But I can make time for it for sure. Even working 2 jobs. Just like I make time for commercial drawn out sporting events that take 3 hours. MMORPGs were a genre I would play for hours because the experience would be unique each session.
That is you. I won't make time for MMOs. Some tv shows, yes (one hour a week for the Flash or Green Arrow) but not hours a day for any game, let alone MMOs.
Sure, that is my preference vs yours. The question, important to devs, is how many of me .. are there, and how many of you?
Making the game easier and faster is easy and fast but after you reach a certain points the faster and easier you make the game the shorter time will the average player stay in the game. And throwing in a few hard raids wont solve that.
That is not a problem if the dev can milk the whales fast enough.
Even the old schoolers got `real lifed` and are now casuals. People grew up and made life choices.
It doesn't mean we don't want to play a game where there is an environment where there is non-casual gameplay.
Speak only for yourself. Given so much other entertainment (and also other stuff like work & family), I only play games casually now.
In fact, it is hard to justify spend 13 hours in a game when the alternative is something like Netflix Dare Devil ... which is much more enjoyable than many games to me. And we are not even get to the part that having a 3 hour date with my wife .. outweighs 3 hours on ANY game.
She was looking over your shoulder wasn't she Narius?
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Even the old schoolers got `real lifed` and are now casuals. People grew up and made life choices.
It doesn't mean we don't want to play a game where there is an environment where there is non-casual gameplay.
Speak only for yourself. Given so much other entertainment (and also other stuff like work & family), I only play games casually now.
In fact, it is hard to justify spend 13 hours in a game when the alternative is something like Netflix Dare Devil ... which is much more enjoyable than many games to me. And we are not even get to the part that having a 3 hour date with my wife .. outweighs 3 hours on ANY game.
She was looking over your shoulder wasn't she Narius?
lol ... she is always looking over my shoulder even if it is not literal. I actually cut 4 hours of work-time to go to shopping and dinner with her on SAT. So if work cannot beat her, games has no hope to do so.
Uhh.... Grandpa. Texting is messaging someone. Like chatting. Also known as communicating. I don't think you understand the word social.
My thread so my tangents!
Interesting point on 'have we gone too far?' I don't think so. Despite the hyperbole in the forum, most games aren't P2w 10 sec max level.
It shows what PvP games are really all about, and no, it's not about more realism and immersion. It's about cowards hiding behind a screen to they can bully other defenseless players without any risk of direct retaliation like there would be if they acted like asshats in "real life". -Jean-Luc_Picard
Life itself is a game. So why shouldn't your game be ruined? - justmemyselfandi
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Uhh.... Grandpa. Texting is messaging someone. Like chatting. Also known as communicating. I don't think you understand the word social.
It's called being in the moment with the people around you... By communicating elsewhere, you are missing part of the event. Wouldn't expect a young whipper snapper like yourself to understand...
So True. Here's a recent picture taken at some movie premiere. Notice only one person is actually "there".
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Uhh.... Grandpa. Texting is messaging someone. Like chatting. Also known as communicating. I don't think you understand the word social.
It's called being in the moment with the people around you... By communicating elsewhere, you are missing part of the event. Wouldn't expect a young whipper snapper like yourself to understand...
So True. Here's a recent picture taken at some movie premiere. Notice only one person is actually "there".
Hey now, nothing beats watching all the exciting things that happen live right in front of you on a tiny pixelated screen you shove in front of your face.
Uhh.... Grandpa. Texting is messaging someone. Like chatting. Also known as communicating. I don't think you understand the word social.
It's called being in the moment with the people around you... By communicating elsewhere, you are missing part of the event. Wouldn't expect a young whipper snapper like yourself to understand...
So True. Here's a recent picture taken at some movie premiere. Notice only one person is actually "there".
So i can take pic or video so i can go back whenever i want and share with my friends OR just watch it? I don't think you understand what socialise is.
To say we socialise less is factually wrong.
It shows what PvP games are really all about, and no, it's not about more realism and immersion. It's about cowards hiding behind a screen to they can bully other defenseless players without any risk of direct retaliation like there would be if they acted like asshats in "real life". -Jean-Luc_Picard
Life itself is a game. So why shouldn't your game be ruined? - justmemyselfandi
I don't know if you could call old WoW truly casual. It was a little grindy.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
The highwarlord pvp grind in vanilla wow was the most hardcore I've seen. It literally required 24/7 play.
It shows what PvP games are really all about, and no, it's not about more realism and immersion. It's about cowards hiding behind a screen to they can bully other defenseless players without any risk of direct retaliation like there would be if they acted like asshats in "real life". -Jean-Luc_Picard
Life itself is a game. So why shouldn't your game be ruined? - justmemyselfandi
Uhh.... Grandpa. Texting is messaging someone. Like chatting. Also known as communicating. I don't think you understand the word social.
It's called being in the moment with the people around you... By communicating elsewhere, you are missing part of the event. Wouldn't expect a young whipper snapper like yourself to understand...
So True. Here's a recent picture taken at some movie premiere. Notice only one person is actually "there".
So i can take pic or video so i can go back whenever i want and share with my friends OR just watch it? I don't think you understand what socialise is.
To say we socialise less is factually wrong.
Poor you is all I can say. Click away on your "phone".
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Rofl, I knew many people even back in the everquest days that had kids and still played. They would afk for bit and come back. I know people that play MMO's with their kids. I get the point but you didn't explain how having kids has changed todays games other then saying it's all about money these days. More seems like you are whining you don't have enough time to play games like you want cause you have kids. I don't really feel the kid thing is as big of factor as the OP makes it out to be.
A professional MMO-Gamer knows sacrifice. To become the ultimate pro mmorpg player of top dps you must sacrifice education, work, family and girl/boyfriend/husband/wife. This is hard, but so is hardcore gaming! Most dont have the dedication that is required for such sacrifices that is required for perfection. Arghhhhhh....... I strived for it, met a girl..... You know how it goes...... Not much hardcore Anymore...............hehe.... Still life is better than ever. Bwahahahaha, still got epic gamer comments
Rofl, I knew many people even back in the everquest days that had kids and still played. They would afk for bit and come back. I know people that play MMO's with their kids. I get the point but you didn't explain how having kids has changed todays games other then saying it's all about money these days. More seems like you are whining you don't have enough time to play games like you want cause you have kids. I don't really feel the kid thing is as big of factor as the OP makes it out to be.
So “your feelings” vs the us/uk census. Ummm... Okay?
As always, if there are facts that run contrary to this; sources please.
It shows what PvP games are really all about, and no, it's not about more realism and immersion. It's about cowards hiding behind a screen to they can bully other defenseless players without any risk of direct retaliation like there would be if they acted like asshats in "real life". -Jean-Luc_Picard
Life itself is a game. So why shouldn't your game be ruined? - justmemyselfandi
They changed for the better...if you bitter old vets don't like it go find a new hobby...the crying is getting old.
You are in your 40s and 50s crying about how video games aren't the same when you were in your 20s and 30s? How on earth do you feel this is normal behavior?
They changed for the better...if you bitter old vets don't like it go find a new hobby...the crying is getting old.
You are in your 40s and 50s crying about how video games aren't the same when you were in your 20s and 30s? How on earth do you feel this is normal behavior?
Whining about that things were better before than now is probably one of the most normal reactions in the lifespan of a human beeing. I cant think of anything less normal than not doing it
They changed for the better...if you bitter old vets don't like it go find a new hobby...the crying is getting old.
You are in your 40s and 50s crying about how video games aren't the same when you were in your 20s and 30s? How on earth do you feel this is normal behavior?
Whining about that things were better before than now is probably one of the most normal reactions in the lifespan of a human beeing. I cant think of anything less normal than not doing it
Umm no...a 5 year old crying about a video game could be normal behavior for him...
A 50 year old crying about a video game is NOT normal no matter how you want to spin it.
A normal 50 year old would be...well I guess I need to find a new hobby...or maybe step outside.
First, population growth is at an increase since the time you first introduced yourself to games and MMOs alike. Second, you are taking static numbers and putting them up on a timeline for comparison, this works for basic stats and maths. BUT, you are talking about an analysis that a simple survey of consensus will not cover, lol. Third, your constant disapproval of everyone's opinions because they lack a source is laughable at best. Fourth, the world's a lot bigger than just your screen.
Ah.. I didn't realize opinions are more important than facts when debating things. /sarcasm
It shows what PvP games are really all about, and no, it's not about more realism and immersion. It's about cowards hiding behind a screen to they can bully other defenseless players without any risk of direct retaliation like there would be if they acted like asshats in "real life". -Jean-Luc_Picard
Life itself is a game. So why shouldn't your game be ruined? - justmemyselfandi
So opinions aren't formed from facts? Or are opinions so deviated from facts/sources that it brings nothing to a discussion? Sorry, I didn't realise we were all creatures born from a cave.
So opinions aren't formed from facts? Or are opinions so deviated from facts/sources that it brings nothing to a discussion? Sorry, I didn't realise we were all creatures born from a cave.
Opinions are simply thoughts on a subject, they have nothing to do with facts. But yes, we're all born from biological caves, that's basically what the womb is.
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Sure, that is my preference vs yours. The question, important to devs, is how many of me .. are there, and how many of you?
That is not a problem if the dev can milk the whales fast enough.
f2p games have low retention (80% won't stay beyond 30 days ... see https://www.superdataresearch.com/blog/understanding-mmo-retention/) and that does not prevent lots of f2p games to be made and survive.
So long retention is really not that important .. otherwise no one will make f2p games.
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
My thread so my tangents!
Interesting point on 'have we gone too far?'
I don't think so. Despite the hyperbole in the forum, most games aren't P2w 10 sec max level.
It shows what PvP games are really all about, and no, it's not about more realism and immersion. It's about cowards hiding behind a screen to they can bully other defenseless players without any risk of direct retaliation like there would be if they acted like asshats in "real life". -Jean-Luc_Picard
Life itself is a game. So why shouldn't your game be ruined? - justmemyselfandi
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
So True. Here's a recent picture taken at some movie premiere. Notice only one person is actually "there".
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Hey now, nothing beats watching all the exciting things that happen live right in front of you on a tiny pixelated screen you shove in front of your face.
To say we socialise less is factually wrong.
It shows what PvP games are really all about, and no, it's not about more realism and immersion. It's about cowards hiding behind a screen to they can bully other defenseless players without any risk of direct retaliation like there would be if they acted like asshats in "real life". -Jean-Luc_Picard
Life itself is a game. So why shouldn't your game be ruined? - justmemyselfandi
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
It literally required 24/7 play.
It shows what PvP games are really all about, and no, it's not about more realism and immersion. It's about cowards hiding behind a screen to they can bully other defenseless players without any risk of direct retaliation like there would be if they acted like asshats in "real life". -Jean-Luc_Picard
Life itself is a game. So why shouldn't your game be ruined? - justmemyselfandi
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Ummm... Okay?
As always, if there are facts that run contrary to this; sources please.
It shows what PvP games are really all about, and no, it's not about more realism and immersion. It's about cowards hiding behind a screen to they can bully other defenseless players without any risk of direct retaliation like there would be if they acted like asshats in "real life". -Jean-Luc_Picard
Life itself is a game. So why shouldn't your game be ruined? - justmemyselfandi
You are in your 40s and 50s crying about how video games aren't the same when you were in your 20s and 30s? How on earth do you feel this is normal behavior?
A 50 year old crying about a video game is NOT normal no matter how you want to spin it.
A normal 50 year old would be...well I guess I need to find a new hobby...or maybe step outside.
Second, you are taking static numbers and putting them up on a timeline for comparison, this works for basic stats and maths. BUT, you are talking about an analysis that a simple survey of consensus will not cover, lol.
Third, your constant disapproval of everyone's opinions because they lack a source is laughable at best.
Fourth, the world's a lot bigger than just your screen.
It shows what PvP games are really all about, and no, it's not about more realism and immersion. It's about cowards hiding behind a screen to they can bully other defenseless players without any risk of direct retaliation like there would be if they acted like asshats in "real life". -Jean-Luc_Picard
Life itself is a game. So why shouldn't your game be ruined? - justmemyselfandi