further more stay away from anything that has top guilds from archage active in it's forums.. if you played archage you know will know who i am talking about
I would've been excited for this news during their early RiFT days. However, after seeing how they managed ArcheAge with their most horrid P2W cash system, I don't care much for Trion.
The demon in that pic does indeed look like Asian demon art, so Bill might actually be right.
Todays Trion is not the same Trion that made Rift so many years ago. The talent left and Hartman came in to lead. Ever since then, they have spiraled downward in quality and game management. Look at what they have done since releasing Rift.
1. Alienated a lot of their Rift players with unwanted changes
2. End of Nations - That worked out well
3. Defiance - LOL, great development there!
4. Archeage - Bring in a Korean moneypit and ruin your reputation even more
5. Trove - Try and cash in on minecrafts popularity because your team lacks imagination and you dont know how to make a winning game yourself.
I dont see any product from Trion ever being on my want list. They are in emergency mode, bringing other developers games from other countries and copying what is already out there. No imagination is left there and the management sucks. I wont be surprised to see more Trion layoffs coming this December.
"Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game." - SEANMCAD
I just looked up Divilian Online, and I certainly hope not. It looks like a generic dungeon crawler with uninspired characters (seriously, you have: the generic big guy, the generic sexy woman, the generic loli, and the...Belmont/Alucard?).
Todays Trion is not the same Trion that made Rift so many years ago. The talent left and Hartman came in to lead. Ever since then, they have spiraled downward in quality and game management. Look at what they have done since releasing Rift.
1. Alienated a lot of their Rift players with unwanted changes
2. End of Nations - That worked out well
3. Defiance - LOL, great development there!
4. Archeage - Bring in a Korean moneypit and ruin your reputation even more
5. Trove - Try and cash in on minecrafts popularity because your team lacks imagination and you dont know how to make a winning game yourself.
I dont see any product from Trion ever being on my want list. They are in emergency mode, bringing other developers games from other countries and copying what is already out there. No imagination is left there and the management sucks. I wont be surprised to see more Trion layoffs coming this December.
Don't forget that Warface was about to be published by Trion, but Crytek decided to rather not hand it to them and instead published the game themselves.
Crytek was obviously concerned about Trion as a publisher and until today, there is no official statement on that move.
It's painful to read how out of touch with reality you are.
Trion is growing and hiring - they are more profitable now than at any point in their existence.
Did they hire a few staff? Yes, after they laid off what some sources reported as 80% of the company in May of 2013 due to the failure that Defiance was of course they have since hired a few people to work on new projects. Maybe they are just hiring a few to replace the (at least) 5 people that have left in the last 5 months and that is just the few who left a rating at glassdoor.com Oh but I'll bet those people dont know the real story of Trion like you do, am I right?
Are they booming and raking in the cash and more profitable than they ever have been? I highly doubt it and unless you plan on posting an income statement showing proof, I wont be taking your word for it. Population in most of their games is down, Defiance was a money sink and Trove sure isnt going to be bringing in the big money. They got a cash infusion from Archeage from its pre-orders but that cost them a lot of reputation and that well is drying up fast.
"Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game." - SEANMCAD
Todays Trion is not the same Trion that made Rift so many years ago. The talent left and Hartman came in to lead. Ever since then, they have spiraled downward in quality and game management. Look at what they have done since releasing Rift.
1. Alienated a lot of their Rift players with unwanted changes
2. End of Nations - That worked out well
3. Defiance - LOL, great development there!
4. Archeage - Bring in a Korean moneypit and ruin your reputation even more
5. Trove - Try and cash in on minecrafts popularity because your team lacks imagination and you dont know how to make a winning game yourself.
I dont see any product from Trion ever being on my want list. They are in emergency mode, bringing other developers games from other countries and copying what is already out there. No imagination is left there and the management sucks. I wont be surprised to see more Trion layoffs coming this December.
Don't forget that Warface was about to be published by Trion, but Crytek decided to rather not hand it to them and instead published the game themselves.
Crytek was obviously concerned about Trion as a publisher and until today, there is no official statement on that move.
Can't forget Crytek had a hard time playing there employees so Crytek had money trouble, Trion may just back off after they can't make up there payments. But who knows what happen behind doors, but the news don't lie about Crytek had money trouble.
Todays Trion is not the same Trion that made Rift so many years ago. The talent left and Hartman came in to lead. Ever since then, they have spiraled downward in quality and game management. Look at what they have done since releasing Rift.
1. Alienated a lot of their Rift players with unwanted changes
2. End of Nations - That worked out well
3. Defiance - LOL, great development there!
4. Archeage - Bring in a Korean moneypit and ruin your reputation even more
5. Trove - Try and cash in on minecrafts popularity because your team lacks imagination and you dont know how to make a winning game yourself.
I dont see any product from Trion ever being on my want list. They are in emergency mode, bringing other developers games from other countries and copying what is already out there. No imagination is left there and the management sucks. I wont be surprised to see more Trion layoffs coming this December.
Now this is a great post and I couldn't agree more. Please read my post wish is a few pages ahead of this but this is spot on.
Todays Trion is not the same Trion that made Rift so many years ago. The talent left and Hartman came in to lead. Ever since then, they have spiraled downward in quality and game management. Look at what they have done since releasing Rift.
1. Alienated a lot of their Rift players with unwanted changes
2. End of Nations - That worked out well
3. Defiance - LOL, great development there!
4. Archeage - Bring in a Korean moneypit and ruin your reputation even more
5. Trove - Try and cash in on minecrafts popularity because your team lacks imagination and you dont know how to make a winning game yourself.
I dont see any product from Trion ever being on my want list. They are in emergency mode, bringing other developers games from other countries and copying what is already out there. No imagination is left there and the management sucks. I wont be surprised to see more Trion layoffs coming this December.
It's painful to read how out of touch with reality you are.
Trion is growing and hiring - they are more profitable now than at any point in their existence.
Game studios are a business - sure you can hate the games all you want - but what stake and right do we have in telling another company how to run their business when in fact they are raking in cash?
None of us have any skin in the game, unless some are here private investors in Trion - who are we to tell any private company how to run their business?
Some Gamers for some reason have this delusional view that game companies should listen to them as far as business practices... heh
If you want Trion to listen - buy out the company and then do it your way
The only thing that is painful is seeing you suck trions balls till you suck the skin off. You have ZERO credibility when it comes to anything Trion. But, keep whiteknighting like a champ.
You should read that bunch of crap that is Defiance data then,a page completely dedicated to give visibility to the hypocrisy of the developers and community managers,all this people continues to lie at players.
Todays Trion is not the same Trion that made Rift so many years ago. The talent left and Hartman came in to lead. Ever since then, they have spiraled downward in quality and game management. Look at what they have done since releasing Rift.
1. Alienated a lot of their Rift players with unwanted changes
Lot? Heh yeah you mean small PvP minority? Would love to see a source for "a lot"
2. End of Nations - That worked out well
Have you played it? It sucked - this was a Petroglyph developed game and they killed it since it was no good. This happens - another example is Blizzard Project Titan.
3. Defiance - LOL, great development there!
Yep the launch was rough, after San Diego shutdown and the game dev was moved to redwood city it improved significantly - hell go read the re-reviews, there is one on this very site. Original review score at launch was 6.6, now it's 7.8.
4. Archeage - Bring in a Korean moneypit and ruin your reputation even more
The game is a goldmine for both XL and Trion, ruined reputation hardly, its a very polarazing game due to anti-"p2w" crowd
5. Trove - Try and cash in on minecrafts popularity because your team lacks imagination and you dont know how to make a winning game yourself.
Now you just went into absurdities, obviously you know very little about Troves featues and are only looking at cube voxel graphics. Trove is one of the most innovative and groundbreaking MMOs period, not graphically but again look at the feature list, look at the community content in game. I mean really? lol
To say that Troves team lacks imagination is a view that comes from pure ignorance, its hard to take seriously.
Do you even Trove bro?
I dont see any product from Trion ever being on my want list. They are in emergency mode, bringing other developers games from other countries and copying what is already out there. No imagination is left there and the management sucks. I wont be surprised to see more Trion layoffs coming this December.
It's painful to read how out of touch with reality you are.
Trion is growing and hiring - they are more profitable now than at any point in their existence.
Game studios are a business - sure you can hate the games all you want - but what stake and right do we have in telling another company how to run their business when in fact they are raking in cash?
None of us have any skin in the game, unless some are here private investors in Trion - who are we to tell any private company how to run their business?
Some Gamers for some reason have this delusional view that game companies should listen to them as far as business practices... heh
If you want Trion to listen - buy out the company and then do it your way
I'm not surprised that Trion now would be more profitable than they ever were. Sure, Rift had a good subscriber base its first 3-6 months, but that was clearly in the making back their investment phase. But Rift's sub base grew to something just mediocre, Defiance was not the success they hoped, and EoN never made it.
Now Rift's population has been boosted by f2p and while far from impressive is at least stable, while the development for it has certainly dropped. I'm sure it makes far more profit now than it did in the latter half of 1.0. AA is obviously a gold mine. Trove, I know nothing about the payment model as the game never had any appeal to me but I'm sure its been fairly cheap to develop since initially it was just a couple devs doing a side project. I do think kano is almost definitely overblowing its positive aspects, but I bet there is some truth to Trove being more than whats on the surface (and this for once isnt just a knock on how terrible i think Trove looks on the surface)
That said, the more profitable Trion isn't a better Trion from the consumer standpoint (IMO of course). While every MMORPG company looks for profits, I think some do care about quality. I don't really think Trion gives a damn about quality anymore. They arent alone here, but its not a good thing.
It's painful to read how out of touch with reality you are.
Trion is growing and hiring - they are more profitable now than at any point in their existence.
Did they hire a few staff? Yes, after they laid off what some sources reported as 80% of the company in May of 2013 due to the failure that Defiance was of course they have since hired a few people to work on new projects. Maybe they are just hiring a few to replace the (at least) 5 people that have left in the last 5 months and that is just the few who left a rating at glassdoor.com Oh but I'll bet those people dont know the real story of Trion like you do, am I right?
Are they booming and raking in the cash and more profitable than they ever have been? I highly doubt it and unless you plan on posting an income statement showing proof, I wont be taking your word for it. Population in most of their games is down, Defiance was a money sink and Trove sure isnt going to be bringing in the big money. They got a cash infusion from Archeage from its pre-orders but that cost them a lot of reputation and that well is drying up fast.
Pure conjecture on your part. I have no public info that I can share on private company so you can choose to not believe me, it's fine. I can tell you with billion % certainty that there won't be layoffs by Trion by December. Let's wait and see - I will delete my account and never post again if this happens. If you are looking for game companies that are struggling look at Turbine, look at Daybreak - that was Trion back in 2013. That 80% figure is way off, it was about 35% since they closed an entire San Diego studio. That was rock bottom for Trion.
So you are talking about Trion 2 years ago - look at Trion today, look at them again in December and then come back and tell me something.
We could only hope that this happens. Biggest, loudest fucking fanboi on the face of Earth.
Oh no.... Did someone just post something bad about Trion of AA. DMKano on his way to save the day. GTFO
Originally posted by ceratop001 You guys have to realize Trion completely abandoned an entire Rift pvp community when they changed the gear to pve. Players spent a massive amount of time earning their PvP gear and grinding their proverbial butts off. Think about it logically. An entire community was crushed and neglected when they said one day, "Oh by the way that gear you spent months (some a year) earning is worthless. Now you have to Pve to get the best gear. to enjoy PvP". Players that never did dungeons or pve for years or since they started playing were crushed. A community that only Pvped that helped build the player base and essentially made the game popular in many circles were screwed. It was the biggest mistake they ever made and some of that hatred rolled in Archeage. When Archeage crumbled it was like a nuclear bomb going off. There's a whole lot of reasons many players could care less about Trion making a game. People are just jaded with the company and really hurt. This goes deep down the rabbit whole for some people, and yes many wish they took the blue pill.
Yep, between this and their moronic decisions with AA this company deserve not one more dime. Name me one more MMO that did some crap like they did to pvp players in Rift. I hope every one of them ragequit and I hope Trion felt the pain.
Originally posted by ceratop001 You guys have to realize Trion completely abandoned an entire Rift pvp community when they changed the gear to pve. Players spent a massive amount of time earning their PvP gear and grinding their proverbial butts off. Think about it logically. An entire community was crushed and neglected when they said one day, "Oh by the way that gear you spent months (some a year) earning is worthless. Now you have to Pve to get the best gear. to enjoy PvP". Players that never did dungeons or pve for years or since they started playing were crushed. A community that only Pvped that helped build the player base and essentially made the game popular in many circles were screwed. It was the biggest mistake they ever made and some of that hatred rolled in Archeage. When Archeage crumbled it was like a nuclear bomb going off. There's a whole lot of reasons many players could care less about Trion making a game. People are just jaded with the company and really hurt. This goes deep down the rabbit whole for some people, and yes many wish they took the blue pill.
Yep, between this and their moronic decisions with AA this company deserve not one more dime. Name me one more MMO that did some crap like they did to pvp players in Rift. I hope every one of them ragequit and I hope Trion felt the pain.
PvP was gong down hill for abit in rift way befor trion did anything, is not dead I'm saying, but the in balance of group like in conquest and warfront then having random people in with people that are group up + teamspeak, drive some people away from pvp, it's one thing drive me away from wow there arena system getting much up with people way over 2000 rating, but with rift I can still get some type of gear and enjoy pvp even at the if its down low trying to give raider a upper hand.
I know some want pvp gear back, that means just changing all the pvp server to pve as there be no way for somone new to even kill a top gear pvper. My gear was like that take out 5 guys befor they take you out cuz how far apart higher pvp gear was.
But right now I still enjoy the game, I did try many pvp games out there there broken, bad and in balance, but if I waited 6 years for wow to give ret paladin a dps spec, I'm sure I can wait little for trion to get there butt in line and not fix pvp thats hard to do in a short time, but make it better, befor I find some game out there to sink in overtime just going happens.
After (original!) Rift was released name Trion start to mean high quality to me, great game, bug free, complete, polished, ... After that anytime I have seen anywhere Trion name on it was from bad to worst ... Guess will buy and try, but not sure.
Originally posted by daltanious After (original!) Rift was released name Trion start to mean high quality to me, great game, bug free, complete, polished, ... After that anytime I have seen anywhere Trion name on it was from bad to worst ... Guess will buy and try, but not sure.
There is no bug free game out there, Rift had many bugs when it started, that it had left polished stop right when SL hit. We seen some of it back right when NT hit after 2 years down the line.
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Devilian does not look as good as Lost Ark. This is stupid.
We will probably never see Lost Ark.
Looking forward to: Crowfall / Lost Ark / Black Desert Mobile
the 2 images clearly the same thing, no question.
Todays Trion is not the same Trion that made Rift so many years ago. The talent left and Hartman came in to lead. Ever since then, they have spiraled downward in quality and game management. Look at what they have done since releasing Rift.
1. Alienated a lot of their Rift players with unwanted changes
2. End of Nations - That worked out well
3. Defiance - LOL, great development there!
4. Archeage - Bring in a Korean moneypit and ruin your reputation even more
5. Trove - Try and cash in on minecrafts popularity because your team lacks imagination and you dont know how to make a winning game yourself.
I dont see any product from Trion ever being on my want list. They are in emergency mode, bringing other developers games from other countries and copying what is already out there. No imagination is left there and the management sucks. I wont be surprised to see more Trion layoffs coming this December.
I just looked up Divilian Online, and I certainly hope not. It looks like a generic dungeon crawler with uninspired characters (seriously, you have: the generic big guy, the generic sexy woman, the generic loli, and the...Belmont/Alucard?).
Since when is Tuesday a direction?
Don't forget that Warface was about to be published by Trion, but Crytek decided to rather not hand it to them and instead published the game themselves.
Crytek was obviously concerned about Trion as a publisher and until today, there is no official statement on that move.
Trions new marketing campaign for this game :
"We're not in Tristram anymore"
Did they hire a few staff? Yes, after they laid off what some sources reported as 80% of the company in May of 2013 due to the failure that Defiance was of course they have since hired a few people to work on new projects. Maybe they are just hiring a few to replace the (at least) 5 people that have left in the last 5 months and that is just the few who left a rating at glassdoor.com Oh but I'll bet those people dont know the real story of Trion like you do, am I right?
Are they booming and raking in the cash and more profitable than they ever have been? I highly doubt it and unless you plan on posting an income statement showing proof, I wont be taking your word for it. Population in most of their games is down, Defiance was a money sink and Trove sure isnt going to be bringing in the big money. They got a cash infusion from Archeage from its pre-orders but that cost them a lot of reputation and that well is drying up fast.
Can't forget Crytek had a hard time playing there employees so Crytek had money trouble, Trion may just back off after they can't make up there payments. But who knows what happen behind doors, but the news don't lie about Crytek had money trouble.
http://www.polygon.com/2014/8/8/5982995/crytek-employee-pay-withheld-save-company-cevat-yerli
There better be a crusader clone in the game, was disappointed with D3 crusader.
Really? I want to play this game really bad but I can not support it if Trion's name goes on it. I refuse to. I hope someone else publishes the game.
Now this is a great post and I couldn't agree more. Please read my post wish is a few pages ahead of this but this is spot on.
Have fun waiting till 2017 then.
I lol'd...
Cant see me ever playing a Trion published game again after the clusterfuck known as AA.. I'll pass.
You should read that bunch of crap that is Defiance data then,a page completely dedicated to give visibility to the hypocrisy of the developers and community managers,all this people continues to lie at players.
I'm not surprised that Trion now would be more profitable than they ever were. Sure, Rift had a good subscriber base its first 3-6 months, but that was clearly in the making back their investment phase. But Rift's sub base grew to something just mediocre, Defiance was not the success they hoped, and EoN never made it.
Now Rift's population has been boosted by f2p and while far from impressive is at least stable, while the development for it has certainly dropped. I'm sure it makes far more profit now than it did in the latter half of 1.0. AA is obviously a gold mine. Trove, I know nothing about the payment model as the game never had any appeal to me but I'm sure its been fairly cheap to develop since initially it was just a couple devs doing a side project. I do think kano is almost definitely overblowing its positive aspects, but I bet there is some truth to Trove being more than whats on the surface (and this for once isnt just a knock on how terrible i think Trove looks on the surface)
That said, the more profitable Trion isn't a better Trion from the consumer standpoint (IMO of course). While every MMORPG company looks for profits, I think some do care about quality. I don't really think Trion gives a damn about quality anymore. They arent alone here, but its not a good thing.
We could only hope that this happens. Biggest, loudest fucking fanboi on the face of Earth.
Oh no.... Did someone just post something bad about Trion of AA. DMKano on his way to save the day. GTFO
Yep, between this and their moronic decisions with AA this company deserve not one more dime. Name me one more MMO that did some crap like they did to pvp players in Rift. I hope every one of them ragequit and I hope Trion felt the pain.
PvP was gong down hill for abit in rift way befor trion did anything, is not dead I'm saying, but the in balance of group like in conquest and warfront then having random people in with people that are group up + teamspeak, drive some people away from pvp, it's one thing drive me away from wow there arena system getting much up with people way over 2000 rating, but with rift I can still get some type of gear and enjoy pvp even at the if its down low trying to give raider a upper hand.
I know some want pvp gear back, that means just changing all the pvp server to pve as there be no way for somone new to even kill a top gear pvper. My gear was like that take out 5 guys befor they take you out cuz how far apart higher pvp gear was.
But right now I still enjoy the game, I did try many pvp games out there there broken, bad and in balance, but if I waited 6 years for wow to give ret paladin a dps spec, I'm sure I can wait little for trion to get there butt in line and not fix pvp thats hard to do in a short time, but make it better, befor I find some game out there to sink in overtime just going happens.
It takes one to know one.
There is no bug free game out there, Rift had many bugs when it started, that it had left polished stop right when SL hit. We seen some of it back right when NT hit after 2 years down the line.