I hate to nitpick but maybe some fact checking on their end would be helpful. When they say "the author and his colleagues" it makes me think they never bothered to look at Lizzy's profile and see a woman's face staring back at them.
What are your thoughts on the part where reputable publications contacted CIG and let them know this story was shopped around to them, but there was no FACTS to back it up?
There's an update on the official site with a five-page legal document that's been sent to The Escapist. That's the official RSI site it's an update to the letter from the Chairman that was sent
Yeah, and the one part people need to take note is that other reputable publications contacted CIG and let them know the story was shopped to them, but there was no facts to back it up so they didn't publish it.
Load of BS tbh, in that letter, they claim they did not have a chance to refute certain allegations, as they were not listed as one of the bullet points, yet those allegations are in fact clearly listed as a bullet point.
-Allegations of a “toxic” work environment, including ignored Human Resources complaints against Sandi Gardiner (including accusations of discriminatory hiring processes, vulgarity and personal insults during both public disagreements and email exchanges).
go to the website and look at the pictures of their employees. how many of them have name badges on?
Relevant to my post how exactly?
Oh, that's right, it is not.
Maybe, just maybe, it is relevant to this:
Three more sources (CS2, CS6, CS7) were contacted on Sept. 27. One call started at 9 a.m. for 30 minutes and was Skype only. This was the caller who did not give his name, but verified employment with ID and pay stubs. Call #2 was at 2 p.m. for an hour and 52 minutes, while call number 3 was at 5 p.m. for an hour and one minute. Again, all callers were visually verified after the phone call via Skype.
So, who mentions a name badge? what they actually say is ID and PAY STUBS.
A creative person is motivated by the desire to achieve, not the desire to beat others.
Wow. That letter is absolutely absurd. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the article, and Roberts was indeed given a chance to respond. Predictably, he responded with nothing but personal attacks and vague statements.
I love how the Star Citizen Defense Forces, as well as Roberts himself, continue to draw Derek Smart into this when it's been proven he had NOTHING to do with the article in question. Absolutely laughable, and the ridiculous responses and threats by Roberts come off as a child throwing a temper tantrum. Even more laughable is that people still defend him. You could practically change his name to Jason Appleton at this point.
No, Lizzy's career isn't ruined. Merely saying something stupid like that shows just how out of touch with reality you are. And if you're going to make allegations that the story was 'shopped around', back it up with something. Oh wait, you can't. Boo hoo.
Oh, and just because you don't see a badge on pictures doesn't meant they don't exist. Almost every company, especially one which might be subject to entry attempts by competitors, journalists, or anyone else has a corporate ID badge of some sort. I have old badges from several places of employment. A couple are wearable, but most are simply cards issued for identification purposes, as well as being used to clock in for the day.
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There's an update on the official site with a five-page legal document that's been sent to The Escapist. That's the official RSI site it's an update to the letter from the Chairman that was sent
legal document?
All I see is a letter from the co founder who also happens to be an entertainment lawyer, how does that make it a legal document?
A creative person is motivated by the desire to achieve, not the desire to beat others.
I hate to nitpick but maybe some fact checking on their end would be helpful. When they say "the author and his colleagues" it makes me think they never bothered to look at Lizzy's profile and see a woman's face staring back at them.
What are your thoughts on the part where reputable publications contacted CIG and let them know this story was shopped around to them, but there was no FACTS to back it up?
I would call bullshit since Ortwin called Lizzy a he and from what Excession pointed out they also seem to think ID means a CIG employee badge (which doesnt exist).
I'm so glad these shams that have the audacity to call themselves journalists are getting their shit aired out in the open. This isn't even about Star Citizen anymore, its about the absolute JOKE that gaming "journalism" has become. At the very least some publications like PCGamer at least *try* to not be complete dipshits.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
So now we are up to threat to file lawsuit. Given that it was sent 2nd of october and on the same day John Keefer explained how they vetted their sources its clear that Escapists are not apologizing for their position.
Now its time to take it to court.
Iselin: And the next person who says "but it's a business, they need to make money" can just go fuck yourself.
I'm so glad these shams that have the audacity to call themselves journalists are getting their shit aired out in the open. This isn't even about Star Citizen anymore, its about the absolute JOKE that gaming "journalism" has become. At the very least some publications like PCGamer at least *try* to not be complete dipshits.
Irony in all this is gamergate was suppose to stand for integrity in journalism. Now, we have this.
in court? how is posting a letter on the internet even remotely the same as being in court?
lol
Read it. If there is no reponse within a time period, they will post the letter on the CIG website and the case goes first to CIG's litigators and then to court.
As the letter is now on the website we can assume that this soon will be an official court case, as CIG litigators "prepare legal action" in the US and UK and hand the documents over to the authorities.
Personally i do not think that in this case CIG is bluffing.
Wow. That letter is absolutely absurd. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the article, and Roberts was indeed given a chance to respond. Predictably, he responded with nothing but personal attacks and vague statements.
I love how the Star Citizen Defense Forces, as well as Roberts himself, continue to draw Derek Smart into this when it's been proven he had NOTHING to do with the article in question. Absolutely laughable, and the ridiculous responses and threats by Roberts come off as a child throwing a temper tantrum. Even more laughable is that people still defend him. You could practically change his name to Jason Appleton at this point.
No, Lizzy's career isn't ruined. Merely saying something stupid like that shows just how out of touch with reality you are. And if you're going to make allegations that the story was 'shopped around', back it up with something. Oh wait, you can't. Boo hoo.
Oh, and just because you don't see a badge on pictures doesn't meant they don't exist. Almost every company, especially one which might be subject to entry attempts by competitors, journalists, or anyone else has a corporate ID badge of some sort. I have old badges from several places of employment. A couple are wearable, but most are simply cards issued for identification purposes, as well as being used to clock in for the day.
It's all essentially he said, she said, jumping to stand by one side is as absurd as jumping to stand by the other.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Assume all you want, posting a letter on the internet is just that, posting a letter on the internet.
If they really intended to go to court over this, they would have a specialist libel lawyer, not an entertainment lawyer, handling it, and they would not be posting shit about it on the internet.
A creative person is motivated by the desire to achieve, not the desire to beat others.
There's an update on the official site with a five-page legal document that's been sent to The Escapist. That's the official RSI site it's an update to the letter from the Chairman that was sent
Assume all you want, posting a letter on the internet is just that, posting a letter on the internet.
If they really intended to go to court over this, they would have a specialist libel lawyer, not an entertainment lawyer, handling it, and they would not be posting shit about it on the internet.
I would assume someone will try the stunt that Chris Roberts and Sandi Gardiner are "celebrities" and therefore have to put up with more scrutiny than others (which is usually the way paparazzi justify their work).
But as this also involves the CIG HR personnel, IMHO that "celebrity" thing won't work here.
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Not before.
Oh, that's right, it is not.
Maybe, just maybe, it is relevant to this:
- Three more sources (CS2, CS6, CS7) were contacted on Sept. 27. One call started at 9 a.m. for 30 minutes and was Skype only. This was the caller who did not give his name, but verified employment with ID and pay stubs. Call #2 was at 2 p.m. for an hour and 52 minutes, while call number 3 was at 5 p.m. for an hour and one minute. Again, all callers were visually verified after the phone call via Skype.
So, who mentions a name badge? what they actually say is ID and PAY STUBS.A creative person is motivated by the desire to achieve, not the desire to beat others.
I love how the Star Citizen Defense Forces, as well as Roberts himself, continue to draw Derek Smart into this when it's been proven he had NOTHING to do with the article in question. Absolutely laughable, and the ridiculous responses and threats by Roberts come off as a child throwing a temper tantrum. Even more laughable is that people still defend him. You could practically change his name to Jason Appleton at this point.
No, Lizzy's career isn't ruined. Merely saying something stupid like that shows just how out of touch with reality you are. And if you're going to make allegations that the story was 'shopped around', back it up with something. Oh wait, you can't. Boo hoo.
Oh, and just because you don't see a badge on pictures doesn't meant they don't exist. Almost every company, especially one which might be subject to entry attempts by competitors, journalists, or anyone else has a corporate ID badge of some sort. I have old badges from several places of employment. A couple are wearable, but most are simply cards issued for identification purposes, as well as being used to clock in for the day.
AN' DERE AIN'T NO SUCH FING AS ENUFF DAKKA, YA GROT! Enuff'z more than ya got an' less than too much an' there ain't no such fing as too much dakka. Say dere is, and me Squiggoff'z eatin' tonight!
We are born of the blood. Made men by the blood. Undone by the blood. Our eyes are yet to open. FEAR THE OLD BLOOD.
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All I see is a letter from the co founder who also happens to be an entertainment lawyer, how does that make it a legal document?
A creative person is motivated by the desire to achieve, not the desire to beat others.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
Now its time to take it to court.
*** grabs some more popcorn ***
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lol
A creative person is motivated by the desire to achieve, not the desire to beat others.
As the letter is now on the website we can assume that this soon will be an official court case, as CIG litigators "prepare legal action" in the US and UK and hand the documents over to the authorities.
Personally i do not think that in this case CIG is bluffing.
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For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
If they really intended to go to court over this, they would have a specialist libel lawyer, not an entertainment lawyer, handling it, and they would not be posting shit about it on the internet.
A creative person is motivated by the desire to achieve, not the desire to beat others.
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14979-Chairmans-Response-To-The-Escapist
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This letter has been posted because many backers have demanded a clear response ... and CIG did.
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http://entertainmentlaw.uslegal.com/defamation/libel/
I'd think a common form of case for their clients, would be something they'd be well versed in.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
But as this also involves the CIG HR personnel, IMHO that "celebrity" thing won't work here.
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