Actually it would benefit Chris Roberts and Star Citizen if he did show proof that everything is fine with the project, because if it turned out that everything is fine people would have more faith in the project and they would probably get them more funds.
Exactly. And in case he misused the backers money, which should be completely for the development, doing things like:
- The Pet Movie and others; - The crowdfunding platform; - Trips unrelated with the business on particular flights; - Marketing/trade shows; - other unrelated investiments; - Mansion, cars, etc.
He could just add there in the Strech Goals webpage, in the middle of all those others, to demonstrate how the community was ok and "voted with their wallets", allowing him all these parties with the backers money. You know, just like he did now, pretending that all the he promised to release in the estimated date of two years was "community goals, alpha dogfighting and squadron 42", while all the rest was for later (despite the fact that his original description have 1 paragraph about SQ42, 1 sentence about alpha and all the rest of the big wall that was the original description was about "Star Citizen", without any mention of "Oh, its just squadron 42, "the game-as-described is just Squadron 42, ok?". (Funny fact: the page that he brought to "prove" that PU was a stretch goal, only was made months later after the end of the original crowdfunding campaign, and that's why I gave the suggestion since for him, this is the kind of thing that "proves that everyone was aware in the past"... we all have that mind trick... we all read the mind of Chris Roberts to see that the description of the game and promises attached, were not really what he had in his mind") lol
I have to laugh @Erillion he said yesterday something would be coming. Then he puts these links up to devs answering questions. He and CR should know words right now don't mean nothing. CR has to show something or all the backers should start putting in for refunds. As of right now SC looks dead in space, swallowed by a black hole!
Whistleblowers usually stay anonymous especially if they still work there or even if they have left or were fired they wouldn't want it out incase it affected them getting another job, but it doesn't mean it's not try because they are anonymous. lol
Thank you Mylady Obvious for that explanation.
Now please ...
some proof !
Have fun
There are SEVEN sources reporting similar stories. That is more than enough proof.
You are not seriously insinuating that SEVEN people that left the company for completely different reasons at completely different times have all decided to gather together and defame their ex-employer. You know that is grade A tinfoil hat conspiracy nonsense, right? The much more likely explanation is that there is something really wrong in CIG wonderland.
I still don't see how you believe that to be so outlandish, that kinda thing isn't unheard of. It just seems you want to completely shutdown the other possible scenario to me.. you want there to be something wrong... and will not see any other possible outcome.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
He and CR should know words right now don't mean nothing.
I disagree. The words stated by Roberts means something, since they are proven lies and new tries to mislead the general public, specially the recent backers or people in general that don't dig enough, or have no memory, about what he actualy promised in the past.
A behavior that he demonstrated along the entire project. Always saying something, and later, contradicting what said in the past, specially in damage control situations.
I wouldn't expect an unbias post coming from Erillion they seem to think everything that Chris Roberts has to say is the 100% truth.
It's not like you folks are being any less bias.
Some of course are trying, witch is rather difficult with all comers throwing out rants, mis-information, personal agendas, self projection, and opinions veiled as fact.
I wouldn't expect an unbias post coming from Erillion they seem to think everything that Chris Roberts has to say is the 100% truth.
It's not like you folks are being any less bias.
I am not being bias, Erillion keeps qouting what Chris Roberts has said, what i am saying is my own impartial view, i haven't backed the game i don't even know who Chris Roberts is nor Derek Smart i only know their names because they keep coming up.
I am not even on a side, i do my own thinking nobody else.
I wouldn't expect an unbias post coming from Erillion they seem to think everything that Chris Roberts has to say is the 100% truth.
It's not like you folks are being any less bias.
Some of course are trying, witch is rather difficult with all comers throwing out rants, mis-information, personal agendas, self projection, and opinions veiled as fact.
It's really not that hard to realize any side could be right or wrong. Nor is it hard to resist planting your feet in the ground with a conclusion on something that has not been concluded.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
This^ neither party is acting with integrity or without suspect agendas. I will however, give the article the benefit of the doubt(and this is a big reach for me as I generally consider game journalism something I scrape off my shoes.) as:
A. she never expressed her own views she merely re-posted what both the sources and CR himself said to her. She made no personal allegations or conclusions, while giving both sides a forum.
B. They have since gone to some pains to explain source verification leaving little credible doubt as to their attempt at integrity. if the sources in question, or CR, or both are mis-representing things that isn't the reporters look-out.
C. they had the courtesy to give CR an early notification of the article and the chance and time at rebuttal. Even though two verified sources are enough to run with a story without that courtesy. And it is a courtesy not a requirement.
D. nor is it her fault she was given a rant to wade through instead of a point by point rebuttal.
EDIT she's the only one in this whole mess that seems to have any sense of professionalism, from any side. She reported the story, she didn't insert herself into it, nor run away from it. Which is the ideal for any jounalist.
It's very interesting that people demand "proper" journalism but when it presents a topic that doesn't conform to their view they decry it as hack journalism, which is not to say the article is without fault but it's hardly the made up smear piece the more fanatical fans want to paint it as.
Is there a way of presenting criticism that they would find acceptable I wonder or do they dismiss any and all criticism as people having agendas?
I wouldn't expect an unbias post coming from Erillion they seem to think everything that Chris Roberts has to say is the 100% truth.
It's not like you folks are being any less bias.
Some of course are trying, witch is rather difficult with all comers throwing out rants, mis-information, personal agendas, self projection, and opinions veiled as fact.
It's really not that hard to realize any side could be right or wrong. Nor is it hard to resist planting your feet in the ground with a conclusion on something that has not been concluded.
I agree, either side could be wrong. But the onus right now is on CR to prove the claims false. Escapist provided a very detailed account of their source verification.
The ball is in CR's court right now, and he's sitting on it. The response to the original article was incredibly quick. Less than a day. The Escapist promptly responded to that with their source verification article. Giving him the weekend to relax at home and not worry about all this, no response come Monday or Tuesday starts to seem damning. We will see how it goes.
As I've said before a few times, all he really needs to do is show they have made substantial progress beyond what they've released prior to this incident. The allegations about racism and emotional abuse are a different matter.. But as far as his backers are concerned, the majority will forget all about these claims of mismanagement if he just drops a major news update on progress to the game. It would be a marketing/PR touchdown to release such an update at the height of this fiasco. I cannot fathom a reason he would not do so, honestly.
I agree, either side could be wrong. But the onus right now is on CR to prove the claims false. Escapist provided a very detailed account of their source verification.
The ball is in CR's court right now, and he's sitting on it. The response to the original article was incredibly quick. Less than a day. The Escapist promptly responded to that with their source verification article. Giving him the weekend to relax at home and not worry about all this, no response come Monday or Tuesday starts to seem damning. We will see how it goes.
As I've said before a few times, all he really needs to do is show they have made substantial progress beyond what they've released prior to this incident. The allegations about racism and emotional abuse are a different matter.. But as far as his backers are concerned, the majority will forget all about these claims of mismanagement if he just drops a major news update on progress to the game. It would be a marketing/PR touchdown to release such an update at the height of this fiasco. I cannot fathom a reason he would not do so, honestly.
Nothing to really disagree with here, I guess it really boils down to if you agree with using strong arm tactics as a viable means to get the information you want. Not being a backer/supporter I personally don't really care about that, as I don't think it will really change anything anyway, the goal posts always tend to shift in situations like this. Give these types of folks one thing they'll want something else. That's my take on that anyway.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
. Giving him the weekend to relax at home and not worry about all this, no response come Monday or Tuesday starts to seem damning.
It depends, I would say no response is better than another diatribe. His own words did more damage than the sources allegations. If he does respond, I hope he finds someone to proof read, who isn't emotionally involved.
With ds always lurking I would say both sides are being shady. The whole buisness is juvenile. Its DS and some reporters muck racking to benefit their own agenda. While CR being sketchy abut details. It's like high school all over again. There's the cool popular kids and the rebellious kids who make fun of the popular kids so they can look better. So weak.
Forbes picked it up, I wonder what bone they have to pick with SC/CR.
The tinfoil hats look great on the defenders.
The Forbes guy was going off the escapist piece. He said in his tiwtter. He is also investigating the "employees". But that doesn't fit your agenda so you'll just ignore this.
I wouldn't expect an unbias post coming from Erillion they seem to think everything that Chris Roberts has to say is the 100% truth.
It's not like you folks are being any less bias.
I am not being bias, Erillion keeps qouting what Chris Roberts has said, what i am saying is my own impartial view, i haven't backed the game i don't even know who Chris Roberts is nor Derek Smart i only know their names because they keep coming up.
I am not even on a side, i do my own thinking nobody else.
I wouldn't expect an unbias post coming from Erillion they seem to think everything that Chris Roberts has to say is the 100% truth.
It's not like you folks are being any less bias.
I am not being bias, Erillion keeps qouting what Chris Roberts has said, what i am saying is my own impartial view, i haven't backed the game i don't even know who Chris Roberts is nor Derek Smart i only know their names because they keep coming up.
I am not even on a side, i do my own thinking nobody else.
BS.
Then go read my post histoy if you like i think you can do that.
I have already posted my view on why there could be a problem with this project and that is from the clear facts they have more money and the game is already late.
I wouldn't expect an unbias post coming from Erillion they seem to think everything that Chris Roberts has to say is the 100% truth.
It's not like you folks are being any less bias.
I am not being bias, Erillion keeps qouting what Chris Roberts has said, what i am saying is my own impartial view, i haven't backed the game i don't even know who Chris Roberts is nor Derek Smart i only know their names because they keep coming up.
I am not even on a side, i do my own thinking nobody else.
BS.
Then go read my post histoy if you like i think you can do that.
I think he was saying your comment was Brilliantly Smart.
As I've said before a few times, all he really needs to do is show they have made substantial progress beyond what they've released prior to this incident.
I believe they are planning to do just that at Citizencon - the event they are holding in a few weeks. From their community interaction, it does sound like they want to release the first iteration of Persistent Universe and the first chapter of Squadron 42 by the end of the year.
How they want to do that is beyond me though.
There have been very few significant updates to Arena Commander over the past few months, the FPS has been delayed significantly. In the past, they tended to release stuff as soon as they could. They are either sitting on a relatively huge amount of content, or I don't see how these releases are happening any time soon.
Whistleblowers usually stay anonymous especially if they still work there or even if they have left or were fired they wouldn't want it out incase it affected them getting another job, but it doesn't mean it's not try because they are anonymous. lol
Thank you Mylady Obvious for that explanation.
Now please ...
some proof !
Have fun
There are SEVEN sources reporting similar stories. That is more than enough proof.
You are not seriously insinuating that SEVEN people that left the company for completely different reasons at completely different times have all decided to gather together and defame their ex-employer. You know that is grade A tinfoil hat conspiracy nonsense, right? The much more likely explanation is that there is something really wrong in CIG wonderland.
I still don't see how you believe that to be so outlandish, that kinda thing isn't unheard of. It just seems you want to completely shutdown the other possible scenario to me.. you want there to be something wrong... and will not see any other possible outcome.
You omitted a fact here: If an anonymous source is corroborated by just ONE other verified source the police can get search and arrest warrants. We have SEVEN different verified sources.
If it is not unheard of please list me a case where seven employees unrelated to each other have conspired against the same ex employer and the accusations where not true.
Then if you find any i would suggest comparing it to cases where the ex employees accusations where actually correct.
Are you really sure you don't want to backpedal on this? I mean, it's pretty obvious you just entered really stormy waters.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling." - Michael Bitton Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." - SEANMCAD
Whistleblowers usually stay anonymous especially if they still work there or even if they have left or were fired they wouldn't want it out incase it affected them getting another job, but it doesn't mean it's not try because they are anonymous. lol
Thank you Mylady Obvious for that explanation.
Now please ...
some proof !
Have fun
There are SEVEN sources reporting similar stories. That is more than enough proof.
You are not seriously insinuating that SEVEN people that left the company for completely different reasons at completely different times have all decided to gather together and defame their ex-employer. You know that is grade A tinfoil hat conspiracy nonsense, right? The much more likely explanation is that there is something really wrong in CIG wonderland.
I still don't see how you believe that to be so outlandish, that kinda thing isn't unheard of. It just seems you want to completely shutdown the other possible scenario to me.. you want there to be something wrong... and will not see any other possible outcome.
If it is not unheard of please list me a case where seven employees unrelated to each other have conspired against the same ex employer and the accusations where not true.
Then i would suggest comparing it to cases where the ex employees accusations where actually correct.
Are you really sure you don't want to backpedal on this? I mean, it's pretty obvious you just entered really stormy waters.
In the interest of being fair there are probalby conspiracy to commit fraud cases where unrelated employees have been in cahoots. Not sure how that could play out here but if your tin foil hat is shiney enough you could make the argument.
This^ neither party is acting with integrity or without suspect agendas. I will however, give the article the benefit of the doubt(and this is a big reach for me as I generally consider game journalism something I scrape off my shoes.) as:
A. she never expressed her own views she merely re-posted what both the sources and CR himself said to her. She made no personal allegations or conclusions, while giving both sides a forum.
B. They have since gone to some pains to explain source verification leaving little credible doubt as to their attempt at integrity. if the sources in question, or CR, or both are mis-representing things that isn't the reporters look-out.
C. they had the courtesy to give CR an early notification of the article and the chance and time at rebuttal. Even though two verified sources are enough to run with a story without that courtesy. And it is a courtesy not a requirement.
D. nor is it her fault she was given a rant to wade through instead of a point by point rebuttal.
EDIT she's the only one in this whole mess that seems to have any sense of professionalism, from any side. She reported the story, she didn't insert herself into it, nor run away from it. Which is the ideal for any jounalist.
It's very interesting that people demand "proper" journalism but when it presents a topic that doesn't conform to their view they decry it as hack journalism, which is not to say the article is without fault but it's hardly the made up smear piece the more fanatical fans want to paint it as.
Is there a way of presenting criticism that they would find acceptable I wonder or do they dismiss any and all criticism as people having agendas?
There is no way to present criticism on this game. At all. Because the backers are making money off the Grey Market. They have more incentive than ANY of us to continue to push Chris's agenda.
Go check the grey market. The profit these "backers" are making. They really did invest, and now they are trying to silence us so they can profit. That's why they accuse everyone of knowing Derek Smart when Derek is an unknown person. No one knows or cares who he is, but it helps those invested to continue to pretend that we are a part of his agenda.
I am a concerned citizen. Not a Star Citizen. I real human being who is CONCERNED about what is happening here. It is clear to me what they are doing, if you pay attention.
Some of the subreddit /r/starcitizen own mods are doing it. The mods of the official forums were doing it and did not get banned for the practice (sending people to their own site to trade.) http://imgur.com/cwBSka2
We need to get to the bottom of this game, and that starts by opening the books. NOW.
In the interest of being fair there are probalby conspiracy to commit
fraud cases where unrelated employees have been in cahoots.
I'm not going to provide any factual data but I will make the claim that it probably did happen anyways.
Employers also write their own Glassdoor reviews. What we can see, though, is that even the positive reviews before the obvious "IAM A BLACK ZEBRA" said the same exact issues as some of the negative.
It is entirely possible some employees are being treated better than others. In fact, if what was said is true, there would be favoritism going on.
Now if you haven't seen favoritism in a workplace I have a space sim to sell you.
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- The Pet Movie and others;
- The crowdfunding platform;
- Trips unrelated with the business on particular flights;
- Marketing/trade shows;
- other unrelated investiments;
- Mansion, cars, etc.
He could just add there in the Strech Goals webpage, in the middle of all those others, to demonstrate how the community was ok and "voted with their wallets", allowing him all these parties with the backers money.
You know, just like he did now, pretending that all the he promised to release in the estimated date of two years was "community goals, alpha dogfighting and squadron 42", while all the rest was for later (despite the fact that his original description have 1 paragraph about SQ42, 1 sentence about alpha and all the rest of the big wall that was the original description was about "Star Citizen", without any mention of "Oh, its just squadron 42, "the game-as-described is just Squadron 42, ok?". (Funny fact: the page that he brought to "prove" that PU was a stretch goal, only was made months later after the end of the original crowdfunding campaign, and that's why I gave the suggestion since for him, this is the kind of thing that "proves that everyone was aware in the past"... we all have that mind trick... we all read the mind of Chris Roberts to see that the description of the game and promises attached, were not really what he had in his mind")
lol
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
Have fun
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
A behavior that he demonstrated along the entire project. Always saying something, and later, contradicting what said in the past, specially in damage control situations.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Some of course are trying, witch is rather difficult with all comers throwing out rants, mis-information, personal agendas, self projection, and opinions veiled as fact.
I am not even on a side, i do my own thinking nobody else.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
It's very interesting that people demand "proper" journalism but when it presents a topic that doesn't conform to their view they decry it as hack journalism, which is not to say the article is without fault but it's hardly the made up smear piece the more fanatical fans want to paint it as.
Is there a way of presenting criticism that they would find acceptable I wonder or do they dismiss any and all criticism as people having agendas?
The ball is in CR's court right now, and he's sitting on it. The response to the original article was incredibly quick. Less than a day. The Escapist promptly responded to that with their source verification article. Giving him the weekend to relax at home and not worry about all this, no response come Monday or Tuesday starts to seem damning. We will see how it goes.
As I've said before a few times, all he really needs to do is show they have made substantial progress beyond what they've released prior to this incident. The allegations about racism and emotional abuse are a different matter.. But as far as his backers are concerned, the majority will forget all about these claims of mismanagement if he just drops a major news update on progress to the game. It would be a marketing/PR touchdown to release such an update at the height of this fiasco. I cannot fathom a reason he would not do so, honestly.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
The Forbes guy was going off the escapist piece. He said in his tiwtter. He is also investigating the "employees". But that doesn't fit your agenda so you'll just ignore this.
I have already posted my view on why there could be a problem with this project and that is from the clear facts they have more money and the game is already late.
How they want to do that is beyond me though.
There have been very few significant updates to Arena Commander over the past few months, the FPS has been delayed significantly. In the past, they tended to release stuff as soon as they could. They are either sitting on a relatively huge amount of content, or I don't see how these releases are happening any time soon.
If it is not unheard of please list me a case where seven employees unrelated to each other have conspired against the same ex employer and the accusations where not true.
Then if you find any i would suggest comparing it to cases where the ex employees accusations where actually correct.
Are you really sure you don't want to backpedal on this? I mean, it's pretty obvious you just entered really stormy waters.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
- Michael Bitton
Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about."
- SEANMCAD
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I'm not going to provide any factual data but I will make the claim that it probably did happen anyways.
Go check the grey market. The profit these "backers" are making. They really did invest, and now they are trying to silence us so they can profit. That's why they accuse everyone of knowing Derek Smart when Derek is an unknown person. No one knows or cares who he is, but it helps those invested to continue to pretend that we are a part of his agenda.
I am a concerned citizen. Not a Star Citizen. I real human being who is CONCERNED about what is happening here. It is clear to me what they are doing, if you pay attention.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Starcitizen_trades/
Some of the subreddit /r/starcitizen own mods are doing it. The mods of the official forums were doing it and did not get banned for the practice (sending people to their own site to trade.) http://imgur.com/cwBSka2
We need to get to the bottom of this game, and that starts by opening the books. NOW.
It is entirely possible some employees are being treated better than others. In fact, if what was said is true, there would be favoritism going on.
Now if you haven't seen favoritism in a workplace I have a space sim to sell you.