All I have to say is this. If this game makes it, this could be something huge. If this game fails for any number of reasons it could, this could polarize the gaming community when it comes to crowd funded projects. I am sure every crowd funded project right now is worried how SC will play out.
It isn't crowdfunding anymore, the people buy stuff from the cash shop to pay the company to develop Games. Basically Zynga and many others are doing the same. The fact that RSI didn't release anything does not change the mechanic. Was Crowdfunding on Kickstarter though.
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it. The cake is a lie.
Sure at this time most fo these cars have at least some units shipped. But at one point.. people bught them based on a promise and some technical sheets and artist renderings.
Sure at this time most fo these cars have at least some units shipped. But at one point.. people bught them based on a promise and some technical sheets and artist renderings.
Ok, ok, ok.....question. Will they deliver it to a virtual garage where I can walk around it and play with it before it's actually delivered?
Sure at this time most fo these cars have at least some units shipped. But at one point.. people bught them based on a promise and some technical sheets and artist renderings.
LOL in the end you get an actual car, to where you get a digital ship, that is IF the game releases. Time will tell.
Sure at this time most fo these cars have at least some units shipped. But at one point.. people bught them based on a promise and some technical sheets and artist renderings.
LOL in the end you get an actual car, to where you get a digital ship, that is IF the game releases. Time will tell.
Yeah, you get an actual car that is 50% of the value that it was when it was a picture. That doesn't seem like a very good deal to me My SC ship could be worth money when the game ships depending on the economy. Also, you're making the assumption that the car will definitely ship and you'll definitely get your money back if it doesn't. Honestly, I'd just get a refund on everything you've pre-ordered because nothing is guaranteed.
Sure at this time most fo these cars have at least some units shipped. But at one point.. people bught them based on a promise and some technical sheets and artist renderings.
LOL in the end you get an actual car, to where you get a digital ship, that is IF the game releases. Time will tell.
and in the end you will get a actual game....
Also let me point out that there is a supercar (can´t remember the brand atm) that you had to pre.order and once it was done you did not actually get to drive.. no.. you see it was not entierly street legal.. so when you wanted to use it.. they had it shipped to a track for you to drive, then they took it back when you where done.
Any way... As i said... this is nothing new... it is a luxury product (the pre-sale of the ship that is) for people who like to contribute.
Sure at this time most fo these cars have at least some units shipped. But at one point.. people bught them based on a promise and some technical sheets and artist renderings.
LOL in the end you get an actual car, to where you get a digital ship, that is IF the game releases. Time will tell.
Yeah, you get an actual car that is 50% of the value that it was when it was a picture. That doesn't seem like a very good deal to me My SC ship could be worth money when the game ships depending on the economy. Also, you're making the assumption that the car will definitely ship and you'll definitely get your money back if it doesn't. Honestly, I'd just get a refund on everything you've pre-ordered because nothing is guaranteed.
I seem to remember you guys posting a video of CR saying once the game launches you can buy any ship they are selling now with in game currency. So doesn't that make your comment bull?
Awesome opportunity. A friend picked up a Javelin to go along with his Idris.
This is and seeing Star Wars tonight! Great time to be a fan of space sims/movies.
And just a note: If SC ever gets into financial troubles, all they have to do is sell planetary bases and stations for guilds/Organizations starting at $3,000 a pop. They could easily make enough to fully fund the game to completion from this alone.
I have no no worries that the game will be a success.
Sure at this time most fo these cars have at least some units shipped. But at one point.. people bught them based on a promise and some technical sheets and artist renderings.
However, most of those car companies have actually released real cars in the last 20 years.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
Sure at this time most fo these cars have at least some units shipped. But at one point.. people bught them based on a promise and some technical sheets and artist renderings.
LOL in the end you get an actual car, to where you get a digital ship, that is IF the game releases. Time will tell.
Yeah, you get an actual car that is 50% of the value that it was when it was a picture. That doesn't seem like a very good deal to me My SC ship could be worth money when the game ships depending on the economy. Also, you're making the assumption that the car will definitely ship and you'll definitely get your money back if it doesn't. Honestly, I'd just get a refund on everything you've pre-ordered because nothing is guaranteed.
I seem to remember you guys posting a video of CR saying once the game launches you can buy any ship they are selling now with in game currency. So doesn't that make your comment bull?
No, I don't remember that video. Believe it or not I'm quite uneducated on the game. I Rarely do betas or alphas anymore since I can't commit the time to actually testing, so I'm a waste of oxygen as far as testing goes.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Awesome opportunity. A friend picked up a Javelin to go along with his Idris.
This is and seeing Star Wars tonight! Great time to be a fan of space sims/movies.
And just a note: If SC ever gets into financial troubles, all they have to do is sell planetary bases and stations for guilds/Organizations starting at $3,000 a pop. They could easily make enough to fully fund the game to completion from this alone.
I have no no worries that the game will be a success.
Shhh, stop sharing the plan to continue fleecing the whales post go live.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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See for yourself and take your own conclusions about if or not the money is in good hands, considering all this time, all this money and that thing not working, barely represents 5% of all the features/size/scope that the game needs yet to implement and deliver.
But why the hell not, do not make another tech demo, similar of the original prototype to help to sell those JPEGs no sale and try to give reasons to people keep giving more money right? It worked in 2012, why wouldn't in 2015, since are the same people paying again and again anyway.
See for yourself and take your own conclusions about if or not the money is in good hands, considering all this time, all this money and that thing not working, barely represents 5% of all the features/size/scope that the game needs yet to implement and deliver.
But why the hell not, do not make another tech demo, similar of the original prototype to help to sell those JPEGs no sale and try to give reasons to people keep giving more money right? It worked in 2012, why wouldn't in 2015, since are the same people paying again and again anyway.
This is exactly the type of poster I referred to here:
See for yourself and take your own conclusions about if or not the money is in good hands, considering all this time, all this money and that thing not working, barely represents 5% of all the features/size/scope that the game needs yet to implement and deliver.
But why the hell not, do not make another tech demo, similar of the original prototype to help to sell those JPEGs no sale and try to give reasons to people keep giving more money right? It worked in 2012, why wouldn't in 2015, since are the same people paying again and again anyway.
See for yourself and take your own conclusions about if or not the money is in good hands, considering all this time, all this money and that thing not working, barely represents 5% of all the features/size/scope that the game needs yet to implement and deliver.
But why the hell not, do not make another tech demo, similar of the original prototype to help to sell those JPEGs no sale and try to give reasons to people keep giving more money right? It worked in 2012, why wouldn't in 2015, since are the same people paying again and again anyway.
What does this have to do with whether or not the money is in good hands? Because as the software developer CR is somehow immune to all computer issues, game crashes, etc? He said it was a timeout, which could have meant he had an issue with networking. He even asked his tech if someone ran over a line. LMAO, sorry, but these arguments become more and more obscure and less relevant. If you're going to put bullets in your gun, try using something other than marshmallows.
See for yourself and take your own conclusions about if or not the money is in good hands, considering all this time, all this money and that thing not working, barely represents 5% of all the features/size/scope that the game needs yet to implement and deliver.
But why the hell not, do not make another tech demo, similar of the original prototype to help to sell those JPEGs no sale and try to give reasons to people keep giving more money right? It worked in 2012, why wouldn't in 2015, since are the same people paying again and again anyway.
What does this have to do with whether or not the money is in good hands? Because as the software developer CR is somehow immune to all computer issues, game crashes, etc? He said it was a timeout, which could have meant he had an issue with networking. He even asked his tech if someone ran over a line. LMAO, sorry, but these arguments become more and more obscure and less relevant. If you're going to put bullets in your gun, try using something other than marshmallows.
Very easy to see when a person is not a good business analyst and fail to see the big picture/context.
There is nothing obscure or irrelevant. Its just your mind that is clouded by your passion.
See for yourself and take your own conclusions about if or not the money is in good hands, considering all this time, all this money and that thing not working, barely represents 5% of all the features/size/scope that the game needs yet to implement and deliver.
But why the hell not, do not make another tech demo, similar of the original prototype to help to sell those JPEGs no sale and try to give reasons to people keep giving more money right? It worked in 2012, why wouldn't in 2015, since are the same people paying again and again anyway.
I wonder if Ben still has a job after that. :-D
Ben is untouchable. He can make all kinds of mistakes, ruin the project and the image of the company, disrespect consumers with his comments... and will stay there.
Someone else will be guilty. Not him. Neither Roberts nor Sandi. Those three are victims... always.
See for yourself and take your own conclusions about if or not the money is in good hands, considering all this time, all this money and that thing not working, barely represents 5% of all the features/size/scope that the game needs yet to implement and deliver.
But why the hell not, do not make another tech demo, similar of the original prototype to help to sell those JPEGs no sale and try to give reasons to people keep giving more money right? It worked in 2012, why wouldn't in 2015, since are the same people paying again and again anyway.
What does this have to do with whether or not the money is in good hands? Because as the software developer CR is somehow immune to all computer issues, game crashes, etc? He said it was a timeout, which could have meant he had an issue with networking. He even asked his tech if someone ran over a line. LMAO, sorry, but these arguments become more and more obscure and less relevant. If you're going to put bullets in your gun, try using something other than marshmallows.
Very easy to see when a person is not a good business analyst and fail to see the big picture/context.
There is nothing obscure or irrelevant. Its just your mind that is clouded by your passion.
Yes, I totally agree, like I remember seeing Bill Gates crash during a live TV segment on CNN and we all know he's a horrible business person and that whole Windows thing was just a fad.
See for yourself and take your own conclusions about if or not the money is in good hands, considering all this time, all this money and that thing not working, barely represents 5% of all the features/size/scope that the game needs yet to implement and deliver.
But why the hell not, do not make another tech demo, similar of the original prototype to help to sell those JPEGs no sale and try to give reasons to people keep giving more money right? It worked in 2012, why wouldn't in 2015, since are the same people paying again and again anyway.
What does this have to do with whether or not the money is in good hands? Because as the software developer CR is somehow immune to all computer issues, game crashes, etc? He said it was a timeout, which could have meant he had an issue with networking. He even asked his tech if someone ran over a line. LMAO, sorry, but these arguments become more and more obscure and less relevant. If you're going to put bullets in your gun, try using something other than marshmallows.
Very easy to see when a person is not a good business analyst and fail to see the big picture/context.
There is nothing obscure or irrelevant. Its just your mind that is clouded by your passion.
Good thing he's not the business analyst then. Im actually shocked you thought CR runs all the finance of his company, you talk about cloud minds yet you made that argument? This isn't a small business this is a massive company that spans over two countries. if his intensions are to run the company into the ground, then yeah, but 3 years still going so I don't think thats his plan.
It's noting to do with clouded minds or passion, some of use just don't see it as a big deal. Yes its crazy amounts, but there are people in the world who can drop that not problem, people pay thousands and millions for a watches, paintings, whatever they feel is worth their money, there are actually websites where you can actually jpegs for more money. At the end of the day i might think it's mad, but it doesn't affect me or you or anyone else.
This whole SC discussion is blown out of proportion for the sake of an argument tbh, some have good concerns, but most don't.
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Basically Zynga and many others are doing the same. The fact that RSI didn't release anything does not change the mechanic.
Was Crowdfunding on Kickstarter though.
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
The cake is a lie.
http://cleantechnica.com/2013/04/24/honda-nsx-hybrid-supercar-available-for-pre-order-in-uk/
http://www.imaginelifestyles.com/luxuryliving/2011/01/top-10-luxury-cars-longest-waiting-lists-and-highest-prices
Sure at this time most fo these cars have at least some units shipped. But at one point.. people bught them based on a promise and some technical sheets and artist renderings.
This have been a good conversation
Ok, ok, ok.....question. Will they deliver it to a virtual garage where I can walk around it and play with it before it's actually delivered?
Crazkanuk
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Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
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Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
Yeah, you get an actual car that is 50% of the value that it was when it was a picture. That doesn't seem like a very good deal to me
Crazkanuk
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Azarelos - 90 Hunter - Emerald
Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
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Have fun
Also let me point out that there is a supercar (can´t remember the brand atm) that you had to pre.order and once it was done you did not actually get to drive.. no.. you see it was not entierly street legal.. so when you wanted to use it.. they had it shipped to a track for you to drive, then they took it back when you where done.
Any way... As i said... this is nothing new... it is a luxury product (the pre-sale of the ship that is) for people who like to contribute.
Nothing to loose your head over.
This have been a good conversation
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
This is and seeing Star Wars tonight! Great time to be a fan of space sims/movies.
And just a note: If SC ever gets into financial troubles, all they have to do is sell planetary bases and stations for guilds/Organizations starting at $3,000 a pop. They could easily make enough to fully fund the game to completion from this alone.
I have no no worries that the game will be a success.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
No, I don't remember that video. Believe it or not I'm quite uneducated on the game. I Rarely do betas or alphas anymore since I can't commit the time to actually testing, so I'm a waste of oxygen as far as testing goes.
Crazkanuk
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Azarelos - 90 Hunter - Emerald
Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
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"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Any way... it has been proven beyond any doubt that what SC is doing is not only not uncommon but actually fairly common.
You can still argue if it is morally right to do so, but it is not really any thing strange.
But people make it a much biggre problem than it is... Heck compared to the coin.arcade... This is peanuts.
This have been a good conversation
The master will be displeased.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
http://venturebeat.com/2015/12/17/watch-star-citizen-director-chris-roberts-troubleshoot-his-pc-for-5-minutes/
See for yourself and take your own conclusions about if or not the money is in good hands, considering all this time, all this money and that thing not working, barely represents 5% of all the features/size/scope that the game needs yet to implement and deliver.
But why the hell not, do not make another tech demo, similar of the original prototype to help to sell those JPEGs no sale and try to give reasons to people keep giving more money right? It worked in 2012, why wouldn't in 2015, since are the same people paying again and again anyway.
http://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/443444/why-do-much-hate-on-star-citizen
Err..........Umm...........
It's just that...............
Well,......................
Because IIRC it was pointed out that it was they who requested this. =P
This have been a good conversation
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
What does this have to do with whether or not the money is in good hands? Because as the software developer CR is somehow immune to all computer issues, game crashes, etc? He said it was a timeout, which could have meant he had an issue with networking. He even asked his tech if someone ran over a line. LMAO, sorry, but these arguments become more and more obscure and less relevant. If you're going to put bullets in your gun, try using something other than marshmallows.
Crazkanuk
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Azarelos - 90 Hunter - Emerald
Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
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There is nothing obscure or irrelevant. Its just your mind that is clouded by your passion.
Someone else will be guilty. Not him. Neither Roberts nor Sandi. Those three are victims... always.
Yes, I totally agree, like I remember seeing Bill Gates crash during a live TV segment on CNN and we all know he's a horrible business person and that whole Windows thing was just a fad.
Crazkanuk
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Azarelos - 90 Hunter - Emerald
Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
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It's noting to do with clouded minds or passion, some of use just don't see it as a big deal. Yes its crazy amounts, but there are people in the world who can drop that not problem, people pay thousands and millions for a watches, paintings, whatever they feel is worth their money, there are actually websites where you can actually jpegs for more money. At the end of the day i might think it's mad, but it doesn't affect me or you or anyone else.
This whole SC discussion is blown out of proportion for the sake of an argument tbh, some have good concerns, but most don't.