Hey Erillion, since you're a backer and very few others in this thread are can you clear something up for us that was being discussed a few pages back?
When the TOS changed in February of this year to make refunds payable 18 months after expected completion date instead of the 12 months in the previous TOS (among other changes,) were all backers asked to agree to the new TOS or did this cover it?
PLEASE READ THESE TERMS OF SERVICE (“TERMS OF SERVICE”) CAREFULLY. BY CLICKING THE “ACCEPT”BUTTON AT THE END OF THESE TERMS OF SERVICE BELOW, OR BY USING THEWWW.ROBERTSSPACEINDUSTRIES.COM WEBSITE AND RELATED WEBPAGES (THE “WEBSITE”) OR ANY OF THECONTENT MADE AVAILABLE VIA THE WEBSITE OR THE GAME LAUNCHER.YOU AGREE THAT THESE TERMS OFSERVICE ARE ENFORCEABLE LIKE ANY WRITTEN CONTRACT SIGNED BY YOU.
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“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
In answer to your question. It depends on the scenario. If I were to create something new and unique and then mismanage it to the point it was no longer commercially viable under my control; then I would accept it. If not.., well either way it would hurt.
I am unclear why you are attacking me on this observation?
Not attacking you, showing you the perspective, and since when SC became commercially nonviable? Can anyone show us statistics or proof on that? Other than the "anonymous reliable sources" who were fired for incompetence? or left because they lack the passion and skill to complete their task?
It never did, this was all hypothetical. Statistics or proof of a hypothetical (but plausible and perhaps likely) situation have not been provided, even if they may become apparent in time. In terms of your last sentence I can no more confirm the accounts of these people than you can. Look, if you have some blinkered love for something, anything- I do not care what- please do not waste my time with your obsession.
It's pretty sad this has gained so much traction......Read the FACTS not some droll coming out of DS or a report released with no real source....look at the post/vids/reports and spend 5Mins on google and read....you will see who the jackass is and you will see who is just starting crap like he always does when hes bored.....if you don't know anything about DS you should really read up on his background and overall character....and the anonymous "ex-employees" can be found on Glassdoor which the site has zero overhead and anyone and I mean anyone can go write a review saying they worked there and the site never checks to see if you did.....if that counts as "speaking" with ex-employees then I need to start working in journalism sounds pretty easy to make shit up and the average joe not only thinks it's true but preaches it.....how sad more the half the people in the post can't do 5 mins of reading on the their own to find the TRUTH...
I do not own SC and don't plan to buy it until full release and have nothing to gain or lose if the game bombs or not
Funny how people are saying all these concerns are some other guys idea when people who had donated where voicing these concerns before he started shouting louder.
But over look the fact they have a lot more money than they said it would cost to make the game than before and it's already a year late.
And? It took EAWare Austin 7 years and 250 million $*(excluding marketing cost) to make SWTOR. SC is a project way beyond the scope of SWTOR. A year late? They should make it 2 years because people backed them to get an epic game not a mediocre one.
Also Blizzard planned a game called well all i know it was called project Titan and how much money did they spend on that, when is the release date for that game again i forget. ?
I never said the game wouldn't be released but donators raised concerns, they have more money that they originally asked for and the game is late so from view i think possibly there could be a problem.
I said in a previous post if chris roberts could give proof to the donators that there is enough money left to finish the game and a time frame too when it will roughly be completed i think that will calm things down but he hasn't.
When the TOS changed in February of this year to make refunds payable 18 months after expected completion date instead of the 12 months in the previous TOS (among other changes,) were all backers asked to agree to the new TOS or did this cover it?
Hello Iselin,
I cannot remember. I am/was fine with all versions of the SC TOS so far. 12 or 18 months did/does not matter to me. Launch date/year did/does not matter to me. Star Citizen should be a new milestone of the genre, no matter how long it takes ... THAT is what mattered/matters to me. Until then i have literally dozens of other great games still to play - on Steam, on GoG, as MMO's (Lifetime Accounts or F2Ps) or as stand-alone games.
When the TOS changed in February of this year to make refunds payable 18 months after expected completion date instead of the 12 months in the previous TOS (among other changes,) were all backers asked to agree to the new TOS or did this cover it?
Hello Iselin,
I cannot remember. I am/was fine with all versions of the SC TOS so far. 12 or 18 months did/does not matter to me. Launch date/year did/does not matter to me. Star Citizen should be a new milestone of the genre, no matter how long it takes ... THAT is what mattered/matters to me. Until then i have literally dozens of other great games still to play - on Steam, on GoG, as MMO's (Lifetime Accounts or F2Ps) or as stand-alone games.
When the TOS changed in February of this year to make refunds payable 18 months after expected completion date instead of the 12 months in the previous TOS (among other changes,) were all backers asked to agree to the new TOS or did this cover it?
Hello Iselin,
I cannot remember. I am/was fine with all versions of the SC TOS so far. 12 or 18 months did/does not matter to me. Launch date/year did/does not matter to me. Star Citizen should be a new milestone of the genre, no matter how long it takes ... THAT is what mattered/matters to me. Until then i have literally dozens of other great games still to play - on Steam, on GoG, as MMO's (Lifetime Accounts or F2Ps) or as stand-alone games.
Have fun
Thanks.
Any other backers remember being asked to agree to the new TOS?
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
Although the one on the live website is no longer called "U.S. 1.2" it's "International 1.0" but from the same date: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/tos
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
I said in a previous post if chris roberts could give proof to the donators that there is enough money left to finish the game and a time frame too when it will roughly be completed i think that will calm things down but he hasn't.
Anna forgive me but I am going to use this as an example of what people are asking.
I have paid for my internet service this month. I have invested that resource in having this conversation with you.
Some anonymous source told me your internet is about to be cutoff due to running out of money.
I have a vested interest in continuing this conversation with you and I am concerned if this will happen.
I want you to give me proof you have paid your internet bill this month and I also want a bank statement from you proving you can pay your internet bill in the future.
If not I might have wasted my time and money investing in this conversation.
I said in a previous post if chris roberts could give proof to the donators that there is enough money left to finish the game and a time frame too when it will roughly be completed i think that will calm things down but he hasn't.
Anna forgive me but I am going to use this as an example of what people are asking.
I have paid for my internet service this month. I have invested that resource in having this conversation with you.
Some anonymous source told me your internet is about to be cutoff due to running out of money.
I have a vested interest in continuing this conversation with you and I am concerned if this will happen.
I want you to give me proof you have paid your internet bill this month and I also want a bank statement from you proving you can pay your internet bill in the future.
If not I might have wasted my time and money investing in this conversation.
But you haven't donated any money to me for me to pay my internet bill but lets say if you had i would have no problem showing you that it had been paid.
I said in a previous post if chris roberts could give proof to the donators that there is enough money left to finish the game and a time frame too when it will roughly be completed i think that will calm things down but he hasn't.
Anna forgive me but I am going to use this as an example of what people are asking.
I have paid for my internet service this month. I have invested that resource in having this conversation with you.
Some anonymous source told me your internet is about to be cutoff due to running out of money.
I have a vested interest in continuing this conversation with you and I am concerned if this will happen.
I want you to give me proof you have paid your internet bill this month and I also want a bank statement from you proving you can pay your internet bill in the future.
If not I might have wasted my time and money investing in this conversation.
The shills are funny. Comparing $70 internet bill to 100mil sourced and spent and no service provided as promised. That's not true, the cash shop has been delivered.
I said in a previous post if chris roberts could give proof to the donators that there is enough money left to finish the game and a time frame too when it will roughly be completed i think that will calm things down but he hasn't.
Anna forgive me but I am going to use this as an example of what people are asking.
I have paid for my internet service this month. I have invested that resource in having this conversation with you.
Some anonymous source told me your internet is about to be cutoff due to running out of money.
I have a vested interest in continuing this conversation with you and I am concerned if this will happen.
I want you to give me proof you have paid your internet bill this month and I also want a bank statement from you proving you can pay your internet bill in the future.
If not I might have wasted my time and money investing in this conversation.
The shills are funny. Comparing $70 internet bill to 100mil sourced and spent and no service provided as promised. That's not true, the cash shop has been delivered.
Lol, not a shill by any means. I actually think the whole thing is comical surrounding this SC thing.
It's pretty sad this has gained so much traction......Read the FACTS not some droll coming out of DS or a report released with no real source....look at the post/vids/reports and spend 5Mins on google and read....you will see who the jackass is and you will see who is just starting crap like he always does when hes bored.....if you don't know anything about DS you should really read up on his background and overall character....and the anonymous "ex-employees" can be found on Glassdoor which the site has zero overhead and anyone and I mean anyone can go write a review saying they worked there and the site never checks to see if you did.....if that counts as "speaking" with ex-employees then I need to start working in journalism sounds pretty easy to make shit up and the average joe not only thinks it's true but preaches it.....how sad more the half the people in the post can't do 5 mins of reading on the their own to find the TRUTH...
I do not own SC and don't plan to buy it until full release and have nothing to gain or lose if the game bombs or not
Funny how people are saying all these concerns are some other guys idea when people who had donated where voicing these concerns before he started shouting louder.
But over look the fact they have a lot more money than they said it would cost to make the game than before and it's already a year late.
And? It took EAWare Austin 7 years and 250 million $*(excluding marketing cost) to make SWTOR. SC is a project way beyond the scope of SWTOR. A year late? They should make it 2 years because people backed them to get an epic game not a mediocre one.
Also Blizzard planned a game called well all i know it was called project Titan and how much money did they spend on that, when is the release date for that game again i forget. ?
I never said the game wouldn't be released but donators raised concerns, they have more money that they originally asked for and the game is late so from view i think possibly there could be a problem.
I said in a previous post if chris roberts could give proof to the donators that there is enough money left to finish the game and a time frame too when it will roughly be completed i think that will calm things down but he hasn't.
It is because they have more money that they are obligated to give us a game that says : "hey this is a game people donated 80 million for". Not some mediocre crap that is being released in the name of space sci-fi left and right these days. And Chris Roberts is not in any legal obligation to give you any proof, when you backed the project you were promised to have access to modular version of game before they finally release the full version and currently those modules are being played by backers as promised by RSI and CIG, you are not entitled to anything more unless you bought specific backer package that ensures you get yearly visit to RSI and CIG office to observe development process. Before you threw your money you should have read ToS.
Boobs are LIFE, Boobs are LOVE, Boobs are JUSTICE, Boobs are mankind's HOPES and DREAMS. People who complain about boobs have lost their humanity.
I said in a previous post if chris roberts could give proof to the donators that there is enough money left to finish the game and a time frame too when it will roughly be completed i think that will calm things down but he hasn't.
Anna forgive me but I am going to use this as an example of what people are asking.
I have paid for my internet service this month. I have invested that resource in having this conversation with you.
Some anonymous source told me your internet is about to be cutoff due to running out of money.
I have a vested interest in continuing this conversation with you and I am concerned if this will happen.
I want you to give me proof you have paid your internet bill this month and I also want a bank statement from you proving you can pay your internet bill in the future.
If not I might have wasted my time and money investing in this conversation.
The shills are funny. Comparing $70 internet bill to 100mil sourced and spent and no service provided as promised. That's not true, the cash shop has been delivered.
Lol, not a shill by any means. I actually think the whole thing is comical surrounding this SC thing.
You want comical? Go read some of the posts by posters on the RSI forum. Over there Chris Roberts is God, and any ill spoken about CR or SC is blasphemy. Anytime a post is posted by a member that even mildly criticizes SC or CR a disclaimer must also be included assuring everyone that they love and support SC and CR lest they be tarred and feathered before being fed to the wolves. Over there they brag about buying additional $900 concept drawings of ships as a way of getting back at Derek Smart. Come to think of it, it would actually be funny, if it wasn't so sad.
You want comical? Go read some of the posts by posters on the RSI forum. Over there Chris Roberts is God, and any ill spoken about CR or SC is blasphemy. Anytime a post is posted by a member that even mildly criticizes SC or CR a disclaimer is also included assuring everyone that they love and support SC and CR lest they be tarred and feathered before being fed to the wolves. Over there they brag about buying additional ships as a way of getting back at Derek Smart. Come to think of it, it actually would be funny, if it wasn't so sad.
You are referring to 0.1 % of the posts on the forum. Every crowd has some nuts.
The vast majority of backers on the forums is simply discussing the game and its many aspects.
It is because they have more money that they are obligated to give us a game that says : "hey this is a game people donated 80 million for". Not some mediocre crap that is being released in the name of space sci-fi left and right these days. And Chris Roberts is not in any legal obligation to give you any proof, when you backed the project you were promised to have access to modular version of game before they finally release the full version and currently those modules are being played by backers as promised by RSI and CIG, you are not entitled to anything more unless you bought specific backer package that ensures you get yearly visit to RSI and CIG office to observe development process. Before you threw your money you should have read ToS.
He isn't obligated to give any proof... Nor are backers or those tracking the game on their radar obligated to notstart asking questions and voicing doubts based on a lack of what is seen as acceptable progress for a studio of 200+ with $90 million at their disposal over 4 years. But both camps could benefit one another from a release of a lot more information on the progress (I don't think any kind of spending reports are needed).
As others have mentioned, albeit sarcastically, the majority of the "updates" on the game seem to be new options for folks to throw money at CIG. Contrast this with Mark Jacobs's approach to keeping his backers updated. Smaller scale? Well, to be honest, with the progress we've seen, so far MJ's created the larger scale product. If you count promises, CR has the larger scale product. Difference being, we can see MJ's scale for ourselves, we cannot see CR's.
It's pretty sad this has gained so much traction......Read the FACTS not some droll coming out of DS or a report released with no real source....look at the post/vids/reports and spend 5Mins on google and read....you will see who the jackass is and you will see who is just starting crap like he always does when hes bored.....if you don't know anything about DS you should really read up on his background and overall character....and the anonymous "ex-employees" can be found on Glassdoor which the site has zero overhead and anyone and I mean anyone can go write a review saying they worked there and the site never checks to see if you did.....if that counts as "speaking" with ex-employees then I need to start working in journalism sounds pretty easy to make shit up and the average joe not only thinks it's true but preaches it.....how sad more the half the people in the post can't do 5 mins of reading on the their own to find the TRUTH...
I do not own SC and don't plan to buy it until full release and have nothing to gain or lose if the game bombs or not
Funny how people are saying all these concerns are some other guys idea when people who had donated where voicing these concerns before he started shouting louder.
But over look the fact they have a lot more money than they said it would cost to make the game than before and it's already a year late.
And? It took EAWare Austin 7 years and 250 million $*(excluding marketing cost) to make SWTOR. SC is a project way beyond the scope of SWTOR. A year late? They should make it 2 years because people backed them to get an epic game not a mediocre one.
Also Blizzard planned a game called well all i know it was called project Titan and how much money did they spend on that, when is the release date for that game again i forget. ?
I never said the game wouldn't be released but donators raised concerns, they have more money that they originally asked for and the game is late so from view i think possibly there could be a problem.
I said in a previous post if chris roberts could give proof to the donators that there is enough money left to finish the game and a time frame too when it will roughly be completed i think that will calm things down but he hasn't.
It is because they have more money that they are obligated to give us a game that says : "hey this is a game people donated 80 million for". Not some mediocre crap that is being released in the name of space sci-fi left and right these days. And Chris Roberts is not in any legal obligation to give you any proof, when you backed the project you were promised to have access to modular version of game before they finally release the full version and currently those modules are being played by backers as promised by RSI and CIG, you are not entitled to anything more unless you bought specific backer package that ensures you get yearly visit to RSI and CIG office to observe development process. Before you threw your money you should have read ToS.
I haven't donated too the game, i don't even like sci fi games i was just posting my views on the topic.
I would never 100% believe a guy who i don't know but seems like some people like to take what he says as the 100% truth, i make my own mind up so my views are my own and no one elses.
It is because they have more money that they are obligated to give us a game that says : "hey this is a game people donated 80 million for". Not some mediocre crap that is being released in the name of space sci-fi left and right these days. And Chris Roberts is not in any legal obligation to give you any proof, when you backed the project you were promised to have access to modular version of game before they finally release the full version and currently those modules are being played by backers as promised by RSI and CIG, you are not entitled to anything more unless you bought specific backer package that ensures you get yearly visit to RSI and CIG office to observe development process. Before you threw your money you should have read ToS.
He isn't obligated to give any proof... Nor are backers or those tracking the game on their radar obligated to notstart asking questions and voicing doubts based on a lack of what is seen as acceptable progress for a studio of 200+ with $90 million at their disposal over 4 years. But both camps could benefit one another from a release of a lot more information on the progress (I don't think any kind of spending reports are needed).
As others have mentioned, albeit sarcastically, the majority of the "updates" on the game seem to be new options for folks to throw money at CIG. Contrast this with Mark Jacobs's approach to keeping his backers updated. Smaller scale? Well, to be honest, with the progress we've seen, so far MJ's created the larger scale product. If you count promises, CR has the larger scale product. Difference being, we can see MJ's scale for ourselves, we cannot see CR's.
yeah but SC is not just another RvR game and features promised by CIG for SC are not just regular game mechanic that suits RvR settings. I hope you understand the difference.
Boobs are LIFE, Boobs are LOVE, Boobs are JUSTICE, Boobs are mankind's HOPES and DREAMS. People who complain about boobs have lost their humanity.
It is because they have more money that they are obligated to give us a game that says : "hey this is a game people donated 80 million for". Not some mediocre crap that is being released in the name of space sci-fi left and right these days. And Chris Roberts is not in any legal obligation to give you any proof, when you backed the project you were promised to have access to modular version of game before they finally release the full version and currently those modules are being played by backers as promised by RSI and CIG, you are not entitled to anything more unless you bought specific backer package that ensures you get yearly visit to RSI and CIG office to observe development process. Before you threw your money you should have read ToS.
He isn't obligated to give any proof... Nor are backers or those tracking the game on their radar obligated to notstart asking questions and voicing doubts based on a lack of what is seen as acceptable progress for a studio of 200+ with $90 million at their disposal over 4 years. But both camps could benefit one another from a release of a lot more information on the progress (I don't think any kind of spending reports are needed).
As others have mentioned, albeit sarcastically, the majority of the "updates" on the game seem to be new options for folks to throw money at CIG. Contrast this with Mark Jacobs's approach to keeping his backers updated. Smaller scale? Well, to be honest, with the progress we've seen, so far MJ's created the larger scale product. If you count promises, CR has the larger scale product. Difference being, we can see MJ's scale for ourselves, we cannot see CR's.
yeah but SC is not just another RvR game and features promised by CIG for SC are not just regular game mechanic that suits RvR settings. I hope you understand the difference.
Correct currently it isn' t a game at all. If you want fairness in people making snap judgements from random news articles or internet attention whores; don't then turn around and compare a project that still remains mostly promise to actual products that exist on the market with promise fulfilled.
yeah but SC is not just another RvR game and features promised by CIG for SC are not just regular game mechanic that suits RvR settings. I hope you understand the difference.
Not RvR... I guess that must be the reason why CU offers no questions asked full refunds at any time to anyone wanting one and SC does not. It's the RvR that is the essential difference here
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
You want comical? Go read some of the posts by posters on the RSI forum. Over there Chris Roberts is God, and any ill spoken about CR or SC is blasphemy. Anytime a post is posted by a member that even mildly criticizes SC or CR a disclaimer is also included assuring everyone that they love and support SC and CR lest they be tarred and feathered before being fed to the wolves. Over there they brag about buying additional ships as a way of getting back at Derek Smart. Come to think of it, it actually would be funny, if it wasn't so sad.
You are referring to 0.1 % of the posts on the forum. Every crowd has some nuts.
The vast majority of backers on the forums is simply discussing the game and its many aspects.
Have fun
It is a general sentiment that permeates throughout the entirety of posts discussed on that forum. That said, I never alluded to it being a bad thing. Though bordering on the cultist/fanatical/zealotry tip, there is something to be said for an exhibition of loyalty of that magnitude. The "nut" reference came from you.
But, as things stand, crowd-funding is a donation. It is not the purchase of a product or an investment, and the usual statutory or contractual obligations do not apply. You have (I'll amend my wording from my earlier post) very little protection or legal recourse.
And no, a private company not on the stock market is NOT required to open their books, especially not when a competitor demands it.
Have fun
Not entirely correct. Kickstarter is very specific what the project creator has to do in case he fails. Including return of remaining funds and detailed financial reports.
"When a project is successfully funded, the creator must complete the project and fulfill each reward. Once a creator has done so, they’ve satisfied their obligation to their backers.
...
If a creator is unable to complete their project and fulfill rewards, they’ve failed to live up to the basic obligations of this agreement. To right this, they must make every reasonable effort to find another way of bringing the project to the best possible conclusion for backers. A creator in this position has only remedied the situation and met their obligations to backers if:
they post an update that explains what work has been done, how funds were used, and what prevents them from finishing the project as planned;
they work diligently and in good faith to bring the project to the best possible conclusion in a timeframe that’s communicated to backers;
they’re able to demonstrate that they’ve used funds appropriately and made every reasonable effort to complete the project as promised;
they’ve been honest, and have made no material misrepresentations in their communication to backers; and
they offer to return any remaining funds to backers who have not received their reward (in proportion to the amounts pledged), or else explain how those funds will be used to complete the project in some alternate form.
The creator is solely responsible for fulfilling the promises made in their project. If they’re unable to satisfy the terms of this agreement, they may be subject to legal action by backers."
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling." - Michael Bitton Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." - SEANMCAD
But, as things stand, crowd-funding is a donation. It is not the purchase of a product or an investment, and the usual statutory or contractual obligations do not apply. You have (I'll amend my wording from my earlier post) very little protection or legal recourse.
And no, a private company not on the stock market is NOT required to open their books, especially not when a competitor demands it.
Have fun
Not entirely correct. Kickstarter is very specific what the project creator has to do in case he fails. Including return of remaining funds and detailed financial reports.
"When a project is successfully funded, the creator must complete the project and fulfill each reward. Once a creator has done so, they’ve satisfied their obligation to their backers.
...
If a creator is unable to complete their project and fulfill rewards, they’ve failed to live up to the basic obligations of this agreement. To right this, they must make every reasonable effort to find another way of bringing the project to the best possible conclusion for backers. A creator in this position has only remedied the situation and met their obligations to backers if:
they post an update that explains what work has been done, how funds were used, and what prevents them from finishing the project as planned;
they work diligently and in good faith to bring the project to the best possible conclusion in a timeframe that’s communicated to backers;
they’re able to demonstrate that they’ve used funds appropriately and made every reasonable effort to complete the project as promised;
they’ve been honest, and have made no material misrepresentations in their communication to backers; and
they offer to return any remaining funds to backers who have not received their reward (in proportion to the amounts pledged), or else explain how those funds will be used to complete the project in some alternate form.
The creator is solely responsible for fulfilling the promises made in their project. If they’re unable to satisfy the terms of this agreement, they may be subject to legal action by backers."
Yes, very specifically mentions that only on project failure do they have to provide financial details.
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Hey Erillion, since you're a backer and very few others in this thread are can you clear something up for us that was being discussed a few pages back?
When the TOS changed in February of this year to make refunds payable 18 months after expected completion date instead of the 12 months in the previous TOS (among other changes,) were all backers asked to agree to the new TOS or did this cover it?
PLEASE READ THESE TERMS OF SERVICE (“TERMS OF SERVICE”) CAREFULLY. BY CLICKING THE “ACCEPT”BUTTON AT THE END OF THESE TERMS OF SERVICE BELOW, OR BY USING THEWWW.ROBERTSSPACEINDUSTRIES.COM WEBSITE AND RELATED WEBPAGES (THE “WEBSITE”) OR ANY OF THECONTENT MADE AVAILABLE VIA THE WEBSITE OR THE GAME LAUNCHER. YOU AGREE THAT THESE TERMS OFSERVICE ARE ENFORCEABLE LIKE ANY WRITTEN CONTRACT SIGNED BY YOU.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
I never said the game wouldn't be released but donators raised concerns, they have more money that they originally asked for and the game is late so from view i think possibly there could be a problem.
I said in a previous post if chris roberts could give proof to the donators that there is enough money left to finish the game and a time frame too when it will roughly be completed i think that will calm things down but he hasn't.
I cannot remember. I am/was fine with all versions of the SC TOS so far. 12 or 18 months did/does not matter to me. Launch date/year did/does not matter to me. Star Citizen should be a new milestone of the genre, no matter how long it takes ... THAT is what mattered/matters to me. Until then i have literally dozens of other great games still to play - on Steam, on GoG, as MMO's (Lifetime Accounts or F2Ps) or as stand-alone games.
Have fun
Any other backers remember being asked to agree to the new TOS?
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
I don't recall the change, then again, I'm not one to pay attention to these things.
Yeah it was 1.2 and dated February 1st, 2015: https://web.archive.org/web/20150221120446/https://robertsspaceindustries.com/tos
Although the one on the live website is no longer called "U.S. 1.2" it's "International 1.0" but from the same date: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/tos
They both replaced 1.1 from August, 2013: https://web.archive.org/web/20130921105506/https://robertsspaceindustries.com/tos
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Succa's
I have paid for my internet service this month. I have invested that resource in having this conversation with you.
Some anonymous source told me your internet is about to be cutoff due to running out of money.
I have a vested interest in continuing this conversation with you and I am concerned if this will happen.
I want you to give me proof you have paid your internet bill this month and I also want a bank statement from you proving you can pay your internet bill in the future.
If not I might have wasted my time and money investing in this conversation.
Life IS Feudal
Pretty much says it all.
Life IS Feudal
Boobs are LIFE, Boobs are LOVE, Boobs are JUSTICE, Boobs are mankind's HOPES and DREAMS. People who complain about boobs have lost their humanity.
You want comical? Go read some of the posts by posters on the RSI forum. Over there Chris Roberts is God, and any ill spoken about CR or SC is blasphemy. Anytime a post is posted by a member that even mildly criticizes SC or CR a disclaimer must also be included assuring everyone that they love and support SC and CR lest they be tarred and feathered before being fed to the wolves. Over there they brag about buying additional $900 concept drawings of ships as a way of getting back at Derek Smart. Come to think of it, it would actually be funny, if it wasn't so sad.
The vast majority of backers on the forums is simply discussing the game and its many aspects.
Have fun
As others have mentioned, albeit sarcastically, the majority of the "updates" on the game seem to be new options for folks to throw money at CIG. Contrast this with Mark Jacobs's approach to keeping his backers updated. Smaller scale? Well, to be honest, with the progress we've seen, so far MJ's created the larger scale product. If you count promises, CR has the larger scale product. Difference being, we can see MJ's scale for ourselves, we cannot see CR's.
I would never 100% believe a guy who i don't know but seems like some people like to take what he says as the 100% truth, i make my own mind up so my views are my own and no one elses.
Boobs are LIFE, Boobs are LOVE, Boobs are JUSTICE, Boobs are mankind's HOPES and DREAMS. People who complain about boobs have lost their humanity.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
It is a general sentiment that permeates throughout the entirety of posts discussed on that forum. That said, I never alluded to it being a bad thing. Though bordering on the cultist/fanatical/zealotry tip, there is something to be said for an exhibition of loyalty of that magnitude. The "nut" reference came from you.
Kickstarter TOS #4
"When a project is successfully funded, the creator must complete the project and fulfill each reward. Once a creator has done so, they’ve satisfied their obligation to their backers.
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If a creator is unable to complete their project and fulfill rewards, they’ve failed to live up to the basic obligations of this agreement. To right this, they must make every reasonable effort to find another way of bringing the project to the best possible conclusion for backers. A creator in this position has only remedied the situation and met their obligations to backers if:
The creator is solely responsible for fulfilling the promises made in their project. If they’re unable to satisfy the terms of this agreement, they may be subject to legal action by backers."
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
- Michael Bitton
Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about."
- SEANMCAD
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