You can get all this for what that set costs .. Plastic, 2 lenses, and a small IC board .. When you tell me that 699,- is a valid price I claim you are not telling the truth ..
No one should be arguing that 699 is a valid price, because it's not; that's not a current price for either Rift or Vive. Rift is $599, not $699.
Yes my mistake .. it's 799$,- .. that does not make it any better though .. I paid 741€ for my Oculus .. The price is completely ridiculous..
I am having a hard time following what you are saying. I THINK you are saying $799 is to much for HTC VIVE I am just not aure what the price you paid for Oculus has to do with that statement
regardless, HTC VIVE has a good amount of extra hardware that the Oculus does not have. I would assume it would be more. $100 or $200 more? I dont know because unlike some here I dont know what the SPECFIC hardware is or how much said hardware SPECIFICALLLY costs to make...lasers.
They clearly want us to cough up for development ..
and that is different from every tech (scratch that ANY product) product ever made in the history of the world...how?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
It's hilarious how the one paid VR guy on this site who used to proclaim and sing the praise how the Rift "will cost under $300" is now trying to justify them saying oops sorry we were off by a couple bucks it's now going to cost $600.
How many of these new and pricey technologies (DVD's , 3D cards from 3DFX , 1080p TV's , smart phones , etc etc ) that all fell due to widespread adoption and manufacturing required anyone to wear a mask on their face for hours to use ?
How many of these new and pricey technologies (DVD's , 3D cards from 3DFX , 1080p TV's , smart phones , etc etc ) that all fell due to widespread adoption and manufacturing required anyone to wear a mask on their face for hours to use ?
Yeah, let me know how that works out for VR.
you have wearing something on your face phobia?
is that what all this is all about, wearing something on your face?
I guess you dont motorcycle ride much
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
How many of these new and pricey technologies (DVD's , 3D cards from 3DFX , 1080p TV's , smart phones , etc etc ) that all fell due to widespread adoption and manufacturing required anyone to wear a mask on their face for hours to use ?
Yeah, let me know how that works out for VR.
you have wearing something on your face phobia?
is that what all this is all about, wearing something on your face?
I guess you dont motorcycle ride much
Have owned two ZX-R6's and various normal street bikes.
I never recall wearing a scuba mask strapped to my face. If you did , good for you , but motorcycle helmets shouldn't be resting on your face.
Again , you just don't want to face the fact that most people won't like wearing a mask strapped to their head , I get it , you're delusional about the general appeal of VR for most.
How many of these new and pricey technologies (DVD's , 3D cards from 3DFX , 1080p TV's , smart phones , etc etc ) that all fell due to widespread adoption and manufacturing required anyone to wear a mask on their face for hours to use ?
Yeah, let me know how that works out for VR.
you have wearing something on your face phobia?
is that what all this is all about, wearing something on your face?
I guess you dont motorcycle ride much
Have owned two ZX-R6's and various normal street bikes.
I never recall wearing a scuba mask strapped to my face. If you did , good for you , but motorcycle helmets shouldn't be resting on your face.
Again , you just don't want to face the fact that most people won't like wearing a mask strapped to their head , I get it , you're delusional about the general appeal of VR for most.
Define most people and please qualify that statement with some facts please because I can't find a pole/discussion anywhere that discusses people's like or dislike of having things strapped to their faces.
I know Free fall parachutists wear masks, as do a bunch of other people in the military (for various reasons) Fire fighters, scuba divers (recreational and professional), combat aircrew fixed wing and rotary wear different masks for different reasons. The point being; there are lots of reasons to wear a mask on your face I can't see it (a mask) being a show stopper for recreation and certainly not for the majority of people.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
How many of these new and pricey technologies (DVD's , 3D cards from 3DFX , 1080p TV's , smart phones , etc etc ) that all fell due to widespread adoption and manufacturing required anyone to wear a mask on their face for hours to use ?
Yeah, let me know how that works out for VR.
you have wearing something on your face phobia?
is that what all this is all about, wearing something on your face?
I guess you dont motorcycle ride much
Have owned two ZX-R6's and various normal street bikes.
I never recall wearing a scuba mask strapped to my face. If you did , good for you , but motorcycle helmets shouldn't be resting on your face.
Again , you just don't want to face the fact that most people won't like wearing a mask strapped to their head , I get it , you're delusional about the general appeal of VR for most.
Define most people and please qualify that statement with some facts please because I can't find a pole/discussion anywhere that discusses people's like or dislike of having things strapped to their faces.
I know Free fall parachutists wear masks, as do a bunch of other people in the military (for various reasons) Fire fighters, scuba divers (recreational and professional), combat aircrew fixed wing and rotary wear different masks for different reasons. The point being; there are lots of reasons to wear a mask on your face I can't see it (a mask) being a show stopper for recreation and certainly not for the majority of people.
Because aery small (less than 1% by far ) of people wear masks of some types in professions that pay them , or are forced to due to laws and need for safety , the vast majority of pc gamers will rush out and buy headsets to sit and play games for recreation.
Just as most now sit at home and watch 3D TV constantly wearing their glasses.
Because aery small (less than 1% by far ) of people wear masks of some types in professions that pay them , or are forced to due to laws and need for safety , the vast majority of pc gamers will rush out and buy headsets to sit and play games for recreation.
Just as most now sit at home and watch 3D TV constantly wearing their glasses.
Oh , wait.
not 'because' but rather, not really revelant.
You know what I think? I think you are desperately looking for a reason to justify it and 'face mask' is the best think you can come up with.
and yes...motocycle helmet is more 'face intrusive' then a VR headset. Speaking from direct experience
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
How many of these new and pricey technologies (DVD's , 3D cards from 3DFX , 1080p TV's , smart phones , etc etc ) that all fell due to widespread adoption and manufacturing required anyone to wear a mask on their face for hours to use ?
Yeah, let me know how that works out for VR.
you have wearing something on your face phobia?
is that what all this is all about, wearing something on your face?
I guess you dont motorcycle ride much
Have owned two ZX-R6's and various normal street bikes.
I never recall wearing a scuba mask strapped to my face. If you did , good for you , but motorcycle helmets shouldn't be resting on your face.
Again , you just don't want to face the fact that most people won't like wearing a mask strapped to their head , I get it , you're delusional about the general appeal of VR for most.
Define most people and please qualify that statement with some facts please because I can't find a pole/discussion anywhere that discusses people's like or dislike of having things strapped to their faces.
I know Free fall parachutists wear masks, as do a bunch of other people in the military (for various reasons) Fire fighters, scuba divers (recreational and professional), combat aircrew fixed wing and rotary wear different masks for different reasons. The point being; there are lots of reasons to wear a mask on your face I can't see it (a mask) being a show stopper for recreation and certainly not for the majority of people.
Have to agree, i am not sure the OR really compares to a motorcycle helmet, which is not a particularly comfortable thing to wear, and not something you'd want to do for hours at a time, a diving mask used for snorkeling is far less intrusive, although again, not something you tend to wear for hours a time. Whether its from the rubber+seawater combination or not, wearing a diving mask even for a short time tends to mark your face with some irritation for a while afterwards, much as i enjoy snorkeling, there is a certain amount of discomfort involved with prolonged useage, though i have rarely used it for over an hour, mostly half that. As there are people on here who have used OR etc for prolonged periods, i would be interested to know if there are similar experiences in that regard?
Have to agree, i am not sure the OR really compares to a motorcycle helmet, which is not a particularly comfortable thing to wear, and not something you'd want to do for hours at a time, a diving mask used for snorkeling is far less intrusive, although again, not something you tend to wear for hours a time. Whether its from the rubber+seawater combination or not, wearing a diving mask even for a short time tends to mark your face with some irritation for a while afterwards, much as i enjoy snorkeling, there is a certain amount of discomfort involved with prolonged useage, though i have rarely used it for over an hour, mostly half that. As there are people on here who have used OR etc for prolonged periods, i would be interested to know if there are similar experiences in that regard?
as an uber fan of VR and as someone who has experience playing multiple games with VR headsets I will say this.
I do no suggest VR focus on 'long term play'.
pretty much that.
VR is good for medium term play or long term plays but long term only similar to that of a full day ride. VR is also NOT good for very short term play because of the setup time.
This overall is why I feel VR for MMOs is far too risky
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
How many of these new and pricey technologies (DVD's , 3D cards from 3DFX , 1080p TV's , smart phones , etc etc ) that all fell due to widespread adoption and manufacturing required anyone to wear a mask on their face for hours to use ?
Yeah, let me know how that works out for VR.
you have wearing something on your face phobia?
is that what all this is all about, wearing something on your face?
I guess you dont motorcycle ride much
I respect you man but what a dipshit argument. H
could not disagree more
Is VR possible with a Headset? not really Is motorcycling for a full day ride possible without a helmet? yeah but its not very smart. Does having the helmet on make the motorcycle experience so terrible its not worth making that trip? nope.
Does it mean I have to wear the helemnt 24 hours a day 7 days a week? no Does it mean the helmet is based on having an exceptional experience? yes Does VR mean a chance to have an exceptional experience? yes Does the helment or for that matter the motorcycle itself limit the experience to a time frame (not to short because its trouble to get gear on and not to long because its exhausting) yes. Is the same true for VR? yes
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Wow. I haven't been following VR TOO much. I think it has its place... I don't think it will be any better of a gimmick than 3D was, or is.
The Virtual Boy... it was a failure for more reasons than just gameplay. It wasn't true VR either. Other arcade games used the VR gimmick... but they weren't exceptionally popular ones. While technology has increased the availability, and possibly the scope.. I don't see this as being something people want in their homes.
Wearables just aren't that popular. Immersive wearables for extremely short term "gains" such as an additional experience -- basically what people are using VR headsets for now -- that is where you may see more availability.
Its just too obtrusive... and being cut off from the world around you while immersive, is unlikely to garner much support for long periods of time. If anything, most people that want handsfree types of experiences would be just as happy with something like google cardboard.
In no way are we going to see a rise of VR in 2016... like google glass it will be gimmicky that won't have nearly enough support for any end user to make use of it... and without any true movement apparatus, what real benefits would it have over a conventional screen, or screen holder?
Wow. I haven't been following VR TOO much. I think it has its place... I don't think it will be any better of a gimmick than 3D was, or is.
The Virtual Boy... it was a failure for more reasons than just gameplay. It wasn't true VR either. Other arcade games used the VR gimmick... but they weren't exceptionally popular ones. While technology has increased the availability, and possibly the scope.. I don't see this as being something people want in their homes.
Wearables just aren't that popular. Immersive wearables for extremely short term "gains" such as an additional experience -- basically what people are using VR headsets for now -- that is where you may see more availability.
Its just too obtrusive... and being cut off from the world around you while immersive, is unlikely to garner much support for long periods of time. If anything, most people that want handsfree types of experiences would be just as happy with something like google cardboard.
In no way are we going to see a rise of VR in 2016... like google glass it will be gimmicky that won't have nearly enough support for any end user to make use of it... and without any true movement apparatus, what real benefits would it have over a conventional screen, or screen holder?
let me explain by example:
Example 1: I want to go on a motorcycle ride today because its fun. I am tired though and I dont have much time so I will skip it, to much to deal with right now
Example 2: I want to go on a motorcycle ride and I have a few hours, its fun I wanna go. let me put on the helment and go for a few hours and I will be back
Example 3: I have all weekend free, I want to ride the motorcycle to the beach and back, I know it will take me all day and I might need a break but it will be fun.
VR? same thing...actually simpliar but close enough
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Example 1: I want to go on a motorcycle ride today because its fun. I am tired though and I dont have much time so I will skip it, to much to deal with right now
Example 2: I want to go on a motorcycle ride and I have a few hours, its fun I wanna go. let me put on the helment and go for a few hours and I will be back
Example 3: I have all weekend free, I want to ride the motorcycle to the beach and back, I know it will take me all day and I might need a break but it will be fun.
VR? same thing...actually simpliar but close enough
Agreed, but these headsets accomplish no more really than, say, a glorified screen holder.
As an example there is a VR restaurant thats working to bring VR to the dining scene in California. They literally tested swapping healthy foods in for what the viewfinder showed as a decadent meal. This is selling an experience. They generate the way the food looks, they mimic the way the food smells, but obviously they can only get the taste to go so far before you can tell its not -- real chicken or whatever. Its an exercise in tricking the mind... with mixed results..
That is probably the extent of immersion that you would find with VR.
Your example is the same thing as... "I want to ride a motorcycle" :slides cell phone into 30 dollar google cardboard holder: :runs motorcycle program that imitates a drive through a beautiful countryside: :takes phone out of phone holster: "Cool deal, italy looks nice today, glad I didn't have to buy a motorcycle or an 800 dollar VR headset for that."
Example 1: I want to go on a motorcycle ride today because its fun. I am tired though and I dont have much time so I will skip it, to much to deal with right now
Example 2: I want to go on a motorcycle ride and I have a few hours, its fun I wanna go. let me put on the helment and go for a few hours and I will be back
Example 3: I have all weekend free, I want to ride the motorcycle to the beach and back, I know it will take me all day and I might need a break but it will be fun.
VR? same thing...actually simpliar but close enough
Agreed, but these headsets accomplish no more really than, say, a glorified screen holder.
that is not accurate. Its not a view finder.
The pivot point of the world is for the first time exactly where it should be. Your head. You can literally reach out your hand, pick up a glass, turn it over and then throw it to another person who is there but actually in japan. OR you can look under the desk by moving your head under the virtual table.
A glorifed screenholder can not do any of that.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
The pivot point of the world is for the first time exactly where it should be. Your head. You can literally reach out your hand, pick up a glass, turn it over and then throw it to another person who is there but actually in japan. OR you can look under the desk by moving your head under the virtual table.
A glorifed screenholder can not do any of that.
But cell phones can. And that is what the screen holders are holding.
The pivot point of the world is for the first time exactly where it should be. Your head. You can literally reach out your hand, pick up a glass, turn it over and then throw it to another person who is there but actually in japan. OR you can look under the desk by moving your head under the virtual table.
A glorifed screenholder can not do any of that.
But cell phones can. And that is what the screen holders are holding.
1. cell phones can not do it as well as an Oculus. there is not going to be much game playing using Gear VR. That will more be on the lines of consuming non-highly interactive content.
2. as a 48 year old man who has spent most of 35 years behind a computer screen and who has tried a VR headset I can tell you its differnt. If you cant imagin the difference based on what I said then the only other option is to actually try it.
in short, the benifits of this so called 'glorified screen' far outweighs the trouble of wearing a headset.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
The pivot point of the world is for the first time exactly where it should be. Your head. You can literally reach out your hand, pick up a glass, turn it over and then throw it to another person who is there but actually in japan. OR you can look under the desk by moving your head under the virtual table.
A glorifed screenholder can not do any of that.
But cell phones can. And that is what the screen holders are holding.
1. cell phones can not do it as well as an Oculus. there is not going to be much game playing using Gear VR. That will more be on the lines of consuming non-highly interactive content.
2. as a 48 year old man who has spent most of 35 years behind a computer screen and who has tried a VR headset I can tell you its differnt. If you cant imagin the difference based on what I said then the only other option is to actually try it.
in short, the benifits of this so called 'glorified screen' far outweighs the trouble of wearing a headset.
Nothing but opinions from a clearly bias view point...look at his signature. 6 months ago he was promising everyone the Rift would cost under $300 now he is in desperation mode trying to justify them lying and jacking the price up to $600. He has all his eggs in one basket and I think he finally sees the Oculus Rift won't be the next big thing...he just isn't capable of admitting he's been wrong for the last two years.
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Yeah, let me know how that works out for VR.
is that what all this is all about, wearing something on your face?
I guess you dont motorcycle ride much
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I never recall wearing a scuba mask strapped to my face. If you did , good for you , but motorcycle helmets shouldn't be resting on your face.
Again , you just don't want to face the fact that most people won't like wearing a mask strapped to their head , I get it , you're delusional about the general appeal of VR for most.
The Rift will be in everyone home as it will be the most affordable device at $300!! Buy today!
Same supporter today:
Oh they umm raised the price to $600 because umm well it's normall all new umm products (sweaty hands by now) are expensive at the beginning.
well no sweaty hands anyway
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I know Free fall parachutists wear masks, as do a bunch of other people in the military (for various reasons) Fire fighters, scuba divers (recreational and professional), combat aircrew fixed wing and rotary wear different masks for different reasons. The point being; there are lots of reasons to wear a mask on your face I can't see it (a mask) being a show stopper for recreation and certainly not for the majority of people.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
and my motorcycle helmet is one of the more comfortable ones
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Because aery small (less than 1% by far ) of people wear masks of some types in professions that pay them , or are forced to due to laws and need for safety , the vast majority of pc gamers will rush out and buy headsets to sit and play games for recreation.
Just as most now sit at home and watch 3D TV constantly wearing their glasses.
Oh , wait.
You know what I think? I think you are desperately looking for a reason to justify it and 'face mask' is the best think you can come up with.
and yes...motocycle helmet is more 'face intrusive' then a VR headset. Speaking from direct experience
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Whether its from the rubber+seawater combination or not, wearing a diving mask even for a short time tends to mark your face with some irritation for a while afterwards, much as i enjoy snorkeling, there is a certain amount of discomfort involved with prolonged useage, though i have rarely used it for over an hour, mostly half that.
As there are people on here who have used OR etc for prolonged periods, i would be interested to know if there are similar experiences in that regard?
I do no suggest VR focus on 'long term play'.
pretty much that.
VR is good for medium term play or long term plays but long term only similar to that of a full day ride.
VR is also NOT good for very short term play because of the setup time.
This overall is why I feel VR for MMOs is far too risky
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"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
Make the HTC One M10 already.... and do it right.
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Is VR possible with a Headset? not really
Is motorcycling for a full day ride possible without a helmet? yeah but its not very smart. Does having the helmet on make the motorcycle experience so terrible its not worth making that trip? nope.
Does it mean I have to wear the helemnt 24 hours a day 7 days a week? no
Does it mean the helmet is based on having an exceptional experience? yes
Does VR mean a chance to have an exceptional experience? yes
Does the helment or for that matter the motorcycle itself limit the experience to a time frame (not to short because its trouble to get gear on and not to long because its exhausting) yes.
Is the same true for VR? yes
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The Virtual Boy... it was a failure for more reasons than just gameplay. It wasn't true VR either. Other arcade games used the VR gimmick... but they weren't exceptionally popular ones. While technology has increased the availability, and possibly the scope.. I don't see this as being something people want in their homes.
Wearables just aren't that popular. Immersive wearables for extremely short term "gains" such as an additional experience -- basically what people are using VR headsets for now -- that is where you may see more availability.
Its just too obtrusive... and being cut off from the world around you while immersive, is unlikely to garner much support for long periods of time. If anything, most people that want handsfree types of experiences would be just as happy with something like google cardboard.
In no way are we going to see a rise of VR in 2016... like google glass it will be gimmicky that won't have nearly enough support for any end user to make use of it... and without any true movement apparatus, what real benefits would it have over a conventional screen, or screen holder?
Example 1: I want to go on a motorcycle ride today because its fun. I am tired though and I dont have much time so I will skip it, to much to deal with right now
Example 2: I want to go on a motorcycle ride and I have a few hours, its fun I wanna go. let me put on the helment and go for a few hours and I will be back
Example 3: I have all weekend free, I want to ride the motorcycle to the beach and back, I know it will take me all day and I might need a break but it will be fun.
VR? same thing...actually simpliar but close enough
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As an example there is a VR restaurant thats working to bring VR to the dining scene in California. They literally tested swapping healthy foods in for what the viewfinder showed as a decadent meal. This is selling an experience. They generate the way the food looks, they mimic the way the food smells, but obviously they can only get the taste to go so far before you can tell its not -- real chicken or whatever. Its an exercise in tricking the mind... with mixed results..
That is probably the extent of immersion that you would find with VR.
Your example is the same thing as... "I want to ride a motorcycle" :slides cell phone into 30 dollar google cardboard holder: :runs motorcycle program that imitates a drive through a beautiful countryside: :takes phone out of phone holster: "Cool deal, italy looks nice today, glad I didn't have to buy a motorcycle or an 800 dollar VR headset for that."
I mean where is the true benefit?
The pivot point of the world is for the first time exactly where it should be. Your head. You can literally reach out your hand, pick up a glass, turn it over and then throw it to another person who is there but actually in japan. OR you can look under the desk by moving your head under the virtual table.
A glorifed screenholder can not do any of that.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
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2. as a 48 year old man who has spent most of 35 years behind a computer screen and who has tried a VR headset I can tell you its differnt. If you cant imagin the difference based on what I said then the only other option is to actually try it.
in short, the benifits of this so called 'glorified screen' far outweighs the trouble of wearing a headset.
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