addiction and how to take advantage of people addicted to something
truly we live in a world of madness 2500$ for a pixel graphic ship ? from a game not even out ? from a game no one know yet if this will be a good game ? from a company who got 100mil or way more and they increase the delay each year ?
HOW STUPID CAN YOU BE ???!!
wanted add : i backed the games, graphic and alpha are ''okay'' so far, got easily enough money to buy all these ship they release each months but will never buy one.
hope this game release, but i hate how they take advantage of people addiction
The finish line keeps moving to a later date by CR. So who knows how long it could take, heck it was suppose to be released by now and clearly the so called game is a long way off when you really look at what they have so far.
Also every time they have a sale it seems it sells out rather fast which (I know am about to be attacked for this) again seems a lot like a money laundering scheme.
So it all really makes sense why they opened different companies in different country's.
Just keeps getting more weird by the week.
Does it? I don't think there's ever been an "official" launch date. They JUST released a S42 trailer this year which includes 2016 at the end of the trailer. That's about as close to a concrete date as things have gotten. You act like the project is anomalous, but the anomaly is actually games that ship on time. When The Witcher 3 actually leaked like 2 weeks early, there were brains exploding all over the world.
I don't know why it's so difficult for you to comprehend that the game, in it's current state, is actually being developed quite quickly. Actually, if you look at the Alpha 2 feature set and even something like ED, they are actually quite similar, if not SC might have more features. The big difference is the release plan. Full-featured, or gimped release with expansions. ED went with the gimped released with expansions. In fact, those who bought into it early bought the game and then had to buy the expansion to get the planet stuff. So the average spend per player will likely be higher than the average SC player. So which model is more criminal? I don't know. You need to spend like $60 to taste ED. $30 to taste SC.
I've also said multiple times that the companies mean absolutely nothing. Why don't you look up a how stuff works on subsidiaries. The easiest explanation is taxes. BAM! Money Laundering done.
Don't you think that an elaborate money laundering scheme is a little too complex? Do you think that hiring on 250 people and burning more money on a monthly basis than you're making is a smart move for a money launderer? I'm really sorry, but if you actually believe that a money laundering scheme is actually realistic, you should immediately drive to the hospital and check yourself into the psych ward because you're bat-shit crazy. Tell me that they are mismanaging the money. Laundering it, though? Jeeeesus! Honestly? Their spend is approaching 70-80 million for salaries and expenses at this point. Never mind these supposed money laundering expenses. It's an absolutely ridiculous theory. If that was the case, I'd call CR the stupidest criminal in history because there's no way I'd spend $10 to get a return of $9.
@CrazKanuk ; I see you didn't read the link, explains it very well, CR would need those company's for the scheme to work. But thanks for the attack, getting to be fun knowing it will come.
@CrazKanuk ; I see you didn't read the link, explains it very well, CR would need those company's for the scheme to work. But thanks for the attack, getting to be fun knowing it will come.
Not a problem. I'm always on the look out for entirely illogical or paranoid conspiracy theories. Honestly, if you actually think this will come about then you're insane, literally. If you applied the same logic, then every video game company with an office in another country would be under the same suspicions you lay out. See, when "business-as-usual" becomes "everyone is doing shady things" then the problem is you.
@CrazKanuk ; I love how you keep comparing this to other companies. You realize this is nothing like what other businesses do right? But go on give me another fabricated reason where it is like any other company and am the delusional one. ROFL!
The main part you missed out is the majority of the community, which seems no one her gives zero f**** about. This decision wasn't just because CR wanted it, it was a mutual agreement , they wanted a much better game than what he offered. Those who didn't like that idea where able to get a refund.
Could you please point me to where the community made this mutual agreement? From my perspective it happened like this:
2012 - Chris gave a target year for release of 2014 2013 - Chris stated stretch goals would not delay release 2014/2015 - All of a sudden Chris starts saying the scope changed and the release year is now 2016
I could not find any stretch goal that stated if they reached it, the scope of the game would change and its release would be delayed.
Long, long delays should be expected for a Chris Roberts game. He's been years late multiple times, and as we all know, Digital Anvil never released a single in house game in four years. It's one of the least problematic of the issues, because it comes with the territory. He's not a good project manager, and he surrounds himself with cronies. I view the real problem as all these stretch goals that got added on, with not much regard for the difficulties of implementing them. I don't expect the game as described will ever exist.
Still they have more pressure now to release something, and I expect we'll see a real buggy game pushed out the door next December. Just like they'd claim one of those nasty ol' publishers would've made them do.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
Completely wrong. Why would they leave when theyre still able to sell 2500 ships?
Trust me theyll bleed another 50 million at least before this is over. Because time is money and they (and the sheep) will justify it as salaries or whatever. If theyre spending 30 mil on salaries (numbers I have seen quoted) then they havent made enough to pay people yet let alone produce the game. WHY they need to pay that much is another argument, but it gives them the ammunition to keep trying to 'raise' more money.
These guys I am sure expect to double that 100 million, and they more than likely expect not to have to produce anything more than they already have.
Now they might improve on their tech demo (that theyre trying to pas off as an alpha 2 product) to keep the charade going but its highly unlikely we will get anything more than that. Maybe a few more production videos and cut seen animations described as 'in game video'.
They wont stop selling ships until peopel stop buying them. The time when that happens is directly proportionate to the stupidity of humanity, so by that definiton they can do it forever.
Completley wrong how...? Because i think you underestimates what it costs to run a company. Heck that is one of the few things i actually give mr Smart some credit for... Even with all this they are are not exactly swimming in money McDuck style. In fact if you look at it salaries alone eat a substantial chunk of the money, then you have the physical spaces, licenses and hardware. Support and storage... As i said it would have been much easier to actually just make the game they first suggested, sell some extra ships on top of that and pocket the difference if they wanted to just milk it. But no.... Instead we had a feature creep like no other... That to me (from experience) is the textbook sign of someone who has more heart than mind in a project.
Buy you are right in that they will continue to sell ships (at least until they launch, but the common ships will probably be on thew market for real money even after release.) because that... is... their... business model. Much like WoT/Warthunder/MW:O and the Crew. But it is ot a infinite source of money unless they constantly update the offerings. And that in it self actually cost a lot of money when you put the bar as high as they do with the ships.
As i said.... KS backers might have a reason to complain due to the shift in deadlines... But to sit there and piss about "stupid people spend money on stupid things" that is just childish.
We all have stupid passion projects (and should you lack such a thing i feel honestly sorry for you and your barren soul) and as pointed out in this very thread... Most people in SC have paid about the cost of a new console game... So it is not like they sold their house to get in. And the eople who pay more, well they have the money and it is not like they are funding a drug cartel, heck combined to most other luxury consumption it is dirt cheap and very environmentally friendly.
TL:DR: Companies cost money to run, SC is not a very efficent way to milk the customers, we are taught to feel happy when we shop, Chris Roberts is nor Pablo Escobar Jr.
Do you ridicule someone who pays as much for a high performance car part as well? A hobby is a hobby, some people have that kind of money to spend and their hobbies.
Lol, you not comparing apples to apples there genius. That would be like paying for a concept of a car, that could or could not be made.
Sure at this time most fo these cars have at least some units shipped. But at one point.. people bught them based on a promise and some technical sheets and artist renderings.
LOL in the end you get an actual car, to where you get a digital ship, that is IF the game releases. Time will tell.
Plus, then you get to sue if they take your money and you don't get the car at the end, or it is a non-running POS.
But not when "paying" up to $1000s of dollars for pixels in a game that does not exist yet.
The finish line keeps moving to a later date by CR. So who knows how long it could take, heck it was suppose to be released by now and clearly the so called game is a long way off when you really look at what they have so far.
Also every time they have a sale it seems it sells out rather fast which (I know am about to be attacked for this) again seems a lot like a money laundering scheme.
So it all really makes sense why they opened different companies in different country's.
Just keeps getting more weird by the week.
I don't know why it's so difficult for you to comprehend that the game, in it's current state, is actually being developed quite quickly. Actually, if you look at the Alpha 2 feature set and even something like ED, they are actually quite similar, if not SC might have more features. The big difference is the release plan. Full-featured, or gimped release with expansions. ED went with the gimped released with expansions. In fact, those who bought into it early bought the game and then had to buy the expansion to get the planet stuff. So the average spend per player will likely be higher than the average SC player. So which model is more criminal? I don't know. You need to spend like $60 to taste ED. $30 to taste SC.
Gonna be honest: I'm looking at E:D and Frontier as a much better/honest developer than CR and company due to this phased release. At least those backing E:D have something very substantial to show for it. Oh, and they never asked for thousands of dollars per ship skin. So there's that, too.
I havent given SC a dime and I dont plan to and I dont plan ever to spend $1000 on a virtual ship .
HOWEVER! I have to say I understand spending $2000 on a virtual ship more than I understand a $2000 vacation to Las Vegas.
Well, that's like comparing rotten apples to outdated mayonnaise.
Neither are a good use of money. However, at least with one you have the chance, however small, to make a return on investment. The other, you get a ship that you literally can't even prove exists to anyone who doesn't play SC (if and when if releases).
I havent given SC a dime and I dont plan to and I dont plan ever to spend $1000 on a virtual ship .
HOWEVER! I have to say I understand spending $2000 on a virtual ship more than I understand a $2000 vacation to Las Vegas.
Well, that's like comparing rotten apples to outdated mayonnaise.
Neither are a good use of money. However, at least with one you have the chance, however small, to make a return on investment. The other, you get a ship that you literally can't even prove exists to anyone who doesn't play SC (if and when if releases).
Fine! A $2000 trip to Wyoming then.
Either way, I think it's been established quite thoroughly that value is subjective and if that's what someone finds value in then all the power to them. People aren't idiots for spending their money the way they want, it's called being individuals.
We're basically arguing over the 1% (maybe 3%) of people who have even spent that much. We're acting like whales driving game revenues is something new.
Star Citizen is fine. At worst it will be a grand tech demo that shows the makings of a good Space Sim, along with having it's own persistent universe. At best it will be a AAA game that merges FPS moments seemlessly with space ship fighting.
I have to say I understand spending $2000 on a virtual ship more than I understand a $2000 vacation to Las Vegas.
The other, you get a ship that you literally can't even prove exists to anyone who doesn't play SC (if and when if releases).
It's worse than that... They aren't even buying anything... They are renting pixels.
Seriously, I would rather spend the cash on Lego. At least then I get the joy of actually building something through my own effort, and I even get to keep the toy if the company goes under.
All we have to do is wait till after the holiday's to see what is going to happen. Rumors have been circling that a few will be leaving the company to get away from CR. It is no secret he isn't much fun working for. I have a funny feeling things will be hitting the fan very soon.
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truly we live in a world of madness 2500$ for a pixel graphic ship ? from a game not even out ? from a game no one know yet if this will be a good game ? from a company who got 100mil or way more and they increase the delay each year ?
HOW STUPID CAN YOU BE ???!!
wanted add : i backed the games, graphic and alpha are ''okay'' so far, got easily enough money to buy all these ship they release each months but will never buy one.
hope this game release, but i hate how they take advantage of people addiction
Does it? I don't think there's ever been an "official" launch date. They JUST released a S42 trailer this year which includes 2016 at the end of the trailer. That's about as close to a concrete date as things have gotten. You act like the project is anomalous, but the anomaly is actually games that ship on time. When The Witcher 3 actually leaked like 2 weeks early, there were brains exploding all over the world.
I don't know why it's so difficult for you to comprehend that the game, in it's current state, is actually being developed quite quickly. Actually, if you look at the Alpha 2 feature set and even something like ED, they are actually quite similar, if not SC might have more features. The big difference is the release plan. Full-featured, or gimped release with expansions. ED went with the gimped released with expansions. In fact, those who bought into it early bought the game and then had to buy the expansion to get the planet stuff. So the average spend per player will likely be higher than the average SC player. So which model is more criminal? I don't know. You need to spend like $60 to taste ED. $30 to taste SC.
I've also said multiple times that the companies mean absolutely nothing. Why don't you look up a how stuff works on subsidiaries. The easiest explanation is taxes. BAM! Money Laundering done.
Don't you think that an elaborate money laundering scheme is a little too complex? Do you think that hiring on 250 people and burning more money on a monthly basis than you're making is a smart move for a money launderer? I'm really sorry, but if you actually believe that a money laundering scheme is actually realistic, you should immediately drive to the hospital and check yourself into the psych ward because you're bat-shit crazy. Tell me that they are mismanaging the money. Laundering it, though? Jeeeesus! Honestly? Their spend is approaching 70-80 million for salaries and expenses at this point. Never mind these supposed money laundering expenses. It's an absolutely ridiculous theory. If that was the case, I'd call CR the stupidest criminal in history because there's no way I'd spend $10 to get a return of $9.
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Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
http://massivelyop.com/2015/12/18/take-a-tour-of-star-citizens-10000-club/
Not a problem. I'm always on the look out for entirely illogical or paranoid conspiracy theories. Honestly, if you actually think this will come about then you're insane, literally. If you applied the same logic, then every video game company with an office in another country would be under the same suspicions you lay out. See, when "business-as-usual" becomes "everyone is doing shady things" then the problem is you.
Crazkanuk
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Azarelos - 90 Hunter - Emerald
Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
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Is there some kind of new drug on the market that authorities should know about.
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
Long, long delays should be expected for a Chris Roberts game. He's been years late multiple times, and as we all know, Digital Anvil never released a single in house game in four years. It's one of the least problematic of the issues, because it comes with the territory. He's not a good project manager, and he surrounds himself with cronies. I view the real problem as all these stretch goals that got added on, with not much regard for the difficulties of implementing them. I don't expect the game as described will ever exist.
Still they have more pressure now to release something, and I expect we'll see a real buggy game pushed out the door next December. Just like they'd claim one of those nasty ol' publishers would've made them do.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
Buy you are right in that they will continue to sell ships (at least until they launch, but the common ships will probably be on thew market for real money even after release.) because that... is... their... business model. Much like WoT/Warthunder/MW:O and the Crew. But it is ot a infinite source of money unless they constantly update the offerings. And that in it self actually cost a lot of money when you put the bar as high as they do with the ships.
As i said.... KS backers might have a reason to complain due to the shift in deadlines... But to sit there and piss about "stupid people spend money on stupid things" that is just childish.
We all have stupid passion projects (and should you lack such a thing i feel honestly sorry for you and your barren soul) and as pointed out in this very thread... Most people in SC have paid about the cost of a new console game... So it is not like they sold their house to get in. And the eople who pay more, well they have the money and it is not like they are funding a drug cartel, heck combined to most other luxury consumption it is dirt cheap and very environmentally friendly.
TL:DR: Companies cost money to run, SC is not a very efficent way to milk the customers, we are taught to feel happy when we shop, Chris Roberts is nor Pablo Escobar Jr.
This have been a good conversation
- Albert Einstein
HOWEVER!
I have to say I understand spending $2000 on a virtual ship more than I understand a $2000 vacation to Las Vegas.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
But not when "paying" up to $1000s of dollars for pixels in a game that does not exist yet.
Well, that's like comparing rotten apples to outdated mayonnaise.
Neither are a good use of money. However, at least with one you have the chance, however small, to make a return on investment. The other, you get a ship that you literally can't even prove exists to anyone who doesn't play SC (if and when if releases).
Fine! A $2000 trip to Wyoming then.
Either way, I think it's been established quite thoroughly that value is subjective and if that's what someone finds value in then all the power to them. People aren't idiots for spending their money the way they want, it's called being individuals.
We're basically arguing over the 1% (maybe 3%) of people who have even spent that much. We're acting like whales driving game revenues is something new.
Crazkanuk
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Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
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It's worse than that... They aren't even buying anything... They are renting pixels.
Seriously, I would rather spend the cash on Lego. At least then I get the joy of actually building something through my own effort, and I even get to keep the toy if the company goes under.
As a Christmas present, at that.
Ahh, the true spirit of the season!
Merry Christmas!
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!