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abortions.... yes or no?
burningatta
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What do you think of abortions and please explain why you agree with them or dont agree with them.
i personally hate them. just how they do it and the fact that they're killing a person. Please state ur opinion about them here.
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I'm against abortion because we have people who can take away your child and invade your life and everything for disciplining them, yet those people will allow a mother to murder her baby because it's "her personal business"
Personally I see it at this: People have abortions because they either don't want the child, or it turns out the child is going to be disabled or some sort of thing where they can't take care of the child. Well let's say they have the child, and at 10 or so the child received a disability, are you going to murder it? Is it totally different now that the child is just a couple years older? Does that make it a different person? A different human being?
Commandment 6 has more meaning than the skin my friends.
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well China does it... cuz they are running out of space, land, food, ect.
but im still against it, if done incorrectly the woman can get a very bad infection and not be fertile, in pain for like ever, or even die....
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I smell a troll...
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A hot topic where not doubt someone will start getting out of hand but here are my thoughts as a female.
First some interesting and must read statistics if your going to talk about abortion are here http://www.rainn.org/statistics.html.
Abreviated version of this, every 2 & 1/2 minutes in America someone is sexually assulted, an overwhelming percentage of these crimes are directed towards young women to a point where 1 in every 6 female will experience either partial or complete rape in her life. Rougly, 60% - 65% of these rapes end in volitile pregnancies.
Regardless of what you think about abortion for many of the reasons it may occure, if you've ever doubted that qualified caring professionals are needed for this kind of work, speak with a girl that's gone through it or is going through it, actually listen to her and see if you can open your heart to what so many of us go through.
Besides that, as a female, I simply feel that no government, law or man has the right to say what I can and cannot do with my body, regardless of their religious or political affiliation.
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Religion has no place in deciding health care. When it does, you don't need abortion, enough people die from lack of care, or "mistreatment" because their religion has taboos againt, surgury, blood, medicine.
For abortion, its the individuals right to choose, but I think after a fetus begins to have a degree of intelligent brain activity, it should not be aborted. Before the flamers start, if you consider conception the moment of true sentient life, stop masterbating, your killing millions.
you're missing the point, in the last line of your post you mention that, yet if you were to leave it there without doing anything it would not form a baby. Abortions destroy an object that if left alone WOULD become a human, no doubt about it.
and the concept of religion in this case ( <===please, take note of that) is a centralized thought for civilization to provide morals and ethics, not as a way of destruction. Learn from the morals and ethics, and if you are athiest anyway (not saying you are, which you might be..I really don't care, but if you are anyway) learn from the morals and ethics of culminated central thoughts for society, not as a "conform and obey, never question authority" mindset. And in this case the morals and ethics are evidently obvious, but at the same time we're choosing not to follow them...
funny how this world works.
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First I'll start off by saying I don't see this thread lasting long, but as long as it stays clean and civil we'll let it run, but threads like this never stay that way long...
Back on topic though I'm completely pro-choice, as long as it's for the right reasons. Which I know is hard to determine in most cases. I don't feel that abortion should be used as a form of birth control, but in cases of rape and such then I definitely feel it should be an option. A very close friend of mine was very violently raped at the age of 15 and it resulted in a pregnancy. She got an abortion, which I feel was the ONLY possible option/solution. The actual incident was hard enough on her, to this day 10 years later she still has panic attacks and such from it, I couldn't imagine if she had had to carry the resulting child to term, being reminded of the horror that she went through on that night every single minute for the 9 months following. Not to mention only being 15 at the time... Cases like this are what make me question the intelligence and sanity of someone who is absolutely pro-life and doesn't believe there is ever a case where abortion should be allowed.
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I could care less, if the mother doesnt want to care for a child and want to get the abortion, then its her decision.
This reminds of that Sienfeld episode.
This is really not a topic that should be discussed. Why? Mainly because it's such a heated topic for one, not to mention this is the internet. Arguing on here is like beating a mime. No matter how hard you hit your target, it doesn't make a sound :P
Seriously though. The abortion discussion is one that will cause the best of friends to become bitter enemies, and enemies flock to your side, depending on your stance. The biggest reasons why people are pro-life is because of religions. The biggest reason why people are pro-choice is feminism. Let me explain that comment. Feminism at it's core is about women having equal rights and choices like men. As such, the "My body, my choice" slogan came into play in the 90's and is still here today. In my opinion, abortion is not a moral issue, but a medical one. With all the babies in foster care and adoption agencies, adoption isn't quite the option it once was. At the same time, some women use abortions as a form of birth control. I personally know someone who does. In all honesty, I think it's up to each individual person to decide what to do in that situation. It's NOT anyone's place to jam their opinions, be it pro-choice or pro-life down ANYONE'S throats, nor is it ok to become an extremist and start bombing abortion clincs because women are going there for that procedure. If you're pro-life, great. Keep it to yourself and don't share. If you're pro-choice, buy a few bullet-proof vests, as the pro-life extremists have already said they'll take abortion doctor's lives, and the lives of patients who go to have the procedure done.
someone who is absolutely pro-life is different from someone who would allow an abortion in a case as the one you stated. In the part I represent most people are absolutely pro-life because abortion is being used as a form of birth control, but not "absolutely" as you stated it. Of course rape is a whole different case where there is a huge trauma involved. By all means that is a different case from some teenager sleeping around and getting abortions because she "can't support the child".
If she gets pregnant by her own choice and "can't support the child" well, whose fault is it? If she gets pregnant unintentionally (as in the sexual intercourse was unintentional) and she really "can't support the child", that is acceptable.
Obvoiusly I'm stating my opinions as facts, but they are in all manners still opinions.
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So Murt, out of spite, you say that if a girl gets pregnant and wants an abortion, she deserved it? You have so much to learn, Murt.
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This is really not a topic that should be discussed.
why not? its a part of life and we should be able to talk about it without getting nasty or getting inapropriate what have you
remember, a very wise man never plays leapfrog with a unicorn
Actually I think you have much to learn on how to read posts
My point is that it is a girl's responsibility on how she handles herself. Her morals, her ethics, and the way she carries herself in everyday life. Now if she does choose to have intercourse and get pregnant, she has no right to murder - for she created it out of her choice.
No one has any right to say "you deserve it" talking about a human life. It is a life that has been created and now must be tended to. Not a consequence. If she can't take care of it let the government, but do not murder something that came out of your choice.
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You just contradicted yourself, Murt.
You say the girl has a responsibility. Some girls would think that it would be responsible to have an abortion. This goes all the way back to pro-choice, which is what you opposed.
"Whoever controls the media controls the mind..-'Jim Morrison"
"When decorum is repression, the only dignity free men have is to speak out." ~Abbie Hoffman
bull, in which way? I've kept my point from the beginning, read my first post in this thread, I made reference to commadment 6.
and I've stuck to that argument, you're just screwing up what I'm saying to get your way...in no way did I contradict myself.
go back and re-read please.
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Would you rather the women let the baby be born, when they have enough trouble supporting themselves? The child could become a hobo on the street when he grows up a bit, or he could become some serial killer because of the way he was raised.
Or would you rather the women have an abortion on a fetus that barely has any feelings?
Rather short-term pain than long-term, the way I see it.
I really don't have an opinion on this. But a quote comes to mind whenever I hear this argument.
"The more defenseless a creature is, the more it is entitled to our protection."
I don't say I agree with it nor am I taking a side... just throwing that out there.
I'm pro-life
Only exception: girl gets raped or incest or there is 100% irrefutable proof that having the child will result in death of the mother.
Other than that, I'm pro-life
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Is that that kind of proof possible, even in theory?
Would you rather the women let the baby be born, when they have enough trouble supporting themselves? The child could become a hobo on the street when he grows up a bit, or he could become some serial killer because of the way he was raised.
Or would you rather the women have an abortion on a fetus that barely has any feelings?
Rather short-term pain than long-term, the way I see it.
A life is a life, what is the child becomes something more then this or could of become something more..
I'm pro-life. Abortion is really no better then murder. The baby shouldn't have to pay for the woman's irresponsible and careless choice.
remember, a very wise man never plays leapfrog with a unicorn