I think it will be F2P with a sub
I also think this is what will happen. They did the same with CoH. They made it F2P until it stopped being profitable and died.
WildStar was gutter trash in beta. I tried the free trial last month and subbed myself!
Now, which one of you will adorn me today?
I also think this is what will happen. They did the same with CoH. They made it F2P until it stopped being profitable and died.
You forgot that CoH had been around for 8 years before they did shut it down. THey are not going to shut down WS, not for another 5 years at least.
For all we know, it might just be that the promotion to get the free items with the purchase of the physical box is illegal somehow in australia, which is why they pulled the boxes there before starting it.
If it does go F2P/B2P, I hope it's B2P.
What can men do against such reckless hate?
^^ You are so right on the money. The market has unfortunately deemed F2P as the "best" model. I don't know how, but I guess both devs and players have to depend on "whales" for survival now.
Now, which one of you will adorn me today?
Zynga would possibly like to interview both of you! SoE as well if it wasn't for the fact they have just laid off many of their staff. PopCap as well. And Roxio. Etc. Message: f2p is no guarantee of making a profit.
CoH went f2p because it was no longer making enough money; going f2p didn't change that and the game closed. f2p is no guarantee.
More people bought SWTOR - at full price - in the 6 months after the game launched than signed up for a f2p account in the 6 months after it went f2p. And SW is a big IP. At the time EA talked about how f2p was "the future" - guess what - neither UO, DAoC or WAR went f2p. Message - think you have it by now.
NCSoft might want to change - to b2p or f2p or lower the sub cost or ...... but whatever they do they have to get the message out. WS's problem is not that people post this and then that as someone said above it is that no one posts anything (for all intents and purposes). There is no buzz, no vibe, no word of mouth.
And they won't want to spend any money. Hence my thought that they use the cash shop in GW2. Maybe offer the game + 3 months sub say for $15. (Online as well of course). And give existing subscribers a couple of months free. Then come June say see how its gone. Maybe extend the sub discount - whatever.
There is no easy solution however. There is a very real danger that - if they do something - it will simply be lost in the noise.
Dont know if this was already posted, but ...
http://www.wildstar-online.com/en/news/2015-04-15-announcing-the-wildstar-box-mystery-box-promo/
It's likely related to this. Which, by the way, is a serious bone to all current subscribers. Instead of just implementing a cash shop, or making them obtainable in-game, they're attaching "mystery boxes" (RNG "cash shop" boxes) to serial codes in previously made copies of the game. So, in order to obtain them, you have to go out and purchase a $39.99 box, in hopes of getting the item you want.
You go get 30 days game time with it, though ...
I didn't think it could get worse than Cash Shop RNG Loot Boxes .. But Cash Shop RNG Loot Boxes in RL boxes, that you have to go and obtain? Takes the cake.