Paranoid people, is all I can say. MS is giving this update free for a year to try and SAVE money. If they only have to write updates for one platform , then it saves MS money and large amounts of money.
If you do not take the upgrade now, then decide a year from now you want it, then it will cost you. Plain facts.
As far as the NVidia problem, it sounds like an NVidia problem not an MS problem. MS is trying to update to the WHQL driver and NVidia wants their latest and greatest (which may not be WHQL).
Not only save money but continue to make money.
As it stands MS has a serious Android problem; Android powers the majority of tablets - and before anyone says a tablet is not a PC try thinking of them as a bunch of components with a screen. If mass manufacturers stop selling PCs with Windows pre-installed ......
And come to think about it I wonder if there is a thread about the uber serious Android security flaw; huge problem since older versions don't have auto-update.
Wait why would laptop/desktop manufacturers stop selling them with Windows pre-installed? What's the alternative? Android??? Android doesn't work for laptops/desktops, it's like using a blackberry from 2005 lol. Are you really saying that my new laptop can come with Android pre-installed lol? Android is mostly confined to mobile phones and tablets. Ooh and that abomination chromebook.
I guess the more serious problem is that people are using mobile phones and tablets more and more and their laptop/desktop usage drops. I know quite a few people who no longer have a personal laptop. OBviously they use a laptop at work but that's a work laptop. A lot of people use their personal computers for browsing, social media, skype etc. THose people don't even need a laptop... That's a much more serious threat to Windows considering that MS only have a 3% market share in the mobile industry.
You have nearly answered your own question when you talked about people using mobile phones and tablets. Interesting aside: Windows 10 (flawless upgrade in my case) is geared up to hook your mobile phone into a monitor / mouse combo.
Back to your question though: a PC is simply a "bundle of bits"; as is a laptop, a tablet and a phone. TVs as well these days the way things are going. Saying Android won't work on laptops is the wrong way of looking at things. Take a large tablet - 12 inch maybe - hook it up to a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse and you have ..... a laptop that runs Android. Chromebooks run Android as well for that matter. And components continue to get faster / smaller / more efficient next year, the year after etc.
Business is all about (trying) to stay current / stay ahead / predicting the future. Microsoft missed the boat when it came to tablets. Why would manufacturers drop Windows? There is a cost to them to pre-install it; this is how MS currently nakes most of its money from Windows. Pre-installed copies. If Android is cheaper - and people are familiar with it, can see that it works because they use it on their phones and tablets - then moving to the cheaper "component" will be an option. Think Intel vs. AMD.
There is also the other prize that MS is hoping to snag as well: the search engine. And all the advertising dollars.
I am not sure android is replacing windows at its main game any time soon. Companies will never use something like a chrome book. How am I going to use Ms office and tons of software that runs on windows only?
manufacturers will not install android because android is not a viable alternative to windows. People are actually a lot more familiar with windows.
Besides a huge number of phone and tablet users use iOS and a lot of them will puke if they have to use android. If anything iOS is way more popular on tablets than android.
people are doing a lot more on mobile devices that's true but Microsoft can still try to penetrate that market. The biggest issue for Microsoft is developer support and lack of apps. Windows on mobile is much better than android imo but the lack of apps is a big problem. Android had the same issue where they were missing tons of apps. But due to all the cheap disposable android phones they got support as many people couldn't afford an iPhone.
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Forced update is a joke really, I want to be the judge what crap they are installing on my PC.
Unless my games will run considerably better I'm NOT going to replace my Windows 7 64bit.
(So far I don't give a damn about dx12.)
You want performance but you are not running the fastest and lightest windows? Windows 8.1 is faster and lighter than Windows 7 and Windows 10 apparently performs better than 7/
Sorry but I call BS on that.
I'm not interested in tests from external sources -
only test I accept is done by me personally.
With my settings and using my hardware enviroment
not only Windows 7 performs better but also its a lot more stable.
The performane difference is very very slight tho (few %).
Not even going to start the compatibility with 'older games' topic.
Have you tested 8.1 against 7? I don't have to make tests to notice that 8 boots up way faster.
please do go into the compatability with old games topic. Cause I haven't come across any games which don't run under windows 8.
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Originally posted by eye_m I have a system that is going to run the update to Windows 10 ASAP. I plan on making a educated decision on things, and not listen to some blowhard somewhere that may not even know his ass from a hole in the ground. If it doesn't work, I'll format and reinstall.
I have been beta testing it since somewhere late 2014. Its got its bugs and quirks. If you want a smooth OS I would keep using what you got for a few more months. Things have gotten a lot more stable but there are things that still tick me off lol. Over all, its now benchmarking faster then windows 8.1, that till now was the fastest OS MS made. So there is that. Some software does not work here and there but I would say its less then 5% of what I have tried to install was not supported. If you dont mind a few bugs its worth it now, if not I would wait 2-3 months.
you missed my point. If it doesn't work as I'd hope, it's just a format to get back to previous config. No matter what the case is, I will have at least one computer running Windows 10 as soon as possible and it will continue to run it even if it's the crappiest OS for the PC ever made.
All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.
I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.
So far I am seriously impressed with Windows 10. It runs extremely fast, menus which sometimes had delays in older versions of Windows load completely instantly. They have built in some really cool animations and transitions. The overall design is much better and more pleasing to the eye. Their new browser seems to be way faster than chrome or firefox.
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Originally posted by fivoroth So far I am seriously impressed with Windows 10. It runs extremely fast, menus which sometimes had delays in older versions of Windows load completely instantly. They have built in some really cool animations and transitions. The overall design is much better and more pleasing to the eye. Their new browser seems to be way faster than chrome or firefox.
Same, it's a great OS.
Edge just needs add on support, which will come in the fall, so it gets an ad blocker.
Originally posted by fivoroth Originally posted by DraftbeerOriginally posted by fivorothOriginally posted by DraftbeerSecurity can go to hell, I want performance.Forced update is a joke really, I want to be the judge what crap they are installing on my PC.Unless my games will run considerably better I'm NOT going to replace my Windows 7 64bit.(So far I don't give a damn about dx12.)
You want performance but you are not running the fastest and lightest windows? Windows 8.1 is faster and lighter than Windows 7 and Windows 10 apparently performs better than 7/Sorry but I call BS on that.I'm not interested in tests from external sources -only test I accept is done by me personally.With my settings and using my hardware enviromentnot only Windows 7 performs better but also its a lot more stable.The performane difference is very very slight tho (few %).Not even going to start the compatibility with 'older games' topic.Have you tested 8.1 against 7? I don't have to make tests to notice that 8 boots up way faster.
please do go into the compatability with old games topic. Cause I haven't come across any games which don't run under windows 8.
With a response like "I only trust what I see personally" - there's not a lot you can argue against that.
Some amount of skepticism is healthy. But when someone sticks their head entirely in the sand, the only thing you can do is wait for them to come up for air.
Originally posted by DraftbeerSecurity can go to hell, I want performance.Forced update is a joke really, I want to be the judge what crap they are installing on my PC.Unless my games will run considerably better I'm NOT going to replace my Windows 7 64bit.(So far I don't give a damn about dx12.)
You want performance but you are not running the fastest and lightest windows? Windows 8.1 is faster and lighter than Windows 7 and Windows 10 apparently performs better than 7/
Sorry but I call BS on that.I'm not interested in tests from external sources -only test I accept is done by me personally.With my settings and using my hardware enviromentnot only Windows 7 performs better but also its a lot more stable.The performane difference is very very slight tho (few %).Not even going to start the compatibility with 'older games' topic.
Have you tested 8.1 against 7? I don't have to make tests to notice that 8 boots up way faster.
please do go into the compatability with old games topic. Cause I haven't come across any games which don't run under windows 8.
With a response like "I only trust what I see personally" - there's not a lot you can argue against that.
Some amount of skepticism is healthy. But when someone sticks their head entirely in the sand, the only thing you can do is wait for them to come up for air.
Well, benchmarks and tests also support the argument that windows 8 is faster than 7. Look it up online.
Besides it's not like all these windows 7 fanboys are objective or anything. I am sure most of them probably have never tried windows 8 or had it for like 5 minutes. Healthy scepticism? I am sure you windows 7 guys just can't accept that you may be wrong and that windows 8 is not as horrible as you make it out to be.
Ultimately these people who are stuck on windows 7 are probably the same people who got stuck on xp or something for ages. It's okay. Not everyone likes to try out new things. Some people prefer the old and predictable!
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I have nothing particularly private on my computer anyway. Except my porn preferences, of course. Does anyone know if the CIA and NSA see those, will they skew the internet for me so I get more porn like the kind I like and less of the kind I don't like (spitting, anal, glistening black dongs)? Thank you.
Well no go for me then with constant spying in windows 10 it's worse then i thought.
Damn no DX12:(
You obviously have no problem using Google services on your Android smart phones, installing games, facebook app, instagram, etc... they all collect your precious data
I'm fine with auto-updates. The real issue is that unlike everyone else, Microsoft can't seem to master the art of seamless updates that don't require a restart. I have Windows on my gaming machine, Mac OS X on one laptop, and Linux Mint on a second laptop, and the Windows machine is the only one that requires a restarts several times per month.
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I am not sure android is replacing windows at its main game any time soon. Companies will never use something like a chrome book. How am I going to use Ms office and tons of software that runs on windows only?
manufacturers will not install android because android is not a viable alternative to windows. People are actually a lot more familiar with windows.
Besides a huge number of phone and tablet users use iOS and a lot of them will puke if they have to use android. If anything iOS is way more popular on tablets than android.
people are doing a lot more on mobile devices that's true but Microsoft can still try to penetrate that market. The biggest issue for Microsoft is developer support and lack of apps. Windows on mobile is much better than android imo but the lack of apps is a big problem. Android had the same issue where they were missing tons of apps. But due to all the cheap disposable android phones they got support as many people couldn't afford an iPhone.
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Have you tested 8.1 against 7? I don't have to make tests to notice that 8 boots up way faster.
please do go into the compatability with old games topic. Cause I haven't come across any games which don't run under windows 8.
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you missed my point. If it doesn't work as I'd hope, it's just a format to get back to previous config. No matter what the case is, I will have at least one computer running Windows 10 as soon as possible and it will continue to run it even if it's the crappiest OS for the PC ever made.
All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.
I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.
I don't hate much, but I hate Apple© with a passion. If Steve Jobs was alive, I would punch him in the face.
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Same, it's a great OS.
Edge just needs add on support, which will come in the fall, so it gets an ad blocker.
Sorry but I call BS on that. I'm not interested in tests from external sources - only test I accept is done by me personally. With my settings and using my hardware enviroment not only Windows 7 performs better but also its a lot more stable. The performane difference is very very slight tho (few %). Not even going to start the compatibility with 'older games' topic.
Have you tested 8.1 against 7? I don't have to make tests to notice that 8 boots up way faster.
please do go into the compatability with old games topic. Cause I haven't come across any games which don't run under windows 8.
With a response like "I only trust what I see personally" - there's not a lot you can argue against that.
Some amount of skepticism is healthy. But when someone sticks their head entirely in the sand, the only thing you can do is wait for them to come up for air.
They having a lot of issues some people even have non functional machines.
LOL and love this one... microsoft is telling people if they have issues updating to just do a clean install.
Seeya in 6 mos windows 10... maybe
Well, benchmarks and tests also support the argument that windows 8 is faster than 7. Look it up online.
Besides it's not like all these windows 7 fanboys are objective or anything. I am sure most of them probably have never tried windows 8 or had it for like 5 minutes. Healthy scepticism? I am sure you windows 7 guys just can't accept that you may be wrong and that windows 8 is not as horrible as you make it out to be.
Ultimately these people who are stuck on windows 7 are probably the same people who got stuck on xp or something for ages. It's okay. Not everyone likes to try out new things. Some people prefer the old and predictable!
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You obviously have no problem using Google services on your Android smart phones, installing games, facebook app, instagram, etc... they all collect your precious data
Just notice someone is spying on you now? lol