CIG is acting really stupidly. If that scammer did a chargeback in 2013 then they should have reacted to it in 2013. They should let Grishord keep the packages because they failed to react in timely manner.
If they had reacted back in 2013 when the chargebacks were made it would be a different matter.
They weren't scrapped for cash back then is the only difference. They're trying to claw at every dollar they can get.
It is absolutely not good for them to do this in a large scale. They have nothing to win here except a lot pissed off original backers. Just imagine you have LTI laundered 2 years ago, additionally you have also invested $5000+ in your account, and there comes a CIGGuy and poofes all your ships away and wants $x on top of that cause you are responsible for any chargebacks of the laundered ships.
Sure you won't pay, and most likely it's to late for you to instantiate a chargeback.
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it. The cake is a lie.
Sure you won't pay, and most likely it's to late for you to instantiate a chargeback.
Not sure where you are but if you are in a country that has Credit Cards, you can absolutely charge back. CIG will email you some text which are A. WRONG. B. Illegal in most countries including USA
"I would also need to advise you that if you request a chargeback incorrectly that this would in itself be considered a fraudulent action."
"I am very sorry you felt the need to perform this, however chargebacks should only ever be used for cases of genuine fraud, where you have had no recollection of making the payment yourself. Using a chargeback as a means to gain a refund is a misuse of the system, and damages both us, and your own ability to use the payment provider in the future."
Talk to your bank and chargeback because the '14 days' applies AFTER Delivery of goods as agreed. And what's in the PU is not what was agreed so the 14 days cannot apply here. This is why CIG hasn't fought a single chargeback and why they are trying to scare customers into not doing a chargeback.
It shows what PvP games are really all about, and no, it's not about more realism and immersion. It's about cowards hiding behind a screen to they can bully other defenseless players without any risk of direct retaliation like there would be if they acted like asshats in "real life". -Jean-Luc_Picard
Life itself is a game. So why shouldn't your game be ruined? - justmemyselfandi
Sure you won't pay, and most likely it's to late for you to instantiate a chargeback.
Not sure where you are but if you are in a country that has Credit Cards, you can absolutely charge back. CIG will email you some text which are A. WRONG. B. Illegal in most countries including USA
"I would also need to advise you that if you request a chargeback incorrectly that this would in itself be considered a fraudulent action."
"I am very sorry you felt the need to perform this, however chargebacks should only ever be used for cases of genuine fraud, where you have had no recollection of making the payment yourself. Using a chargeback as a means to gain a refund is a misuse of the system, and damages both us, and your own ability to use the payment provider in the future."
Talk to your bank and chargeback because the '14 days' applies AFTER Delivery of goods as agreed. And what's in the PU is not what was agreed so the 14 days cannot apply here. This is why CIG hasn't fought a single chargeback and why they are trying to scare customers into not doing a chargeback.
EU Law states 13 Months, but the case in this thread is 24+ months ago before they decided to go after him.
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it. The cake is a lie.
Sure you won't pay, and most likely it's to late for you to instantiate a chargeback.
Not sure where you are but if you are in a country that has Credit Cards, you can absolutely charge back. CIG will email you some text which are A. WRONG. B. Illegal in most countries including USA
"I would also need to advise you that if you request a chargeback incorrectly that this would in itself be considered a fraudulent action."
"I am very sorry you felt the need to perform this, however chargebacks should only ever be used for cases of genuine fraud, where you have had no recollection of making the payment yourself. Using a chargeback as a means to gain a refund is a misuse of the system, and damages both us, and your own ability to use the payment provider in the future."
Talk to your bank and chargeback because the '14 days' applies AFTER Delivery of goods as agreed. And what's in the PU is not what was agreed so the 14 days cannot apply here. This is why CIG hasn't fought a single chargeback and why they are trying to scare customers into not doing a chargeback.
They are technically not wrong, what they describe is pretty much what you can read on any agreement regarding your right to do a charge back. It all comes down to your bank and what they consider to be a fraudulent action.
Now ofc no bank would really slam you over such a small transaction and CIG would not bother to fight it as the cost to do so is higher than what most people paid for the game. Now if you are in at the 10k+ level.. they might be a bit more grumpy. =P
I wonder how many people who are considering chargeback as a positive move have ever even given a dime to SC in the first place
Wat the heck does that mean? Seems like you don't want anyone at CIG held responsible for having nothing you can call a game after this long?
Nothing CR is doing can be called developing a game at this time. They develop ships in a game that isn't even started yet. All they have is a concept mod. You should all be worried they don't even have a engine to make SC let alone SQ42.
I wonder how many people who are considering chargeback as a positive move have ever even given a dime to SC in the first place
Wat the heck does that mean? Seems like you don't want anyone at CIG held responsible for having nothing you can call a game after this long?
Nothing CR is doing can be called developing a game at this time. They develop ships in a game that isn't even started yet. All they have is a concept mod. You should all be worried they don't even have a engine to make SC let alone SQ42.
what I mean is exactly what I wrote.
I have no moral conclusion or even a thought as to how it 'should be'.
I simply wonder how many people who are supporting massive chargebacks actually gave a dime to SC in the first place. no other
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I wonder how many people who are considering chargeback as a positive move have ever even given a dime to SC in the first place
Wat the heck does that mean? Seems like you don't want anyone at CIG held responsible for having nothing you can call a game after this long?
Nothing CR is doing can be called developing a game at this time. They develop ships in a game that isn't even started yet. All they have is a concept mod. You should all be worried they don't even have a engine to make SC let alone SQ42.
People can charge-back at present, if things go for too long with nothing to show, lots of things can happen; from class action lawsuits, to governing bodies stepping in with criminal fraud charges, etc... There's no real reason to worry CR won't be held responsible, or those who don't wanna be are stuck with no recourse. In turn there's no reason to jump in with this line of accusation in reply to everything that doesn't go along with your or others agenda here.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I just wonder what is it folks want to happen? Do you want the project to be dismantled at this point? All proceeds given back, or owed etc? Do you really think that's what folks who put thousands into this want?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I just wonder what is it folks want to happen? Do you want the project to be dismantled at this point? All proceeds given back, or owed etc? Do you really think that's what folks who put thousands into this want?
that is exactly what critics want
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I just wonder what is it folks want to happen? Do you want the project to be dismantled at this point? All proceeds given back, or owed etc? Do you really think that's what folks who put thousands into this want?
that is exactly what critics want
Sure does seem that way, yet I don't see how anyone really benefits from that.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I just wonder what is it folks want to happen? Do you want the project to be dismantled at this point? All proceeds given back, or owed etc? Do you really think that's what folks who put thousands into this want?
I want to see a real space sim developed. But if the critics are correct and there isn't going to be a game or the game as promised, then yeah, I'd want the charade to end.
I just wonder what is it folks want to happen? Do you want the project to be dismantled at this point? All proceeds given back, or owed etc? Do you really think that's what folks who put thousands into this want?
I want to see a real space sim developed. But if the critics are correct and there isn't going to be a game or the game as promised, then yeah, I'd want the charade to end.
and the parties will be off the hook!
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I just wonder what is it folks want to happen? Do you want the project to be dismantled at this point? All proceeds given back, or owed etc? Do you really think that's what folks who put thousands into this want?
I want to see a real space sim developed. But if the critics are correct and there isn't going to be a game or the game as promised, then yeah, I'd want the charade to end.
I don't disagree, yet that's the problem. I have no real idea whether it's a charade or not. I can't see how anyone (outside of CIG), no matter what they say does. So basically to me it's like saying lets just screw everyone involved over (yeah they really care about the backers) just in case...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I just wonder what is it folks want to happen? Do you want the project to be dismantled at this point? All proceeds given back, or owed etc? Do you really think that's what folks who put thousands into this want?
I want to see a real space sim developed. But if the critics are correct and there isn't going to be a game or the game as promised, then yeah, I'd want the charade to end.
Just buy Elite Dangerous.
or have you ever given a dime to anything even remotely close to a Space Sim?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I just wonder what is it folks want to happen? Do you want the project to be dismantled at this point? All proceeds given back, or owed etc? Do you really think that's what folks who put thousands into this want?
that is exactly what critics want
I imagine "critics" want a wide-ranging spectrum of resolutions. We're not all the same "animal". While my conjecture is admittedly verbose and, at times, vitriolic, I'm not immersed in the same schadenfreude as many of the like-minded iconoclasts. Some of the toxic hatred I read in other "places" concerns me, and were my words and expressions as those, I think you'd have a point, but they are not.
I am a moderate, a skeptic. I believe "something could come" ( and that something will be far less than anticipated ), but more importantly "something should come", and there's not enough voice for the opposition. I believe, at this stage, it's not only intellectually honest, but imperative to display evidence, discuss progress and take the propagators to task. My use of humor, and at times sensationalism, I feel, is particularly necessary in contrast to the inveiglement and sycophancy against which I'm competing.
I'd very much like to see Roberts admit, sooner than later, any mmorpg aspect of this project will not be possible with cryengine, and to reverse course with new software, hopefully with ported art assets. I'd very much like CIG to stop using backer funds in a self-perpetuating propaganda machine, but rather direct those assets to project preservation. I'd very much like to see, in essence, less talk and more walk. I'd very much like to see more competent project management. I'd like to see promotional videos labeled "not representative of actual gameplay".
I just wonder what is it folks want to happen? Do you want the project to be dismantled at this point? All proceeds given back, or owed etc? Do you really think that's what folks who put thousands into this want?
that is exactly what critics want
I imagine "critics" want a wide-ranging spectrum of resolutions. We're not all the same "animal". While my conjecture is admittedly verbose and, at times, vitriolic, I'm not immersed in the same schadenfreude as many of the like-minded iconoclasts. Some of the toxic hatred I read in other "places" concerns me, and were my words and expressions as those, I think you'd have a point, but they are not.
I am a moderate, a skeptic. I believe "something could come" ( and that something will be far less than anticipated ), but more importantly "something should come", and there's not enough voice for the opposition. I believe, at this stage, it's not only intellectually honest, but imperative to display evidence, discuss progress and take the propagators to task. My use of humor, and at times sensationalism, I feel, is particularly necessary in contrast to the inveiglement and sycophancy against which I'm competing.
I'd very much like to see Roberts admit, sooner than later, any mmorpg aspect of this project will not be possible with cryengine, and to reverse course with new software, hopefully with ported art assets. I'd very much like CIG to stop using backer funds in a self-perpetuating propaganda machine, but rather direct those assets to project preservation. I'd very much like to see, in essence, less talk and more walk. I'd very much like to see more competent project management. I'd like to see promotional videos labeled "not representative of actual gameplay".
just buy Elite Dangerous
oh and the moderate on these boards I think is me although I have been described as a white knight which is funny because I think Elite Dangerous is the better option for many reasons
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
oh and the moderate on these boards I think is me although I have been described as a white knight which is funny because I think Elite Dangerous is the better option for many reasons
I honestly don't feel you have a formulated, cognitive position on this.
I just wonder what is it folks want to happen? Do you want the project to be dismantled at this point? All proceeds given back, or owed etc? Do you really think that's what folks who put thousands into this want?
that is exactly what critics want
I imagine "critics" want a wide-ranging spectrum of resolutions. We're not all the same "animal". While my conjecture is admittedly verbose and, at times, vitriolic, I'm not immersed in the same schadenfreude as many of the like-minded iconoclasts. Some of the toxic hatred I read in other "places" concerns me, and were my words and expressions as those, I think you'd have a point, but they are not.
I am a moderate, a skeptic. I believe "something could come" ( and that something will be far less than anticipated ), but more importantly "something should come", and there's not enough voice for the opposition. I believe, at this stage, it's not only intellectually honest, but imperative to display evidence, discuss progress and take the propagators to task. My use of humor, and at times sensationalism, I feel, is particularly necessary in contrast to the inveiglement and sycophancy against which I'm competing.
I'd very much like to see Roberts admit, sooner than later, any mmorpg aspect of this project will not be possible with cryengine, and to reverse course with new software, hopefully with ported art assets. I'd very much like CIG to stop using backer funds in a self-perpetuating propaganda machine, but rather direct those assets to project preservation. I'd very much like to see, in essence, less talk and more walk. I'd very much like to see more competent project management. I'd like to see promotional videos labeled "not representative of actual gameplay".
Fair enough, although I'd say all I tend to hear is the voice of the opposition lol.... Very few discussions on this game revolve around positive inclination.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
oh and the moderate on these boards I think is me although I have been described as a white knight which is funny because I think Elite Dangerous is the better option for many reasons
I honestly don't feel you have a formulated, cognitive position on this.
not on this specific position no. but SC in general? multiple times.
The summation of which is 'buy Elite Dangerous instead'
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Fair enough, although I'd say all I tend to hear is the voice of the opposition lol.... Very few discussions on this game revolve around positive inclination.
I give credit when credit is due. Several posts above, I included CIG's relent on the thread's original topic. Tell them to show more for which I should give credit, I will do it.
I wonder how many people who are considering chargeback as a positive move have ever even given a dime to SC in the first place
I wonder how many people who have not donated to Star Citizen come to these threads and post...
Glad this got resolved in the guys favor.
"Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game." - SEANMCAD
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They have nothing to win here except a lot pissed off original backers.
Just imagine you have LTI laundered 2 years ago, additionally you have also invested $5000+ in your account, and there comes a CIGGuy and poofes all your ships away and wants $x on top of that cause you are responsible for any chargebacks of the laundered ships.
Sure you won't pay, and most likely it's to late for you to instantiate a chargeback.
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
The cake is a lie.
CIG will email you some text which are A. WRONG. B. Illegal in most countries including USA
"I would also need to advise you that if you request a chargeback incorrectly that this would in itself be considered a fraudulent action."
"I am very sorry you felt the need to perform this, however chargebacks should only ever be used for cases of genuine fraud, where you have had no recollection of making the payment yourself. Using a chargeback as a means to gain a refund is a misuse of the system, and damages both us, and your own ability to use the payment provider in the future."
Talk to your bank and chargeback because the '14 days' applies AFTER Delivery of goods as agreed.
And what's in the PU is not what was agreed so the 14 days cannot apply here. This is why CIG hasn't fought a single chargeback and why they are trying to scare customers into not doing a chargeback.
It shows what PvP games are really all about, and no, it's not about more realism and immersion. It's about cowards hiding behind a screen to they can bully other defenseless players without any risk of direct retaliation like there would be if they acted like asshats in "real life". -Jean-Luc_Picard
Life itself is a game. So why shouldn't your game be ruined? - justmemyselfandi
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
The cake is a lie.
They are technically not wrong, what they describe is pretty much what you can read on any agreement regarding your right to do a charge back. It all comes down to your bank and what they consider to be a fraudulent action.
Now ofc no bank would really slam you over such a small transaction and CIG would not bother to fight it as the cost to do so is higher than what most people paid for the game. Now if you are in at the 10k+ level.. they might be a bit more grumpy. =P
This have been a good conversation
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Nothing CR is doing can be called developing a game at this time. They develop ships in a game that isn't even started yet. All they have is a concept mod. You should all be worried they don't even have a engine to make SC let alone SQ42.
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
I have no moral conclusion or even a thought as to how it 'should be'.
I simply wonder how many people who are supporting massive chargebacks actually gave a dime to SC in the first place. no other
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
or have you ever given a dime to anything even remotely close to a Space Sim?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
I am a moderate, a skeptic. I believe "something could come" ( and that something will be far less than anticipated ), but more importantly "something should come", and there's not enough voice for the opposition. I believe, at this stage, it's not only intellectually honest, but imperative to display evidence, discuss progress and take the propagators to task. My use of humor, and at times sensationalism, I feel, is particularly necessary in contrast to the inveiglement and sycophancy against which I'm competing.
I'd very much like to see Roberts admit, sooner than later, any mmorpg aspect of this project will not be possible with cryengine, and to reverse course with new software, hopefully with ported art assets. I'd very much like CIG to stop using backer funds in a self-perpetuating propaganda machine, but rather direct those assets to project preservation. I'd very much like to see, in essence, less talk and more walk. I'd very much like to see more competent project management. I'd like to see promotional videos labeled "not representative of actual gameplay".
buy
Elite
Dangerous
oh and the moderate on these boards I think is me although I have been described as a white knight which is funny because I think Elite Dangerous is the better option for many reasons
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
The summation of which is 'buy Elite Dangerous instead'
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Glad this got resolved in the guys favor.