Sony VR

SEANMCAD

Personally if I where Sony I would try to stop drawing attention that you only have 36 million PS4s in the market right now. That is not really a large number in the context of what we are talking about here.

http://venturebeat.com/2016/02/10/playstation-vr-boss-36-million-ps4-owners-are-ready-for-vr/

Ridelynn

It beats any other current gen console. That's something to crow about. Especially since last gen all you heard about was how the 360 was trouncing the PS3 (even though the Wii trounced them both, and currently the PS3 has almost caught up to the 360).

Sure, you aren't beating consoles that have 10 year install bases, but hey, give them 10 years and let's see where they are.

Looking at where the Wii was 2 years into it's lifecycle (44.96M units sold), and the PS2 2 years into it's lifecycle (28.68M) - both of those consoles went on to exceed 100M units sold, and the PS4 is on a similar track.

I think what Sony is trying to do is two-fold:
First off, PS4 is beating the XBone, so buy a PS4 and develop for the PS4
And secondly, console gaming isn't dead, so buy a PS4 and develop for the PS4

Sales numbers are a very good way to reinforce that.

SEANMCAD

I see what you are both saying I just come in from it as a different perspective so i dont notice the comments of Sony really being more of a jab at Xbox I see it as a statement against Oculus in which case it makes my me confused because in the PC universe its not a large number

Ridelynn

I figured you would be all for anything VR, not just OR

SoloAnything

I can't wait to buy Sony VR, I have everything Sony since PSOne. I'm happy PS4 was a success and sold more than the competition, every game I play online has very quick queue to group up cause of healthy playerbase. OP why you have to be bitter?

Kiyoris

VR is losing its momentum.

We should be seeing AAA VR titles being announced, but nothing is.

acidblood

SEANMCAD said:

I see what you are both saying I just come in from it as a different perspective so i dont notice the comments of Sony really being more of a jab at Xbox I see it as a statement against Oculus in which case it makes my me confused because in the PC universe its not a large number

Except that not all PCs are gaming PCs and not all gaming PCs are capable of running an Oculus...

Hulluck

Ridelynn said:

I figured you would be all for anything VR, not just OR

No. He seems to be only for Oculus. Been doing the same crap on this given topic for however long Oculus has been a thing. Long time.  Only reason I remember is because how completely nonobjective his stance can be and that he spams most threads that popup on this subject.

My only question is what is his motivation.  Genuinely curious. Is he just trolling the topic.  Is he just a strong supporter of Oculus? Paid?   Doesn't matter. Just curious whenever I see one of these topics.

Tasslehoff35

Well Sony needs to crow and drum up as much attention as they can because if they continue their current path they won't be around to launch the next Gen console which is bad for gamers competition is good contrary to what the Sony ponies on this site think.  

Having PS4 be the #1 selling console isn't going to save a company that lost another $500 million in 2015 making it 6 losing years in the last 7 with total losses passing $10 Billion.  

SEANMCAD

Kiyoris said:

VR is losing its momentum.

We should be seeing AAA VR titles being announced, but nothing is.

its not losing momentum at all.

why would you even say that?

is there supposed to be a news story every day reminding you that pre-orders are aviable?

also..for the billionith time there is a AAA title coming out with the Oculus on Day 1. which has been in the news multiple times and has been known for months now

SEANMCAD

acidblood said:

SEANMCAD said:

I see what you are both saying I just come in from it as a different perspective so i dont notice the comments of Sony really being more of a jab at Xbox I see it as a statement against Oculus in which case it makes my me confused because in the PC universe its not a large number

Except that not all PCs are gaming PCs and not all gaming PCs are capable of running an Oculus...

however pretty much every PC ever made can run the technology that is in the PS4 VR headset which has resolution of 1/4 that of Oculus.

Phry

SEANMCAD said:

acidblood said:

SEANMCAD said:

I see what you are both saying I just come in from it as a different perspective so i dont notice the comments of Sony really being more of a jab at Xbox I see it as a statement against Oculus in which case it makes my me confused because in the PC universe its not a large number

Except that not all PCs are gaming PCs and not all gaming PCs are capable of running an Oculus...

however pretty much every PC ever made can run the technology that is in the PS4 VR headset which has resolution of 1/4 that of Oculus.

Given that Sony have so far been saying that the Sony VR has a resolution of 1080, are you suggesting that the OR has a 4k resolution now?
https://www.playstation.com/en-us/explore/playstation-vr/
tbh your starting to sound like your worried about Sony's VR offering, which considering your interest in VR is a bit strange, i would have thought you would be all for VR.

SEANMCAD

Phry said:

SEANMCAD said:

acidblood said:

SEANMCAD said:

I see what you are both saying I just come in from it as a different perspective so i dont notice the comments of Sony really being more of a jab at Xbox I see it as a statement against Oculus in which case it makes my me confused because in the PC universe its not a large number

Except that not all PCs are gaming PCs and not all gaming PCs are capable of running an Oculus...

however pretty much every PC ever made can run the technology that is in the PS4 VR headset which has resolution of 1/4 that of Oculus.

Given that Sony have so far been saying that the Sony VR has a resolution of 1080, are you suggesting that the OR has a 4k resolution now?
https://www.playstation.com/en-us/explore/playstation-vr/
tbh your starting to sound like your worried about Sony's VR offering, which considering your interest in VR is a bit strange, i would have thought you would be all for VR.

opps no just 2x my bad that doesnt change much Oculus is 1080p per eye at 90FPS.

If PS4 cant get 60FPS at 1080p how is this going to work exactly.?

you tell me

and no I find Sony VR hysterical and even more so how they sell it

Phry

SEANMCAD said:

Phry said:

SEANMCAD said:

acidblood said:

SEANMCAD said:

I see what you are both saying I just come in from it as a different perspective so i dont notice the comments of Sony really being more of a jab at Xbox I see it as a statement against Oculus in which case it makes my me confused because in the PC universe its not a large number

Except that not all PCs are gaming PCs and not all gaming PCs are capable of running an Oculus...

however pretty much every PC ever made can run the technology that is in the PS4 VR headset which has resolution of 1/4 that of Oculus.

Given that Sony have so far been saying that the Sony VR has a resolution of 1080, are you suggesting that the OR has a 4k resolution now?
https://www.playstation.com/en-us/explore/playstation-vr/
tbh your starting to sound like your worried about Sony's VR offering, which considering your interest in VR is a bit strange, i would have thought you would be all for VR.

opps no just 2x my bad that doesnt change much Oculus is 1080p per eye at 90FPS.

If PS4 cant get 60FPS at 1080p how is this going to work exactly.?

you tell me

and no I find Sony VR hysterical and even more so how they sell it

what makes you think they can't get it at 60 fps?

And yes, 90 fps is definitely better, no question, but, its highly likely that Sony VR is the more affordable, after all, if you have a PS4, then thats all you need for the Sony VR to work, with the OR you also need a high end rig, not many have a PC that has that kind of power, and that is entirely why the OR can have such high resolutions and have 90 fps, sure enough if you tried to run the OR on a mid range gaming PC then you most certainly would not get 90 fps from it, no question.
Sony VR may well be the most affordable option out there, if some potentially leaked information is correct, if so then it may well be the vehicle on which VR is brought to the masses, which would encourage more game development for VR, which is a good thing for everyone right?
http://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/gaming/643430/PlayStation-VR-release-date-leak-2016-Sony-PS4

Tasslehoff35

Phry said:

SEANMCAD said:

Phry said:

SEANMCAD said:

acidblood said:

SEANMCAD said:

I see what you are both saying I just come in from it as a different perspective so i dont notice the comments of Sony really being more of a jab at Xbox I see it as a statement against Oculus in which case it makes my me confused because in the PC universe its not a large number

Except that not all PCs are gaming PCs and not all gaming PCs are capable of running an Oculus...

however pretty much every PC ever made can run the technology that is in the PS4 VR headset which has resolution of 1/4 that of Oculus.

Given that Sony have so far been saying that the Sony VR has a resolution of 1080, are you suggesting that the OR has a 4k resolution now?
https://www.playstation.com/en-us/explore/playstation-vr/
tbh your starting to sound like your worried about Sony's VR offering, which considering your interest in VR is a bit strange, i would have thought you would be all for VR.

opps no just 2x my bad that doesnt change much Oculus is 1080p per eye at 90FPS.

If PS4 cant get 60FPS at 1080p how is this going to work exactly.?

you tell me

and no I find Sony VR hysterical and even more so how they sell it

what makes you think they can't get it at 60 fps?

And yes, 90 fps is definitely better, no question, but, its highly likely that Sony VR is the more affordable, after all, if you have a PS4, then thats all you need for the Sony VR to work, with the OR you also need a high end rig, not many have a PC that has that kind of power, and that is entirely why the OR can have such high resolutions and have 90 fps, sure enough if you tried to run the OR on a mid range gaming PC then you most certainly would not get 90 fps from it, no question.
Sony VR may well be the most affordable option out there, if some potentially leaked information is correct, if so then it may well be the vehicle on which VR is brought to the masses, which would encourage more game development for VR, which is a good thing for everyone right?
http://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/gaming/643430/PlayStation-VR-release-date-leak-2016-Sony-PS4

Brought to the masses?  How do you figure?  In the big picture (not a Sony pony view) the ps4 doesn't represent a very large percentage of the gamer player base.  

SEANMCAD

Phry said:

because the Playstation 4 hasnt been able to perform a game yet at 60fps at 1080p. So i have to ask how this is going to work.

Why does this bother me?

1. The resolution and frame rate of the Sony VR based off what the PS4 has done for gaming is at best as good at the Dk1 which came out several years ago. So its a little disingenuous to say the least to compare your product that has technology performance that is around 3 years old to something that has a very high end performance base.

2. if Oculus was to re-release the Dk1 as a consumer product it would slap sonys numbers in the face big time.

3. These resolutions and frame rates might not matter to you (clearly an 'expert' in VR) however the folks over at Oculus say with their testing and such its not acceptable in ways that is DIFFERENT from monitors namely because you are 1" from the monitor and not 1' and as such resolution and frame rate issues are magnified exceptionally but you knew that...right?

4. another one of my predictions has come true. I predicted about a year ago that people will stop debating that VR is never going to happen and start debating on WHO will win the VR wars. and I predicted people would focus their engery on saying Oculus will not win. This way they can casually appear to still be against VR happening and yet at the same time get with the times and its obvious future. 

Ridelynn

No, I think a lot of us are still very much debating that VR is not a thing.

You are pretty much the only one who's picked a side and damned the torpedoes. Remember that thread on fragmentation not to long ago... hmm...

SEANMCAD

Ridelynn said:

No, I think a lot of us are still very much debating that VR is not a thing.

You are pretty much the only one who's picked a side and damned the torpedoes. Remember that thread on fragmentation not to long ago... hmm...

I think the best VR headset solution is HTC Vive.

I have pick sides on what I DONT like, not on what I DO like.

Sony VR is some grade A bull and for the most part not even as good as GearVR which is the one I think will have a surprising success

and thus far the only person I have read a post that suggests Sony VR will fail is you and me. hardly a debate on VR failing now is it?

13lake

Best VR solution is not HTC Vive, the best is Star VR, ... it is the only one to be even moderately up to the minimum field of view, and has the bare minimum per eye resolution (still way to low)

SEANMCAD

13lake said:

Best VR solution is not HTC Vive, the best is Star VR, ... it is the only one to be even moderately up to the minimum field of view, and has the bare minimum per eye resolution (still way to low)

way way way to far into the 'concept' phase at the moment. 

I perfer to put my confidence in things that are closer to production rather than things that are basically still at the drawing board level.

but regardless of that I am glad that people are starting to debate over WHICH VR solution is the best or will survive rather than if any of them will, that is progress

Ridelynn

SEANMCAD said:

but regardless of that I am glad that people are starting to debate over WHICH VR solution is the best or will survive rather than if any of them will, that is progress

However you need to spin it.

13lake

Proper VR is still a long way from coming, Carmack nicely said, the first specs that can fool the eye completely are 16k resolution per eye and 480hz refresh rate, coupled with 50% larger horizontal and vertical fov than our eyes can register.

Whether or not anything before that is gonna be good enough, we'll see, when i said Star VR is the best, i mean of the currently presented concepts, not that it is the "best ever", ...

Kiyoris

People are still in the debate stage if VR will succeed at this point.

I don't think it will succeed.

But, all else being equal, Sony has the highest chance of it succeeding. The fragmentation and insane hardware compliance on PC is a serious problem and Playstation doesn't these issues.

For VR, this is make or break time, and I'm not seeing the titles, I'm not seeing the sales, I'm not seeing anything yet that can convince me VR will not go the way of the dodo like 3D and Google Glass.


Sure, you can read about VR on gaming sites, and it's rarely mentioned in articles on some news sites, or mentioned in an obscure TV program, but it is anything but mainstream.

Ridelynn

Yeah I think VR will be a bigger flop than 3D was, but I'd be happy to be proved wrong and have it be the next best thing to sliced bread.

Ridelynn

This thing looks promising

breadm1x

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/View-Master
Already had one 40 years ago...