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Grey Market & Chargeback Shenanigans

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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    Talonsin said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    I wonder how many people who are considering chargeback as a positive move have ever even given a dime to SC in the first place
    I wonder how many people who have not donated to Star Citizen come to these threads and post...

    Glad this got resolved in the guys favor.
    well we got at least a count of 1 which is more than I got for my question

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

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  • BrenicsBrenics Member RarePosts: 1,939
    Adjuvant1 said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Distopia said:
    I just wonder what is it folks want to happen? Do you want the project to be dismantled at this point? All proceeds given back, or owed etc? Do you really think that's what folks who put thousands into this want?
    that is exactly what critics want
    I imagine "critics" want a wide-ranging spectrum of resolutions. We're not all the same "animal". While my conjecture is admittedly verbose and, at times, vitriolic, I'm not immersed in the same schadenfreude as many of the like-minded iconoclasts. Some of the toxic hatred I read in other "places" concerns me, and were my words and expressions as those, I think you'd have a point, but they are not.

    I am a moderate, a skeptic. I believe "something could come" ( and that something will be far less than anticipated ), but more importantly "something should come", and there's not enough voice for the opposition. I believe, at this stage, it's not only intellectually honest, but imperative to display evidence, discuss progress and take the propagators to task. My use of humor, and at times sensationalism, I feel, is particularly necessary in contrast to the inveiglement and sycophancy against which I'm competing.

    I'd very much like to see Roberts admit, sooner than later, any mmorpg aspect of this project will not be possible with cryengine, and to reverse course with new software, hopefully with ported art assets. I'd very much like CIG to stop using backer funds in a self-perpetuating propaganda machine, but rather direct those assets to project preservation. I'd very much like to see, in essence, less talk and more walk. I'd very much like to see more competent project management. I'd like to see promotional videos labeled "not representative of actual gameplay".
    That will never happen with CR, its the same problem he always had. He can't stay on track.
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  • Turrican187Turrican187 Member UncommonPosts: 787
    Adjuvant1 said:
    [...]
    I'd very much like to see Roberts admit, sooner than later, any mmorpg aspect of this project will not be possible with cryengine, and to reverse course with new software,
    [...]
    ArcheAge is running on Cry, it has MultiCrew wagons as well (though no physic based models or different grids) :)

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  • breadm1xbreadm1x Member UncommonPosts: 374
    I allways woner about the "Tax" part in this, someone explain it.

  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,329
    edited February 2016
    breadm1x said:
    I allways woner about the "Tax" part in this, someone explain it.
    Can only speak as a European backer:
    At first they did not add tax (which was nice), but the European laws forced them to add VAT later.


    Have fun


    PS:

    DING ... 108 million ....looks to me like the influx of new backers is several ORDERS of magnitude larger than any refunds or chargebacks.
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  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,996
    edited February 2016
    Erillion said:

    DING ... 108 million ....looks to me like the influx of new backers is several ORDERS of magnitude larger than any refunds or chargebacks.
    We have no idea whether they subtract refunds and chargebacks from that counter. Or do you perhaps have some knowledge?


    I think it's obvious that their influx of new backers is several order of magnitude larger than refunds. I'm not trying to argue about that, I'm just curious as to how their counter works.
     
  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,329
    Vrika said:
     I'm just curious as to how their counter works.
    You could make this a question in one of the "10 for the XXX" threads.

    Would also be interesting if the amount of money gained from subscribers is included in the counter for the amount of money gathered (currently 108 million).


    Have fun
  • Turrican187Turrican187 Member UncommonPosts: 787
    Erillion said:
    breadm1x said:
    I allways woner about the "Tax" part in this, someone explain it.
    Can only speak as a European backer:
    At first they did not add tax (which was nice), but the European laws forced them to add VAT later.


    Have fun


    PS:

    DING ... 108 million ....looks to me like the influx of new backers is several ORDERS of magnitude larger than any refunds or chargebacks.
    The Google payed ad campaigned helped I guess.

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  • rpmcmurphyrpmcmurphy Member EpicPosts: 3,502
    edited February 2016
    breadm1x said:
    I allways woner about the "Tax" part in this, someone explain it.

    The tax part was a law brought in for EU member states to force companies to pay corporate tax at the rate of the country they operate from rather than allowing them to use tax avoidance schemes like the double Irish + Dutch sandwich arrangement.
  • Adjuvant1Adjuvant1 Member RarePosts: 2,100
    Erillion said:
    Vrika said:
     I'm just curious as to how their counter works.
    You could make this a question in one of the "10 for the XXX" threads.

    Would also be interesting if the amount of money gained from subscribers is included in the counter for the amount of money gathered (currently 108 million).


    Have fun
    You seem very proud the company is fleecing so many unaware people.
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