2 I had zero confidence before any of the shin dings happened with AA,i knew Trion only did it for money and really did not care about AA at all.
3 Trion has yet to prove to me they are a triple A developer,yes Rift had signs but also signs of Indie as well.
They need to really put some effort into this game,after i tried Trove,i see nothing but quick cash grabs from Trion,similar to Daybreak.I want to see triple A systems,graphics,physics,i want to play a game that has some longevity and not just linear questing with rinse and repeat instances.
When i look back at their very best effort "Rift"i was like everyone excited to see these Rifts.After actually playing,i saw a VERY generic automated system,that i got bored of in about 3 days.In comparison 13 years later i still look forward to FFXI's Besieged.Rifts were always the same,they also happened far too often and in far too many places,people just had too much of it in a very short time.SO when the best selling point of your game is boring after 3 days,you did something wrong.
I am simply put,not sold on Trion having the minds to make great games,adequate,decent games yes nut not great.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
I would've been excited for this news during their early RiFT days. However, after seeing how they managed ArcheAge with their most horrid P2W cash system, I don't care much for Trion.
The demon in that pic does indeed look like Asian demon art, so Bill might actually be right.
Trove and Rift don't have the same issue as AA. Why brush them so broadly?
I can't speak to Trove because I have no desire to play it, and I think most of the issues with ArcheAge stem from XL games.
However, Rift is where I have my issues with Trion. How they handled Rift shows me that they have no respect for their customers (which granted is not a Trion unique thing) and no clear vision.
The lack of respect thing stems from a lot of the BS they fed to players, such as 'these arent server merges, we are making trial servers'. Or how they made a big deal out of selling year long sub packages as they were actively working on a free to play launch 6 months later.
As far as their no clear vision, so much of Rift became half finished ideas. Half assed AA system. Half assed 3 faction pvp in a 2 faction game. master mode dungeons of which I think they released 2 or 3. It really was the equivalent of throwing shit against the wall and seeing what stuck. And the shit that stuck, what they invested the most time in, was a system that recycled quests into a from of quest grinding without story, rewards, or lore. Just zapping around the map completing mundane quest after quest after quest. I think they got a little better with this later on, they did a good job remaking EQ2's housing system and have developed that pretty well. But I just don't see Trion as a company with a good vision.
And yes, I do think I am a little hard on Trion, but some of it stems from fatigue from the ridiculous deluge of praise they got for Rift initially. And it did have a fantastic launch. But much of the tremendous development pace came from content being worked on or finished before the game release or ways to reuse old assets. It was still impressive, but not sustainable and ultimately I found much of the content just not very engaging. Rift was respectable but not remarkable.
If it's a new game, I'll be interested. If it's a port, then no ty.
I do have faith that Trion still has the capacity to create a good product and provide quality service alongside it, but they do have quite a bit to prove.
Don't get the Trion hate either.. XL Games is what made the monetary system.. Trion just manages it here in the US.. Loved Rift, and it looked great for its time.. Probably still does.. Only reason I'm not still playing it is I like ESO PvP better..
Originally posted by Coldren Don't get the Trion hate either.. XL Games is what made the monetary system.. Trion just manages it here in the US..
Mismanagement, simple as that.
Originally posted by laokoko "if you want to be a game designer, you should sell your house and fund your game. Since if you won't even fund your own game, no one will".
Originally posted by Coldren Don't get the Trion hate either.. XL Games is what made the monetary system.. Trion just manages it here in the US.. Loved Rift, and it looked great for its time.. Probably still does.. Only reason I'm not still playing it is I like ESO PvP better..
When you decide to lay down with a ho , well you are just another ho ,,,
You guys have to realize Trion completely abandoned an entire Rift pvp community when they changed the gear to pve. Players spent a massive amount of time earning their PvP gear and grinding their proverbial butts off. Think about it logically. An entire community was crushed and neglected when they said one day, "Oh by the way that gear you spent months (some a year) earning is worthless. Now you have to Pve to get the best gear. to enjoy PvP". Players that never did dungeons or pve for years or since they started playing were crushed. A community that only Pvped that helped build the player base and essentially made the game popular in many circles were screwed. It was the biggest mistake they ever made and some of that hatred rolled in Archeage. When Archeage crumbled it was like a nuclear bomb going off. There's a whole lot of reasons many players could care less about Trion making a game. People are just jaded with the company and really hurt. This goes deep down the rabbit whole for some people, and yes many wish they took the blue pill.
In this game, do I get to play a person with a sword or spells in a fantasy setting and fight big monsters over and over for XP and loot?
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
@Sovrath: Wrong game, I was hoping for Lost Ark, though. I am an aRPG fan and Lost Ark looks like a better game. Anyway, it hasn't been officially announced, but it's Devilian. Here is Steparu playing it:
Trion can go fuck themselves. They have earned permabans from me. They are now in the same compamy as EA, Jeff Hickman and Paul Batnett, and Eric 'Wingman' Peterson.
Originally posted by Coldren Don't get the Trion hate either.. XL Games is what made the monetary system.. Trion just manages it here in the US..
Mismanagement, simple as that.
So are you stating that Archeage is handled differently in both Russia and Korea, or is Trion also to blame for those Cluster*****
I'll wait and see how things turn out with any new games from them, at least giving them the benefit of the doubt, though for sure, i would never touch a game from XLGames.
I find it funny that people like trion is only doing it for the money, they forget trion is a company that what they do, make money, same as any companies. Is fine that people hate the company for many reason was on there part but the p2w stuff been in the game over sea, or how much land one can have so on and so on.
@Sovrath: Wrong game, I was hoping for Lost Ark, though. I am an aRPG fan and Lost Ark looks like a better game. Anyway, it hasn't been officially announced, but it's Devilian. Here is Steparu playing it:
EDIT: Ewps, mixed up names.
I was actually commenting based off of what Bill said earlier in the thread as he suggested it was Lost Ark. It seemed plausible at the time.
I don't know anything about Devilian yet.
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It's sad that trion keeps throwing random games on the market hoping to grab the initial cash of founders paks and other shady things, they need to replace Defiance with some fresh stuff and this is the next guaranteed trion fail.
Basically clicking away text windows ruins every MMO, try to have fun instead of rushing things. Without story and lore all there is left is a bunch of mechanics. Reply Add Multi-Quote
I was expecting to read a lot more hate since it's trion
step it up guys
IT'S A TRAP!!!!
Remember, "Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering."
So, we see an awful lot of posts on here about how people are simply not enjoying themselves with MMORPG gaming anymore. It's blamed on companies. I blame the dark side. Yoda was right all along.
In all seriousness, though, if you honestly hate Trion that much, then move on before the dark side takes full hold of you because it doesn't get any better. These aren't the games you're looking for.
fact these people were not sued for bait and switch, fraud and scam tactics with archeage befuddles me. I can't believe they are even still in business or that hartmen has a job. disgusting company stay away from anything they do
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1 I don't hate Trion at all
2 I had zero confidence before any of the shin dings happened with AA,i knew Trion only did it for money and really did not care about AA at all.
3 Trion has yet to prove to me they are a triple A developer,yes Rift had signs but also signs of Indie as well.
They need to really put some effort into this game,after i tried Trove,i see nothing but quick cash grabs from Trion,similar to Daybreak.I want to see triple A systems,graphics,physics,i want to play a game that has some longevity and not just linear questing with rinse and repeat instances.
When i look back at their very best effort "Rift"i was like everyone excited to see these Rifts.After actually playing,i saw a VERY generic automated system,that i got bored of in about 3 days.In comparison 13 years later i still look forward to FFXI's Besieged.Rifts were always the same,they also happened far too often and in far too many places,people just had too much of it in a very short time.SO when the best selling point of your game is boring after 3 days,you did something wrong.
I am simply put,not sold on Trion having the minds to make great games,adequate,decent games yes nut not great.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
I can't speak to Trove because I have no desire to play it, and I think most of the issues with ArcheAge stem from XL games.
However, Rift is where I have my issues with Trion. How they handled Rift shows me that they have no respect for their customers (which granted is not a Trion unique thing) and no clear vision.
The lack of respect thing stems from a lot of the BS they fed to players, such as 'these arent server merges, we are making trial servers'. Or how they made a big deal out of selling year long sub packages as they were actively working on a free to play launch 6 months later.
As far as their no clear vision, so much of Rift became half finished ideas. Half assed AA system. Half assed 3 faction pvp in a 2 faction game. master mode dungeons of which I think they released 2 or 3. It really was the equivalent of throwing shit against the wall and seeing what stuck. And the shit that stuck, what they invested the most time in, was a system that recycled quests into a from of quest grinding without story, rewards, or lore. Just zapping around the map completing mundane quest after quest after quest. I think they got a little better with this later on, they did a good job remaking EQ2's housing system and have developed that pretty well. But I just don't see Trion as a company with a good vision.
And yes, I do think I am a little hard on Trion, but some of it stems from fatigue from the ridiculous deluge of praise they got for Rift initially. And it did have a fantastic launch. But much of the tremendous development pace came from content being worked on or finished before the game release or ways to reuse old assets. It was still impressive, but not sustainable and ultimately I found much of the content just not very engaging. Rift was respectable but not remarkable.
I was expecting to read a lot more hate since it's trion
step it up guys
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Nope, nope, and more nope.
If it's a new game, I'll be interested. If it's a port, then no ty.
I do have faith that Trion still has the capacity to create a good product and provide quality service alongside it, but they do have quite a bit to prove.
Mismanagement, simple as that.
Originally posted by laokoko
"if you want to be a game designer, you should sell your house and fund your game. Since if you won't even fund your own game, no one will".
No longer relevant and to insignificant to waste energy hatin
When you decide to lay down with a ho , well you are just another ho ,,,
Yep. Check out Devilian's Thai website and go to story: http://www.dv.in.th/gameinfo/story.aspx
Image look familiar? Good call Darthem, it's Devilian.
In this game, do I get to play a person with a sword or spells in a fantasy setting and fight big monsters over and over for XP and loot?
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Why yes sir, yes sir you do!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL5zGvsmSM0
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
@Sovrath: Wrong game, I was hoping for Lost Ark, though. I am an aRPG fan and Lost Ark looks like a better game. Anyway, it hasn't been officially announced, but it's Devilian. Here is Steparu playing it:
EDIT: Ewps, mixed up names.
So are you stating that Archeage is handled differently in both Russia and Korea, or is Trion also to blame for those Cluster*****
I'll wait and see how things turn out with any new games from them, at least giving them the benefit of the doubt, though for sure, i would never touch a game from XLGames.
This times 1000. I do not want them to get Lost Ark. Because they would find some way to screw it up royally.
In War - Victory.
In Peace - Vigilance.
In Death - Sacrifice.
I was actually commenting based off of what Bill said earlier in the thread as he suggested it was Lost Ark. It seemed plausible at the time.
I don't know anything about Devilian yet.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
It's sad that trion keeps throwing random games on the market hoping to grab the initial cash of founders paks and other shady things, they need to replace Defiance with some fresh stuff and this is the next guaranteed trion fail.
Basically clicking away text windows ruins every MMO, try to have fun instead of rushing things. Without story and lore all there is left is a bunch of mechanics.
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IT'S A TRAP!!!!
Remember, "Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering."
So, we see an awful lot of posts on here about how people are simply not enjoying themselves with MMORPG gaming anymore. It's blamed on companies. I blame the dark side. Yoda was right all along.
In all seriousness, though, if you honestly hate Trion that much, then move on before the dark side takes full hold of you because it doesn't get any better. These aren't the games you're looking for.
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