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Blade & Soul is officially the worst launch I've ever seen of an MMORPG

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  • BillMurphyBillMurphy Former Managing EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 4,565
    Servers just went blammo. Can't even get the launcher to run right now (803pm EST). It's been bad, but not the worst. Hell, anyone who was around for AO, and just about any theme park after WoW between 2005 and 2010, can remember worse launches.

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  • PurutzilPurutzil Member UncommonPosts: 3,048
    The spoiled younger generation, claiming launches as the worst ever seen. I wonder what they would do if they  actually witnessed old MMo launches. They would probably be crying nonstop.

    That said, its obviously not a flawless launch, but honestly its not the worst I've seen either. Many issues with overpopulation (likely as part of them underestimating interest) and then some server issues recently but its not the worst ever. Guildwars 2 was probably the worst game launch I seen in 5 years was general much worst, but even that wouldn't compare to say the launch of other MMos.
  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130

    Purutzil said:
    The spoiled younger generation, claiming launches as the worst ever seen. I wonder what they would do if they  actually witnessed old MMo launches. They would probably be crying nonstop.
    It's completely normal that people expect MMO's networking side to work better than two decades ago.

    In the past you didn't have Plug & Play either, you had to reboot your PC each time you attached a peripheral.

    But if a company sold me a motherboard that didn't support Plug & Play in 2016, you better believe I would raise hell.
  • AldersAlders Member RarePosts: 2,207
    Torval said:
    Alders said:
    I sat in 8 hour long queues for Aion's launch. Rift was 2-4 hurs as well. B&S has been pretty easy going so far.

    Having said that - i really think the obvious locking out of free players in an attempt to get them to go premium is unacceptable. This game has channels for every zone and yet players can't log in? Sure. Whatever you say. 




    Why is catering to the p2p customer unacceptable? Why should they go to any extra effort for non-premium members? It seems like a good deal for those that actually paid for it.

    By the way login servers are usually different from game play servers. Login servers just get you to the game server so having zones to handle load on the live server isn't the same as a login server having the capacity to process logins.
    Giving players the ability to log in is now extra effort? I fully understand how login servers and game servers work. I'm also pretty confident that the overwhelming queues are intentional to persuade free players to go premium. It's an overall shitty way to go about front loading their profits before the inevitable drop off. In my opinion of course


  • LacedOpiumLacedOpium Member EpicPosts: 2,327
    edited January 2016
    The game in-world is relatively stable with very little lag or bugs, if any.  The problems they are having now all have to do with overloading capacity.  They have stretched themselves so thin trying to appease the masses that the servers are taking a crap. Stretching capacity was a risk and its obviously not paying off.  For everyone screaming that they should let more people in, this is the result ... no one is getting in.
  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
    bcbully said:
    DL'd a couple hours ago. No issues yet except for severs going down.
    aaagain.
  • AngryElfAngryElf Member UncommonPosts: 194
    OP ever play Archeage? 
  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 9,004
    ESO was pretty bad.

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  • barasawabarasawa Member UncommonPosts: 618
    edited January 2016
    I hate to tell you, but if you think B&S was the worst game launch ever, you have very little experience with game launches. That's not really a bad thing, as myself, and probably most people, would prefer great launches for all games. 
    Now if you said, "The worst game launch this year", you'd probably be right. Now let's cringe in horror that someone else can screw up and steal that unwanted title.

    Lost my mind, now trying to lose yours...

  • esc-joconnoresc-joconnor Member RarePosts: 1,097
    Pepeq said:
    If I wasn't laughing so hard right now, I'd probably be rolling my eyes...

    I need to start making some popcorn, the pitchforks are coming out in force now...
    I wouldn't have such a big problem with this launch if NCsoft hadn't already released this game in a crap-ton of other regions. They knew this game was going to be popular, it was obvious just based on launches in other regions, and yet they chose to take the greed route, making a limited number of servers and charging for priority queue to make a quick buck. 

    They have absolutely no excuse for this poorly managed launch.
    Ever think they didn't want to add too many new servers because they knew they wouldn't be needing them too long? For most MMORPGs in the last 10 years they have had the highest population at launch. That is also the time when people will be most willing to wait in a queue to play. It might even be better to not launch with all available servers, so you can add some in right away. Because I can tell you there is no way they had time to order and prepare new servers so quick. So they had them on hand. They hold some in reserve, add them in right away, then people see them responding to the problem and for a lot of people it ends up being a positive experience. So now they actually have the amount of servers they planned for production, but there are still queues because they know that once the rush dies down they won't need more. Sneaky, possibly, but it's a sneaky plan to deal with unreasonable expectations, so overall not a bad thing imho.
  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
    bcbully said:
    bcbully said:
    DL'd a couple hours ago. No issues yet except for severs going down.
    aaagain.
    aaan again....
  • fodell54fodell54 Member RarePosts: 865
    Kiyoris said:
    I agree . Then again, expect to be met with lots of people finding ridiculous excuses to justify this.

    Excuse 01: "it's free, therefore you get what you pay for"

    this argument of course ignores the fact that F2P often make more money than P2P MMO. It also ignores that F2P create a class system where free players are the second class citizen, not only inside the game, but outside the game too.

    Excuse 02:  "pay money if you want to skip the queue"

    this argument ignores that people who did pay money for Blade & Soul, had a queue too
    Of course you'd agree. It gives you another reason to complain about something. Everyone knows that's your MO on this site.
  • reeereeereeereee Member UncommonPosts: 1,636
    edited January 2016
    It's not a real launch until someone claims it's the worst ever. 
  • RazeeksterRazeekster Member UncommonPosts: 2,591
    edited January 2016
    azurrei said:
    azurrei said:
    Up until the servers crashing in NA last night, it was one of the smoothest MMO launches I have ever seen - you must be new to MMO's.
    Then you must be one of the few lucky ones, that doesn't make it a "one of the smoothest launches" for the majority of players.
    I guess so, so was my GF I guess...and my entire clan for that matter - other than fighting for some mobs, no lag, no crashes, no login server issues, no emergency maintenance, etc etc (until last night at 2 am.)  Not being able to log into a game because of the initial rush (like every other MMO launch or expansion launch) and having to sit in a queue because you choose to be a cheapskate is your own problem, not NcSoft's - and yet they are remedying the situation so those who don't want to spend a dime can do so with more and more servers opening up.  When you are getting something for free, patience should be something you have - clearly you don't.
    You obviously didn't read, I have premium, I still sat in a long-ass queue. Also the way you try to shame F2P players is shameful in itself. Feel good about yourself? You sound like one of those people that look down on others who have less income than you. Probably make a little sniffing nose of disgust when you see someone buy non-brand name items.

    Smile

  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    So basically you are mad cuz you cant play the game.  Yea they are having a problem right now but its not that bad just wait a few days it will smooth out.
    Are you onto something or just on something?
  • mbrodiembrodie Member RarePosts: 1,504
    massive queues on launch is to be expected.. i doubt any company would consider it to be worth it having enough servers available during this short period of time.  
    That argument unfortunately completely falls apart when you add in the fact that NCsoft is charging for priority queue.
    your argument falls apart, because what you're not considering is if everyone decides to make a character on 1 server it doesn't matter how many servers they have available because people still want to make characters on a specific server with friends.

    solution - lock server : even more qq from people who cant play with their friends, it's a catch 22 there is no winning solution.
  • jmcdermottukjmcdermottuk Member RarePosts: 1,571
    Derros said:
    I guess the launches of pretty much every MMO since I started with Anarchy Online's launch have left me with a relatively high tolerance for launch problems.
    This. Never in the history of mankind has there ever been anything close to AO for failure to launch. Kids these days eh? Don't know how good they have it.
  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
    3 time servers have went down. The last two times they were down for 10 then 5 mins. I just started playing a few hours ago...

    I just want to play Overwatch :(((
  • mmoguy43mmoguy43 Member UncommonPosts: 2,770
    Also to add^
    Yes, so this is now 2016, but that doesn't mean every aspect of a game is automatically better. F2P being the norm, launches are going to continue to be even more unpredictably rough population wise.
  • RazeeksterRazeekster Member UncommonPosts: 2,591
    edited January 2016
    fodell54 said:
    If you feel that this is the worst launch in MMO history you haven't been part of MMO history. I think you spent to much time posting here throughout the years and not enough time playing MMOs. This launch is smooth as butter compared to some of the launches many of us have been a part of. This is why people are laughing at you.
    I view this as one of worst not because of the technical side or anything to do with the game itself (it's a pretty decent game). I view this as one of the worst because to me it looks like it was launched in a bad way on purpose to profit off of people buying premium for faster queues. I've never suspected another company of launching their game in this fashion on purpose.

    It's setting a new low for the industry.

    Smile

  • Sumo79Sumo79 Member UncommonPosts: 21
    Yes.  Horrible launch.  Early Access was fine, and then it went to shit....
  • fodell54fodell54 Member RarePosts: 865
    edited January 2016
    fodell54 said:
    If you feel that this is the worst launch in MMO history you haven't been part of MMO history. I think you spent to much time posting here throughout the years and not enough time playing MMOs. This launch is smooth as butter compared to some of the launches many of us have been a part of. This is why people are laughing at you.
    I view this as one of worst not because of the technical side or anything to do with the game itself (it's a pretty decent game). I view this as one of the worst because to me it looks like it was launched in a bad way on purpose to profit off of people buying premium for faster queues. I've never suspected another company of launching their game in this fashion on purpose.
    I guess the launch VG years before it was ready, because they needed money. Or launching AoC with the starting area Tortage being complete and running flawlessly so players and critics thought it was great. Only to find out that when you left the area you would end up in places that didn't even have quests and all you could do is grind mobs. Not counting all the promised features that still aren't in the game to this day. OH..... How about Dark and Light. The game that people bought into and it turned out to be vaporware. Sounds to me like companies like money and will launch anything (except in the case of Dark and Lights) to turn a buck. 

    Again, you think this is the worse launch you haven't been part of many. 
  • fodell54fodell54 Member RarePosts: 865
    azurrei said:
    azurrei said:
    Up until the servers crashing in NA last night, it was one of the smoothest MMO launches I have ever seen - you must be new to MMO's.
    Then you must be one of the few lucky ones, that doesn't make it a "one of the smoothest launches" for the majority of players.
    I guess so, so was my GF I guess...and my entire clan for that matter - other than fighting for some mobs, no lag, no crashes, no login server issues, no emergency maintenance, etc etc (until last night at 2 am.)  Not being able to log into a game because of the initial rush (like every other MMO launch or expansion launch) and having to sit in a queue because you choose to be a cheapskate is your own problem, not NcSoft's - and yet they are remedying the situation so those who don't want to spend a dime can do so with more and more servers opening up.  When you are getting something for free, patience should be something you have - clearly you don't.
    You obviously didn't read, I have premium, I still sat in a long-ass queue. Also the way you try to shame F2P players is shameful in itself. Feel good about yourself? You sound like one of those people that look down on others who have less income than you. Probably make a little sniffing nose of disgust when you see someone buy non-brand name items.
    Play on a different server. I have premium and have never sat in a queue. Why? Because I didn't choose the most populated server. You can't complain about something when the writing is/was on the wall.

     B&S was obviously going to be popular at launch. Looking at the trend of recent launch it is clear for one to surmise that there would be queues. So, why would you make a character on one of the most populated servers?

    Even if you did by accident. Why would you wait in a long queue line when you have servers that have no queue? Doesn't really make much sense.
  • RazeeksterRazeekster Member UncommonPosts: 2,591
    Kiyoris said:
    I agree . Then again, expect to be met with lots of people finding ridiculous excuses to justify this.

    Excuse 01: "it's free, therefore you get what you pay for"

    this argument of course ignores the fact that F2P often make more money than P2P MMO. It also ignores that F2P create a class system where free players are the second class citizen, not only inside the game, but outside the game too.

    Excuse 02:  "pay money if you want to skip the queue"

    this argument ignores that people who did pay money for Blade & Soul, had a queue too
    Exactly. I find it funny how so many people are completely twisting my words and saying that it's my own fault for not paying when within my original post I say, "as I finally got in with my useless premium queue," which is a huge freaking clue that I bought premium.

    What does it matter though? "Premium queue" should not even exist, it's a scam and it makes it so more companies in the future will purposely hamper their game launches and provide this pay-to-have service. The fact that people are actually excusing it is surprising to me.

    Smile

  • Righteous_RockRighteous_Rock Member RarePosts: 1,234
    Took me about 3 hours but I did get a full refund.
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