Sorry gamers; you guys are never going to be athletes by competitively or professional playing video games no matter how hard you wish it to be true. This type of idiocy is why people mock and laugh at gamers.
Is chess a sport? And i believe humanity will drastically rethink what sport is in next few generations. Could you imagine something like The International 20 years ago? $16 millions for playing some game. And you know, it's not about what someone think, it's about what people are willing to pay for.
Sorry gamers; you guys are never going to be athletes by competitively or professional playing video games no matter how hard you wish it to be true. This type of idiocy is why people mock and laugh at gamers.
Is chess a sport? And i believe humanity will drastically rethink what sport is in next few generations. Could you imagine something like The International 20 years ago? $16 millions for playing some game. And you know, it's not about what someone think, it's about what people are willing to pay for.
Sorry gamers; you guys are never going to be athletes by competitively or professional playing video games no matter how hard you wish it to be true. This type of idiocy is why people mock and laugh at gamers.
Is chess a sport? And i believe humanity will drastically rethink what sport is in next few generations. Could you imagine something like The International 20 years ago? $16 millions for playing some game. And you know, it's not about what someone think, it's about what people are willing to pay for.
Obviously there will always be those who cry blood murder, but i highly doubt they will have any impact on the trend.
No one is "cry blood murder", people laugh at how sad and pathetic all of this is, and rightfully so.
Also, from that link, it looks like the US government is using this as a loophole to get these little buggers visas so they can enter the Country to compete in video games. Either that or they have gone full retard once again. Really, neither scenario would be much of a shocker.
LOL, just look at these "specimens":
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
You could argue being an athlete is fairly dumb. I used to play sports all the time when I was young. They were all contact and I still have some bumps and bruises many years later. Many athletes suffer brain damage in sports like Football, Hockey, and Soccer. I generally don't support sports anymore except as a fun activity where you aren't attacking each other. To each their own though.
I think most people realize that sitting in front of your PC 24 hours a day is bad for you at this point. I feel like I've taken control of my diet and exercise. I'm pretty thin and I only do things like run 15 to 20 minutes or bike for an hour in the summer. I also do chores and make my own food when I can to get more activity.
I used to be like a thinner and younger version of the guy in the picture when I was doing MMOs a lot I'll admit.
I don't see why video games can't be a sport. It is more a mental sport than a physical one, but even PC games can take their tole on your if you are sitting, typing, and using the mouse all day. It will wear out your eyes/hands and put too much pressure on certain body parts. I find that sitting on a bed is much easier on the body than sitting down. I'm sure it's different for everyone and also depends on the chair.
You could argue being an athlete is fairly dumb. I used to play sports all the time when I was young. They were all contact and I still have some bumps and bruises many years later. Many athletes suffer brain damage in sports like Football, Hockey, and Soccer. I generally don't support sports anymore except as a fun activity where you aren't attacking each other. To each their own though.
I think most people realize that sitting in front of your PC 24 hours a day is bad for you at this point. I feel like I've taken control of my diet and exercise. I'm pretty thin and I only do things like run 15 to 20 minutes or bike for an hour in the summer. I also do chores and make my own food when I can to get more activity.
I used to be like a thinner and younger version of the guy in the picture when I was doing MMOs a lot I'll admit.
I don't see why video games can't be a sport. It is more a mental sport than a physical one, but even PC games can take their tole on your if you are sitting, typing, and using the mouse all day. It will wear out your eyes/hands and put too much pressure on certain body parts. I find that sitting on a bed is much easier on the body than sitting down. I'm sure it's different for everyone and also depends on the chair.
Did you really just compare the rigors of contact sports with some lazy sod getting deep vein thrombosis from sitting his ass in a chair all day? lmao
No one is "cry blood murder", people laugh at how sad and pathetic all of this is, and rightfully so.
Not S Koreans .. who have fan clubs for esports pros.
Of course, i understand if some are just having cases of sour grapes. I don't play or watch e-sports but hey, i am not jealous of some koreans who can do what they like for a living.
Or, may be being all self righteous about what other consider pro games or not is "cool" but hey, we are only talking about games and entertainment here, to put things in perspective.
I don't see why video games can't be a sport. It is more a mental sport than a physical one, but even PC games can take their tole on your if you are sitting, typing, and using the mouse all day.
and i quote "Beginners often have low APM counts, typically below 50. Professional e-athletes in South Korea usually have average APM scores around 300, but often exceed the 400 mark during intense battle sequences. Notable gamers with over 400 average APM include Lee Jae-Dong. Park Sung-Joon is noted for the record APM of 818."
How many here, who sneer at e-sports, can even go up to a 100 APM count, not to mention winning games against these pros?
You could argue being an athlete is fairly dumb. I used to play sports all the time when I was young. They were all contact and I still have some bumps and bruises many years later. Many athletes suffer brain damage in sports like Football, Hockey, and Soccer. I generally don't support sports anymore except as a fun activity where you aren't attacking each other. To each their own though.
I think most people realize that sitting in front of your PC 24 hours a day is bad for you at this point. I feel like I've taken control of my diet and exercise. I'm pretty thin and I only do things like run 15 to 20 minutes or bike for an hour in the summer. I also do chores and make my own food when I can to get more activity.
I used to be like a thinner and younger version of the guy in the picture when I was doing MMOs a lot I'll admit.
I don't see why video games can't be a sport. It is more a mental sport than a physical one, but even PC games can take their tole on your if you are sitting, typing, and using the mouse all day. It will wear out your eyes/hands and put too much pressure on certain body parts. I find that sitting on a bed is much easier on the body than sitting down. I'm sure it's different for everyone and also depends on the chair.
The "sport" thing was one thing, but the whole "athlete" description is on a whooooole 'nother level.
This is a well defined term that gamers are trying to claim to be. Sorry kiddos, you don't get to change or alter the definition of this one. You're sitting on your asses playing a video game. This is literally the most unathletic "sport" on Earth.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
You could argue being an athlete is fairly dumb. I used to play sports all the time when I was young. They were all contact and I still have some bumps and bruises many years later. Many athletes suffer brain damage in sports like Football, Hockey, and Soccer. I generally don't support sports anymore except as a fun activity where you aren't attacking each other. To each their own though.
I think most people realize that sitting in front of your PC 24 hours a day is bad for you at this point. I feel like I've taken control of my diet and exercise. I'm pretty thin and I only do things like run 15 to 20 minutes or bike for an hour in the summer. I also do chores and make my own food when I can to get more activity.
I used to be like a thinner and younger version of the guy in the picture when I was doing MMOs a lot I'll admit.
I don't see why video games can't be a sport. It is more a mental sport than a physical one, but even PC games can take their tole on your if you are sitting, typing, and using the mouse all day. It will wear out your eyes/hands and put too much pressure on certain body parts. I find that sitting on a bed is much easier on the body than sitting down. I'm sure it's different for everyone and also depends on the chair.
Did you really just compare the rigors of contact sports with some lazy sod getting deep vein thrombosis from sitting his ass in a chair all day? lmao
Laugh all you would like. Any repetitious activity can cause major damage in your body. There are people who have surgery for carpal tunnel syndrome. Not me thankfully. Sports are the same thing in many cases. You are just repeatedly using a part of your body to an amount that eventually wears it down and you develop a chronic problem.
Laugh all you would like. Any repetitious activity can cause major damage in your body. There are people who have surgery for carpal tunnel syndrome. Not me thankfully. Sports are the same thing in many cases. You are just repeatedly using a part of your body to an amount that eventually wears it down and you develop a chronic problem.
Carpenters and data entry clerks get carpal tunnel syndrome from repetitive motions also, but that doesn't make carpentry or data entry a sport.
Laugh all you would like. Any repetitious activity can cause major damage in your body. There are people who have surgery for carpal tunnel syndrome. Not me thankfully. Sports are the same thing in many cases. You are just repeatedly using a part of your body to an amount that eventually wears it down and you develop a chronic problem.
Carpenters and data entry clerks get carpal tunnel syndrome from repetitive motions also, but that doesn't make carpentry or data entry a sport.
They aren't competing with each other I suppose. Most sports require a competition of some kind. It's very possible to compete in gaming. I would say a lot of my early experiences in gaming as a younger person and my experiences in MMOs later in life were all fairly competitive until recently.
No one is "cry blood murder", people laugh at how sad and pathetic all of this is, and rightfully so.
Not S Koreans .. who have fan clubs for esports pros.
Of course, i understand if some are just having cases of sour grapes. I don't play or watch e-sports but hey, i am not jealous of some koreans who can do what they like for a living.
Or, may be being all self righteous about what other consider pro games or not is "cool" but hey, we are only talking about games and entertainment here, to put things in perspective.
Jealous? Hell no; more power to them for making a living playing video games.
Sour grapes? Nah, man; I'm just laughing at the whole thing. It really is funny.
To the last point: exactly. I am glad we can agree that these are just games. That's it.
These clever little buggers getting rich playing videos games are not anything remotely close to an athlete.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
To the last point: exactly. I am glad we can agree that these are just games. That's it.
These clever little buggers getting rich playing videos games are not anything remotely close to an athlete.
I don't think you get my last point.
Any sports is also just a game. I don't see how it is a big different in running faster than your competitors, from outwitting them in a video game.
Athletes are nothing more than very good physical game players. Are you saying football is a superior game than chess, or starcraft 2, for some reasons?
They are all just games, and people are watching them for entertainment. Nothing more, nothing less.
To the last point: exactly. I am glad we can agree that these are just games. That's it.
These clever little buggers getting rich playing videos games are not anything remotely close to an athlete.
...I don't see how it is a big different...
Should be glaringly obvious. Allow me to steer you in the right direction.
A professional gamer is not an athlete because they are a professional gamer that competes in video games.
A professional gamer that is in great physical condition, works out regularly, and possesses high level agility, endurance, and strength is a natural athlete.
A professional gamer that is all of the above and competes in a genuine authentic sport is an athlete.
Do you see now?
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
I don't see why video games can't be a sport. It is more a mental sport than a physical one, but even PC games can take their tole on your if you are sitting, typing, and using the mouse all day.
and i quote "Beginners often have low APM counts, typically below 50. Professional e-athletes in South Korea usually have average APM scores around 300, but often exceed the 400 mark during intense battle sequences. Notable gamers with over 400 average APM include Lee Jae-Dong. Park Sung-Joon is noted for the record APM of 818."
How many here, who sneer at e-sports, can even go up to a 100 APM count, not to mention winning games against these pros?
Meant to cover this earlier.
So let's say we set up a competition involving a group of people all tying their shoes beginning at the same time and see who can finish first. By your logic above this would be considered a sport and those involved athletes. It is not, and they are not. This is called a game or a competition at best.
Do you see how ridiculously stupid this is?
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what
it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience
because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in
the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you
playing an MMORPG?"
I will say this again. The sub model is absolutely a Win for everyone. It's not the business model that failed. It was game development that failed. Many of the games sucked. They couldn't retain players. Not because players weren't willing to sub, but they didn't feel the games were worth it.
There are still enough successful games that generate healthy revenues from subscriptions. Actually, all you need is one to show the model can work.
Your whole personal agenda for years has been to try to prove that games fail because of bad business models. But the truth is the opposite. Business models fail because of bad games.
Eh, I've spent a LOT of money over the years on pay-up-front games that I disliked and barely played, whereas I've spent ZERO money on F2P games I disliked. So any pay-up-front model (which includes subs) isn't a Win for gamers. Because it has the potential to take their money without delivering them fun.
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
So let's say we set up a competition involving a group of people all tying their shoes beginning at the same time and see who can finish first. By your logic above this would be considered a sport and those involved athletes. It is not, and they are not. This is called a game or a competition at best.
Do you see how ridiculously stupid this is?
No more ridiculous than hitting a small round ball into a hole hundred of yards away, or see who can sit on top of a raging bull longer. Just games people make up. The only difference is that some are more popular than others.
I will say this again. The sub model is absolutely a Win for everyone. It's not the business model that failed. It was game development that failed. Many of the games sucked. They couldn't retain players. Not because players weren't willing to sub, but they didn't feel the games were worth it.
There are still enough successful games that generate healthy revenues from subscriptions. Actually, all you need is one to show the model can work.
Your whole personal agenda for years has been to try to prove that games fail because of bad business models. But the truth is the opposite. Business models fail because of bad games.
Eh, I've spent a LOT of money over the years on pay-up-front games that I disliked and barely played, whereas I've spent ZERO money on F2P games I disliked. So any pay-up-front model (which includes subs) isn't a Win for gamers. Because it has the potential to take their money without delivering them fun.
Has it really been "a LOT"?
When you add up what you've spent on something over the course of a year it can at first appear to be a bit of a shock. Most people spend significantly more on coffee over the span of year than anyone playing a P2P MMO during the same time period.
The sub model has always been a win win in my eyes. Dirt cheap for me, plenty of profit for devs (assuming of course it's a good game that can efficiently keep the content coming. Not a very common recipe these days, I know).
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
When you add up what you've spent on something over the course of a year it can at first appear to be a bit of a shock. Most people spend significantly more on coffee over the span of year than anyone playing a P2P MMO during the same time period.
The sub model has always been a win win in my eyes. Dirt cheap for me, plenty of profit for devs (assuming of course it's a good game that can efficiently keep the content coming. Not a very common recipe these days, I know).
Let's say you spend $100 a year on coffee.
Now, how does that affect how you feel about a con artist who steals $75 a year from you?
Not at all? Right. Not at all.
Every cost is measured on its own merits (value / cost) and in this case the value is a big unknown in pay-up-front games.
But yeah, if you still think that $100/year on coffee matters then I certainly do spend more than that yearly on games with less than 2 hours playtime on Steam.
It's a simple matter of F2P games letting you play them firsthand before spending, and therefore you know the value of that game and can make a better decision about what you want to spend on it (if you want to spend on it.)
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
Something tells me we're dealing with a few posters in this thread who have little to no experience being somewhat athletic, let alone, an actual athlete.
I personally take great pride not only with my career but with my physical health and condition. I played hockey from age 7 to 17; the later years at a very competitive level (making me also a very proud Canadian ). I then moved on into weight training/body building which I continue regularly to this day. I've also been an avid swimmer my entire life, competing extensively in that sport as an adult.
Not trying to toot my own horn, but needless to say, I've been very athletic for most of my life. I know what it takes.
I've also been gaming since the early eighties; I've even competed in gaming competitions going back to the early nineties. To compare gaming to sports/athletes is simply a joke. Both games? Yes. Completely different on virtually every level? Fuck yes.
Sitting on your butt using hand eye coordination with a high degree of skill can be impressive for sure. But competing as an athlete in a sport is an entirely different entity.
No one is an athlete competing in a video game.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
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And i believe humanity will drastically rethink what sport is in next few generations. Could you imagine something like The International 20 years ago? $16 millions for playing some game. And you know, it's not about what someone think, it's about what people are willing to pay for.
http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2013/07/15/us-government-recognizes-video-gamers-as-pro-athletes
Obviously there will always be those who cry blood murder, but i highly doubt they will have any impact on the trend.
Inb4 "Not me, the government is saying it"
Also, from that link, it looks like the US government is using this as a loophole to get these little buggers visas so they can enter the Country to compete in video games. Either that or they have gone full retard once again. Really, neither scenario would be much of a shocker.
LOL, just look at these "specimens":
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
I think most people realize that sitting in front of your PC 24 hours a day is bad for you at this point. I feel like I've taken control of my diet and exercise. I'm pretty thin and I only do things like run 15 to 20 minutes or bike for an hour in the summer. I also do chores and make my own food when I can to get more activity.
I used to be like a thinner and younger version of the guy in the picture when I was doing MMOs a lot I'll admit.
I don't see why video games can't be a sport. It is more a mental sport than a physical one, but even PC games can take their tole on your if you are sitting, typing, and using the mouse all day. It will wear out your eyes/hands and put too much pressure on certain body parts. I find that sitting on a bed is much easier on the body than sitting down. I'm sure it's different for everyone and also depends on the chair.
Of course, i understand if some are just having cases of sour grapes. I don't play or watch e-sports but hey, i am not jealous of some koreans who can do what they like for a living.
Or, may be being all self righteous about what other consider pro games or not is "cool" but hey, we are only talking about games and entertainment here, to put things in perspective.
Actually it is pretty physical.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actions_per_minute
and i quote "Beginners often have low APM counts, typically below 50. Professional e-athletes in South Korea usually have average APM scores around 300, but often exceed the 400 mark during intense battle sequences. Notable gamers with over 400 average APM include Lee Jae-Dong. Park Sung-Joon is noted for the record APM of 818."
How many here, who sneer at e-sports, can even go up to a 100 APM count, not to mention winning games against these pros?
This is a well defined term that gamers are trying to claim to be. Sorry kiddos, you don't get to change or alter the definition of this one. You're sitting on your asses playing a video game. This is literally the most unathletic "sport" on Earth.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Sour grapes? Nah, man; I'm just laughing at the whole thing. It really is funny.
To the last point: exactly. I am glad we can agree that these are just games. That's it.
These clever little buggers getting rich playing videos games are not anything remotely close to an athlete.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Any sports is also just a game. I don't see how it is a big different in running faster than your competitors, from outwitting them in a video game.
Athletes are nothing more than very good physical game players. Are you saying football is a superior game than chess, or starcraft 2, for some reasons?
They are all just games, and people are watching them for entertainment. Nothing more, nothing less.
A professional gamer is not an athlete because they are a professional gamer that competes in video games.
A professional gamer that is in great physical condition, works out regularly, and possesses high level agility, endurance, and strength is a natural athlete.
A professional gamer that is all of the above and competes in a genuine authentic sport is an athlete.
Do you see now?
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
So let's say we set up a competition involving a group of people all tying their shoes beginning at the same time and see who can finish first. By your logic above this would be considered a sport and those involved athletes. It is not, and they are not. This is called a game or a competition at best.
Do you see how ridiculously stupid this is?
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Epic Music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAigCvelkhQ&list=PLo9FRw1AkDuQLEz7Gvvaz3ideB2NpFtT1
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Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
But at the end of the days, just games.
When you add up what you've spent on something over the course of a year it can at first appear to be a bit of a shock. Most people spend significantly more on coffee over the span of year than anyone playing a P2P MMO during the same time period.
The sub model has always been a win win in my eyes. Dirt cheap for me, plenty of profit for devs (assuming of course it's a good game that can efficiently keep the content coming. Not a very common recipe these days, I know).
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Now, how does that affect how you feel about a con artist who steals $75 a year from you?
Not at all? Right. Not at all.
Every cost is measured on its own merits (value / cost) and in this case the value is a big unknown in pay-up-front games.
But yeah, if you still think that $100/year on coffee matters then I certainly do spend more than that yearly on games with less than 2 hours playtime on Steam.
It's a simple matter of F2P games letting you play them firsthand before spending, and therefore you know the value of that game and can make a better decision about what you want to spend on it (if you want to spend on it.)
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
I personally take great pride not only with my career but with my physical health and condition. I played hockey from age 7 to 17; the later years at a very competitive level (making me also a very proud Canadian
Not trying to toot my own horn, but needless to say, I've been very athletic for most of my life. I know what it takes.
I've also been gaming since the early eighties; I've even competed in gaming competitions going back to the early nineties. To compare gaming to sports/athletes is simply a joke. Both games? Yes. Completely different on virtually every level? Fuck yes.
Sitting on your butt using hand eye coordination with a high degree of skill can be impressive for sure. But competing as an athlete in a sport is an entirely different entity.
No one is an athlete competing in a video game.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb