When do you think BDO will tank, i.e. go aggresive P2W

laserit

BDO isn't some game that was thrown together in short order to make a quick profit. It's obvious by the production value that the game is designed for the long term.

I'd me more apt to believe that this game would be more profitable by not getting too greedy and building on customer loyalty.

Gdemami

Leiloni said:

to ruin the play experience of the average player.

Oh, you play the game without spending a dime and they dare to ruin your play experience? Indeed outrageous....

n3v3rriv3r

Benjola said:

Gdemami said:

Benjola said:

Apperantly yes lol I bailed 3 months after launch.

...you bailed after 3 months in AA but you will be now trolling these boards forever.

Less being buthurt more staying on topic plz...

lol there is no topic here kid

Benjola

laserit said:

BDO isn't some game that was thrown together in short order to make a quick profit. It's obvious by the production value that the game is designed for the long term.

We've been seeing this type of statements for Archeage for at least 4 years before it launched.
AA was a massive and expensive undertaking that was going to single-handedly save the sandbox and PVP MMO gaming.

Benjola

n3v3rriv3r said:

lol there is no topic here kid

And yet here you are still trolling, kiddo.

ceratop001

laserit said:

BDO isn't some game that was thrown together in short order to make a quick profit. It's obvious by the production value that the game is designed for the long term.

I'd me more apt to believe that this game would be more profitable by not getting too greedy and building on customer loyalty.

My common sense part of me wants to agree with this statement.

Khaoslight

Jean-Luc_Picard said:

Every game has a few people like the OP (see post history) who go on a crusade against it because they happen to not like it.

Khaoslight said:

Hmm. When will it tank? At the start of RNG boxes that offer more than cosmetics as usual followed by the forums exploding. That's if DAUM gets greedy and takes that route.

Most are annoyed at some items in the cash shop like bag/storage slots. A B2P with F2P elements with those items locked behind a paywall with no way of reaching max space.
Do you really need max (192?) slots?

Some will argue yes, we do. Some will say, I don't need max but I will spend a little more for "convenience."  Some don't care either way.

As far as me personally, I'll hope for the best but won't be surprised with the worst.

GW2 has a very similar cash shop and there is still no problem with it.
I definitely intend to spend some money in it, just like I did for GW2, as long as the game is fun to me.
Unlike many of the current generation, I don't mind giving money to people who provide me with quality entertainment, that's why I also have a collection of over 500 movies on blu-ray disc.

Jean-Luc, you're quickly becoming my fav conversation person. Hope you have some Star Trek movies in that collection!

I agree GW2 has similar shop, only difference is that you can trade in-game currency for gems (been a while since I've GW2) and then buy the item on cash shop.

I also agree that spending some cash, initial buy plus say another 20$ or so, is worthwhile and my friends/guild always make it so.
 
I stated in another topic suppose the bottom line for me is if I do decide to pay 30$ and BDO turns into a P2W AA cashgrab bull***t, at least (hopefully) I get a month or two gameplay which roughly equals to 50 cents to a 1$ a day.

I can live with that.

laserit

Benjola said:

laserit said:

BDO isn't some game that was thrown together in short order to make a quick profit. It's obvious by the production value that the game is designed for the long term.

We've been seeing this type of statements for Archeage for at least 4 years before it launched.
AA was a massive and expensive undertaking that was going to single-handedly save the sandbox and PVP MMO gaming.

Single-handedly save what?

Thinking or talking like any single game is going to be the savior of any thing is just silly. 

n3v3rriv3r

Benjola said:

n3v3rriv3r said:

lol there is no topic here kid

And yet here you are still trolling, kiddo.

  typical projection.

you didnt aswer kiddo. You know what a loaded question is?

Asm0deus

Benjola said:

Distopia said:

I really don't care I'm interested in finding people who roleplay and play the open ended PVP game this could be, if other people are "winning" that doesn't have much impact on my fun...

If that's really the case, if you really think BDO will go P2W within a month and you don't mind being ganked and griefed by P2W 'players' and love mass PVP... you should play Archeage, mass 200 vs 200 open world PVP as well as  70vs70 castle sieges and some serious RP opportunities.

If you don't mind this type of things though, as you say:

Haha lol I like his running commentary of its stupid I hate it but love it...pretty much why I stopped playing AA though.

Benjola

laserit said:

Benjola said:

laserit said:

BDO isn't some game that was thrown together in short order to make a quick profit. It's obvious by the production value that the game is designed for the long term.

We've been seeing this type of statements for Archeage for at least 4 years before it launched.
AA was a massive and expensive undertaking that was going to single-handedly save the sandbox and PVP MMO gaming.

Single-handedly save what?

Thinking or talking like any single game is going to be the savior of any thing is just silly. 

That was the hype around AA brah, for years, on this very site.
Humoungous next gen MMORPG that had EVERYTHING and more, sandbox and PVP to the bone..
Check the old AA forum threads if you dont believe me.

Benjola

n3v3rriv3r said:

Benjola said:

n3v3rriv3r said:

lol there is no topic here kid

And yet here you are still trolling, kiddo.

  typical projection.

you didnt aswer kiddo. You know what a loaded question is?

Lol.
Well, mista clueless wannabe Freud dude...
I'm still on the fence if i want to teach you a lesson or two, need moar time I think, need few more troll comments from you to get me going, imo.
I'm not mad enough at you, you are lousy troll.
Try better... kiddo..

zaberfangx

Every mmo will have a p2w aspect part of them is up to the player what there willing to stand for to keep playing it.

n3v3rriv3r

Benjola said:

n3v3rriv3r said:

Benjola said:

n3v3rriv3r said:

lol there is no topic here kid

And yet here you are still trolling, kiddo.

  typical projection.

you didnt aswer kiddo. You know what a loaded question is?

Lol.
Well, mista clueless wannabe Freud dude...
I'm still on the fence if i want to teach you a lesson or two, need moar time I think, need few more troll comments from you to get me going, imo.
I'm not mad enough at you, you are lousy troll.
Try better... kiddo..

What has Freud to do with this thread. LMAO

laserit

Benjola said:

laserit said:

Benjola said:

laserit said:

BDO isn't some game that was thrown together in short order to make a quick profit. It's obvious by the production value that the game is designed for the long term.

We've been seeing this type of statements for Archeage for at least 4 years before it launched.
AA was a massive and expensive undertaking that was going to single-handedly save the sandbox and PVP MMO gaming.

Single-handedly save what?

Thinking or talking like any single game is going to be the savior of any thing is just silly. 

That was the hype around AA brah, for years, on this very site.
Humoungous next gen MMORPG that had EVERYTHING and more, sandbox and PVP to the bone..
Check the old AA forum threads if you dont believe me.

I believe I stated that BDO wasn't a game that was quickly thrown together to make a quick profit. It has a high production value, which means that it cost a lot of money to make.

Now my opinion is that if they get too greedy with the business plan, that would be a mistake. Trying to cash in for the short term would be a mistake.

Doesn't mean I believe they "will" or they "won't" only that I believe it would be a "mistake". 

Khaoslight

Benjola said:

Distopia said:

I really don't care I'm interested in finding people who roleplay and play the open ended PVP game this could be, if other people are "winning" that doesn't have much impact on my fun...

If that's really the case, if you really think BDO will go P2W within a month and you don't mind being ganked and griefed by P2W 'players' and love mass PVP... you should play Archeage, mass 200 vs 200 open world PVP as well as  70vs70 castle sieges and some serious RP opportunities.

If you don't mind this type of things though, as you say:

Lmao, yea that about sums it up for AA

Junglecharly

I am betting 2 months

Benjola

laserit said:

I believe I stated that BDO wasn't a game that was quickly thrown together to make a quick profit. It has a high production value, which means that it cost a lot of money to make.

Now my opinion is that if they get too greedy with the business plan, that would be a mistake. Trying to cash in for the short term would be a mistake.

Doesn't mean I believe they "will" or they "won't" only that I believe it would be a "mistake". 

I understand what you are saying and I agree.
My point is that Archeage was MUCH higher profile and much more expensive then BDO and still they made the 'mistake'.

Conclusion: For AA it wasn't a mistake at all but a business plan, as fast return on investment as possible by making the game P2W.
The silly 'labor' mechanic, the rediculous high-end gear scaling and the idiotic RNG gambling enchantments system are all built-in mechanics for a P2W cash shop model for a whale race to the top.
BDO has the exact same mechanics, that's why we expect of DAUM to apply the P2W cash shop as soon as they can get away with it.
Since the game is B2P of course they werent't gonna crank it up at launch, but they will soon after, because it's the same business plan as AA, the game mechanics prove that, their korea, russia and japan clients prove that.

simsalabim77

Khaoslight said:

Benjola said:

Distopia said:

I really don't care I'm interested in finding people who roleplay and play the open ended PVP game this could be, if other people are "winning" that doesn't have much impact on my fun...

If that's really the case, if you really think BDO will go P2W within a month and you don't mind being ganked and griefed by P2W 'players' and love mass PVP... you should play Archeage, mass 200 vs 200 open world PVP as well as  70vs70 castle sieges and some serious RP opportunities.

If you don't mind this type of things though, as you say:

Lmao, yea that about sums it up for AA

Where's DK to tell us how the cash shop isn't that bad? 
  

n3v3rriv3r

Funny this guy is not even capable of comprehending the basics of logic and tries to explain why BDO will go p2w.
Let me give you an advice kiddo: before you ask people "When do you think BDO will tank, i.e. go aggresive P2W" try to demonstrate that it will go p2w in the first place.

Your facts are presupposed by the question. You get it or it is too hard?

I doubt you will understand but at lest I tried.

Benjola

n3v3rriv3r said:

Funny this guy is not even capable of comprehending the basics of logic and tries to explain why BDO will go p2w.
Let me give you an advice kiddo: before you ask people "When do you think BDO will tank, i.e. go aggresive P2W" try to demonstrate that it will go f2p in the first place.

Your facts are presupposed by the question. You get it or it is too hard?

I doubt you will understand but at lest I tried.

At this point you are talking to yourself kiddo..
If you want to discuss P2W theories, you can do it in my other thread, here:
http://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/444063/smells-like-archeage-2-0#latest

Or I should maybe just put you on ignore, since you are obssesed with me and what I do instead of the topic at hand.

n3v3rriv3r

Benjola said:

n3v3rriv3r said:

Funny this guy is not even capable of comprehending the basics of logic and tries to explain why BDO will go p2w.
Let me give you an advice kiddo: before you ask people "When do you think BDO will tank, i.e. go aggresive P2W" try to demonstrate that it will go p2w in the first place.

Your facts are presupposed by the question. You get it or it is too hard?

I doubt you will understand but at lest I tried.

At this point you are talking to yourself kiddo..
If you want to discuss P2W theories, you can do it in my other thread, here:
http://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/444063/smells-like-archeage-2-0#latest

Or I should maybe just put you on ignore, since you are obssesed with me and what I do instead of the topic at hand.

If you cant answer a simple question it is better that you ignore me. I am pointing out stupidity whenever I can so I will be commenting your nonsense every time I see it.

Leiloni

Gdemami said:

Leiloni said:

to ruin the play experience of the average player.

Oh, you play the game without spending a dime and they dare to ruin your play experience? Indeed outrageous....

Are you trying to defend pay to win? That's completely laughable.

Leiloni

One thing that just occurred to me is that aside from gold selling/botting likely not being an issue due to various in game restrictions I think account selling will be a non issue as well. Just because you can't change any of your account information on the website. You can only change your password and beyond that the only information I see that they even keep is an email address. You will have people paying someone to power level them and things like that, but if that's the game's only cheating/third party p2w related issue then that's not bad.

Nobody is going to try to sell their account when the purchaser can see their personal email address every time they log in lol. On the flip side, nobody is going to buy an account when they don't have access to the email it's connected to and can thus lose it at any time. It's actually pretty smart on Daum's part. And of course anyone that sends in a support ticket to request to change that info could then be flagged by Daum to keep an eye on.

Gdemami

Leiloni said:

Are you trying to defend pay to win? That's completely laughable.

Just to be sure we are on the same page, senseless ranting is fine but pointing out absurdity of such endeavor is "completely laughable"...?