I am an older gamer who has been gaming since.well Pong and the arcade scene, and yes I will be getting this game. The first Closed beta I was indifferent and didn't really explore this game (since I just got through with testing Blade and Soul and in the beginning this game reminded me of it). Then with CBT2, I really dug down and tested this game, and it surprised me so much I ordered the Conqueror's package. I am not a pvp wiz, but I do love exploring, and this game has that, I love taming stuff (Creature Handler for life!), and this game has that, I love crafting and trying to figure out the complexities of it (like SWG), and this game has it. I don't know how long it will keep me occupied, but it has been a very long time since I have been interested in a game after a beta.
Interpretation: 79% of MMO veterans like this game 100% of WoW-and-later players like this game
Conclusion: BDO is more popular in younger folks.
Way too few responses to actually say that though:P
the assumption that wow-and-later players are all younger is false. It could also well mean they played other games and other platforms before discovering/playing mmos.
It is very wrong indeed. When I played WoW during TBC, I had a guild leader that was well into his forties. The guy had gotten into it because of his son, and had fallen deeply in love with the whole MMO thing. So much so that he actually played WoW much more than his kid.
Pretty sure there are quite a few others. Many of the original Warcraft fans never touched an MMO prior to WoW either, because their favorite IP convinced them to take that step. Definitely doesn't mean they were kids.
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Interpretation: 79% of MMO veterans like this game 100% of WoW-and-later players like this game
Conclusion: BDO is more popular in younger folks.
Way too few responses to actually say that though:P
the assumption that wow-and-later players are all younger is false. It could also well mean they played other games and other platforms before discovering/playing mmos.
It is very wrong indeed. When I played WoW during TBC, I had a guild leader that was well into his forties. The guy had gotten into it because of his son, and had fallen deeply in love with the whole MMO thing. So much so that he actually played WoW much more than his kid.
Pretty sure there are quite a few others. Many of the original Warcraft fans never touched an MMO prior to WoW either, because their favorite IP convinced them to take that step. Definitely doesn't mean they were kids.
Well into his 40s eh? LOL....wish I was still that young.
While I did bring my son into the game who was 12 at the time, he ended up playing for many years longer, I switched over to EVE and other games when BC launched.
Interesting sidenote. While I did start him off at age 8 in L1, DAOC, L2 prior to WOW, their gameplay seemed too much for him to fully comprehend.
He really hit his stride with WOW and was raiding the four horsemen regularly despite his age.
Not sure if WOW was that much more user friendly and easier, or he just reached an age where he had matured enough to really compehend and appreciate MMOs.
Oh well, was all for naught, all he played last few years is MOBAs, I screwed up somewhere.
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The forum also has it's share of people who think they are veterans because they started MMOs during Vanilla WoW
I started with UO at release myself.
So.... What differentiates a veteran from a non veteran?
When they started?
Number of hours played?
Number of games played?
Which games played?
Sorry but It all sounds kind of silly to me and I would consider anyone who started playing MMORPG's 11 1/4 years ago back in Vanilla a "Veteran"
They have missed an era which older veterans consider as the golden age. It's like someone considers himself a Rock music vet because he saw Nickelback early 2000s and brags to someone who had participated in Woodstock.
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Shadowbane was my first MMO, released about a year before WOW I believe. Was a console gamer long before I purchased my first desk top, my fingers/thumbs could not take it any more, lol.
The forum also has it's share of people who think they are veterans because they started MMOs during Vanilla WoW
I started with UO at release myself.
So.... What differentiates a veteran from a non veteran?
When they started?
Number of hours played?
Number of games played?
Which games played?
Sorry but It all sounds kind of silly to me and I would consider anyone who started playing MMORPG's 11 1/4 years ago back in Vanilla a "Veteran"
They have missed an era which older veterans consider as the golden age. It's like someone considers himself a Rock music vet because he saw Nickelback early 2000s and brags to someone who had participated in Woodstock.
Kind of like saying U2 aren't veterans because they didn't make music in the 60's
Well then maybe veteran is the wrong term to use, because everyone starts off as a rookie and after time spent and experience garnered you become a veteran.
I'd consider anyone who has enjoyed the genre for a few years and played a variety of MMO's to be a Veteran and being capable of having a valid opinion.
By the looks of the poll so far... I'd say when you started, has little to no relevance to the popularity of the game. But it does seem to have a lot more relevance with the demographic of this website.
Well then maybe veteran is the wrong term to use, because everyone starts off as a rookie and after time spent and experience garnered you become a veteran.
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That's probably a good way to look at it.
World of warcraft came out in 2004. That's 12 years ago.
There were people calling themselves "Veterans" just a few years after 2004. Even if they started with Meridian 59 that's only 8 years or so prior to WoW.
If someone started in Vanilla WoW then they could probably be considered a Veteran.
So if terms/labels are important to people then something else is probably more appropriate.
How about "BW". ; )
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Thing is, people who have started with WoW and only experienced WoW-style MMOs don't know that you can make those games different than just a class/level character system with dungeon/raid end game grinding. Same for those who only played EQ and clones, by the way.
To me, a true veteran is someone who tried different styles of MMORPGs and not just the mainstream raid grind model. Someone who played WoW and only WoW for 12 years is a WoW veteran, not a MMORPG veteran.
Veterans or not....
i found in my guild there is a whole slew of WoWified people falling in love with the depth of this game... We also have many Elder scrolls fans finding the depth in this game they once hoped to find in ESO..
there just arent to many MMO veterans in europe...
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wow was what mainly got my interest in MMO's although I prefered lineage 2 by a bit... which is great cause this game does remind me of it in a way... having a blast so far
My first 'real' MMO was probably Everquest, although i had played games like Legends of Kesmai before that, and even tried UO briefly. Didn't actually try WoW until after SWG self destructed, and i discovered EQ2 was an utterly horrible game, kind of ironic really, I began playing Eve Online and then later that year, i began playing WoW after a friend recommended it.
I started MMO'ing in '99 with EverQuest, and while I think I could enjoy this game, the combat is a deal breaker for me. While I enjoy action combat in Tera and even a bit in BNS I can't stomach this directional key funky combo system. If I wanted to play street fighter, I'd play street fighter.
The sad thing is, all the tools are available to play this game like a traditional MMO, or a hybrid hotkey/combo game, but they penalize you for using the hotkey bar. HA!
Interpretation: 79% of MMO veterans like this game 100% of WoW-and-later players like this game
Conclusion: BDO is more popular in younger folks.
Way too few responses to actually say that though:P
the assumption that wow-and-later players are all younger is false. It could also well mean they played other games and other platforms before discovering/playing mmos.
It is very wrong indeed. When I played WoW during TBC, I had a guild leader that was well into his forties. The guy had gotten into it because of his son, and had fallen deeply in love with the whole MMO thing. So much so that he actually played WoW much more than his kid.
Pretty sure there are quite a few others. Many of the original Warcraft fans never touched an MMO prior to WoW either, because their favorite IP convinced them to take that step. Definitely doesn't mean they were kids.
Well into his 40s eh? LOL....wish I was still that young.
While I did bring my son into the game who was 12 at the time, he ended up playing for many years longer, I switched over to EVE and other games when BC launched.
Interesting sidenote. While I did start him off at age 8 in L1, DAOC, L2 prior to WOW, their gameplay seemed too much for him to fully comprehend.
He really hit his stride with WOW and was raiding the four horsemen regularly despite his age.
Not sure if WOW was that much more user friendly and easier, or he just reached an age where he had matured enough to really compehend and appreciate MMOs.
Oh well, was all for naught, all he played last few years is MOBAs, I screwed up somewhere.
Well, nowadays I imagine the guy would be well into his 50's instead. If he's still playing MMOs. xD Don't feel bad! My best friend's step kid is the same. He started out by mimicking his father figure and wanting to play MMOs, even though he never really got far in any of them.
Until he discovered the world of MOBAs and never looked back at the boring, slow-paced creatures that are MMOs. That kid's hopelessly hooked on LOL. (And has spent a huge chunk of his allowance on that game over the years)
My SWTOR referral link for those wanting to give the game a try. (Newbies get a welcome package while returning players get a few account upgrades to help with their preferred status.)
The word 'veterans' on this site refers not to players that have been playing very long or very much, it refers to a very specific group that has been playing MMOs pre WoW. I would call them 'the special ones.' It are those that played these games before they became mainstream. This of course says nothing about quality and everything about exclusiveness. It was all about being 'in the know,' nowadays everyone and his dog knows about MMORPGs, time to climb on that high horse. It says nothing about how many games they have played or the hours they put into them, it is only about the time period.
Me? I started with AO and when WoW was released it blew me away. It was perhaps not the best MMO but for me it was by far the best game, everything else looked clumsy in comparison. I find Black Desert awesome, gorgeous, deep and exciting, I played WoW and loved it. This can not be a coincidence now can it? I also do not have a dog but do have a one year old daughter, I also like yellow more then blue and love chocolate despite being male, we might be onto something here....
Pre WoW, post WoW, what a bunch of nonsense created by some to distinguish themselves.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
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It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
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'Sandbox MMO' is a PTSD trigger word for anyone who has the experience to know that anonymous players invariably use a 'sandbox' in the same manner a housecat does.
When your head is stuck in the sand, your ass becomes the only recognizable part of you.
No game is more fun than the one you can't play, and no game is more boring than one which you've become familiar.
How to become a millionaire: Start with a billion dollars and make an MMO.
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So.... What differentiates a veteran from a non veteran?
When they started?
Number of hours played?
Number of games played?
Which games played?
Sorry but It all sounds kind of silly to me and I would consider anyone who started playing MMORPG's 11 1/4 years ago back in Vanilla a "Veteran"
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Pretty sure there are quite a few others. Many of the original Warcraft fans never touched an MMO prior to WoW either, because their favorite IP convinced them to take that step. Definitely doesn't mean they were kids.
My SWTOR referral link for those wanting to give the game a try. (Newbies get a welcome package while returning players get a few account upgrades to help with their preferred status.)
https://www.ashesofcreation.com/ref/Callaron/
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Anyhow , dont like this game as of now .. maybe it will grow on me .. but , im not feelin it ... will keep at it
While I did bring my son into the game who was 12 at the time, he ended up playing for many years longer, I switched over to EVE and other games when BC launched.
Interesting sidenote. While I did start him off at age 8 in L1, DAOC, L2 prior to WOW, their gameplay seemed too much for him to fully comprehend.
He really hit his stride with WOW and was raiding the four horsemen regularly despite his age.
Not sure if WOW was that much more user friendly and easier, or he just reached an age where he had matured enough to really compehend and appreciate MMOs.
Oh well, was all for naught, all he played last few years is MOBAs, I screwed up somewhere.
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Well then maybe veteran is the wrong term to use, because everyone starts off as a rookie and after time spent and experience garnered you become a veteran.
I'd consider anyone who has enjoyed the genre for a few years and played a variety of MMO's to be a Veteran and being capable of having a valid opinion.
By the looks of the poll so far... I'd say when you started, has little to no relevance to the popularity of the game. But it does seem to have a lot more relevance with the demographic of this website.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
World of warcraft came out in 2004. That's 12 years ago.
There were people calling themselves "Veterans" just a few years after 2004. Even if they started with Meridian 59 that's only 8 years or so prior to WoW.
If someone started in Vanilla WoW then they could probably be considered a Veteran.
So if terms/labels are important to people then something else is probably more appropriate.
How about "BW". ; )
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i found in my guild there is a whole slew of WoWified people falling in love with the depth of this game... We also have many Elder scrolls fans finding the depth in this game they once hoped to find in ESO..
there just arent to many MMO veterans in europe...
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
Didn't actually try WoW until after SWG self destructed, and i discovered EQ2 was an utterly horrible game, kind of ironic really, I began playing Eve Online and then later that year, i began playing WoW after a friend recommended it.
The sad thing is, all the tools are available to play this game like a traditional MMO, or a hybrid hotkey/combo game, but they penalize you for using the hotkey bar. HA!
Don't feel bad! My best friend's step kid is the same. He started out by mimicking his father figure and wanting to play MMOs, even though he never really got far in any of them.
Until he discovered the world of MOBAs and never looked back at the boring, slow-paced creatures that are MMOs. That kid's hopelessly hooked on LOL. (And has spent a huge chunk of his allowance on that game over the years)
My SWTOR referral link for those wanting to give the game a try. (Newbies get a welcome package while returning players get a few account upgrades to help with their preferred status.)
https://www.ashesofcreation.com/ref/Callaron/
Me? I started with AO and when WoW was released it blew me away. It was perhaps not the best MMO but for me it was by far the best game, everything else looked clumsy in comparison. I find Black Desert awesome, gorgeous, deep and exciting, I played WoW and loved it. This can not be a coincidence now can it? I also do not have a dog but do have a one year old daughter, I also like yellow more then blue and love chocolate despite being male, we might be onto something here....
Pre WoW, post WoW, what a bunch of nonsense created by some to distinguish themselves.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
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My first graphical MMO was Legends of Kesmai, but my first online multiplayer crpg was Gemstone III, and Sojourn MUD. It's also when I decided that making them was what I wanted to do for a living.
'Sandbox MMO' is a PTSD trigger word for anyone who has the experience to know that anonymous players invariably use a 'sandbox' in the same manner a housecat does.
When your head is stuck in the sand, your ass becomes the only recognizable part of you.
No game is more fun than the one you can't play, and no game is more boring than one which you've become familiar.
How to become a millionaire:
Start with a billion dollars and make an MMO.
Tabletop RPGs over the internet. There are others out there, but this one is by far the best.
'Sandbox MMO' is a PTSD trigger word for anyone who has the experience to know that anonymous players invariably use a 'sandbox' in the same manner a housecat does.
When your head is stuck in the sand, your ass becomes the only recognizable part of you.
No game is more fun than the one you can't play, and no game is more boring than one which you've become familiar.
How to become a millionaire:
Start with a billion dollars and make an MMO.