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Star Citizen Employees Speak Out on Project Woes!

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  • whisperwyndwhisperwynd Member UncommonPosts: 1,668
    Damn, lol
     There's so much conjecture, prognostication, and obfuscation going on that if it all had substance it'd feel like walking through the mist in the Silent Hill.

    Can't stop reading   ;)
  • JacxolopeJacxolope Member UncommonPosts: 1,140
    edited October 2015
    Distopia said:
    Jacxolope said:
    Distopia said:
    Jacxolope said:
    Distopia said:

    What do you mean he has little to gain? A chief competitor to his products will be gone, and likely out of business for good if any of this is true. His name will be every where, in turn his image some what heightened. Little to gain?...
    Y'know what- I disagree (for reasons I wont get into) but as soon as tomorrow rolls on I'm going to buy his game and print the receipt here . Y'know why? Because you reminded me that I havnt done that yet.

    -He deserves it and itll be a much better "investment/donation/fire place throw" of my money than a $900 SC ship .

    So yeah- heres hoping he sells some games (that exist)
    ALl I can say is have fun with that, as far as games go they're about as polished as dark and light.
    Then he can consider it a tip for having the balls to stand up and take the lead when nobody would touch this.
    With all due respect...What balls did it take to talk to some folks and write a blog? He himself admits that's the extent of his contribution.
    Without taking this too off topic-

    And not to make this about DS-

    But...Without DS  all you would see right now in the media would be pimping for this newest ship. the websites would be censoring "negative comments" and this would go on and on and on to incalculable millions more taken from our community. He staked his reputation on what he uncovered and/or confirmed and investigated.

    He had the balls say "look everyone- Theres a problem and heres why"
    He had the intellect to write it out clearly and consciously
    He had the celebrity to make people look-
    Hes enough of an internet warlord to deal with hate campaign against him (a highly funded one)
    He put his money where his mouth is
    hes wordy like I am =P
    And I kinda like the guy for all these reasons. Wish we had more people willing to put things on the ;line to get to the truth.

  • BrenicsBrenics Member RarePosts: 1,939
    Distopia said:
    Jacxolope said:
    Distopia said:
    Jacxolope said:
    Distopia said:

    What do you mean he has little to gain? A chief competitor to his products will be gone, and likely out of business for good if any of this is true. His name will be every where, in turn his image some what heightened. Little to gain?...
    Y'know what- I disagree (for reasons I wont get into) but as soon as tomorrow rolls on I'm going to buy his game and print the receipt here . Y'know why? Because you reminded me that I havnt done that yet.

    -He deserves it and itll be a much better "investment/donation/fire place throw" of my money than a $900 SC ship .

    So yeah- heres hoping he sells some games (that exist)
    ALl I can say is have fun with that, as far as games go they're about as polished as dark and light.
    Then he can consider it a tip for having the balls to stand up and take the lead when nobody would touch this.
    With all due respect...What balls did it take to talk to some folks and write a blog? He himself admits that's the extent of his contribution.
    Well putting up with people like you with how you treat him for getting the info out there that CR is a crook not the messiah like you act he is. It took balls to do it, unlike people like you who hide behind a fake nick.
    I'm not perfect but I'm always myself!

    Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event


    4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.

    http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/

    Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!

  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    Brenics said:

    Well putting up with people like you with how you treat him for getting the info out there that CR is a crook not the messiah like you act he is. It took balls to do it, unlike people like you who hide behind a fake nick.
    How did I treat him? lol... I also think CR's games blow TBH what type of saint would I hold him as? Again LOL. Nice assumptions you have there... You're just ready to fight it seems, with anyone...

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson


  • LacedOpiumLacedOpium Member EpicPosts: 2,327
    Jacxolope said:
    Distopia said:
    Jacxolope said:
    Distopia said:
    Jacxolope said:
    Distopia said:

    What do you mean he has little to gain? A chief competitor to his products will be gone, and likely out of business for good if any of this is true. His name will be every where, in turn his image some what heightened. Little to gain?...
    Y'know what- I disagree (for reasons I wont get into) but as soon as tomorrow rolls on I'm going to buy his game and print the receipt here . Y'know why? Because you reminded me that I havnt done that yet.

    -He deserves it and itll be a much better "investment/donation/fire place throw" of my money than a $900 SC ship .

    So yeah- heres hoping he sells some games (that exist)
    ALl I can say is have fun with that, as far as games go they're about as polished as dark and light.
    Then he can consider it a tip for having the balls to stand up and take the lead when nobody would touch this.
    With all due respect...What balls did it take to talk to some folks and write a blog? He himself admits that's the extent of his contribution.
    Without taking this too off topic-

    And not to make this about DS-

    But...Without DS  all you would see right now in the media would be pimping for this newest ship. the websites would be censoring "negative comments" and this would go on and on and on to incalculable millions taken from our community. He staked his reputation on what he uncovered and/or confirmed and investigated.

    He had the balls say "look everyone- Theres a problem and heres why"
    He had the celebrity to make people look-
    Hes enough of an internet warlord to deal with hate campaign against him (a highly funded one)
    He put his money where his mouth is
    And I kinda like the guy for all these reasons. Wish we had more people willing to put things on the ;line to get to the truth.


    Anyone trying to downplay Smart's contribution to the whistle-blowing of this scandal is being blatantly disingenuous.  Proof of his contribution is embedded throughout the entirety of Chris Roberts' response to Lizzy's article.  That response should have been titled "I, Chris Roberts, hate you, Derek Smart" for all of the hate it spewed toward Smart, and is proof positive that Smart deserve every bit of credit for the outing of this scandal. 
  • user547user547 Member UncommonPosts: 150
    Was it confirmed that Derek Smart published Chris Robert's address and told people to go confront him?  This could be considered terroristic threatening.

    And the whole "I usually don't do this, but Chris Robert's deserves it" shtick is textbook sociopathy, once again.  Belittling the target, making it acceptable to attack, isolating and encouraging others to attack.  If there was any doubt that this is a disturbed individual, it's gone now.

    You crossed a line and you don't know it.  You have no respect for other's boundaries.  You think you are entitled to everything other people have.

    Anyone who supports this disturbed individual is a fool, or a sockpuppet.
  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    user547 said:


    Anyone who supports this disturbed individual is a fool, or a sockpuppet.
    They're willing to side with anyone who agrees with their stance, and fight anyone who doesn't, that much is obvious.

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson


  • LacedOpiumLacedOpium Member EpicPosts: 2,327
    edited October 2015
    user547 said:
    Was it confirmed that Derek Smart published Chris Robert's address and told people to go confront him?  This could be considered terroristic threatening.

    And the whole "I usually don't do this, but Chris Robert's deserves it" shtick is textbook sociopathy, once again.  Belittling the target, making it acceptable to attack, isolating and encouraging others to attack.  If there was any doubt that this is a disturbed individual, it's gone now.

    You crossed a line and you don't know it.  You have no respect for other's boundaries.  You think you are entitled to everything other people have.

    Anyone who supports this disturbed individual is a fool, or a sockpuppet.

    Except Smart isn't the one ripping nearly one million people out of 100 MILLION dollars.  If anything bad comes to Chris Roberts due to this incident, he has only himself to blame for it.  Blaming others for something that Roberts ultimately brought unto himself due to his own nefarious actions and behavior is the epitome of ignorance by those claiming his innocence.  Chris Roberts has only himself to blame for the the outcome of this scandal and no one else.

  • JacxolopeJacxolope Member UncommonPosts: 1,140
    Jacxolope said:
    Distopia said:
    Jacxolope said:
    Distopia said:
    Jacxolope said:
    Distopia said:

    What do you mean he has little to gain? A chief competitor to his products will be gone, and likely out of business for good if any of this is true. His name will be every where, in turn his image some what heightened. Little to gain?...
    Y'know what- I disagree (for reasons I wont get into) but as soon as tomorrow rolls on I'm going to buy his game and print the receipt here . Y'know why? Because you reminded me that I havnt done that yet.

    -He deserves it and itll be a much better "investment/donation/fire place throw" of my money than a $900 SC ship .

    So yeah- heres hoping he sells some games (that exist)
    ALl I can say is have fun with that, as far as games go they're about as polished as dark and light.
    Then he can consider it a tip for having the balls to stand up and take the lead when nobody would touch this.
    With all due respect...What balls did it take to talk to some folks and write a blog? He himself admits that's the extent of his contribution.
    Without taking this too off topic-

    And not to make this about DS-

    But...Without DS  all you would see right now in the media would be pimping for this newest ship. the websites would be censoring "negative comments" and this would go on and on and on to incalculable millions taken from our community. He staked his reputation on what he uncovered and/or confirmed and investigated.

    He had the balls say "look everyone- Theres a problem and heres why"
    He had the celebrity to make people look-
    Hes enough of an internet warlord to deal with hate campaign against him (a highly funded one)
    He put his money where his mouth is
    And I kinda like the guy for all these reasons. Wish we had more people willing to put things on the ;line to get to the truth.


    Anyone trying to downplay Smart's contribution to the whistle-blowing of this scandal is being blatantly disingenuous.  Proof of his contribution is embedded throughout the entirety of Chris Roberts' response to Lizzy's article.  That response should have been titled "I, Chris Roberts, hate you, Derek Smart" for all of the hate it spewed toward Smart, and is proof positive that Smart deserve every bit of credit for the outing of this scandal. 
    Right on bro
  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    user547 said:
    Was it confirmed that Derek Smart published Chris Robert's address and told people to go confront him?  This could be considered terroristic threatening.

    And the whole "I usually don't do this, but Chris Robert's deserves it" shtick is textbook sociopathy, once again.  Belittling the target, making it acceptable to attack, isolating and encouraging others to attack.  If there was any doubt that this is a disturbed individual, it's gone now.

    You crossed a line and you don't know it.  You have no respect for other's boundaries.  You think you are entitled to everything other people have.

    Anyone who supports this disturbed individual is a fool, or a sockpuppet.

    Except he isn't the one ripping nearly one million people out of 100 MILLION dollars, is he?  If anything bad comes to Chris Roberts due to this incident, Chris Roberts has only himself to blame.  Blaming others for something that Roberts ultimately brought unto himself due to his own nefarious actions and behavior is the epitome of ignorance by those claiming his innocence.  Chris Roberts has only himself to blame for this the outcome of this scandal and no one else.
    Who has claimed his innocence? I've seen nothing of the sort here, only the opposite, folks defining his guilt...

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson


  • BrenicsBrenics Member RarePosts: 1,939
    Lot of sick individuals out there who can't see the truth if it hit them in the face. Sometimes I think they are either Roberts or someone connected closely to him. After all if Roberts could scam people out of so much money he has to be pretty sick. Even when caught red-handed he still refuses to acknowledge it or see it.
    I'm not perfect but I'm always myself!

    Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event


    4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.

    http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/

    Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!

  • LacedOpiumLacedOpium Member EpicPosts: 2,327
    Jacxolope said:
    Distopia said:
    Jacxolope said:
    Distopia said:
    Jacxolope said:
    Distopia said:

    What do you mean he has little to gain? A chief competitor to his products will be gone, and likely out of business for good if any of this is true. His name will be every where, in turn his image some what heightened. Little to gain?...
    Y'know what- I disagree (for reasons I wont get into) but as soon as tomorrow rolls on I'm going to buy his game and print the receipt here . Y'know why? Because you reminded me that I havnt done that yet.

    -He deserves it and itll be a much better "investment/donation/fire place throw" of my money than a $900 SC ship .

    So yeah- heres hoping he sells some games (that exist)
    ALl I can say is have fun with that, as far as games go they're about as polished as dark and light.
    Then he can consider it a tip for having the balls to stand up and take the lead when nobody would touch this.
    With all due respect...What balls did it take to talk to some folks and write a blog? He himself admits that's the extent of his contribution.
    Without taking this too off topic-

    And not to make this about DS-

    But...Without DS  all you would see right now in the media would be pimping for this newest ship. the websites would be censoring "negative comments" and this would go on and on and on to incalculable millions taken from our community. He staked his reputation on what he uncovered and/or confirmed and investigated.

    He had the balls say "look everyone- Theres a problem and heres why"
    He had the celebrity to make people look-
    Hes enough of an internet warlord to deal with hate campaign against him (a highly funded one)
    He put his money where his mouth is
    And I kinda like the guy for all these reasons. Wish we had more people willing to put things on the ;line to get to the truth.


    Anyone trying to downplay Smart's contribution to the whistle-blowing of this scandal is being blatantly disingenuous.  Proof of his contribution is embedded throughout the entirety of Chris Roberts' response to Lizzy's article.  That response should have been titled "I, Chris Roberts, hate you, Derek Smart" for all of the hate it spewed toward Smart, and is proof positive that Smart deserve every bit of credit for the outing of this scandal. 
    What scandal?  Are you talking about the allegations?  It's not a scandal until it's proven.  Until then, Derek Smart deserves every bit of credit for being a dick, nothing more.

    Oh so we can wait until the scandal is proven before holding SC responsible for said allegations, but we can't give Smart the same benefit of the doubt.  His day of vindication will just have to wait.  He is a dick right now.  Your hatred for Smart is scary.  Did he kill your cat?
  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    Brenics said:
    Lot of sick individuals out there who can't see the truth if it hit them in the face. Sometimes I think they are either Roberts or someone connected closely to him. After all if Roberts could scam people out of so much money he has to be pretty sick. Even when caught red-handed he still refuses to acknowledge it or see it.
    Oh come on, that's where you wanna go, what's next? are we supposed to call you Derek Smart?

    Oh noes people aren't sold on my jump to conclusions, I must attack them...

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson


  • LacedOpiumLacedOpium Member EpicPosts: 2,327
    Brenics said:
    Lot of sick individuals out there who can't see the truth if it hit them in the face. Sometimes I think they are either Roberts or someone connected closely to him. After all if Roberts could scam people out of so much money he has to be pretty sick. Even when caught red-handed he still refuses to acknowledge it or see it.
    Who has been caught red-handed?

    Wouldn't it make more sense to actually wait for the game to fail then to just assume it will based on limited information?  Unless you can predict the future, you may not be right in your assumptions.  If it fails, all the critics will be vindicated.  Whether or not you like Chris Roberts, you have to admit that he's right about that much.

    Well it is certainly your prerogative as to the manner in which you personally want to handle the matter, but wouldn't it be a bit fairer that if your intention was truly one of waiting to pass judgment until the allegations are resolved, that you would hold off on passing judgment on both Roberts and Smart, instead of just Roberts.  I don't know, maybe I'm wrong.  Call me crazy.  
  • WarleyWarley Member UncommonPosts: 508
    edited October 2015
    Derek Smart,

    "Who wishes to fight must count the cost." 

    There is no doubt in the eyes of you and your followers that I'm a Star Citizen fanboy; that you have won a victorious battle against the religion (as you and your followers seem to call them) known as Star Citizen fans; and the imminent downfall of Cloud Imperium Games is near. You're gravely mistaken and a fanboy or backer I am not.

    What neither you nor the people you've dragged into this know -- who's careers you've turned into impending collateral damage -- is who some of the people are that have anonymously tried to reason with your witch hunters.

    “If ignorant both of your enemy and yourself, you are certain to be in peril.”

    I'm not offering a prediction here nor am I providing speculation -- I'm providing you with a reality check. There will be serious information that will be dropping soon from well known people that not even blind witch hunters can ignore. If you think the last two days were a glorious victory I provide you with this:

    "Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win." - Sun Tsu

    Never blindly charge into war with flimsy speculations then do what is considered the most atrocious act: attacking someone's family. You crossed the line when you targeted another game developer's family in your disgusting flame war. We in the industry, with many more joining that had remained neutral, would have never gotten involved if this wasn't your indefensible tactic. You asked for this Internet flame war.

    I leave you with this and everyone else that has chosen to follow this Internet Warlord:

    Warlords are busy burning things down while those seeking to advance humanity are busy building dreams.

    - Warley

  • BrenicsBrenics Member RarePosts: 1,939
    Brenics said:
    Lot of sick individuals out there who can't see the truth if it hit them in the face. Sometimes I think they are either Roberts or someone connected closely to him. After all if Roberts could scam people out of so much money he has to be pretty sick. Even when caught red-handed he still refuses to acknowledge it or see it.
    Who has been caught red-handed?

    Wouldn't it make more sense to actually wait for the game to fail then to just assume it will based on limited information?  Unless you can predict the future, you may not be right in your assumptions.  If it fails, all the critics will be vindicated.  Whether or not you like Chris Roberts, you have to admit that he's right about that much.

    You really should listen to this and hear how he breaks down CR's letter. Explains it so even you could get it.


    I'm not perfect but I'm always myself!

    Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event


    4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.

    http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/

    Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!

  • LacedOpiumLacedOpium Member EpicPosts: 2,327
    edited October 2015
    Brenics said:
    Lot of sick individuals out there who can't see the truth if it hit them in the face. Sometimes I think they are either Roberts or someone connected closely to him. After all if Roberts could scam people out of so much money he has to be pretty sick. Even when caught red-handed he still refuses to acknowledge it or see it.
    Who has been caught red-handed?

    Wouldn't it make more sense to actually wait for the game to fail then to just assume it will based on limited information?  Unless you can predict the future, you may not be right in your assumptions.  If it fails, all the critics will be vindicated.  Whether or not you like Chris Roberts, you have to admit that he's right about that much.

    Well it is certainly your prerogative as to the manner in which you personally want to handle the matter, but wouldn't it be a bit fairer that if your intention was truly one of waiting to pass judgment until the allegations are resolved, that you would hold off on passing judgment on both Roberts and Smart, instead of just Roberts.  I don't know, maybe I'm wrong.  Call me crazy.  

    Okay, so the thing with that is, as I said in an earlier post, I don't need any more information to pass judgment on Derek Smart.  I have seen enough to make my judgment on what type of person he is.  If you have not then you either don't have the history or you're a hell of a lot more forgiving of his past than I am.

    As far as judging Chris Roberts, I've seen nothing yet that proves he's guilty of robbing his backers as has been suggested.  If it turns out he is, then okay, time to judge him as well.  But that hasn't happened yet.

    Do I need to say it again, or does it sink in the second time?

    I know all about Derek Smart.  I do not pass judgment for the past behavior of grown men.  I may disagree with it, but hold no animosity for it, nor carry a chip on my shoulder due to it.  Most importantly, I am able to separate a man from a message or a cause if it is a message or cause I believe in.  I don't hold grudges for a man's past history at the expense of ambushing my own best interests.  That is childish and vindictive behavior.  Now this is not to say that posters on this board are petty like that.  I am just saying that is not how I roll.

    Regarding that last little sarcastic remark, save it.  I have been nothing but cordial with you.  Don't take me there.  You won't like it.
  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    edited October 2015


    Well it is certainly your prerogative as to the manner in which you personally want to handle the matter, but wouldn't it be a bit fairer that if your intention was truly one of waiting to pass judgment until the allegations are resolved, that you would hold off on passing judgment on both Roberts and Smart, instead of just Roberts.  I don't know, maybe I'm wrong.  Call me crazy.  
    Separating the issue from SC and just focusing on Smart, he's got a rep which he earned all on his own, people judge him based on it. That's how things work. Just like if CR turns out to be guilty, he will be known for that, when it's proven beyond question. Smart's position has been proven beyond a doubt on numerous occasions. This situation doesn't change that. And it shouldn't, he's not much better when it comes to pulling one over on folks as well as handling his customers like crap.

    I'm personally glad the issue is being handled by more or less scrupulous people now TBH,  the focus is in the right place... SC. They (journalists) hopefully won't become the main story.

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson


  • LacedOpiumLacedOpium Member EpicPosts: 2,327
    Distopia said:


    Well it is certainly your prerogative as to the manner in which you personally want to handle the matter, but wouldn't it be a bit fairer that if your intention was truly one of waiting to pass judgment until the allegations are resolved, that you would hold off on passing judgment on both Roberts and Smart, instead of just Roberts.  I don't know, maybe I'm wrong.  Call me crazy.  
    Separating the issue from SC and just focusing on Smart, he's got a rep which he earned all on his own, people judge him based on it. That's how things work. Just like if CR turns out to be guilty, he will be known for that, when it's proven beyond question. Smart's position has been proven beyond a doubt on numerous occasions. This situation doesn't change that. And it shouldn't, he's not much better when it comes to pulling one over on folks as well as handling his customers like crap.

    I'm personally glad the issue is being handled by more or less scrupulous people now TBH,  the focus is in the right place... SC.

    You and yours do you, I will do me.  See my prior post for my position on this.
  • BMBenderBMBender Member UncommonPosts: 827

    And this is one of the reasons I find the tactics used to get here so unsavory. It acts as a distractor, foil, and general signal noise to what should be the issues raised.

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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Distopia said:
    Jacxolope said:
    Distopia said:

    What do you mean he has little to gain? A chief competitor to his products will be gone, and likely out of business for good if any of this is true. His name will be every where, in turn his image some what heightened. Little to gain?...
    Y'know what- I disagree (for reasons I wont get into) but as soon as tomorrow rolls on I'm going to buy his game and print the receipt here . Y'know why? Because you reminded me that I havnt done that yet.

    -He deserves it and itll be a much better "investment/donation/fire place throw" of my money than a $900 SC ship .

    So yeah- heres hoping he sells some games (that exist)
    ALl I can say is have fun with that, as far as games go they're about as polished as dark and light.
    I actually agree with you... which makes me wonder all the more about why you would say "chief competitor." As far as I'm concerned Elite Dangerous is the only direct competitor to SC.

    All DS has to gain is bragging rights and perhaps satisfaction about bringing down a scam. 

    I can't think of many serious gamers who would think Derek's games are competing with SC. Yeah they are both loosely similar in being SciFi space games but you know as well as I do that Derek's games are very rough compared to either ED or SC's tech demos.

    This isn't a pissing match about whose games are better. It's about whether SC is a dishonest scam or not.
    "Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”

    ― Umberto Eco

    “Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” 
    ― CD PROJEKT RED

  • BrenicsBrenics Member RarePosts: 1,939
    Brenics said:
    Brenics said:
    Lot of sick individuals out there who can't see the truth if it hit them in the face. Sometimes I think they are either Roberts or someone connected closely to him. After all if Roberts could scam people out of so much money he has to be pretty sick. Even when caught red-handed he still refuses to acknowledge it or see it.
    Who has been caught red-handed?

    Wouldn't it make more sense to actually wait for the game to fail then to just assume it will based on limited information?  Unless you can predict the future, you may not be right in your assumptions.  If it fails, all the critics will be vindicated.  Whether or not you like Chris Roberts, you have to admit that he's right about that much.

    You really should listen to this and hear how he breaks down CR's letter. Explains it so even you could get it.


    So, contained in this video is verifiable proof that the allegations are true?  Great!  Give me the time index of where this revelation takes place so I can skip straight to that part and we'll consider the matter settled.
    It's something called common sense, listen and learn but I have a feeling even after he explains it with Roberts own words you still won't get it. But I have hope you just might be able to say hallelujah I see the light. :-D
    I'm not perfect but I'm always myself!

    Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event


    4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.

    http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/

    Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!

  • FomaldehydeJimFomaldehydeJim Member UncommonPosts: 673
    edited October 2015
    Brenics said:
    Brenics said:
    Lot of sick individuals out there who can't see the truth if it hit them in the face. Sometimes I think they are either Roberts or someone connected closely to him. After all if Roberts could scam people out of so much money he has to be pretty sick. Even when caught red-handed he still refuses to acknowledge it or see it.
    Who has been caught red-handed?

    Wouldn't it make more sense to actually wait for the game to fail then to just assume it will based on limited information?  Unless you can predict the future, you may not be right in your assumptions.  If it fails, all the critics will be vindicated.  Whether or not you like Chris Roberts, you have to admit that he's right about that much.

    You really should listen to this and hear how he breaks down CR's letter. Explains it so even you could get it.


    So, contained in this video is verifiable proof that the allegations are true?  Great!  Give me the time index of where this revelation takes place so I can skip straight to that part and we'll consider the matter settled.
    While quite interesting, Corpsealot only states what anyone could and should have already deduced from the original article and Chris Roberts' response. There is no new information here or verification of the information we already know, and Corpsealot is quite measured in his delivery so as not to imply there is.  

    At this stage the article indicates possible serious concerns with Star Citizen and the likelihood of it realising its stated goals, unless CIG is acquired, or a new investor drops a lot of money on it. In Chris Roberts' response he singularly failed to refute some of these claims, including the allegation that there is only $8m left in the coffers. This would add some weight to this claim in particular.

    But CIG has not failed yet and the allegations have not been proven, so I am at a little of a loss as to some of the posts in the last few pages of this thread, which seem to suggest this has already happened.    
  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    Distopia said:


    Well it is certainly your prerogative as to the manner in which you personally want to handle the matter, but wouldn't it be a bit fairer that if your intention was truly one of waiting to pass judgment until the allegations are resolved, that you would hold off on passing judgment on both Roberts and Smart, instead of just Roberts.  I don't know, maybe I'm wrong.  Call me crazy.  
    Separating the issue from SC and just focusing on Smart, he's got a rep which he earned all on his own, people judge him based on it. That's how things work. Just like if CR turns out to be guilty, he will be known for that, when it's proven beyond question. Smart's position has been proven beyond a doubt on numerous occasions. This situation doesn't change that. And it shouldn't, he's not much better when it comes to pulling one over on folks as well as handling his customers like crap.

    I'm personally glad the issue is being handled by more or less scrupulous people now TBH,  the focus is in the right place... SC.

    You and yours do you, I will do me.  See my prior post for my position on this.
    that's fine, you asked for the perspective though...

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson


  • TsaboHavocTsaboHavoc Member UncommonPosts: 435
    Jacxolope said:
    Distopia said:
    Jacxolope said:


    I hope you're wrong because if it turns out you're right that means everyone is going to be listening to you gloat for who knows how long.  And your part in all of this is truly repugnant.  Hell, it's even worse than one of your games and that's saying a lot:

    http://store.steampowered.com/search/?publisher=3000AD

    Hes right.

    And has a right to do some gloating (even now)- After the shit thats been hurled his way just in the past few months because he staked everything on this with little to gain and a ton to lose.
    What do you mean he has little to gain? A chief competitor to his products will be gone, and likely out of business for good if any of this is true. His name will be every where, in turn his image some what heightened. Little to gain?...
    Y'know what- I disagree (for reasons I wont get into) but as soon as tomorrow rolls on I'm going to buy his game and print the receipt here . Y'know why? Because you reminded me that I havnt done that yet.

    -He deserves it and itll be a much better "investment/donation/fire place throw" of my money than a $900 SC ship .

    So yeah- heres hoping he sells some games (that exist)
    dont know if u are DS alt, but dude, dont do that, we cant techincally call his broken softwares "games", since they are unplayable trash. take ur money flush down the toilet and laugh knowing that is worth more than buying DS stuff.
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