For me, these headsets are not VR. You need to other senses and body motion to count imo.
5 sense..
I wonder which 2 are the most important for immersion.
IDK... but you could walk into a sex shop and ask them
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
For me, these headsets are not VR. You need to other senses and body motion to count imo.
5 sense..
I wonder which 2 are the most important for immersion.
IDK... but you could walk into a sex shop and ask them
is that your way of suggesting that overall touch is more important than the other sense because of sex?
so VR isnt VR without sex? is that what you are getting at?
I meant either that or that you should step back, shake your head and take a break from evangelizing... I forget which now.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
For me, these headsets are not VR. You need to other senses and body motion to count imo.
5 sense..
I wonder which 2 are the most important for immersion.
IDK... but you could walk into a sex shop and ask them
is that your way of suggesting that overall touch is more important than the other sense because of sex?
so VR isnt VR without sex? is that what you are getting at?
I meant either that or that you should step back, shake your head and take a break from evangelizing... I forget which now.
whats nice about evangelizing is that it has NOTHING WHATSOEVER ABOUT BEING RIGHT OR WRONG.
Yes it does.
Evangelizing is about preaching the Gospel to people. Which is ALL about right or wrong...
nope that would also be incorrect. It CAN mean that but it doesnt mean it by default unless you think without exception everything a sales person says is a lie and if you do I feel tears for you.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Except now they can charge more and more because it's "new technology".
Love it.
But hey, if people like it, and want to spend their money on it, then so be it.
You really believe that?
Just like when cell phones came out, everyone thought they were ridicilous and now see how much they are evolved.
Let's see here:
Phone to Cell Phone:
Went from a bulky, wired device with a dial in your home to a multimedia communication device with camera, games, music and much more.
Added convenience, usability, social features: +9000
Monitor to VR:
Went from a LCD/OLED Monitor with 4K resolution, 10bit color to a bulky, heavy headset with bad resolution screen door effect and motion sickness that shuts you out completely.
Added convenience, usability, social features: -90000
I think it is pretty clear why the Mobile Phone is a success and why VR failed the first time and will fail again.
PS: Before you say the first mobile phone was also bulky and heavy, yeah it was but it had no wires and it was convenient and did not shut you out form your surroundings.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling." - Michael Bitton Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." - SEANMCAD
Except now they can charge more and more because it's "new technology".
Love it.
But hey, if people like it, and want to spend their money on it, then so be it.
You really believe that?
Just like when cell phones came out, everyone thought they were ridicilous and now see how much they are evolved.
Let's see here:
Phone to Cell Phone:
Went from a bulky, wired device with a dial in your home to a multimedia communication device with camera, games, music and much more.
Added convenience, usability, social features: +9000
Monitor to VR:
Went from a LCD/OLED Monitor with 4K resolution, 10bit color to a bulky, heavy headset with bad resolution screen door effect and motion sickness that shuts you out completely.
Added convenience, usability, social features: -90000
I think it is pretty clear why the Mobile Phone is a success and why VR failed the first time and will fail again.
PS: Before you say the first mobile phone was also bulky and heavy, yeah it was but it had no wires and it was convenient and did not shut you out form your surroundings.
The first mobile phones did have wires. They had 2 versions the first plugged into your car and the second plugged into a huge suitcase that you carried around. And these were not popular at all. But when the industry evolved and became economical it took the entire market. Just like VR will do one day.
Yeah those where the times. You could run around with your mobile for 7 DAYS ! I am verry lukey my lg g4 takes 1 DAY But in that one day i can not only make calls (thats whats it for) but i can see where i walk and i can watch porn and play games and facebook while i am doing it Now THAT'S called progress !
PS: Before you say the first mobile phone was also bulky and heavy, yeah it was but it had no wires and it was convenient and did not shut you out form your surroundings.
For me, these headsets are not VR. You need to other senses and body motion to count imo.
5 sense..
I wonder which 2 are the most important for immersion.
IDK... but you could walk into a sex shop and ask them
is that your way of suggesting that overall touch is more important than the other sense because of sex?
so VR isnt VR without sex? is that what you are getting at?
I meant either that or that you should step back, shake your head and take a break from evangelizing... I forget which now.
whats nice about evangelizing is that it has NOTHING WHATSOEVER ABOUT BEING RIGHT OR WRONG.
Yes it does.
Evangelizing is about preaching the Gospel to people. Which is ALL about right or wrong...
nope that would also be incorrect. It CAN mean that but it doesnt mean it by default unless you think without exception everything a sales person says is a lie and if you do I feel tears for you.
The word literally means what I said. It CAN mean nothing else.
/rolls eyes
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The people whining about VR on this forum are simply broke. They don't want to spend money on new tech. It's the same reason why they are on mmorpg.com. Because the vast majority of mmo's are free or super cheap entertainment. So they are constantly trying to convince themselves that this new VR era is stupid, so they don't have to go out and spend some money.
Because if they were REAL GAMERS like people that play MMO's are supposed to be, then they would be more interested in trying out this new immersive tech, before scoffing at it.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The people whining about VR on this forum are simply broke. They don't want to spend money on new tech. It's the same reason why they are on mmorpg.com. Because the vast majority of mmo's are free or super cheap entertainment. So they are constantly trying to convince themselves that this new VR era is stupid, so they don't have to go out and spend some money.
Because if they were REAL GAMERS like people that play MMO's are supposed to be, then they would be more interested in trying out this new immersive tech, before scoffing at it.
Cheapskates....period.
lol..yeah...that's it
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The people whining about VR on this forum are simply broke. They don't want to spend money on new tech. It's the same reason why they are on mmorpg.com. Because the vast majority of mmo's are free or super cheap entertainment. So they are constantly trying to convince themselves that this new VR era is stupid, so they don't have to go out and spend some money.
Because if they were REAL GAMERS like people that play MMO's are supposed to be, then they would be more interested in trying out this new immersive tech, before scoffing at it.
Cheapskates....period.
So I take it, if that snazzy new VR headset was 1.9 billion dollars, you'd buy one...
Just what I thought... a cheapskate calling us cheapskates!
there is nothing new under the sun, this is one of those situation our reach exceeding our grasp, until now we didn't really have the means to make a good vr experience, it was just a small monitor that was strapped to your head, no that we have head tracking software and the numerous thing developed for smart phones, not to mention 5 or so companie each developing their own vr headset, we are at the dawn of a new concepts that have talked about. You have facebook, razer, valve, sony and htc making stuff sony already mention 40+ games the will use vr and pc already has games that will use vr headsets after I say 2 years you will see each released and then prices will drop, new tech always comes out expensive it won't fail due to price but due to poor marketing, accesories and software will be the downfall of vr assuming they don't make your eyes bleed like virtual boy if used correctly like in a fps it would change they way we all play. Is it too much to ask untill this holiday season when two or three of them hit the selves before we gather our pitchforks and torches and claim it's doomed cause if half-life 3 is exclusive to vr...you would be throwing money at the screen
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The people whining about VR on this forum are simply broke. They don't want to spend money on new tech. It's the same reason why they are on mmorpg.com. Because the vast majority of mmo's are free or super cheap entertainment. So they are constantly trying to convince themselves that this new VR era is stupid, so they don't have to go out and spend some money.
Because if they were REAL GAMERS like people that play MMO's are supposed to be, then they would be more interested in trying out this new immersive tech, before scoffing at it.
Cheapskates....period.
Well i will never buy it for 599,- My monitor was 599,- Keyboard was 199,- Two GFX cards where 550,- a piece. (that's excluding the two 112,- water blocks) (and yes it will run circles around your alienware are 51) I must be a cheapskate. Just got coffee in the kitchen and my LD 7 reverse (450,- case) with a EVGA SR2 with 2 Xeon 5670 and 4 GTX570's (all with water blocks) say's the same thing i am a cheapskate. My god that must be the dumbest remark anyone can make, calling peeps scheapskates since they dont buy one. Some of us use cash and dont max out creditcards to buy stuff.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The people whining about VR on this forum are simply broke. They don't want to spend money on new tech. It's the same reason why they are on mmorpg.com. Because the vast majority of mmo's are free or super cheap entertainment. So they are constantly trying to convince themselves that this new VR era is stupid, so they don't have to go out and spend some money.
Because if they were REAL GAMERS like people that play MMO's are supposed to be, then they would be more interested in trying out this new immersive tech, before scoffing at it.
Cheapskates....period.
So I take it, if that snazzy new VR headset was 1.9 billion dollars, you'd buy one...
Just what I thought... a cheapskate calling us cheapskates!
My point is that REAL gamers are all about immersion. We buy the bigger TV's/monitors, the surround sound speakers/headphones, etc. REAL gamers are excited for the next page of immersion evolution. If someone hasn't tried the new VR yet, I understand being skeptical about it. But downright bashing it, saying it's stupid, etc., just shows their stubbornness. And it proves they aren't a real gamer.
Probably the same people that always have to be playing competitive games like MOBA's or PVP mmo's. Just another "sport" to them. They care nothing for innovation or immersion.
we all remember how 3D displays in gaming was going to be the new thing. look where it is now.... oh yeah, no one cares about it.
Sad reality is, VR will have its hype. It will have its white knights, then when it is not what it seems, people will abandon ship to the next "NEW" technology... but then again, this is coming from someone who only plays on 1080p because i care nothing about UHD/QHD. If i wanted realism, i would go outside and play a sport, i would go shoot my guns, i would go drive my car etc etc.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The people whining about VR on this forum are simply broke. They don't want to spend money on new tech. It's the same reason why they are on mmorpg.com. Because the vast majority of mmo's are free or super cheap entertainment. So they are constantly trying to convince themselves that this new VR era is stupid, so they don't have to go out and spend some money.
Because if they were REAL GAMERS like people that play MMO's are supposed to be, then they would be more interested in trying out this new immersive tech, before scoffing at it.
Cheapskates....period.
So I take it, if that snazzy new VR headset was 1.9 billion dollars, you'd buy one...
Just what I thought... a cheapskate calling us cheapskates!
My point is that REAL gamers are all about immersion. We buy the bigger TV's/monitors, the surround sound speakers/headphones, etc. REAL gamers are excited for the next page of immersion evolution. If someone hasn't tried the new VR yet, I understand being skeptical about it. But downright bashing it, saying it's stupid, etc., just shows their stubbornness. And it proves they aren't a real gamer.
Probably the same people that always have to be playing competitive games like MOBA's or PVP mmo's. Just another "sport" to them. They care nothing for innovation or immersion.
So explain to me what "real gamers" are then ? they are like eh peeps that get pay'd to play games ? (you know the ones that you say are not real gamer's) Are they peeps play play MMO's or are they FPS players ?
Real gamer's buy bigger TV's or monitors ? you got no clue what you are saying. I have a 27" and its already to big. (i got a QHD and a 4k one) Peeps that play on 40" or more TV's are peeps with consoles, are they real gamers then ? If i take out my optonica beamer and use my 127 inc projector am i a real gamer then ?
Or.... are you saying that real gamer are people that spend lots of money on useless hardware real gamers ?
B.T.W. if the HTC Vive was 599,- i would have ordered it (its 650,- btw)
pls Vhayne make some pictures of your hardware and see if your a REAL gamer :P
Except now they can charge more and more because it's "new technology".
Love it.
But hey, if people like it, and want to spend their money on it, then so be it.
You really believe that?
Just like when cell phones came out, everyone thought they were ridicilous and now see how much they are evolved.
Let's see here:
Phone to Cell Phone:
Went from a bulky, wired device with a dial in your home to a multimedia communication device with camera, games, music and much more.
Added convenience, usability, social features: +9000
Monitor to VR:
Went from a LCD/OLED Monitor with 4K resolution, 10bit color to a bulky, heavy headset with bad resolution screen door effect and motion sickness that shuts you out completely.
Added convenience, usability, social features: -90000
I think it is pretty clear why the Mobile Phone is a success and why VR failed the first time and will fail again.
PS: Before you say the first mobile phone was also bulky and heavy, yeah it was but it had no wires and it was convenient and did not shut you out form your surroundings.
The first mobile phones did have wires. They had 2 versions the first plugged into your car and the second plugged into a huge suitcase that you carried around. And these were not popular at all. But when the industry evolved and became economical it took the entire market. Just like VR will do one day.
How can VR become as convenient, social and practical as a mobile phone. It will always be just a replacement for a display device and it will always shut you out completely and it will always do just one thing: Display something.
VR has nowhere to go. It is what it is. An alternative display device that is always going to be worse than Monitors and AR or Holographic Displays.
PS: Before you say the first mobile phone was also bulky and heavy, yeah it was but it had no wires and it was convenient and did not shut you out form your surroundings.
You are right, people are distracted but it does not physically lock you out as a VR headset does. It does not counter the points i made though so i have no idea why you posted it.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling." - Michael Bitton Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." - SEANMCAD
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The people whining about VR on this forum are simply broke. They don't want to spend money on new tech. It's the same reason why they are on mmorpg.com. Because the vast majority of mmo's are free or super cheap entertainment. So they are constantly trying to convince themselves that this new VR era is stupid, so they don't have to go out and spend some money.
Because if they were REAL GAMERS like people that play MMO's are supposed to be, then they would be more interested in trying out this new immersive tech, before scoffing at it.
Cheapskates....period.
So I take it, if that snazzy new VR headset was 1.9 billion dollars, you'd buy one...
Just what I thought... a cheapskate calling us cheapskates!
My point is that REAL gamers are all about immersion. We buy the bigger TV's/monitors, the surround sound speakers/headphones, etc. REAL gamers are excited for the next page of immersion evolution. If someone hasn't tried the new VR yet, I understand being skeptical about it. But downright bashing it, saying it's stupid, etc., just shows their stubbornness. And it proves they aren't a real gamer.
Probably the same people that always have to be playing competitive games like MOBA's or PVP mmo's. Just another "sport" to them. They care nothing for innovation or immersion.
So explain to me what "real gamers" are then ? they are like eh peeps that get pay'd to play games ? (you know the ones that you say are not real gamer's) Are they peeps play play MMO's or are they FPS players ?
Real gamer's buy bigger TV's or monitors ? you got no clue what you are saying. I have a 27" and its already to big. (i got a QHD and a 4k one) Peeps that play on 40" or more TV's are peeps with consoles, are they real gamers then ? If i take out my optonica beamer and use my 127 inc projector am i a real gamer then ?
Or.... are you saying that real gamer are people that spend lots of money on useless hardware real gamers ?
B.T.W. if the HTC Vive was 599,- i would have ordered it (its 650,- btw)
pls Vhayne make some pictures of your hardware and see if your a REAL gamer :P
Because if they were REAL GAMERS like people that play MMO's are supposed to be, then they would be more interested in trying out this new immersive tech, before scoffing at it.
My point is that REAL gamers are all about immersion. ... And it proves they aren't a real gamer.
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“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
so VR isnt VR without sex? is that what you are getting at?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
VR for me isn't about gaming. It's more about engaging in a virtual world. Virtual worlds have been utter trash so far without VR.
well fair enough, I think I might have an old green and black monitor in my basement you can have.
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whats nice about evangelizing is that it has NOTHING WHATSOEVER ABOUT BEING RIGHT OR WRONG.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Evangelizing is about preaching the Gospel to people. Which is ALL about right or wrong...
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Phone to Cell Phone:
Went from a bulky, wired device with a dial in your home to a multimedia communication device with camera, games, music and much more.
Added convenience, usability, social features: +9000
Monitor to VR:
Went from a LCD/OLED Monitor with 4K resolution, 10bit color to a bulky, heavy headset with bad resolution screen door effect and motion sickness that shuts you out completely.
Added convenience, usability, social features: -90000
I think it is pretty clear why the Mobile Phone is a success and why VR failed the first time and will fail again.
PS: Before you say the first mobile phone was also bulky and heavy, yeah it was but it had no wires and it was convenient and did not shut you out form your surroundings.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
- Michael Bitton
Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about."
- SEANMCAD
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The first mobile phones did have wires. They had 2 versions the first plugged into your car and the second plugged into a huge suitcase that you carried around. And these were not popular at all. But when the industry evolved and became economical it took the entire market. Just like VR will do one day.
You could run around with your mobile for 7 DAYS !
I am verry lukey my lg g4 takes 1 DAY
But in that one day i can not only make calls (thats whats it for) but i can see where i walk and i can watch porn and play games and facebook while i am doing it Now THAT'S called progress !
http://abcnews.go.com/US/distracted-walking-petextrians-endangering-streets/story?id=32990067
/rolls eyes
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The people whining about VR on this forum are simply broke. They don't want to spend money on new tech. It's the same reason why they are on mmorpg.com. Because the vast majority of mmo's are free or super cheap entertainment. So they are constantly trying to convince themselves that this new VR era is stupid, so they don't have to go out and spend some money.
Because if they were REAL GAMERS like people that play MMO's are supposed to be, then they would be more interested in trying out this new immersive tech, before scoffing at it.
Cheapskates....period.
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
Just what I thought... a cheapskate calling us cheapskates!
My monitor was 599,-
Keyboard was 199,-
Two GFX cards where 550,- a piece.
(that's excluding the two 112,- water blocks)
(and yes it will run circles around your alienware are 51)
I must be a cheapskate.
Just got coffee in the kitchen and my LD 7 reverse (450,- case) with a EVGA SR2 with 2 Xeon 5670 and 4 GTX570's (all with water blocks) say's the same thing i am a cheapskate.
My god that must be the dumbest remark anyone can make, calling peeps scheapskates since they dont buy one.
Some of us use cash and dont max out creditcards to buy stuff.
My point is that REAL gamers are all about immersion. We buy the bigger TV's/monitors, the surround sound speakers/headphones, etc. REAL gamers are excited for the next page of immersion evolution. If someone hasn't tried the new VR yet, I understand being skeptical about it. But downright bashing it, saying it's stupid, etc., just shows their stubbornness. And it proves they aren't a real gamer.
Probably the same people that always have to be playing competitive games like MOBA's or PVP mmo's. Just another "sport" to them. They care nothing for innovation or immersion.
Sad reality is, VR will have its hype. It will have its white knights, then when it is not what it seems, people will abandon ship to the next "NEW" technology... but then again, this is coming from someone who only plays on 1080p because i care nothing about UHD/QHD. If i wanted realism, i would go outside and play a sport, i would go shoot my guns, i would go drive my car etc etc.
they are like eh peeps that get pay'd to play games ? (you know the ones that you say are not real gamer's)
Are they peeps play play MMO's or are they FPS players ?
Real gamer's buy bigger TV's or monitors ? you got no clue what you are saying.
I have a 27" and its already to big. (i got a QHD and a 4k one)
Peeps that play on 40" or more TV's are peeps with consoles, are they real gamers then ?
If i take out my optonica beamer and use my 127 inc projector am i a real gamer then ?
Or.... are you saying that real gamer are people that spend lots of money on useless hardware real gamers ?
B.T.W. if the HTC Vive was 599,- i would have ordered it
pls Vhayne make some pictures of your hardware and see if your a REAL gamer :P
VR has nowhere to go. It is what it is. An alternative display device that is always going to be worse than Monitors and AR or Holographic Displays.You are right, people are distracted but it does not physically lock you out as a VR headset does. It does not counter the points i made though so i have no idea why you posted it.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
- Michael Bitton
Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about."
- SEANMCAD
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??
$1500 Vive is all I have been able to find
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