This whole 10 million rounding thing is really annoying me on a personal level. 90 million and 100 million are not the same. I can think of 10 million ways they aren't.
"Nearly 100" and "100 million" is not the same either. Would a poster claiming "nearly 100 million" to be the same as "100 million" annoy you just as much?
yes.
to round to 100 million I would think you would you know follow the rules for rounding...so in this case at least 95million. Otherwise you round to 90 million or say about 90 million.
So to be in the ballpark I'd expect them to say about 90million or a little more than 90 million, etc
Oh, is that the rule?
So one can say "at least 95 million," or "about 90 million," but when generalizing and talking about a number that we know to be a number to be higher than 90, because we all know we aren't talking about 90 on the button, simply saying nearly 100 is against the rules?
Gotcha.
Lol, I never said you had to do anything mate. I said it annoys me. Do I wish you would say approx. 90million? Yes, yes I do.
That's cool.
I'll think about granting you that wish one day. I can't guarantee anything though, ok? Don't try anything drastic should you not get your wish.
This whole 10 million rounding thing is really annoying me on a personal level. 90 million and 100 million are not the same. I can think of 10 million ways they aren't.
"Nearly 100" and "100 million" is not the same either. Would a poster claiming "nearly 100 million" to be the same as "100 million" annoy you just as much?
yes.
to round to 100 million I would think you would you know follow the rules for rounding...so in this case at least 95million. Otherwise you round to 90 million or say about 90 million.
So to be in the ballpark I'd expect them to say about 90million or a little more than 90 million, etc
Oh, is that the rule?
So one can say "at least 95 million," or "about 90 million," but when generalizing and talking about a number that we know to be a number to be higher than 90, because we all know we aren't talking about 90 on the button, simply saying nearly 100 is against the rules?
Gotcha.
Lol, I never said you had to do anything mate. I said it annoys me. Do I wish you would say approx. 90million? Yes, yes I do.
That's cool.
I'll think about granting you that wish one day. I can't guarantee anything though, ok? Don't try anything drastic should you not get your wish.
CR writes letter unlike any CEO should write, also a letter no credible Attorney would allow his client to write and make public.
CR what he should of done, was not invite anyone to company to see how hard they work. He should of gave a link to backers and journalist to download and try out this online game he is making. If the company was suppose to release it when? 2013? Then he must have something that is being worked on in house.
That my friends would have put the whole damn thing to bed. Because he didn't do it, it is becoming clear they may not have any such thing that $80m+ should of made!
Actually that is the end of the story!
Or he is working really hard right now trying to come up with something like I just stated! Which I doubt he can do unless you give him another 2 years and way more than the millions he already went thru.
Now to the person who is upset about people saying $100m, if we add up all the ships he is selling that are actually nothing but pixels on the screen and may not or has never been tested in a game (because there isn't any game) he should be over $100m by now.
At least this is how I see it, so does it matter about sources or whatever else. This should all be about the game or in this instance no game.
CR writes letter unlike any CEO should write, also a letter no credible Attorney would allow his client to write and make public.
CR what he should of done, was not invite anyone to company to see how hard they work. He should of gave a link to backers and journalist to download and try out this online game he is making. If the company was suppose to release it when? 2013? Then he must have something that is being worked on in house.
That my friends would have put the whole damn thing to bed. Because he didn't do it, it is becoming clear they may not have any such thing that $80m+ should of made!
Actually that is the end of the story!
Or he is working really hard right now trying to come up with something like I just stated! Which I doubt he can do unless you give him another 2 years and way more than the millions he already went thru.
Now to the person who is upset about people saying $100m, if we add up all the ships he is selling that are actually nothing but pixels on the screen and may not or has never been tested in a game (because there isn't any game) he should be over $100m by now.
At least this is how I see it, so does it matter about sources or whatever else. This should all be about the game or in this instance no game.
CR writes letter unlike any CEO should write, also a letter no credible Attorney would allow his client to write and make public.
CR what he should of done, was not invite anyone to company to see how hard they work. He should of gave a link to backers and journalist to download and try out this online game he is making. If the company was suppose to release it when? 2013? Then he must have something that is being worked on in house.
That my friends would have put the whole damn thing to bed. Because he didn't do it, it is becoming clear they may not have any such thing that $80m+ should of made!
Actually that is the end of the story!
Or he is working really hard right now trying to come up with something like I just stated! Which I doubt he can do unless you give him another 2 years and way more than the millions he already went thru.
Now to the person who is upset about people saying $100m, if we add up all the ships he is selling that are actually nothing but pixels on the screen and may not or has never been tested in a game (because there isn't any game) he should be over $100m by now.
At least this is how I see it, so does it matter about sources or whatever else. This should all be about the game or in this instance no game.
Umm...what? People who backed are playing the game right now, it is in alpha(or pre alpha i guess?) and backers are able to download it and play it.
And also it is "should have" not "should of".
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Well I never said the man should do his own PR, but that's another story.You can't just say because he may have overreacted in his response, that allegations must be true. So until someone comes out with some actual evidence, that there's more to the story than just conjecture. I'm going to see it as nasty journalism, begging for clicks.
I think the real irony here is, far worse things are happening in many other companies around the world. Yet because they don't have a DS driving his twitter followers toward it, no one cares? Like these "free" webpage based games of recent, that build a game to play itself; then try and charge you to watch it play? Why aren't there more articles about that? Rather than ones about people upset with CIG having growing pains, and lousy HR/PR, however you want to look at it. To me that's a valid question to ask. I think we know the answer though.
Now the DS supporters will go back to the timeline of release saying "it's taking to long"! Three years ago the staff was 7 people. Two years of development is not enough time to be ranting for a finished game. Go try the modules.
"I doubt their sources are fake, some of the ex-employees are extreeeeemely bitter and have talked no end of shit about the game, but just because they actually found 7 people out of several hundred who will talk shit about the game doesn't mean they're right, and since they're all anonymous we have no idea what position they were even in to KNOW the state of the company.
Source: I don't work for CIG anymore and I'm calling bullshit on most of this"
CR writes letter unlike any CEO should write, also a letter no credible Attorney would allow his client to write and make public.
CR what he should of done, was not invite anyone to company to see how hard they work. He should of gave a link to backers and journalist to download and try out this online game he is making. If the company was suppose to release it when? 2013? Then he must have something that is being worked on in house.
That my friends would have put the whole damn thing to bed. Because he didn't do it, it is becoming clear they may not have any such thing that $80m+ should of made!
Actually that is the end of the story!
Or he is working really hard right now trying to come up with something like I just stated! Which I doubt he can do unless you give him another 2 years and way more than the millions he already went thru.
Now to the person who is upset about people saying $100m, if we add up all the ships he is selling that are actually nothing but pixels on the screen and may not or has never been tested in a game (because there isn't any game) he should be over $100m by now.
At least this is how I see it, so does it matter about sources or whatever else. This should all be about the game or in this instance no game.
This applies to any kickstarted product...
What any millions should have made is a company full of employees, hardware and software to do the work on, infrastructure, so on and so forth. Putting the game together, is something else entirely. This is the part any KS backer needs to understand, the game or product is the final step, everything else comes first.
This is a big part of why i do not donate to this kind of thing, it's a gamble, this game may never be made, and it doesn't even take wrong doing for that to be the reality. It could also turn out to be a massive hunk of shovelware, again that doesn't mean there was wrong doing. Even with the best of intentions these two things could be a reality, they're the most likely scenarios statistically. Failures and problematic products are far more a constant, than releasing a ground breaking one of kind game.
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Well I never said the man should do his own PR, but that's another story.You can't just say because he may have overreacted in his response, that allegations must be true. So until someone comes out with some actual evidence, that there's more to the story than just conjecture. I'm going to see it as nasty journalism, begging for clicks.
I think the real irony here is, far worse things are happening in many other companies around the world. Yet because they don't have a DS driving his twitter followers toward it, no one cares? Like these "free" webpage based games of recent, that build a game to play itself; then try and charge you to watch it play? Why aren't there more articles about that? Rather than ones about people upset with CIG having growing pains, and lousy HR/PR, however you want to look at it. To me that's a valid question to ask. I think we know the answer though.
Now the DS supporters will go back to the timeline of release saying "it's taking to long"! Three years ago the staff was 7 people. Two years of development is not enough time to be ranting for a finished game. Go try the modules.
Realizer ... What many of you SC/CR backers/supporters fail to understand, or perhaps purposely fail to want take into account, is that there were a good many people saying the same things, and feeling the same way that DS felt, before DS eventually came out and said anything. What you also fail to understand, is that DS has been as much a blessing as a curse for Roberts. Why? Because he has allowed Roberts, and his supporters, to deflect this incident on DS and by doing so keeping the focus away from him and the mismanagement of this crowd funding fiasco where it should be.
Again, as much as you Derek Smart haters want to make this about Derek Smart, it isn't. The large majority of us are not Derek Smart followers. We simply agree with the message of transparency and accountability. If Chris Roberts were to provide that this would all go away, and the simple fact that he refuses to do that is what is fueling this backlash.
Well I never said the man should do his own PR, but that's another story.You can't just say because he may have overreacted in his response, that allegations must be true. So until someone comes out with some actual evidence, that there's more to the story than just conjecture. I'm going to see it as nasty journalism, begging for clicks.
I think the real irony here is, far worse things are happening in many other companies around the world. Yet because they don't have a DS driving his twitter followers toward it, no one cares? Like these "free" webpage based games of recent, that build a game to play itself; then try and charge you to watch it play? Why aren't there more articles about that? Rather than ones about people upset with CIG having growing pains, and lousy HR/PR, however you want to look at it. To me that's a valid question to ask. I think we know the answer though.
Now the DS supporters will go back to the timeline of release saying "it's taking to long"! Three years ago the staff was 7 people. Two years of development is not enough time to be ranting for a finished game. Go try the modules.
Realizer ... What many of you SC/CR backers/supporters fail to understand, or perhaps purposely fail to want take into account, is that there were a good many people saying the same things, and feeling the same way that DS felt, before DS eventually came out and said anything. What you also fail to understand, is that DS has been as much a blessing as a curse for Roberts. Why? Because he has allowed Roberts, and his supporters, to deflect this incident on DS and by doing so keeping the focus away from him and the mismanagement of this crowd funding fiasco where it should be.
Again, as much as you Derek Smart haters want to make this about Derek Smart, it isn't. The large majority of us are not Derek Smart followers. We simply agree with the message of transparency and accountability. If Chris Roberts were to provide that this would all go away, and the simple fact that he refuses to do that is what is fueling this backlash.
Merely that and nothing more.
I constantly hear about these various people. Can you link to them? I'm pretty sure their 'concerns' weren't accusations of nepotism; embezzlement; mismanagement; racism; crusades against Chris's wife; retweeting of their kids; and so on.
In the interest of being fair there are probalby conspiracy to commit
fraud cases where unrelated employees have been in cahoots.
I'm not going to provide any factual data but I will make the claim that it probably did happen anyways.
Although I have never seen it or heard of it, it's possible that this has happened. But ask yourself this, absent a financial motive for doing so, what would be the motivation for 9 people to come together and fabricate negative stories about an employer?
And if they actually did, what generates so much hatred to motivate 9 people to do this with no financial stake?
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Well I never said the man should do his own PR, but that's another story.You can't just say because he may have overreacted in his response, that allegations must be true. So until someone comes out with some actual evidence, that there's more to the story than just conjecture. I'm going to see it as nasty journalism, begging for clicks.
I think the real irony here is, far worse things are happening in many other companies around the world. Yet because they don't have a DS driving his twitter followers toward it, no one cares? Like these "free" webpage based games of recent, that build a game to play itself; then try and charge you to watch it play? Why aren't there more articles about that? Rather than ones about people upset with CIG having growing pains, and lousy HR/PR, however you want to look at it. To me that's a valid question to ask. I think we know the answer though.
Now the DS supporters will go back to the timeline of release saying "it's taking to long"! Three years ago the staff was 7 people. Two years of development is not enough time to be ranting for a finished game. Go try the modules.
Realizer ... What many of you SC/CR backers/supporters fail to understand, or perhaps purposely fail to want take into account, is that there were a good many people saying the same things, and feeling the same way that DS felt, before DS eventually came out and said anything. What you also fail to understand, is that DS has been as much a blessing as a curse for Roberts. Why? Because he has allowed Roberts, and his supporters, to deflect this incident on DS and by doing so keeping the focus away from him and the mismanagement of this crowd funding fiasco where it should be.
Again, as much as you Derek Smart haters want to make this about Derek Smart, it isn't. The large majority of us are not Derek Smart followers. We simply agree with the message of transparency and accountability. If Chris Roberts were to provide that this would all go away, and the simple fact that he refuses to do that is what is fueling this backlash.
Merely that and nothing more.
The problem is your vessel of doing so DS, is one of the most corrupt and unaccountable people in all of gaming. So perhaps choose a different leader for your cause if you want to preach about that.
CR writes letter unlike any CEO should write, also a letter no credible Attorney would allow his client to write and make public.
CR what he should of done, was not invite anyone to company to see how hard they work. He should of gave a link to backers and journalist to download and try out this online game he is making. If the company was suppose to release it when? 2013? Then he must have something that is being worked on in house.
That my friends would have put the whole damn thing to bed. Because he didn't do it, it is becoming clear they may not have any such thing that $80m+ should of made!
Actually that is the end of the story!
Or he is working really hard right now trying to come up with something like I just stated! Which I doubt he can do unless you give him another 2 years and way more than the millions he already went thru.
Now to the person who is upset about people saying $100m, if we add up all the ships he is selling that are actually nothing but pixels on the screen and may not or has never been tested in a game (because there isn't any game) he should be over $100m by now.
At least this is how I see it, so does it matter about sources or whatever else. This should all be about the game or in this instance no game.
Umm...what? People who backed are playing the game right now, it is in alpha(or pre alpha i guess?) and backers are able to download it and play it.
And also it is "should have" not "should of".
Way I understand it they released 3 modules, not anything close to a game.
Well I never said the man should do his own PR, but that's another story.You can't just say because he may have overreacted in his response, that allegations must be true. So until someone comes out with some actual evidence, that there's more to the story than just conjecture. I'm going to see it as nasty journalism, begging for clicks.
I think the real irony here is, far worse things are happening in many other companies around the world. Yet because they don't have a DS driving his twitter followers toward it, no one cares? Like these "free" webpage based games of recent, that build a game to play itself; then try and charge you to watch it play? Why aren't there more articles about that? Rather than ones about people upset with CIG having growing pains, and lousy HR/PR, however you want to look at it. To me that's a valid question to ask. I think we know the answer though.
Now the DS supporters will go back to the timeline of release saying "it's taking to long"! Three years ago the staff was 7 people. Two years of development is not enough time to be ranting for a finished game. Go try the modules.
Realizer ... What many of you SC/CR backers/supporters fail to understand, or perhaps purposely fail to want take into account, is that there were a good many people saying the same things, and feeling the same way that DS felt, before DS eventually came out and said anything. What you also fail to understand, is that DS has been as much a blessing as a curse for Roberts. Why? Because he has allowed Roberts, and his supporters, to deflect this incident on DS and by doing so keeping the focus away from him and the mismanagement of this crowd funding fiasco where it should be.
Again, as much as you Derek Smart haters want to make this about Derek Smart, it isn't. The large majority of us are not Derek Smart followers. We simply agree with the message of transparency and accountability. If Chris Roberts were to provide that this would all go away, and the simple fact that he refuses to do that is what is fueling this backlash.
Merely that and nothing more.
I constantly hear about these various people. Can you link to them? I'm pretty sure their 'concerns' weren't accusations of nepotism; embezzlement; mismanagement; racism; crusades against Chris's wife; retweeting of their kids; and so on.
Except it would never would have gone there had Chris Roberts simply provided a little bit of transparency and accountability. That is what it has gotten to because he has stubbornly refused to simply show a bit of gratitude, if for nothing else but for a show of good faith, and provide a bit of transparency and accountability for the nearly 95 MILLION dollars he has received in contributions from nearly 1 million people.
If he has nothing to hide, why is it so hard to do that? Especially since it would make all of this go away. For the life of me I can not understand why anyone would not be in support of transparency and accountability and defend this position. It is indefensible. And the fact that he stubbornly and persistently refuses to do so reeks of a perception of evil and deserving of the backlash it is getting. He has no one to blame but himself.
CR writes letter unlike any CEO should write, also a letter no credible Attorney would allow his client to write and make public.
CR what he should of done, was not invite anyone to company to see how hard they work. He should of gave a link to backers and journalist to download and try out this online game he is making. If the company was suppose to release it when? 2013? Then he must have something that is being worked on in house.
That my friends would have put the whole damn thing to bed. Because he didn't do it, it is becoming clear they may not have any such thing that $80m+ should of made!
Actually that is the end of the story!
Or he is working really hard right now trying to come up with something like I just stated! Which I doubt he can do unless you give him another 2 years and way more than the millions he already went thru.
Now to the person who is upset about people saying $100m, if we add up all the ships he is selling that are actually nothing but pixels on the screen and may not or has never been tested in a game (because there isn't any game) he should be over $100m by now.
At least this is how I see it, so does it matter about sources or whatever else. This should all be about the game or in this instance no game.
Umm...what? People who backed are playing the game right now, it is in alpha(or pre alpha i guess?) and backers are able to download it and play it.
And also it is "should have" not "should of".
Way I understand it they released 3 modules, not anything close to a game.
Damn I should OF known that!
You could easily call them mini games however, and once meshed together could be pretty good. So again try basing your argument on reality, not what you want to be true.
"I doubt their sources are fake, some of the ex-employees are extreeeeemely bitter and have talked no end of shit about the game, but just because they actually found 7 people out of several hundred who will talk shit about the game doesn't mean they're right, and since they're all anonymous we have no idea what position they were even in to KNOW the state of the company.
Source: I don't work for CIG anymore and I'm calling bullshit on most of this"
In the interest of being fair there are probalby conspiracy to commit
fraud cases where unrelated employees have been in cahoots.
I'm not going to provide any factual data but I will make the claim that it probably did happen anyways.
Although I have never seen it or heard of it, it's possible that this has happened. But ask yourself this, absent a financial motive for doing so, what would be the motivation for 9 people to come together and fabricate negative stories about an employer?
And if they actually did, what generates so much hatred to motivate 9 people to do this with no financial stake?
I wasn't really trying to get into this too deeply, as I started it, it was just a comment in passing (a thought)
Tab certainly wasn't agreeing with it. I could see only two reasons why these folks came forward to the same journalist, something is amiss, or they want some form of payback. How likely that was wasn't even given much thought, as again it was a passing thought, not a summation. It's certainly not something I'd base a real argument on in this scenario, as it's pure conjecture.
That said, revenge is as sweet a motivator as money for some people, but again you'd have to know the truth behind the reasoning to argue that. Guessing at motivations, circumstance, or anything else of the sort would get us no where.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
CR writes letter unlike any CEO should write, also a letter no credible Attorney would allow his client to write and make public.
CR what he should of done, was not invite anyone to company to see how hard they work. He should of gave a link to backers and journalist to download and try out this online game he is making. If the company was suppose to release it when? 2013? Then he must have something that is being worked on in house.
That my friends would have put the whole damn thing to bed. Because he didn't do it, it is becoming clear they may not have any such thing that $80m+ should of made!
Actually that is the end of the story!
Or he is working really hard right now trying to come up with something like I just stated! Which I doubt he can do unless you give him another 2 years and way more than the millions he already went thru.
Now to the person who is upset about people saying $100m, if we add up all the ships he is selling that are actually nothing but pixels on the screen and may not or has never been tested in a game (because there isn't any game) he should be over $100m by now.
At least this is how I see it, so does it matter about sources or whatever else. This should all be about the game or in this instance no game.
Umm...what? People who backed are playing the game right now, it is in alpha(or pre alpha i guess?) and backers are able to download it and play it.
And also it is "should have" not "should of".
Way I understand it they released 3 modules, not anything close to a game.
Damn I should OF known that!
You could easily call them mini games however, and once meshed together could be pretty good. So again try basing your argument on reality, not what you want to be true.
Actually I am, just because you say it is that way, and others have said it another way. It is clear there is no playable game and 1 of the modules is just moving around inside the ship way it was told and what I seen on utube with no actual character just a camera sweep. So no you couldn't put that in as part of a game. Also the way CR said some things in that letter, it is clear there is no game in alpha or anything else.
Well I never said the man should do his own PR, but that's another story.You can't just say because he may have overreacted in his response, that allegations must be true. So until someone comes out with some actual evidence, that there's more to the story than just conjecture. I'm going to see it as nasty journalism, begging for clicks.
I think the real irony here is, far worse things are happening in many other companies around the world. Yet because they don't have a DS driving his twitter followers toward it, no one cares? Like these "free" webpage based games of recent, that build a game to play itself; then try and charge you to watch it play? Why aren't there more articles about that? Rather than ones about people upset with CIG having growing pains, and lousy HR/PR, however you want to look at it. To me that's a valid question to ask. I think we know the answer though.
Now the DS supporters will go back to the timeline of release saying "it's taking to long"! Three years ago the staff was 7 people. Two years of development is not enough time to be ranting for a finished game. Go try the modules.
Realizer ... What many of you SC/CR backers/supporters fail to understand, or perhaps purposely fail to want take into account, is that there were a good many people saying the same things, and feeling the same way that DS felt, before DS eventually came out and said anything. What you also fail to understand, is that DS has been as much a blessing as a curse for Roberts. Why? Because he has allowed Roberts, and his supporters, to deflect this incident on DS and by doing so keeping the focus away from him and the mismanagement of this crowd funding fiasco where it should be.
Again, as much as you Derek Smart haters want to make this about Derek Smart, it isn't. The large majority of us are not Derek Smart followers. We simply agree with the message of transparency and accountability. If Chris Roberts were to provide that this would all go away, and the simple fact that he refuses to do that is what is fueling this backlash.
Merely that and nothing more.
The problem is your vessel of doing so DS, is one of the most corrupt and unaccountable people in all of gaming. So perhaps choose a different leader for your cause if you want to preach about that.
No one chose Derek Smart. Derek Smart spoke for himself and his message gained traction because his message made sense and resonated with the people. And the reason it continues to resonate and gain traction is because with every passing day the message rings truer and truer. That is usually what happens when truth is on your side. Roberts can change that. He can easily shift the truth to his side but you can't bullshit your way to the truth. The truth is the truth. And it always prevails.
CR writes letter unlike any CEO should write, also a letter no credible Attorney would allow his client to write and make public.
CR what he should of done, was not invite anyone to company to see how hard they work. He should of gave a link to backers and journalist to download and try out this online game he is making. If the company was suppose to release it when? 2013? Then he must have something that is being worked on in house.
That my friends would have put the whole damn thing to bed. Because he didn't do it, it is becoming clear they may not have any such thing that $80m+ should of made!
Actually that is the end of the story!
Or he is working really hard right now trying to come up with something like I just stated! Which I doubt he can do unless you give him another 2 years and way more than the millions he already went thru.
Now to the person who is upset about people saying $100m, if we add up all the ships he is selling that are actually nothing but pixels on the screen and may not or has never been tested in a game (because there isn't any game) he should be over $100m by now.
At least this is how I see it, so does it matter about sources or whatever else. This should all be about the game or in this instance no game.
Umm...what? People who backed are playing the game right now, it is in alpha(or pre alpha i guess?) and backers are able to download it and play it.
And also it is "should have" not "should of".
Way I understand it they released 3 modules, not anything close to a game.
Damn I should OF known that!
You could easily call them mini games however, and once meshed together could be pretty good. So again try basing your argument on reality, not what you want to be true.
Actually I am, just because you say it is that way, and others have said it another way. It is clear there is no playable game and 1 of the modules is just moving around inside the ship way it was told and what I seen on utube with no actual character just a camera sweep. So no you couldn't put that in as part of a game. Also the way CR said some things in that letter, it is clear there is no game in alpha or anything else.
You don't see the character if you're in first person while inside the hangar module. If you switch to third person you can see them. Just an fyi
Actually I am, just because you say it is that way, and others have said it another way. It is clear there is no playable game and 1 of the modules is just moving around inside the ship way it was told and what I seen on utube with no actual character just a camera sweep. So no you couldn't put that in as part of a game. Also the way CR said some things in that letter, it is clear there is no game in alpha or anything else.
You don't see the character if you're in first person while inside the hangar module. If you switch to third person you can see them. Just an fyi
He wouldn't know that, he just goes off things he sees other people say.
Actually I am, just because you say it is that way, and others have said it another way. It is clear there is no playable game and 1 of the modules is just moving around inside the ship way it was told and what I seen on utube with no actual character just a camera sweep. So no you couldn't put that in as part of a game. Also the way CR said some things in that letter, it is clear there is no game in alpha or anything else.
You don't see the character if you're in first person while inside the hangar module. If you switch to third person you can see them. Just an fyi
He wouldn't know that, he just goes off things he sees other people say.
Can't say you're off base there, you'd think someone taking such a hard-line stance, would at least know the basic details of what is going on/available/etc...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Actually I am, just because you say it is that way, and others have said it another way. It is clear there is no playable game and 1 of the modules is just moving around inside the ship way it was told and what I seen on utube with no actual character just a camera sweep. So no you couldn't put that in as part of a game. Also the way CR said some things in that letter, it is clear there is no game in alpha or anything else.
You don't see the character if you're in first person while inside the hangar module. If you switch to third person you can see them. Just an fyi
He wouldn't know that, he just goes off things he sees other people say.
I suppose I should also point out if you do anything that makes your avatar use their hands they move into frame while doing the actions while in 1st person as well.
Well I never said the man should do his own PR, but that's another story.You can't just say because he may have overreacted in his response, that allegations must be true. So until someone comes out with some actual evidence, that there's more to the story than just conjecture. I'm going to see it as nasty journalism, begging for clicks.
I think the real irony here is, far worse things are happening in many other companies around the world. Yet because they don't have a DS driving his twitter followers toward it, no one cares? Like these "free" webpage based games of recent, that build a game to play itself; then try and charge you to watch it play? Why aren't there more articles about that? Rather than ones about people upset with CIG having growing pains, and lousy HR/PR, however you want to look at it. To me that's a valid question to ask. I think we know the answer though.
Now the DS supporters will go back to the timeline of release saying "it's taking to long"! Three years ago the staff was 7 people. Two years of development is not enough time to be ranting for a finished game. Go try the modules.
Realizer ... What many of you SC/CR backers/supporters fail to understand, or perhaps purposely fail to want take into account, is that there were a good many people saying the same things, and feeling the same way that DS felt, before DS eventually came out and said anything. What you also fail to understand, is that DS has been as much a blessing as a curse for Roberts. Why? Because he has allowed Roberts, and his supporters, to deflect this incident on DS and by doing so keeping the focus away from him and the mismanagement of this crowd funding fiasco where it should be.
Again, as much as you Derek Smart haters want to make this about Derek Smart, it isn't. The large majority of us are not Derek Smart followers. We simply agree with the message of transparency and accountability. If Chris Roberts were to provide that this would all go away, and the simple fact that he refuses to do that is what is fueling this backlash.
Merely that and nothing more.
The problem is your vessel of doing so DS, is one of the most corrupt and unaccountable people in all of gaming. So perhaps choose a different leader for your cause if you want to preach about that.
No one chose Derek Smart. Derek Smart spoke for himself and his message gained traction because his message made sense and resonated with the people. And the reason it continues to resonate and gain traction is because with every passing day the message rings truer and truer. That is usually what happens when truth is on your side. Roberts can change that. He can easily shift the truth to his side but you can't bullshit your way to the truth. The truth is the truth. And it always prevails.
Yeah and the truth is Derek Smart couldn't care any less about accountability, his message is saying nice things to get you on board with him, so he can try and legally dismantle his competition, and you're along for the ride. Have fun with that, you're right though the truth will prevail, and eventually Derek's followers will figure out he's just a fraud, and a courtroom bandit, that's using them for leverage.
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That's cool.
I'll think about granting you that wish one day. I can't guarantee anything though, ok? Don't try anything drastic should you not get your wish.
No promises! :pleased:
Lol
CR writes letter unlike any CEO should write, also a letter no credible Attorney would allow his client to write and make public.
CR what he should of done, was not invite anyone to company to see how hard they work. He should of gave a link to backers and journalist to download and try out this online game he is making. If the company was suppose to release it when? 2013? Then he must have something that is being worked on in house.
That my friends would have put the whole damn thing to bed. Because he didn't do it, it is becoming clear they may not have any such thing that $80m+ should of made!
Actually that is the end of the story!
Or he is working really hard right now trying to come up with something like I just stated! Which I doubt he can do unless you give him another 2 years and way more than the millions he already went thru.
Now to the person who is upset about people saying $100m, if we add up all the ships he is selling that are actually nothing but pixels on the screen and may not or has never been tested in a game (because there isn't any game) he should be over $100m by now.
At least this is how I see it, so does it matter about sources or whatever else. This should all be about the game or in this instance no game.
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
Oh oh ... you said 80m+ ...
Thourne ?
... don't jump !
J/k lol
And also it is "should have" not "should of".
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Slow night tonight when this is really all we have to chat about lol
I think the real irony here is, far worse things are happening in many other companies around the world. Yet because they don't have a DS driving his twitter followers toward it, no one cares? Like these "free" webpage based games of recent, that build a game to play itself; then try and charge you to watch it play? Why aren't there more articles about that? Rather than ones about people upset with CIG having growing pains, and lousy HR/PR, however you want to look at it. To me that's a valid question to ask. I think we know the answer though.
Now the DS supporters will go back to the timeline of release saying "it's taking to long"! Three years ago the staff was 7 people. Two years of development is not enough time to be ranting for a finished game. Go try the modules.
Source: I don't work for CIG anymore and I'm calling bullshit on most of this"
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/3n47r5/cig_employees_talk_star_citizen_and_the_state_of/cvkp29v
Sorry if that's already been posted, but this is an ex-employee.
There's about to be a shit ton of other information and word coming soon in the industry, anyway.
But, please, people. Don't let reality step in the way.
What any millions should have made is a company full of employees, hardware and software to do the work on, infrastructure, so on and so forth. Putting the game together, is something else entirely. This is the part any KS backer needs to understand, the game or product is the final step, everything else comes first.
This is a big part of why i do not donate to this kind of thing, it's a gamble, this game may never be made, and it doesn't even take wrong doing for that to be the reality. It could also turn out to be a massive hunk of shovelware, again that doesn't mean there was wrong doing. Even with the best of intentions these two things could be a reality, they're the most likely scenarios statistically. Failures and problematic products are far more a constant, than releasing a ground breaking one of kind game.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Realizer ... What many of you SC/CR backers/supporters fail to understand, or perhaps purposely fail to want take into account, is that there were a good many people saying the same things, and feeling the same way that DS felt, before DS eventually came out and said anything. What you also fail to understand, is that DS has been as much a blessing as a curse for Roberts. Why? Because he has allowed Roberts, and his supporters, to deflect this incident on DS and by doing so keeping the focus away from him and the mismanagement of this crowd funding fiasco where it should be.
Again, as much as you Derek Smart haters want to make this about Derek Smart, it isn't. The large majority of us are not Derek Smart followers. We simply agree with the message of transparency and accountability. If Chris Roberts were to provide that this would all go away, and the simple fact that he refuses to do that is what is fueling this backlash.
Merely that and nothing more.
And if they actually did, what generates so much hatred to motivate 9 people to do this with no financial stake?
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Way I understand it they released 3 modules, not anything close to a game.
Damn I should OF known that!
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
Except it would never would have gone there had Chris Roberts simply provided a little bit of transparency and accountability. That is what it has gotten to because he has stubbornly refused to simply show a bit of gratitude, if for nothing else but for a show of good faith, and provide a bit of transparency and accountability for the nearly 95 MILLION dollars he has received in contributions from nearly 1 million people.
If he has nothing to hide, why is it so hard to do that? Especially since it would make all of this go away. For the life of me I can not understand why anyone would not be in support of transparency and accountability and defend this position. It is indefensible. And the fact that he stubbornly and persistently refuses to do so reeks of a perception of evil and deserving of the backlash it is getting. He has no one to blame but himself.
Sorry that the Great Genius you folks had pinned your Stars to actually has feet of clay....
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
Tab certainly wasn't agreeing with it. I could see only two reasons why these folks came forward to the same journalist, something is amiss, or they want some form of payback. How likely that was wasn't even given much thought, as again it was a passing thought, not a summation. It's certainly not something I'd base a real argument on in this scenario, as it's pure conjecture.
That said, revenge is as sweet a motivator as money for some people, but again you'd have to know the truth behind the reasoning to argue that. Guessing at motivations, circumstance, or anything else of the sort would get us no where.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
No one chose Derek Smart. Derek Smart spoke for himself and his message gained traction because his message made sense and resonated with the people. And the reason it continues to resonate and gain traction is because with every passing day the message rings truer and truer. That is usually what happens when truth is on your side. Roberts can change that. He can easily shift the truth to his side but you can't bullshit your way to the truth. The truth is the truth. And it always prevails.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Yeah and the truth is Derek Smart couldn't care any less about accountability, his message is saying nice things to get you on board with him, so he can try and legally dismantle his competition, and you're along for the ride. Have fun with that, you're right though the truth will prevail, and eventually Derek's followers will figure out he's just a fraud, and a courtroom bandit, that's using them for leverage.