I'm Predicting A Video Game Crash For One Simple Reason

Axehilt

CrazKanuk said:

Just for some additional context to that, in 2014 the numbers for the LoL WC were down to 27 million, but it was still higher than the viewership of any other North American sports final, by nearly double. 
World Series: 15.8 Million
NBA Championship: 15.5 Million
World Cup (in North America): 26.5 Million
Daytona 500: 9.3 million

Don't know what it means, just interesting.

Not quite all of them (Superbowl, 114 million).

But yes, the point remains that games are becoming more mainstream yearly and are already extremely popular.

Also we should compare things fairly; the numbers we've cited for League are almost certainly worldwide numbers, and comparing them against North American sports isn't exactly apples to apples.

Yanocchi

During the worst period of the financial crisis in 2008-2009 some news sources wrote that gaming industry had continued to sell well, while other industries had suffered. They assumed that more people started to turn to gaming as their financial situation deteriorated because gaming was cheaper than some other hobbies.

Flyte27

nariusseldon said:

Flyte27 said:

The ironic part of this thread is all the people saying to work hard, study, etc,m and the majority of the people in the other threads are saying video games need to be as easy and convenient as possible to accommodate them.

What is the problem? You don't think work and study is like entertainment do you?

Now i have admit .. some jobs are like a hobby (like research) but still .. you have to do what must be done to move ahead.

Entertainment .. not so much. If i am not enjoying any entertainment product for whatever reason (inconvenience, demand too much time ...), is there a good reason why i need to bear with it? I don't think so.

I guess some people like to have some work in their entertainment.  Otherwise early games wouldn't have been as successful as they were.  EQ was like a job IMO, but I still enjoyed it at the time.

nariusseldon

Flyte27 said:

I guess some people like to have some work in their entertainment.  Otherwise early games wouldn't have been as successful as they were.  EQ was like a job IMO, but I still enjoyed it at the time.

SOME people like to have SOME work in their entertainment. 

So work in entertainment should be optional ... unless you want to cater to people who want ALL work in their entertainment. 

And it is only *some* people who like that. Is there a problem for others to work hard but want their entertainment convenient? 

Horusra

Yanocchi said:

During the worst period of the financial crisis in 2008-2009 some news sources wrote that gaming industry had continued to sell well, while other industries had suffered. They assumed that more people started to turn to gaming as their financial situation deteriorated because gaming was cheaper than some other hobbies.

cheaper than drinking.

eye_m

I don't think the gaming industry will crash because of a tighter economic belt. I game because I can't afford trips abroad. I game because I can't afford to spend each night at the movies. I game because things that are more expensive become out of my reach. There is a whole lot of economic downturn that has to happen before I will not be able to afford to spend the little amount that gaming costs me. Not to mention, if I can't afford to game, I have a ton of free time to get a second job.

Waterlily

The job losses in the West are self inflicted by politicians.

-trade pacts, they only help corporations
-allowing companies to ship jobs overseas
-mass migration into the West
-worker VISAS for half of China

You're no longer competing against your neighbour next door, you're now competing with some guy in India working for $1 / hour and the foreign exchange student from China who's far better at math than you are.

The only jobs that are protected from this, tend to be female dominated jobs, healthcare and schooling, neither can be shipped overseas.

However, I predict major troubles for male dominated desk jobs like computer science. That guy in India knows how to program too, and he does it for $1 an hour.

Krimzin

Distopia said:

psiic said:

Krimzin said:

Razeekster said:

My generation is broke and underpaid.

I'm 22, working at Dunkin Donuts for the measly wage of $7.50 an hour. I'm working with people with freaking 4+ years of college around my age (20-25) who can't get work in their fields, and so they're working at bloody Dunkin Donuts for $7.50 an hour (a lot of them with kids too, paying off college debts). I JUST am finally getting internet in my apartment after almost 4 months.

The bottom line is that most of my generation cannot afford $60 games, and when we're up to bat (so to speak) we will not be able to afford to keep the game industry alive unless wages have been raised.

It's really too bad, but the world has turned into a place of rampant greed and the rot is now bleeding into video games too.

Your generation is broke because you choose to be. You have time to play games you have time to go to school or get a second job. Being successful isn't easy. Being successful is about sacrifice. So you cant find a solid job in your area. Move. Example, Amazon.com is hiring 2000 workers in TX for $15/hr to start. 

The golden rule, don't bitch about your problems until you have a solution. 

If you truly wanted to do better you would. You are content with how much you work vs how much you earn so you want to group others into your situation to make yourself feel better. Truth is that there are a lot of 22 year old men and women making much more of their lives than you are choosing to do. Instead of whining about it on a forum, make a change.

Change your attitude, Change your life.

Very well said. 

Why do people make it out that it's so easy to just up and move? you need to be able to afford to do that, Simply moving from one area in Maryland to another cost a very hefty sum for my wife and I, moving across the country for 15 bucks an hour? LMAO...good point indeed..

I agree you need to work hard to get by, that's the extent of any point there..

Sounds to me like all you are looking for is an easy fix. Nothing in life is easy. 
As for my statement about Amazon, for someone making $7/hr  going to $15 is huge. With that said, it was just an example. For someone who has a wife and kids it is a whole different animal. ANYONE, can better their situation if they truly want to. For most people its easier to just bitch about what you don't have and find a place to lay the blame.

Flyte27

Waterlily said:

The job losses in the West are self inflicted by politicians.

-trade pacts, they only help corporations
-allowing companies to ship jobs overseas
-mass migration into the West
-worker VISAS for half of China

You're no longer competing against your neighbour next door, you're now competing with some guy in India working for $1 / hour and the foreign exchange student from China who's far better at math than you are.

The only jobs that are protected from this, tend to be female dominated jobs, healthcare and schooling, neither can be shipped overseas.

However, I predict major troubles for male dominated desk jobs like computer science. That guy in India knows how to program too, and he does it for $1 an hour.

Some jobs are better off over seas.  Look at how many pollution issues China has from factories.  India has a very poor quality of living.  There is also a huge issue with communication.

Slapshot1188

Remember when JFK said "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country"?

How far we have fallen when his party's rallying cry is now "Ask not what you can do for yourself, but what you can be given by your country"

nariusseldon

Slapshot1188 said:

Remember when JFK said "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country"?

How far we have fallen when his party's rallying cry is now "Ask not what you can do for yourself, but what you can be given by your country"

hmm .. what does this have to do with video games?

NorseGod

nariusseldon said:

Slapshot1188 said:

Remember when JFK said "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country"?

How far we have fallen when his party's rallying cry is now "Ask not what you can do for yourself, but what you can be given by your country"

hmm .. what does this have to do with video games?

Asked the guy who advocates for free games and stuff given to him without paying for or earning it.

 

Razeekster

mark2123 said:

@Razeekster

Final piece of advice to you.  I don't think you are appreciating the feedback and replies you are getting on this thread and clearly you are putting a lot of time and energy into responding. 

My suggestion would be that if you really want to change your life and get out of Dunkin Donuts, you walk away from this thread now and put every spare minute of your life into gaining more qualifications and applying for your 'better' job. 

Any time not spent trying to put yourself up out of this situation that you feel you are in is going to be lost to you forever - and I don't think this threat is going to be any more productive for you.  250 posts on it means you've heard it all now.

Yes some people have been really helpful others have just accused me of asking for handouts because I want a wage that is actually livable. I'm not asking for $15 an hour. I'm asking for a living wage and yes, I do believe everyone deserves one no matter what job they have because someone has to do these jobs, why should they be forced to scrape by doing them? 

I am going into computers or counseling either way... Have yet to decide though I'm leaning to counseling because it'd be nice to think I could help people feel better instead of putting them down like so much of the world does to others. Nice but probably idealistic which is why I'm not sure yet.

Baitness

Games have already adjusted to this.  F2P with microtransactions end up costing you more in the long run, but in small enough portions that your limited wallet doesn't impede your spending.

Razeekster

Loke666 said:

Gdemami said:

Distopia said:

Why do people make it out that it's so easy to just up and move? you need to be able to afford to do that, Simply moving from one area in Maryland to another cost a very hefty sum for my wife and I, moving across the country for 15 bucks an hour? LMAO...good point indeed..

I agree you need to work hard to get by, that's the extent of any point there..

Because it is easy. It is just a matter whether you are willing to do what it takes.

All you need to move out is big bag and a money for a bus ticket, you can even hitchhike...

Moving is actually pretty hard, but not really for economical reasons. The social aspect like moving away from friends to a place you don't really know is harder, I moved 300 clicks north myself this summer to a place I only passed through a time or 2 before for a work. Lucky for me they have a P&P club so I already have plenty of new friends but if your shy it must be really tough.

Flyte27 said:

The ironic part of this thread is all the people saying to work hard, study, etc,m and the majority of the people in the other threads are saying video games need to be as easy and convenient as possible to accommodate them.

Well, personally I do like challenging games but I can understand that people who have a really hard work they spend most their time on might want to play to relax instead of challenging themselves like I enjoy... It really isn't that illogical if you think about it.

That is my problem. I have no family since I'm from another country (and don't even know who my family was in the other country I moved from), and no friends here. In Maine I've noticed more and more that social connections seem to be a large part of the job gain, meaning it's way tougher for outsiders. It's lonely but I try my best, trying to get a job at a call center now since they pay more.

NorseGod

Razeekster said:

mark2123 said:

@Razeekster

Yes some people have been really helpful others have just accused me of asking for handouts because I want a wage that is actually livable. I'm not asking for $15 an hour. I'm asking for a living wage and yes, I do believe everyone deserves one no matter what job they have because someone has to do these jobs, why should they be forced to scrape by doing them? 

I am going into computers or counseling either way... Have yet to decide though I'm leaning to counseling because it'd be nice to think I could help people feel better instead of putting them down like so much of the world does to others. Nice but probably idealistic which is why I'm not sure yet.

Computers or Counselling? Where's the "You chose poorly" meme?

Dude, IT is saturated with unemployed techs which is driving salary down bigtime. Their jobs went overseas. In some cases, they were FORCED to train their H1B1 visa replacements (illegal to do btw). If you're lucky enough to even find an IT job after school with no experience, you get crap pay, and you will be responsible for things that other IT departments use to do before they were laid off.

You're going to be doing the jobs of 3-4 engineers, web designer/admin, server admin, light programming, and get paid as a desktop support tier 1 nobody. That's like 600K of salary worth of jobs you'll be paid $24k to do. When you look for something better, they will tell you that you lack experience. You will always be at the teir 1 position in IT.

Counselling? lol If that's your thing, but maybe you can get your old job at Dunken Donuts back after you graduate. Because that's where those types of majors end up to work.

You need to research where there is a shortage and what will be needed 20 years from now.

Healthcare will never go away. I would start there. It's meaningful and good pay.

Archlyte

Keep working toward your own goals, and don't confuse their lives with your own. The education is great, but you have to be able to make it work for you. 

Razeekster

NorseGod said:

Razeekster said:

mark2123 said:

@Razeekster

Yes some people have been really helpful others have just accused me of asking for handouts because I want a wage that is actually livable. I'm not asking for $15 an hour. I'm asking for a living wage and yes, I do believe everyone deserves one no matter what job they have because someone has to do these jobs, why should they be forced to scrape by doing them? 

I am going into computers or counseling either way... Have yet to decide though I'm leaning to counseling because it'd be nice to think I could help people feel better instead of putting them down like so much of the world does to others. Nice but probably idealistic which is why I'm not sure yet.

Computers or Counselling? Where's the "You chose poorly" meme?

Dude, IT is saturated with unemployed techs which is driving salary down bigtime. Their jobs went overseas. In some cases, they were FORCED to train their H1B1 visa replacements (illegal to do btw). If you're lucky enough to even find an IT job after school with no experience, you get crap pay, and you will be responsible for things that other IT departments use to do before they were laid off.

You're going to be doing the jobs of 3-4 engineers, web designer/admin, server admin, light programming, and get paid as a desktop support tier 1 nobody. That's like 600K of salary worth of jobs you'll be paid $24k to do. When you look for something better, they will tell you that you lack experience. You will always be at the teir 1 position in IT.

Counselling? lol If that's your thing, but maybe you can get your old job at Dunken Donuts back after you graduate. Because that's where those types of majors end up to work.

You need to research where there is a shortage and what will be needed 20 years from now.

Healthcare will never go away. I would start there. It's meaningful and good pay.

Or maybe I want to do a job that I actually enjoy as long as the wage is livable. I don't need $20-$30 an hour to live, $10-$15 is an hour is fine for me. Also there's a lot to do with computers besides IT. I was leaning more towards building them as I know someone who does that and makes very good money plus I already do that as a hobby anyways.

Also, I don't understand your comment directed at counseling. I'd be counseling on things that I'd gone through myself so it'd actually be a lot more fulfilling than just doing a job you hate. I assure you too, that there is a definitely job market for counselors. It seems like you don't even realize that there are many different types of counselors than just your one run-of-the-mill couch therapist.

In fact it's actually a field that is expanding due to more sub-categories and new and different wants being needed to be filled for people out there.

Slapshot1188

Razeekster said:

NorseGod said:

Razeekster said:

mark2123 said:

@Razeekster

Yes some people have been really helpful others have just accused me of asking for handouts because I want a wage that is actually livable. I'm not asking for $15 an hour. I'm asking for a living wage and yes, I do believe everyone deserves one no matter what job they have because someone has to do these jobs, why should they be forced to scrape by doing them? 

I am going into computers or counseling either way... Have yet to decide though I'm leaning to counseling because it'd be nice to think I could help people feel better instead of putting them down like so much of the world does to others. Nice but probably idealistic which is why I'm not sure yet.

Computers or Counselling? Where's the "You chose poorly" meme?

Dude, IT is saturated with unemployed techs which is driving salary down bigtime. Their jobs went overseas. In some cases, they were FORCED to train their H1B1 visa replacements (illegal to do btw). If you're lucky enough to even find an IT job after school with no experience, you get crap pay, and you will be responsible for things that other IT departments use to do before they were laid off.

You're going to be doing the jobs of 3-4 engineers, web designer/admin, server admin, light programming, and get paid as a desktop support tier 1 nobody. That's like 600K of salary worth of jobs you'll be paid $24k to do. When you look for something better, they will tell you that you lack experience. You will always be at the teir 1 position in IT.

Counselling? lol If that's your thing, but maybe you can get your old job at Dunken Donuts back after you graduate. Because that's where those types of majors end up to work.

You need to research where there is a shortage and what will be needed 20 years from now.

Healthcare will never go away. I would start there. It's meaningful and good pay.

Or maybe I want to do a job that I actually enjoy as long as the wage is livable. I don't need $20-$30 an hour to live, $10-$15 is an hour is fine for me. Also there's a lot to do with computers besides IT. I was leaning more towards building them as I know someone who does that and makes very good money plus I already do that as a hobby anyways.

Also, I don't understand your comment directed at counseling. I'd be counseling on things that I'd gone through myself so it'd actually be a lot more fulfilling than just doing a job you hate. I assure you too, that there is a definitely job market for counselors. It seems like you don't even realize that there are many different types of counselors than just your one run-of-the-mill couch therapist.

In fact it's actually a field that is expanding due to more sub-categories and new and different wants being needed to be filled for people out there.

If you are such an expert in the job market, why are you working at Dunkin Donuts and complaining on a gaming message board about how your whole generation has no prospects...  

Looks like you answered your own question.  Now go become a counselor, develop some kind of marketable skill and get your "living wage".  

NorseGod

Razeekster said:

NorseGod said:

Razeekster said:

mark2123 said:

@Razeekster

Yes some people have been really helpful others have just accused me of asking for handouts because I want a wage that is actually livable. I'm not asking for $15 an hour. I'm asking for a living wage and yes, I do believe everyone deserves one no matter what job they have because someone has to do these jobs, why should they be forced to scrape by doing them? 

I am going into computers or counseling either way... Have yet to decide though I'm leaning to counseling because it'd be nice to think I could help people feel better instead of putting them down like so much of the world does to others. Nice but probably idealistic which is why I'm not sure yet.

Computers or Counselling? Where's the "You chose poorly" meme?

Dude, IT is saturated with unemployed techs which is driving salary down bigtime. Their jobs went overseas. In some cases, they were FORCED to train their H1B1 visa replacements (illegal to do btw). If you're lucky enough to even find an IT job after school with no experience, you get crap pay, and you will be responsible for things that other IT departments use to do before they were laid off.

You're going to be doing the jobs of 3-4 engineers, web designer/admin, server admin, light programming, and get paid as a desktop support tier 1 nobody. That's like 600K of salary worth of jobs you'll be paid $24k to do. When you look for something better, they will tell you that you lack experience. You will always be at the teir 1 position in IT.

Counselling? lol If that's your thing, but maybe you can get your old job at Dunken Donuts back after you graduate. Because that's where those types of majors end up to work.

You need to research where there is a shortage and what will be needed 20 years from now.

Healthcare will never go away. I would start there. It's meaningful and good pay.

Or maybe I want to do a job that I actually enjoy as long as the wage is livable. I don't need $20-$30 an hour to live, $10-$15 is an hour is fine for me. Also there's a lot to do with computers besides IT. I was leaning more towards building them as I know someone who does that and makes very good money plus I already do that as a hobby anyways.

Also, I don't understand your comment directed at counseling. I'd be counseling on things that I'd gone through myself so it'd actually be a lot more fulfilling than just doing a job you hate. I assure you too, that there is a definitely job market for counselors. It seems like you don't even realize that there are many different types of counselors than just your one run-of-the-mill couch therapist.

In fact it's actually a field that is expanding due to more sub-categories and new and different wants being needed to be filled for people out there.

Ok. You may be right about that. No sense waking up every day hating your job. Be realistic about it though.

If you want to ever retire, you might want to look into a good paying job. I know I can survive off $6k per year. What happens when you're 65? Or if you have kids?

I'm really not a dick. You should be looking at these things from all angles. Especially others experience. That's how I became semi-successful. I observed other peoples mistakes and learned from them. Yeah, I'm not a millionaire. I won't retire before 50 (I would be bored anyways). But I have no worries at all. I don't have to worry if there will still be social security around when I turn 65.

What I said about those to fields remains true. Talk to others in that field, both employed and unemployed. Listen to what they have to say.

Just try it man, is all that I'm saying. Because nobody is going to look out for you. And, you can't always blame companies for being greedy about pay. It just doesn't make sense to pay more than what that person is worth. You'll understand this clearly one day. Sooner, if you become self-employed and hire others or sub-contractors.

Anyways. Take your time. Do research. Actually go to businesses in person and talk to people. Have a list of questions ready. Ask them if there is anything you should know that you didn't think to ask. 

While you are figuring that all out and you want to go to school. Go to a community college. Make sure any class you take is transferable. Finish a General Studies A.S. or A.A. By then, you'll know what you want to do as a major. And finish your degree at state or university. Because nobody gives a shit about the name of the college you went to any more. No sense in being in debt because you wanted to impress your friends with a degree from Yale. When it counts, nobody cares. Same goes for GPA.

Burntvet

The crash in MMORPGs already happened: most of the big players are out of the MMORPG business in any meaningful way for future fully funded titles, which only leaves pie-in-the-sky underfunded indies, P2W Asian imports, and crowdfunded scamware that does not deliver.

Console games seem to be doing quite well, including big releases (Fallout 4 sold how many million copies?), and there are more mobile crap games around than ever, so that sector is doing fine as well.


So whatever crash was coming, has already hit. It just won't and can't hit everything.

holdenhamlet

OP, you may not be doing great financially (join the club- me neither!), but there are tons of people with tons of highly disposable income nowadays.  The big recession is pretty much over, many people are doing really really well financially.

People spending hundreds or thousands on one game is not at all unheard of nowadays.

That's not to mention that video games are making gobs of cash, especially the most sucessful ones.  Hell, even just IDEAS for videogames on kickstarter are making millions.

fivoroth

Razeekster said:

nariusseldon said:

lol .. with steam, and lots of indie development, you think video game market is going to crash?

Not for another 10 years most likely, but I'm very certain it will happen.

Once most of my generation finally gets the boot from their parents homes, once everyone's college loans start needing to be paid off, and once people realize that they better save every last penny they can because we're going to be underpaid for a while more... then yes. There will be another video game crash.

Most gamers now seem to be in their 30s+. From what I've personally seen and experienced, most people my age aren't spending money on video games even though it's now something that is by far way more socially acceptable than it ever used to be.

You are overgeneralising  I fall in the 20-25 category and I got my degree and I work in corporate finance and I am earning very well. Next year I will probably get 10-20k pay bump. Looking at all the people who attended the same business school as me they are working in banks, financial services or consulting firms and they are all earning way more than the average for the country with great career prospects.

what did you do at college? ;F

The annoying bit is that there is so much to learn and doing these finance qualifications really destroys your social life, top it up with long hours and making your clients happy and it's stressful but at least you earn well and you learn all the time

fivoroth

NorseGod said:

Razeekster said:

NorseGod said:

Razeekster said:

mark2123 said:

@Razeekster

Yes some people have been really helpful others have just accused me of asking for handouts because I want a wage that is actually livable. I'm not asking for $15 an hour. I'm asking for a living wage and yes, I do believe everyone deserves one no matter what job they have because someone has to do these jobs, why should they be forced to scrape by doing them? 

I am going into computers or counseling either way... Have yet to decide though I'm leaning to counseling because it'd be nice to think I could help people feel better instead of putting them down like so much of the world does to others. Nice but probably idealistic which is why I'm not sure yet.

Computers or Counselling? Where's the "You chose poorly" meme?

Dude, IT is saturated with unemployed techs which is driving salary down bigtime. Their jobs went overseas. In some cases, they were FORCED to train their H1B1 visa replacements (illegal to do btw). If you're lucky enough to even find an IT job after school with no experience, you get crap pay, and you will be responsible for things that other IT departments use to do before they were laid off.

You're going to be doing the jobs of 3-4 engineers, web designer/admin, server admin, light programming, and get paid as a desktop support tier 1 nobody. That's like 600K of salary worth of jobs you'll be paid $24k to do. When you look for something better, they will tell you that you lack experience. You will always be at the teir 1 position in IT.

Counselling? lol If that's your thing, but maybe you can get your old job at Dunken Donuts back after you graduate. Because that's where those types of majors end up to work.

You need to research where there is a shortage and what will be needed 20 years from now.

Healthcare will never go away. I would start there. It's meaningful and good pay.

Or maybe I want to do a job that I actually enjoy as long as the wage is livable. I don't need $20-$30 an hour to live, $10-$15 is an hour is fine for me. Also there's a lot to do with computers besides IT. I was leaning more towards building them as I know someone who does that and makes very good money plus I already do that as a hobby anyways.

Also, I don't understand your comment directed at counseling. I'd be counseling on things that I'd gone through myself so it'd actually be a lot more fulfilling than just doing a job you hate. I assure you too, that there is a definitely job market for counselors. It seems like you don't even realize that there are many different types of counselors than just your one run-of-the-mill couch therapist.

In fact it's actually a field that is expanding due to more sub-categories and new and different wants being needed to be filled for people out there.

Ok. You may be right about that. No sense waking up every day hating your job. Be realistic about it though.

If you want to ever retire, you might want to look into a good paying job. I know I can survive off $6k per year. What happens when you're 65? Or if you have kids?

I'm really not a dick. You should be looking at these things from all angles. Especially others experience. That's how I became semi-successful. I observed other peoples mistakes and learned from them. Yeah, I'm not a millionaire. I won't retire before 50 (I would be bored anyways). But I have no worries at all. I don't have to worry if there will still be social security around when I turn 65.

What I said about those to fields remains true. Talk to others in that field, both employed and unemployed. Listen to what they have to say.

Just try it man, is all that I'm saying. Because nobody is going to look out for you. And, you can't always blame companies for being greedy about pay. It just doesn't make sense to pay more than what that person is worth. You'll understand this clearly one day. Sooner, if you become self-employed and hire others or sub-contractors.

Anyways. Take your time. Do research. Actually go to businesses in person and talk to people. Have a list of questions ready. Ask them if there is anything you should know that you didn't think to ask. 

While you are figuring that all out and you want to go to school. Go to a community college. Make sure any class you take is transferable. Finish a General Studies A.S. or A.A. By then, you'll know what you want to do as a major. And finish your degree at state or university. Because nobody gives a shit about the name of the college you went to any more. No sense in being in debt because you wanted to impress your friends with a degree from Yale. When it counts, nobody cares. Same goes for GPA.

Name of uni can have a bit impact. Especially depends on your degree and the kind of things that employers look for. 

i don't think industry is that important it's the skills he develops. What's valued and will be valued in the future at the more senior positions is your soft skills and people skills. you don't get to become an executive by being the most technical person in the room.

Industries which are unlikely to be going away any time in the future include health care, oil, financial services, etc. There industries have massive organisations which have been around for hundreds of years.

Technology firms appear out of no where, grow fast but just as they grew quickly they can disappear just as quick.

l2avism

Why am I reading the same ole bs.
Are you fools telling this guy to go back to college after he's already racked up college debt to work at Duncan Donuts?

This isn't the 1990's. You can't just go to school and automatically get a job when you get out. That train has left the station. The unemployment rate for college educated youth is above 30%.
Most employers don't even hire graduates if they don't have 3 years of work experience even for entry level jobs.