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VR in games isn't new.

KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
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Why do people keep saying "new tech". VR has been tried so many times. It has never worked.

Here is another example from Sega:


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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    Kiyoris said:
    Why do people keep saying "new tech". VR has been tried so many times. It has never worked.

    Here is another example from Sega:


    are you aware the computer technology changes rapidly?

    its not like refrigerators you know, well clearly you dont

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  • OhhPaigeyOhhPaigey Member RarePosts: 1,517
    edited January 2016
    VR is a nice scam. Kind of like motion controls.

    Except now they can charge more and more because it's "new technology".

    Love it.

    But hey, if people like it, and want to spend their money on it, then so be it.
    When all is said and done, more is always said than done.
  • observerobserver Member RarePosts: 3,685
    VR in the past was extremely limited.  Technology evolves, and it's far superior to those.  It's one of those things you have to experience first.
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    observer said:
    VR in the past was extremely limited.  Technology evolves, and it's far superior to those.  It's one of those things you have to experience first.
    some gamers are not aware of that. They think their monitor now and a CRT are basically the same...i guess I mean I can think of any other reason why someone would post such a silly comparision

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  • SalengerSalenger Member UncommonPosts: 554
    OhhPaigey said:
    VR is a nice scam. Kind of like motion controls.

    Except now they can charge more and more because it's "new technology".

    Love it.

    But hey, if people like it, and want to spend their money on it, then so be it.
    observer said:
    VR in the past was extremely limited.  Technology evolves, and it's far superior to those.  It's one of those things you have to experience first.
    Remember this one, it was VR entriely in infrared if I recall...was the biggest scam Nintendo ever marketed...and probably the worst selling item they ever released.


  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    Salenger said:
    OhhPaigey said:
    VR is a nice scam. Kind of like motion controls.

    Except now they can charge more and more because it's "new technology".

    Love it.

    But hey, if people like it, and want to spend their money on it, then so be it.
    observer said:
    VR in the past was extremely limited.  Technology evolves, and it's far superior to those.  It's one of those things you have to experience first.
    Remember this one, it was VR entriely in infrared if I recall...was the biggest scam Nintendo ever marketed...and probably the worst selling item they ever released.


    for the technology aviable at the times I dont think it was a scam.

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  • SalengerSalenger Member UncommonPosts: 554
    edited January 2016
    SEANMCAD said:
    Salenger said:
    OhhPaigey said:
    VR is a nice scam. Kind of like motion controls.

    Except now they can charge more and more because it's "new technology".

    Love it.

    But hey, if people like it, and want to spend their money on it, then so be it.
    observer said:
    VR in the past was extremely limited.  Technology evolves, and it's far superior to those.  It's one of those things you have to experience first.
    Remember this one, it was VR entriely in infrared if I recall...was the biggest scam Nintendo ever marketed...and probably the worst selling item they ever released.


    for the technology aviable at the times I dont think it was a scam.
    You obviously never used it...it was not VR at all...it was a flat red lines...it was basically a small screen with goggles around it...that only produced black...and red.

    Watch this for an example:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyVAp0tOk5A
  • OnigodOnigod Member UncommonPosts: 756
    edited January 2016
    OhhPaigey said:
    VR is a nice scam. Kind of like motion controls.

    Except now they can charge more and more because it's "new technology".

    Love it.

    But hey, if people like it, and want to spend their money on it, then so be it.
    You really believe that?

    Just like when cell phones came out, everyone thought they were ridicilous and now see how much they are evolved.

    Everything we dont have yet gets a respond like yours but in the end we can not longer be without it, now we see VR as something we can use for games and such, I think it will get plenty of other uses once it evolves more.

    The first type of VR that we can buy you should see as a prototype, years from now VR will be completely different and better than the Oculus and whatever other brand is making them.
  • MukeMuke Member RarePosts: 2,614
    Kiyoris said:
    Why do people keep saying "new tech". VR has been tried so many times. It has never worked.

    Here is another example from Sega:




    it works now.

    But clearly, according to you "if something failed 20-30y ago, it simply can not be possible...ever."

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  • PottedPlant22PottedPlant22 Member RarePosts: 800
    edited January 2016
    There are those that have not experienced it and those that have.  Those that have at least know what the whole fuss is about.  Those who haven't make threads like this.
  • AAAMEOWAAAMEOW Member RarePosts: 1,617
    there are more application for it now.  weather it'll make big, I don't know.  

    I find it unlikely though for a real long time.
  • Flyte27Flyte27 Member RarePosts: 4,574
    Tablets didn't work until Steve Jobs came up with marketing schemes to sell them. 

    I don't really want to use VR, but it has a chance to become mainstream at some point.

    The concept of virtual reality has been around a long time.

    Soon we will have chips in our heads that control us and make sure we do nothing bad.

    Smart phones are pretty close already telling use to go to appointments and reminding us to meet a certain amount of steps per day.
  • GladDogGladDog Member RarePosts: 1,097
    Flyte27 said:

    I don't really want to use VR, but it has a chance to become mainstream at some point.

    I thought the same thing about the internet back in 1992.   BBS's were fine for me, and I brought my desktop to a friend's house twice a month for net play.  One of my buddies finally convinced me three years later to get on the 'net, and I have never gotten off...

    I have the same feeling about VR...


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  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    It has been around a long time "concept",we had the Nintendo powerglove a long time ago.

    The problem is implementation,they can add any hardware they want but if the games still look the same why bother buying these?
    What i am seeing so far are people actually brain washing themselves into thinking what they see is amazing or even better,yet if you asked someone who didn't know better the game looks the same.
    The math is simple devs have been shortcutting us on content as is,you honestly think they are going to put even more effort into their games and more cost,no way.
    I can't speak for others but i just want to relax when i play a game,i don't really need any VR headset unless it was a full on 100% VR in  a fps game.

    What have most gamer's been doing already?Yep sitting on the couch relaxing and many times crying about cumbersome keyboards and just want to game with a controller.What are two controllers going to do anyhow,force games to make every character a dual wield character ,so take gaming down a notch?

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  • ComanComan Member UncommonPosts: 2,178
    Salenger said:
    You obviously never used it...it was not VR at all...it was a flat red lines...it was basically a small screen with goggles around it...that only produced black...and red.

    Watch this for an example:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyVAp0tOk5A
    You should watch that example yourself. The guy clearly stated that with the tennis game "The 3d effect is actually pretty effective.". So clearly the tech could pull it off, it where just the games that did not make advantage of it effectively. 
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    GladDog said:
    Flyte27 said:

    I don't really want to use VR, but it has a chance to become mainstream at some point.

    I thought the same thing about the internet back in 1992.   BBS's were fine for me, and I brought my desktop to a friend's house twice a month for net play.  One of my buddies finally convinced me three years later to get on the 'net, and I have never gotten off...

    I have the same feeling about VR...
    phones for me...

    I recall the first time I heard someone tell me that 'google was going to create a Smart Phone OS based on the Linux kernal' I just laughed at them.

    and even when phones hit the market I said 'I am really not much of a mobile guy' well I have had a smart phone now for several years

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  • Flyte27Flyte27 Member RarePosts: 4,574
    SEANMCAD said:
    GladDog said:
    Flyte27 said:

    I don't really want to use VR, but it has a chance to become mainstream at some point.

    I thought the same thing about the internet back in 1992.   BBS's were fine for me, and I brought my desktop to a friend's house twice a month for net play.  One of my buddies finally convinced me three years later to get on the 'net, and I have never gotten off...

    I have the same feeling about VR...
    phones for me...

    I recall the first time I heard someone tell me that 'google was going to create a Smart Phone OS based on the Linux kernal' I just laughed at them.

    and even when phones hit the market I said 'I am really not much of a mobile guy' well I have had a smart phone now for several years
    I still don't like smart phones, but I can't really avoid them.  I actually was one of the first to get a Ipad and people laughed at me.  I also got a smart phone before most.  The thing I really dislike most about smart phones is you are never unhooked.  Someone can always reach you even if you don't really want to be bothered for the weekend.  I remember when I could go home from work and didn't have to worry about it after that or could forget appointments without feeling too bad.  Now there is no escape.
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    Flyte27 said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    GladDog said:
    Flyte27 said:

    I don't really want to use VR, but it has a chance to become mainstream at some point.

    I thought the same thing about the internet back in 1992.   BBS's were fine for me, and I brought my desktop to a friend's house twice a month for net play.  One of my buddies finally convinced me three years later to get on the 'net, and I have never gotten off...

    I have the same feeling about VR...
    phones for me...

    I recall the first time I heard someone tell me that 'google was going to create a Smart Phone OS based on the Linux kernal' I just laughed at them.

    and even when phones hit the market I said 'I am really not much of a mobile guy' well I have had a smart phone now for several years
    I still don't like smart phones, but I can't really avoid them.  I actually was one of the first to get a Ipad and people laughed at me.  I also got a smart phone before most.  The thing I really dislike most about smart phones is you are never unhooked.  Someone can always reach you even if you don't really want to be bothered for the weekend.  I remember when I could go home from work and didn't have to worry about it after that or could forget appointments without feeling too bad.  Now there is no escape.
    ah and to that point. when I got the Note 1 people said 'that is silly huge' it was 5" screen

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  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    Coman said:
    Salenger said:
    You obviously never used it...it was not VR at all...it was a flat red lines...it was basically a small screen with goggles around it...that only produced black...and red.

    Watch this for an example:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyVAp0tOk5A
    You should watch that example yourself. The guy clearly stated that with the tennis game "The 3d effect is actually pretty effective.". So clearly the tech could pull it off, it where just the games that did not make advantage of it effectively. 
    So you are going to pay 600-1500  to play a tennis game that has a flat court and a tennis ball bouncing back n forth??
    This is the kind of stuff i expect to see from VR applications,VERY meaningless low end games and then will it really make a game of tennis that more exciting?We already have Nintendo WII,i don't hear forum users raving about going out and buying the WII to play tennis.

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  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    She hates VR and wants everyone else to hate it too.  You should be more realistic and less cynical.  VR is almost here finally after 20 years of development.
    Are you onto something or just on something?
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    First electronic computer: ENIAC built in 1946 for ~ $6,000,000 (2016-adjusted $500K)... clearly no chance of it ever becoming mainstream :pleased: 
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  • tawesstawess Member EpicPosts: 4,227
    Same with AR. Not just a tool for Boeings factories but a actual consumer product. 


    This have been a good conversation

  • mgilbrtsnmgilbrtsn Member EpicPosts: 3,430
    Most people know that VR has been around.  New tech is an imprecise term, but for the most part get the point across.  The current generation of VR technology is a great leap in sophistication than that available in the 90s for example.  

    As with most things regarding language today, specified meaning of the words is less important than the intended thought behind the words.  Whether this is a good or bad thing, is a matter of debate.  However, it's increasingly true.

    For this reason, I wouldn't be bogged down in the exact language.  It makes for good semantic arguments for some, but if you look at the contextual use, you can usually understand what someone is intending.

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  • GruugGruug Member RarePosts: 1,794
    I don't know that the latest VR tech is going to work as advertised and promised. The only way I will be able to know for sure is to strap on one of those new VR headsets and see what it does. However, I am unwilling to go out and spend $600 just to "test drive" the things. I am hoping it works. But I also have some doubts. We shall see.

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  • LokeroLokero Member RarePosts: 1,514
    Iselin said:
    First electronic computer: ENIAC built in 1946 for ~ $6,000,000 (2016-adjusted $500K)... clearly no chance of it ever becoming mainstream :pleased: 
    This is exactly the point, really.

    VR of old is the equivalent of those first room-sized computers.  Nobody had it at home, so to the average person, when those first home PCs arrived, it was new tech.

    I used a VR system back in the 90s at public demos, but nobody actually owned those things in their homes.

    VR itself isn't a new concept, but mass public consumption of it is.
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