First weeks sales figures (uk)

scorpex-x

Just saw the website below, it shows sales numbers of the top 20 selling retail games for the week ending June 27.

1.Batman: Arkham Knight
2.LEGO Jurassic World
3.The Elder Scrolls Online
4.Yoshi’s Woolly World
5.The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
6.Grand Theft Auto V
7.Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare
8.FIFA 15
9.Destiny
10.Final Fantasy XIV: Heavensward

Zenimax have to be happy with how many sales they seem to be racking up, HW seems to be doing "ok", not as good as many would of hoped possibly but still it's in the top 10 at least.

 

http://www.chart-track.co.uk/index.jsp?c=p/software/uk/latest/index_test.jsp&ct=110015

rpmcmurphy

I think it's worth stating that number 10 is Heavensward's entry slot. Reviews for it seem very favourable so there's every chance it'll move further up the charts. I think a sub based game hitting the top 10 slot is pretty damn good to be honest.

Panther2103

But isn't this just purchased in a store? Also just in the UK? Because I mean people are more likely to go out and buy a console game which is why ESO is so high on the list since it just had the console release. Rather than heavensward which almost every person I know bought it digitally. I actually don't think I know anyone who bought a physical copy.

SoloAnything

Everyone I know preordered heavensward months ago and 3 day early release for preorders proves that as queue to play was bigger then the regular release day.
ESO has 1 server and looks populated FFXIV has 50 and I still get queue. Im guessing eso has 1/10th of ffxiv player base maybe less and it's a buy to play not a sub game.

scorpex-x

Originally posted by rpmcmurphy

I think it's worth stating that number 10 is Heavensward's entry slot. Reviews for it seem very favourable so there's every chance it'll move further up the charts. I think a sub based game hitting the top 10 slot is pretty damn good to be honest.

 

Review scores don't really seem to mean much these days.

 

Arkham knight is selling like crazy and got very average to low scores, people seem to make their mind up about something before reviews come out.  People just seem to like to read them for fun aside from deciding on buying something or not.

scorpex-x

Originally posted by SoloAnything
Everyone I know preordered heavensward months ago and 3 day early release for preorders proves that as queue to play was bigger then the regular release day. ESO has 1 server and looks populated FFXIV has 50 and I still get queue. Im guessing eso has 1/10th of ffxiv player base maybe less and it's a buy to play not a sub game.

 

When ESO still had a subscription it had more subscribers than FFXIV by a fairly large margin, as a b2p title it will have vastly more players now.  You need to understand that ESO has a mega server system with channels, final fantasy has a single server system. so number of servers is irrelevant.

 

ESO is a far bigger mmo, being b2p just cements that.  Elder scrolls is simply a more popular franchise worldwide than Final fantasy.

SoloAnything

Originally posted by scorpex-x

Originally posted by SoloAnything
Everyone I know preordered heavensward months ago and 3 day early release for preorders proves that as queue to play was bigger then the regular release day. ESO has 1 server and looks populated FFXIV has 50 and I still get queue. Im guessing eso has 1/10th of ffxiv player base maybe less and it's a buy to play not a sub game.

 

When ESO still had a subscription it had more subscribers than FFXIV by a fairly large margin, as a b2p title it will have vastly more players now.  You need to understand that ESO has a mega server system with channels, final fantasy has a single server system. so number of servers is irrelevant.

 

ESO is a far bigger mmo, being b2p just cements that.  Elder scrolls is simply a more popular franchise worldwide than Final fantasy.

 

eso as sub failed and went buy to play or they would have shut down.
ff defines rpg every rpg player knows or play some ff at some point and is far more popular then es most fanatic rpg players I know haven't play any es.

Pratt2112

Originally posted by scorpex-x

Originally posted by SoloAnything
Everyone I know preordered heavensward months ago and 3 day early release for preorders proves that as queue to play was bigger then the regular release day. ESO has 1 server and looks populated FFXIV has 50 and I still get queue. Im guessing eso has 1/10th of ffxiv player base maybe less and it's a buy to play not a sub game.

 

When ESO still had a subscription it had more subscribers than FFXIV by a fairly large margin, as a b2p title it will have vastly more players now.  You need to understand that ESO has a mega server system with channels, final fantasy has a single server system. so number of servers is irrelevant.

 

ESO is a far bigger mmo, being b2p just cements that.  Elder scrolls is simply a more popular franchise worldwide than Final fantasy.

That list is for a single week, in a single region of the world, and doesn't indicate if it's for all sales, just retail, etc. That would be helpful to know from the start.

That said...

You're making an awful lot of broad assertions on the basis of such limited data. There's a lot of data showing the opposite.

For example... on Amazon.com, Heavensward, specifically, is in the top 20 twice. FFXIV shows up 4 times overall. ESO doesn't even make an appearance in the entire top 100. On Amazon.co.uk, HW sits at #19, while ESO sits at #33.

So that's Amazon, in two major regions.

Looking at a large entertainment chain here in the US, Best Buy, we have this...

Heavensward sits at #6 out of the top 31 Best Selling games... with ARR sitting at #22.

Meanwhile, ESO isn't even on the list at all.

So... the data in that one chart, for ESO, doesn't really give the whole picture, at all.

Besides that...

1. ESO being B2P can't be ignored. Not having a subscription attached to it makes a big difference to a lot of people who, fundamentally, just do not agree with the subscription model. It's not a 1-to-1 comparison.

2. You claim that ESO had a significantly larger playerbase than XIV even when it (ESO) was still sub. Can you provide some objective and verifiable data showing this?

3. Further, saying ESO is a much larger franchise than FF is an awful big claim, and again...I would like to see some objective and verifiable data backing that up.

As it stands, you're putting an awful lot of hyperbole and PR spin on what is a pretty limited piece of data, and it makes the intent of your post seem suspect, at best - especially given your highly negative post history about this game.

 

Katilla

I just want to chime in here. I was in ESO from beta till console.  I also pre-ordered FFARR and quit 2 months into it.  Recently even tho ESO is free for me now, I have not logged in in weeks and have actually re-subbed to FFARR and am having way more fun.  As far as heavensword goes, I personally will not be getting the expansion  until i finish the early content and hit at least 50 because there is really no point to.  I have a feeling a lot of players are doing the same.  Just figured I would say something relevant as a community member of both games, and not just post to bash and be a fanboi of either.

 

Edit: Btw when I log in to FFARR sometimes I have to sit in a que to get into my server, so it's obviously not empty by a longshot.

Katilla

Originally posted by Panther2103
But isn't this just purchased in a store? Also just in the UK? Because I mean people are more likely to go out and buy a console game which is why ESO is so high on the list since it just had the console release. Rather than heavensward which almost every person I know bought it digitally. I actually don't think I know anyone who bought a physical copy.

You DO know that you can get FFARR for PS3 and PS4 right?

derek39

Originally posted by scorpex-x

Originally posted by SoloAnything
Everyone I know preordered heavensward months ago and 3 day early release for preorders proves that as queue to play was bigger then the regular release day. ESO has 1 server and looks populated FFXIV has 50 and I still get queue. Im guessing eso has 1/10th of ffxiv player base maybe less and it's a buy to play not a sub game.

 

When ESO still had a subscription it had more subscribers than FFXIV by a fairly large margin, as a b2p title it will have vastly more players now.  You need to understand that ESO has a mega server system with channels, final fantasy has a single server system. so number of servers is irrelevant.

 

ESO is a far bigger mmo, being b2p just cements that.  Elder scrolls is simply a more popular franchise worldwide than Final fantasy.

.....No it's not. I almost fell out of my chair when I read that.

ElRenmazuo

Originally posted by scorpex-x

 

ESO is a far bigger mmo, being b2p just cements that.  Elder scrolls is simply a more popular franchise worldwide than Final fantasy.

No Final Fantasy is more popular

scorpex-x

Originally posted by derek39

Originally posted by scorpex-x

Originally posted by SoloAnything
Everyone I know preordered heavensward months ago and 3 day early release for preorders proves that as queue to play was bigger then the regular release day. ESO has 1 server and looks populated FFXIV has 50 and I still get queue. Im guessing eso has 1/10th of ffxiv player base maybe less and it's a buy to play not a sub game.

 

When ESO still had a subscription it had more subscribers than FFXIV by a fairly large margin, as a b2p title it will have vastly more players now.  You need to understand that ESO has a mega server system with channels, final fantasy has a single server system. so number of servers is irrelevant.

 

ESO is a far bigger mmo, being b2p just cements that.  Elder scrolls is simply a more popular franchise worldwide than Final fantasy.

.....No it's not. I almost fell out of my chair when I read that.

 

Get ready to fall out out of your chair again, fall down the stairs and fly out the window then.

 

The peak of subscribers FFXIV has ever, was 650k.  It has NEVER had sub numbers higher than that.

ESO had well over 770k subscribers.

 

ESO went b2p because those numbers were not good enough to sustain it, Square also has this problem but they don't approve of f2p.  As shown by the currently incredibly low subscriber numbers for FFXI (to the point they are stopping all content additions) yet it retains and will retain a subscription.

Hyanmen

Originally posted by scorpex-x

Get ready to fall out out of your chair again, fall down the stairs and fly out the window then.

The peak of subscribers FFXIV has ever, was 650k.  It has NEVER had sub numbers higher than that.

ESO had well over 770k subscribers.

That's all fine and dandy, but you still need to make up some logic as to why the Chinese don't count. "Only sub numbers count because arbitrary reasons" or something else? Consider me intrigued.

Dr_Shivinski

Best Selling Video Game Franchises

Final Fantasy sales - 110 million

The Elder Scrolls sales - 17 million

You wanna try that again bud?

I'm not much of a Final Fantasy fan, but misinformation is the worst. 

A. Final Fantasy is a VASTLY more popular franchise than The Elder Scrolls, and that's fine. Not my cup of tea beyond FFXIV, but nothing to be upset about.

B. No one actually knows the subscription numbers for FFXIV, they have never released that information. The closes we have is something along the lines of 4.5 million accounts created, and the general consensus is that alot of those are gil-sellers, with the actual active user count at ~1 million. 

That is still just a guess from the community until Square actually releases the numbers.

Either way my main point here is that OP is hilariously wrong about the franchise popularity which is clearly displayed by the sales figures. Hell even my 60 year old parents know what Final Fantasy is. They thought Skyrim was a rimjob on a plane.

Hyanmen

Originally posted by Dr_Shivinski

B. No one actually knows the subscription numbers for FFXIV, they have never released that information. The closes we have is something along the lines of 4.5 million accounts created, and the general consensus is that alot of those are gil-sellers, with the actual active user count at ~1 million.

The producer has clearly said that gil sellers (outside hacked players) are not counted in that figure, so the general consensus is wrong.

Also the current figure is at 5 million as per this news: http://www.gamerevolution.com/news/final-fantasy-xiv-has-had-5-million-subscribers-is-second-most-popular-subscriptionbased-mmo-33713

Dr_Shivinski

Originally posted by Hyanmen

Originally posted by Dr_Shivinski

B. No one actually knows the subscription numbers for FFXIV, they have never released that information. The closes we have is something along the lines of 4.5 million accounts created, and the general consensus is that alot of those are gil-sellers, with the actual active user count at ~1 million.

The producer has clearly said that gil sellers (outside hacked players) are not counted in that figure, so the general consensus is wrong.

Also the current figure is at 5 million as per this news: http://www.gamerevolution.com/news/final-fantasy-xiv-has-had-5-million-subscribers-is-second-most-popular-subscriptionbased-mmo-33713

Oh wow this was just put up yesterday. Thanks for the link!

So 5 million people have subscribed at one point or another, and these figures are said to not include trial accounts for padding.

"Estimates place FFXIV at around 800,000 to 1.2 million subscribers...". Pretty fantastic numbers in my opinion.

mgilbrtsn

Originally posted by Dr_Shivinski

Best Selling Video Game Franchises

Final Fantasy sales - 110 million

The Elder Scrolls sales - 17 million

You wanna try that again bud?

I'm not much of a Final Fantasy fan, but misinformation is the worst. 

A. Final Fantasy is a VASTLY more popular franchise than The Elder Scrolls, and that's fine. Not my cup of tea beyond FFXIV, but nothing to be upset about.

B. No one actually knows the subscription numbers for FFXIV, they have never released that information. The closes we have is something along the lines of 4.5 million accounts created, and the general consensus is that alot of those are gil-sellers, with the actual active user count at ~1 million. 

That is still just a guess from the community until Square actually releases the numbers.

Either way my main point here is that OP is hilariously wrong about the franchise popularity which is clearly displayed by the sales figures. Hell even my 60 year old parents know what Final Fantasy is. They thought Skyrim was a rimjob on a plane.

This is more about ARR and ESO and less about the franchises if we're going by the chart in the OP's opening.  The numbers on the chart only reflect that.  It's hard to say what it actually means in a larger sense.  Some of those games are likely more prone to store purchasing than internet purchasing (Particularly the kids games).  For instance, Yoshi's game is only console atm, so it's sale wouldn't be split between internet and console.

 

Pratt2112

Originally posted by scorpex-x

.....No it's not. I almost fell out of my chair when I read that.

 

Get ready to fall out out of your chair again, fall down the stairs and fly out the window then.

 I doubt anyone has any need to fear that happening.

The peak of subscribers FFXIV has ever, was 650k.  It has NEVER had sub numbers higher than that.

ESO had well over 770k subscribers.

Citations needed for both.

All I'm seeing is you throwing out numbers and conjecture asserted as fact. I see nothing to back it up.

Otherwise, that which is asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence.

ESO went b2p because those numbers were not good enough to sustain it, Square also has this problem but they don't approve of f2p.

Wrong and wrong.

1. FFXIV has been exceeding SE's expectations since ARR's launch, and has been performing excellently for them. HW continues to reap high praise and accolades across the board.

2. What he has said is that the subscription model is the most ideal for FFXIV as of right now, and there are a number of reasons as to why they feel that way, all of which have been discussed in myriad articles and interviews, for over 2  years now.

Example 1 

Example 2

Relevant Quote: We’re not fixated with a subscription model for A Realm Reborn, but I do feel that players can be assured that their game is stable in this way. To get as many people in the world to play the game, having it available for free is an effective method. We’d need to gauge the response and the needs of the market but we could consider free-to-play.

Example 3

Relevant Quote: “Really, you can just change your choices depending on the games. If demands change, you can also just change your choice. Rather than having a backward way of thinking like ‘I’m going to change it because we’re not making profit,’ go with a more positive one like, ‘I’m going to change it to increase the number of players.’ If there’s a misconception that I’m just persisting in subscriptions, then it’s wrong.”

That's just 3 examples of him discussing F2P,  and their reasons for going with P2P... and there are many more.

Take the time to educate yourself on these matters before coming here and spewing bullshit.

  As shown by the currently incredibly low subscriber numbers for FFXI (to the point they are stopping all content additions) yet it retains and will retain a subscription.

... You're kidding me, right?

Are you so desperate to trash FFXIV and SE that you are going to bring FFXI into it as well?

FFXI is a THIRTEEN YEAR OLD GAME. It has been highly successful for SE, and was their most profitable title for a long time. Many devs would love to see their MMOs do as well as FFXI has, for as long as it has.

It still has a large and dedicated playerbase.

Yes, they have decided that after 13 successful years, they are going to conclude FFXI's storyline on a high note, and more importantly, on their terms, in a way they feel is fitting for it. After that, it will be maintained over time, with over 10 years of content for people to play through. 

Of course, they are also moving the game to a new platform, as well as creating a spin-off game. So, the FFXI universe is going to live on.

Seriously, Scorp.... WTF is wrong with you?

 

 

Pratt2112

Originally posted by mgilbrtsn

 

This is more about ARR and ESO and less about the franchises if we're going by the chart in the OP's opening.  The numbers on the chart only reflect that.  It's hard to say what it actually means in a larger sense.  Some of those games are likely more prone to store purchasing than internet purchasing (Particularly the kids games).  For instance, Yoshi's game is only console atm, so it's sale wouldn't be split between internet and console.

FFXIV has been on PC since 1.0's launch, and didn't come to consoles until after ARR's re-launch. It has never been only console.

Also, Scorp made the statement:

Originally posted by scorpex-x
...

Elder scrolls is simply a more popular franchise worldwide than Final fantasy.

Direct quote. His words.

He reiterated the same statement in a later post.

He's specifically comparing the popularity of each franchise (ie. all things FF compared to all things ES), not just one game in each franchise. And in that, he's full of shit.

 

Gretelda

sales are not MMOs number 1 priorities. acceptable stable population is their first concern. as long as they can at least maintain what they have they are fine. otherwise SWTOR wouldn't add f2p option (which is a trap but still it works to some extent. better than WoW's "play free now"  bs although with their new token system that can actually become true i guess)

Korzeam

Originally posted by scorpex-x

Originally posted by SoloAnything
Everyone I know preordered heavensward months ago and 3 day early release for preorders proves that as queue to play was bigger then the regular release day. ESO has 1 server and looks populated FFXIV has 50 and I still get queue. Im guessing eso has 1/10th of ffxiv player base maybe less and it's a buy to play not a sub game.

 

When ESO still had a subscription it had more subscribers than FFXIV by a fairly large margin

Source ?

Absolutely no official numbers were released, but according to the players of eso themselves, there were about 200-300k subscribers at this moment.

FF14 had the double.

Stop lying please.

JonnyBigBoss

Originally posted by Hyanmen

Originally posted by Dr_Shivinski

B. No one actually knows the subscription numbers for FFXIV, they have never released that information. The closes we have is something along the lines of 4.5 million accounts created, and the general consensus is that alot of those are gil-sellers, with the actual active user count at ~1 million.

The producer has clearly said that gil sellers (outside hacked players) are not counted in that figure, so the general consensus is wrong.

Also the current figure is at 5 million as per this news: http://www.gamerevolution.com/news/final-fantasy-xiv-has-had-5-million-subscribers-is-second-most-popular-subscriptionbased-mmo-33713

Thanks for sharing this link.

I'm so happy for Final Fantasy XIV's success after all it's been through.

immodium

Originally posted by Dr_Shivinski

Best Selling Video Game Franchises

Final Fantasy sales - 110 million

The Elder Scrolls sales - 17 million

Skyrim alone sold around 18 million copies according to VG chartz.

Just goes to show how inaccurate most numbers on the internet are.

scorpex-x

Originally posted by Dr_Shivinski

Best Selling Video Game Franchises

Final Fantasy sales - 110 million

The Elder Scrolls sales - 17 million

You wanna try that again bud?

I'm not much of a Final Fantasy fan, but misinformation is the worst. 

A. Final Fantasy is a VASTLY more popular franchise than The Elder Scrolls, and that's fine. Not my cup of tea beyond FFXIV, but nothing to be upset about.

B. No one actually knows the subscription numbers for FFXIV, they have never released that information. The closes we have is something along the lines of 4.5 million accounts created, and the general consensus is that alot of those are gil-sellers, with the actual active user count at ~1 million. 

That is still just a guess from the community until Square actually releases the numbers.

Either way my main point here is that OP is hilariously wrong about the franchise popularity which is clearly displayed by the sales figures. Hell even my 60 year old parents know what Final Fantasy is. They thought Skyrim was a rimjob on a plane.

Compare Skyrim sales to FF13 sales.

 

FFXIV has NEVER gone over 650k subscribers, not even once.  It sits at around 500k subs currently since it has a high churn rate.

SoloAnything

Originally posted by scorpex-x

Originally posted by Dr_Shivinski
Best Selling Video Game Franchises Final Fantasy sales - 110 million The Elder Scrolls sales - 17 million You wanna try that again bud? I'm not much of a Final Fantasy fan, but misinformation is the worst.  A. Final Fantasy is a VASTLY more popular franchise than The Elder Scrolls, and that's fine. Not my cup of tea beyond FFXIV, but nothing to be upset about. B. No one actually knows the subscription numbers for FFXIV, they have never released that information. The closes we have is something along the lines of 4.5 million accounts created, and the general consensus is that alot of those are gil-sellers, with the actual active user count at ~1 million.  That is still just a guess from the community until Square actually releases the numbers. Either way my main point here is that OP is hilariously wrong about the franchise popularity which is clearly displayed by the sales figures. Hell even my 60 year old parents know what Final Fantasy is. They thought Skyrim was a rimjob on a plane.

Compare Skyrim sales to FF13 sales.

 

FFXIV has NEVER gone over 650k subscribers, not even once.  It sits at around 500k subs currently since it has a high churn rate.

 

Back those numbers up or stfu! Link the numbers please...only numbers square enix ever mentioned was 2 years ago on tv Comercial saying join 2 million adventurers in eorzea not 500k or 650k that you throw left and right.