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DOZer you are one well known person lol!
Mikey0114
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DOZer im talking to David Bowmen...it seems you are really well known person in Horizons Community
Well very infamous is the word lol! Its unbelievable how many ppl know who you are!!
Omg its so funny too, I think they are planning on holding you responsible for Tulga Games dmged reputation!
Tulga is going to hold you liable for slanderous damage and Take action!...(this is a joke!...nothing to do with Tulga!)
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LOL been said before. They can't do anything to me for stating the truth. They would have to prove I actually did something to make the game run bad. That my friend is all on there heads. As far as my free speech I never said anything that wasn't true about their game.
Also lets say they do it they best prove it big time because when they don't I will own HZ and TulgAE.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee
Lol don't worry it was just a joke they made up! People on the channel of horizons (not the devs or Tulga...they had nothing to do with that) were talking about what a good idea it would be to get a lawyer to write an official letter stating that they will take u up to court for all the forums and fan sites of HZ u have uproared.
I couldn't believe that the whole channel new your name!!!! and ofcourse very bad feedback..and don't worry I already let them know your with us at MMORPG.com with us :P They feel sorry for us though! They said that its such hell to bair such a person :P
But u impressed me how well known u r!! lol
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee
I think it is part of why this game has a small town/private school feel to it: the interaction between the palyerbase and the designers/developers.
Another analogy: this is not a big United Airlines 747 run by a major corporation and men in suits, with stale day old dinner rolls and disappointing coffee. It is more like Harrison Ford in the first Star Wars flick, keeping his ship going because he knows every inch of it, and taking it on great adventures that a big passenger jet flying from New York to Los Angeles would never see.
Yet another: It is off-Broadway real and complex rather than on-Broadway superficial hype.
It's an acquired taste, and more and more people are acquiring it.
They also say companies that are in trouble and have bad products will send people that work for them to spread falsehoods about the game. Hmm a lot like Mourning was doing. Yep I dare say there is a connection to both Mourning and TulgAE on how they do things.
Yep the company also is so great they will only say things in irc so nothing can be put in print and held against them. This really shows a very unprofessional aspect to TulgAE. But what the heck if the game was really that great the numbers in pops would be better.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee
DB is fixing the game? You are kidding right? If anything it is people like Amon and other devs that are fixing the game. Maybe if you guys knew DB as long as I have you may really have some kind of clue. Heck he was even on my old msn when we were in ac2 beta. I know exactly what happened with him at Turbine and why he was fired. But you keep thinking he is this great guy. More power to you.
I think it is crazy to rip off people for large sum of money. But I would never call people names, guess that just makes me better and wiser.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee
Just to clarify, no one from Tulga said anything about lawyers or letters concerning Dozer. The idea (joke) was brought up by a player and discussed by other players, not Tulga.
LexDivinia
"Pain is inevitable. Suffering is optional."
LOL believe me I know exactly what DB, Amon and others have said to me and about me. Heck I have pm's to prove it.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee
Thanks Mikey, I appreciate the quick clarification!
Don't want to add anymore fuel to the fire than is already there, LOL.
LexDivinia
"Pain is inevitable. Suffering is optional."
I'll tell you is baffling me. The lack of any community support. DOZer does bring up a good point, the populations and ratings should be getting better. Now just based on the times I play, I would think the populations are doing a bit better. There are a lot of new poeple running around. The game did grab alittle attention a few weeks ago and thats cooling off. We will have to see if there is an actual increase in subscribers.
However, the current community has/is doing a POOR (lower then POOR) job of speaking up about the game and its improvements. No fan sites, forums all dead, review is the same here on MMORPG. (6.6). Very few people have even bothered to do a fast review on the game. There are only a total (as of this post) of 304 TOTAL reviews for Horizons. Since June 16 there have been less then 10 reviews done, 2 of which are spoken for by me and DOZer.
I think (IMHO) the community needs to unseat its collective thumb from their Butts and start speaking up. I'm not going to be the Horizons Crusader. All I see is the same 5 or 6 people here posting about the game. I was arguing for the game quite a bit, then I notice it was only me and a few others for weeks. sad, sad, sad.
Truth be known, I'll get bored with it and move on.... If DOZer ever gave up the game would surely die
as the other 3 or 4 people who normal post here wouldn't have anyone to argue with.
Now thats SAD but true.
See there is a good reason for this. TulgAE can't afford to move too fast. The servers just won't be able to handle a big increase in subs. If they did get a good 1000 people at one time they would need to increase server performance and they just can't afford that yet. If they wouldn't then you will start to see the exact same login, blob problems. They need a new engine to fix these issues and that is a good year to two years away if that. Like I said it isn't a big secret HZ is in trouble.
Also if it was becasue of me that pops are going up then thats great I hope another 1000 hit it right away. I want to see some great old server crashes. If they don't crash or have issues then I just might sign back up.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee
I'm not sure how much to expect though. If WoW has 2.5 million players, then it has 250 times as many players as the 10k that TG now claims. If the same percentage of players are active on forums in the two games, you'd expect to see 250 times more post activity in WoW than in HZ.
The official forums at community.istaria.com seem just about as active as they should be. I compare them to what I was used to at CoH, which has about 150 k Players (15 times as many as HZ) and it does seem like there is about 15 times as much activity at the CoH forums as there is at the HZ ones.
I do agree though that it would be nice for TG and the players to "sell" the game more than they do. On the other hand, the game is picking up new players at a good rate now, and growing slowly. Maybe that's good enough.
I subscribed here today to clarify a comment. Before the link for this thread was posted in mIRC, I had never even heard of the site. I asked a few of my guildies and they had not heard of it either. We were each turned onto the game by friends or loved ones... not because of what a forum said.
I used to post regularly on tazoon.com, but stopped because of flamers. I would rather spend my time playing the game and turning other people onto it in my own ways rather than bickering pointlessly about the same gripes over and over again with trolls who have nothing better to than badmouth something that others enjoy.
I do agree however, that there should be more reviews and comments made about the game... and now that I know there is a place to do that, I will tell others about it as well.
LexDivinia
"Pain is inevitable. Suffering is optional."
Lo Lex,
Wow, this site is responsible for all the new interest in Horizons (myself included) see the article they posted about 2 or 3 weeks ago in the headlines on the frontpage no less. (Horizons Revisited) I even posted a short message on Istaria.com forums a few weeks ago also naming MMORPG.com as a good place to help boost the game. (under the same name, I think 2 people replied)
See there is a good reason for this. TulgAE can't afford to move too fast. The servers just won't be able to handle a big increase in subs. If they did get a good 1000 people at one time they would need to increase server performance and they just can't afford that yet. If they wouldn't then you will start to see the exact same login, blob problems. They need a new engine to fix these issues and that is a good year to two years away if that. Like I said it isn't a big secret HZ is in trouble.
Also if it was becasue of me that pops are going up then thats great I hope another 1000 hit it right away. I want to see some great old server crashes. If they don't crash or have issues then I just might sign back up.
You would just love to see this wonderful little game fail. Pretty sad, you I mean. Did you ever post positively about any game? Ever?
Do you ever lose sleep at night over the fact that you are trying to hurt real people who work long days and nights making this game better and better? Real people that need to put food on the table that are hurt because of your year and a half old facts and rhetoric and venom? And do you realize that it is a GAME and not some enemy of yours? Do you realize that this has changed YOU into a negative creep? Do you see what you have become? Do you realize the ill feelings that good honest people have toward you? Do you realize that you have become a bad person over some game?
Take some time away from these types of places, it will do you a world of good. Let some sunlight in that squirming brain of yours, Mrs. Haversham. I say this because whether or not you believe me, after all the B.S. I do care about you as a human being.
I'm sure at one time you were a happy gamer who posted constructively about games you liked. But because of David Bowman or Horizons or Society in general those times have long since gone. You now are the Dr. Kevorkian of MMORPG.com.
And the sad thing is, you won't go back and see just how much this charming game has improved! You seem to be very intelligent, yet you won't go and see how all the things you keep complaining about have been fixed? Add the two up, it equals stupid!
You have said time and time again you were done with this game and this forum. Those were all lies, I guess? Your sick man.
I wonder can you ever post without attacking the poster?
Sorry but the game engine is still the same one they had at release. They added a little content and I do mean a little the rest is all just fluff. Now you can keep telling people and try and say there is no lag issues but I am sorry this just isn't true and yes I have played the game.
I find it funny how you keep posting about how great the game is but haven't played it in over 7 days.
By the way my life is great and I have a great life with many firends and I have never had to rip people off and lie to them like DB has,
You have a great day now and please don't worry about me I do just great.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee
not such a joke once you realize these people are actually serious. Probably getting advice from their so called lawyer friend fanboi type
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I just had to laugh at the notion that someone could be sued for how bad a game is doing. The only people that could be realistically sued are the devs themselves. Considering what this now stagnant industry has gotten away with I'm surprised it hasen't happened yet
. In a country where someone can be sued for hot coffee and all ....
Anyway as to the games rating here...
umm it isn't better than what its been given. Tulga has a very long way to go before the game could live up to even MMORPG's rating.
To many bugs, performance is still lacking when compared to other games that have been out for a long a time AND THAT HAVE BEEN just released. Not enough content and no clear direction and vision for the game. The most I would give Horizons at this time is a 7 and thats being generous. As far as people not speaking up ? there are maybe 10,000 to 15,000 people playing the game world wide. In an industry where there are 10's of millions of players you figure the math there
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No the current rating is about spot dead on.
D0zer's statements are usually distorted and overhyped, but based on a core grain of truth. He does totally fabricate some statements, but nothing that I would consider clearly actionable. TG would also have to demonstrate that D0zer's posts have damaged them in some way. While I think that question could be argued successfully, I don't think that it would be worth it for TG to try.
I was also in IRC during this discussion, and there was never any serious discussion of legal action. For one thing, in order to cause any kind of damage to TG, D0zer would have to be taken seriously by a large number of people and generally be considered credable. Anyone doing a search for his posts will discover that all he does is trash talk a number of different games. The volume of posts he generates obviously precludes him actually playing any games, and who is going to take the statements of a full-time forum troll seriously?
No employer is going to put up with someone spending their working hours posting in MMO forums. So, either D0zer is unemployed and has nothing better to do, or he's being paid to trash talk games.
Offhand, I'd rather admit to being paid to troll full time than admit to trolling full time due to lack of anything better to do.
Guildleader, Mithril Council, Chaos
Bah - duplicate post.
Guildleader, Mithril Council, Chaos
Nope just a gamer that is sick of games being released either unfinished or when released it is nothing like it states on box. Three games fit this, AC2, HZ, and of course Mourning.
Wow you have no clue what I do in life. But i have stated a number of times why I do this. But thank you for allowing me to once again explain why I do it.
Games that are great don't need to be complained about, they just need to be played.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee
Actually there is always something to complain about as no game is perfect. Just the same as there is always a need to defend games because people will make crap up and try to spread it. People complain about and defend even the titans WoW and EQ2. Partially this comes down to peoples personal likes and dislikes and people love to argue about opinions.
In my opinion, TG would have been better off holding off on their recent marketing blitz until AROP and maybe Lairs (both promised for Dec 04) were present in game. I personally feel advertising before then was a stupid move because they are inviting people back to play a game with a disappointed and agro playerbase.
The game has its good points and bad points. Some people choose to focus on the bad and others the good, some are even inbetween. My self I tend to play hz for the people which has little or nothing to do with the game itself.
I enjoy hunting, however in horizons it sucks it is rarely rewarding unless you hunt WA mobs then you might get a blighted item that may or may not be for your class and may or may not be any good. You can also have a possibility of getting tech comps which are useful and good and trinket which are consumable and I personally like for their chaotic nature. There have also recently been the addition of set items and rare items but I have yet to get one I hope they expand upon these in the future so their are sets/items at all tiers with different items/effects.
Performance wise I have no problem most of the time, after 15-20 ports It slows down but for the most part it is good. I know not everyone is as lucky as me and I do hope in a years time they have a new and better client and everyone can have decent experience but I wont get my hopes up until I see it.
Since the start of the year TG have made many changes and additions to the world on top of what was made at the start with plans to transform other areas as they have done with lesser aradoth recently it will be great to see how that unfolds and the game grow as more content is added.
On the topic of D0Zer I admire his persistance even if I don't agree with him at all. He is as much a member of the community as anyone else who posts on HZ even if it is negative and sometimes dated or fabricated. He has probably earn't horizons a few subs as well because he does tell people to try the game. His irrational (imo) and persistant bashing of the game is a constant source of entertainment for myself but I wonder what drives him to be so persistant?
I think I already answered why I attack HZ so much. Now as for the post you just made it is a breath of fresh air to finally hear you state the problems with the game. But I really must point out that you should reread a lot of what you said and realize you just discribed a game in beta. Which is why I compare it to Mourning.
I also thought the whole point of the game was the WA attacking destroying and then fighting them off and rebuilding. That concept alone made me sign up right away for beta and retail. But without things like collision detection (which is in game just turned off (they say)) you will never make that work. I won't even get into the group thing and mobs only attacking the lowest level in group and no way to really arrgo them off the person.
Crafting can be fun but as time goes on this just gets boring. Also what is the point of allowing every person in game to get to top level in all schools? There should be a cap on how many you can learn and really have to work with others. As far as the community goes, I have seen both good and bad just like in every other game. Yes even now, and you can see it on community site if you just read between lines. Things need to be said carefully there or it can be removed fast. No I do not mean just moved to rants.
As for dragons yes they can be cool but flying can only be cool for so long. Also the whole lair and arop thing is really not going to help the game. How long can these two things really keep the peoples interest until they end up wanting more. I have yet to see the devs state what will be after that to make the game exciting for dragons. Also let us not forget some schools are still unfinished and people have been yelling for these to get finished for awhile now.
The game had promise but after this long the game is still in beta and should not be charging people to help test it and help the developers come up with ideas on how to make game better. Sad but true there are way more problems with this game than anything that is really good about it. Funny the only thing every person that plays it can say the community is great. Again that does not make a game and no it is not entirely true when they state it. Sometimes it does really look like the devs, friends, and familys are the ones attempting to put a good light on this game.
But over all yes try the game (I did a number of times) and you may just see what I state is true.
You all have a great day. Evilkarl thanks for at least speaking both sides on the game even if I do not agree with everything you stated.
Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.
Bruce Lee